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| Weekly Discussion: 1/11-15; R.I.P. Mickey Horton | |
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| AlisonLou | Jan 14 2010, 12:46 AM Post #261 |
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Oh Bo and Hope's marriage is far from over! Tomorrows eppy should clear that up. |
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| Matt | Jan 14 2010, 01:02 AM Post #262 |
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Dare I say that today's episode was Emmy reel grade for Kristian? As much as it was a very showy, scenery chewing scene, there were still little nuances. I'm so glad Kenny mentioned Hope's "pace of anger" because that played *so* real to me since I'm well known among my friends to be a pacer -- especially went I'm angry or anxious. I'll wear a hole in the carpet pacing back and forth. Hope was so tense and so brimming with raw emotion that she couldn't stand still. IMO, the Hope/Carly/Bo scenes today are scenes that are going to be talked about in the annals of great DAYS scenes for years to come. |
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| Kenny | Jan 14 2010, 01:12 AM Post #263 |
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Probably so. The only thing that would've made it better is if she had actually cried in that last scene. She certainly looked like she was heartbroken and in agony, but I looked closely and there wasn't a single tear she managed to squeeze out. Her anger/fury scenes were the most impressive. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Jan 14 2010, 01:16 AM Post #264 |
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I feel the same and agree that it was a nuanced performance. I've felt KA has been great since Ciara's kidnapping but the further we get into this story the more range I see from her. I've never seen her perform like this. I think alot of it is the material. It's not gimmicky or "out there." It's real. No brain chips or anything like that. It's just real emotion and she is able to just throw herself into the material and run with it. I also think it helps that she may be viewing this from Hope's perspective in regards to how much of a threat Carly is. I think today would more then quality as an Emmy reel for her (although I think she will have plenty more quality episodes to come). This episode was basically a showcase for her as her whole world fell apart. That scene where she broke down after Bo left and fell into the seat right next to the picture of Mickey and Maggie was a wonderful scene. It tied nicely to yesterday's scene when she returned to Maggie's and found the kitchen empty. She just sat down and you could just see her on the verge of a breakdown. She lost her Uncle and her husband. Her marriage may be over. Not to mention she humiliated herself in front of friends and family as a result of what happened with Carly and Bo. It's all just so layered and real. It almost makes you feel uncomfortable at times because you feel like your watching real people go at it and that maybe you should no longer watch and should leave because it's not your business. That is just good drama. This is the kind of stuff I wanted from Days for so long but the supercouple junk held it all up. They were never willing to go this far before and now they are and it's fantastic. You really believe this is it for Bo and Hope and that is the kind of belief you need to make people care. You need that suspense for people to invest. If people don't believe it, there is no reason for them to watch if they know a reunion is inevitable. And I will say it again...they need to keep Doug and Julie around. Hope needs a support system. Justin is not enough. She needs family and/or a friend. That is why Jennifer would be a nice addition to given her relationships to both Carly and Hope but I would still think Hope would need another friend to because Jennifer may be a little torn. Melissa could do that but that would be hard to make work. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Jan 14 2010, 01:18 AM Post #265 |
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Kristian has been very open about having issues with crying scenes. I remember she talked about that during the Zack story. It takes awhile for her to cry. I did see her nearly on the verge in that scene with Doug and in that scene in the living room after Bo left. You can see it building in her eyes but it's difficult for her and, if she does manage to get some out, sometimes you can barely see the tears because of her face and the lighting. |
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| Kenny | Jan 14 2010, 01:18 AM Post #266 |
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LoL. That's how I felt watching today's episode. I was like, "Um... should I be watching this?" |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Jan 14 2010, 01:21 AM Post #267 |
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And that is a good thing. The material needs to make you feel something and I think it accomplished what it was intended to. Hopefully, this is just the start of all the good drama. |
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| AlisonLou | Jan 14 2010, 01:22 AM Post #268 |
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Spoiler: click to toggle That's probably what Carly was looking at on Bo's laptop.
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| bobbilou | Jan 14 2010, 01:32 AM Post #269 |
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not sure if this comment relates to mine... but it's funny because I meant to say that that's another reason why Bo is being unfair to Carly, because really there's no way Bo and Hope are over. even the most devout bo and carly fans don't have too many illusions about that!! Bo and Hope have been together since they were kids, and these writers fancy them to be just like Mickey and Maggie. This is just a rough patch. |
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| bobbilou | Jan 14 2010, 01:33 AM Post #270 |
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I disagree. I thought she played it pitch perfect. |
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| Kenny | Jan 14 2010, 01:42 AM Post #271 |
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I'm not saying she did a bad job. I'm just saying I wish she could've squeezed out a few tears at the end. |
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| bobbilou | Jan 14 2010, 01:49 AM Post #272 |
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lol. ya. and my reply to you was before I read that Kristian has talked about not being good at crying. I see your point. When I was watching, I was right there with her, not thinking anything about tears; which is why I feel she got it bang on, because I didn't get pulled out of it to critique her lack of tears. you're just a much better critic than I am! |
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| Kenny | Jan 14 2010, 01:59 AM Post #273 |
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I guess, LoL. I tend to watch the show more as a critic than a viewer anyway these days. I pay more attention to the acting/wardrobe/lighting/makeup/etc. than anything else when I tune in. Very rarely do I actually get pulled in enough to forget that this is all a (cheap) production, LoL. |
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| ladyofthelake | Jan 14 2010, 06:54 AM Post #274 |
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You'd be amazed how many adults want to revert back to their childhood behaviors and the need to be comforted by parents or parental "proxies" when under extreme emotional distress. You have to remember she just lost a relative she probably considered a second father AND she just found out her husband boffed another woman. I don't think it's unusual at all. It's actually a human reaction. It's not immature at all to be upset. On the contrary, if she kept stuff bottled up and was UNEMOTIONAL, that's pretty dang unhealthy. Really, the only immature behavior she has exhibited is her demands that Bo change and that Bo was always at fault. Lately, her impression of that has seemed to slowly change, and she's coming to the painful realization that her behaviors have contributed to this. I have seen adults in their 40s and beyond distribute MUCH more immature behavior than this. ;) |
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| six | Jan 14 2010, 08:03 AM Post #275 |
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It's definitely normal to be upset. At the same time, though, I think soaps over do the "daddy's little girl" thing to the extreme. I don't think there's a non fatherless woman on Days who doesn't completely lose it in a crisis when "daddy" or in (Stephanie's case "Papa") shows up, except Nicole, with good reason. |
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| Harmony233 | Jan 14 2010, 08:41 AM Post #276 |
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I wish they would give Carly a friend besides Bo and Daniel.But it doesn't look like that will happen anytime soon. |
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| karmakatch63 | Jan 14 2010, 10:12 AM Post #277 |
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I have one Hope like cousin. It's always about her. And HER pain. It's like no one was in as much pain as her. And of course, during the death of one of the uncles, she was in the middle of her second divorce, and so then HER pain was much more intense than the rest of us (her parents sort of told us that..). That is what I saw in Hope. HER feelings come first. When she left BO it was all about what SHE felt. Bo's feelings did not matter. When she finally brought Ciara back, and Bo was excited that they home, Hope pulled another drama queen act..."no I'm not ready." Again, disregarding Ciara and Bo's feelings and needs. NOW, when she arrived at Maggie's and saw Carly, as she said to Bo, something to the affect of "totally not noticing anyone else, forgetting others were there....." Who does that? Who throws temper tantrums in public to begin with; let alone in front of your grieving family. Hope was not reverting back to being a child. Hope was being Hope, a spoiled and over indulged person who never moved past that because her family encourages it, including Bo. Bo has enabled Hope as much as Doug and Julie. In a lot of ways, Hope reminds me of young Julie who was also a drama queen, who did not care who she hurt. Doug, the former con man, has no room to judge either. But hey, it's the Hortons. Being judgmental is their thing, except for wonderful, loving, non judgmental Alice. I often in the 80s, wanted to see a scene where Alice confronted her judgmental children and grandchildren and screamed "WHO ARE YOU, and what right do any of you have to judge anyone else???" Anyway, the scene was so well acted. Clearly KA gets Hope's spoiled brat side and she played it beautifully. KA is so much better as the vixen than as the sainted, victimized Marlena clone. CC was wonderful too as the beaten down woman who still managed to find some spine to not let Hope play the victim card on her. |
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| Matt | Jan 14 2010, 01:18 PM Post #278 |
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I have to laugh at Melissa meeting Stephanie considering that Melissa was once arrested for attempted murder for trying to poison Stephanie's mother Kayla (Melissa was innocent although she was in love with Jack who was married to Kayla at the time). |
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| lysie | Jan 14 2010, 02:09 PM Post #279 |
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So...I'm admittedly behind and have been watching the show kind of jumbled (I plan to catch up in order, completely on Sunday), but do we know why Lawrence thought Carly would never find Melanie? She didn't seem to have too much trouble. Or is she supposed to be looking for something else...because she isn't. |
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| Keith | Jan 14 2010, 02:14 PM Post #280 |
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Kind of meh to the scenes Melissa did have. I, too, thought it was interesting with her meeting Stephanie like that. Too bad Lisa Trusel can't make a more permanenet return to the canvas as Melissa. I guess I'd take a full-time recast Sarah instead, just to have another freakin' Horton. I was not fond of the short speaking time for every person who spoke. Loved Julie's, but we only got the end of what was supposedly a longer speech. I know it wasn't SSH at the time, but I would've killed for a flashback to her shoplifting in the first few episodes of the series and showing Mickey and Tom together. I think it also would have been a good time, since they can't use Reid in scenes, to show flashbacks with Alice and her son, too. Big WTF to Hope making her memorial all about a daughter who barely knew Mickey. I was very disappointed that Melissa and Hope didn't acknowledge each other considering their relationship back in the 80's. Hope, Melissa, and Jennifer were the best of cousins! But nothing. Would have been nice to see some flashbacks to the St. Valentine's Day double wedding between Melissa/Peter and Mickey/Maggie. Melissa's screen time just didn't feel right. Of course, the load of the flashbacks we did get and Maggie talking about meeting Mickey on the farm. Those were wonderful. It just felt like the least they could have done for a legacy character. And I've been a big supporter of this storyline so far. It was so good to see John Clarke on-screen again, even if it was only through flashbacks. Meanwhile, I love that Hope put aside her anger at Bo for the family. I also loved that Vivian now thinks Mia is a Manning. Please, Viv, do us all a favor and kill her. Then you can find out that it was really Melanie and you made a mistake. Whoops! Doooooo it. I will say, I did like the Nathan scenes today for the most part. They're more obviously setting up Melanie/Nathan, and I will take it, if for Chrissake's the girl is not so fickle once that relationship is blossoming. I prefer them together over Philip/Melanie, but she can't lust after the one when she's with the other. That's gotten old. I LOL-ed when Melissa mistook Stephanie for Melanie. Trusel looked great with the long hair and even with a little weight. She seemed heavier in the face than she used to be, but it's nice to see that touch of realism and she's still gorgeous. Loved the jail stuff...Mickey's last minute attempt to clean his grandson's record and Melissa finding his son did time. Still want to know if his father is anyone of consequence, like Pete or some other relationship we saw on screen, or if its just this apparent random marriage that Melissa has off-screen. |
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