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Weekly Discussion: 1/11-15; R.I.P. Mickey Horton
Topic Started: Jan 9 2010, 06:12 PM (18,643 Views)
kitkat
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Okay here's my assessment of today, Hope's sadness was very moving today, except for one thing. She talked about the last funeral they were at and Bo and Hope holding each other, Zack's funeral, but wasn't the last funeral Grace's? How soon we forget... And Vivian and that speech about Carly, Lawrence, and her bastard daughter. I felt like she was Abraham Lincoln, "Four score and seven years ago, Carly had an affair on my perfect nephew....." I nearly vomited 3 times with EJ talking to the Hortons, specially about them supporting him in his time of ..... here comes the vomit....Pain. PS, James... EJ... whatever stick with those Black and white suits... most of the time I want to rip his suits off and put him in Jeans and a regular shirt, specially those pink and grey numbers... Today, he was looking good. And Rafe had a warrant or permission to be there, whatever. So he didn't just enter in of his own sneakiness.
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Jan 14 2010, 02:46 PM
Okay here's my assessment of today, Hope's sadness was very moving today, except for one thing. She talked about the last funeral they were at and Bo and Hope holding each other, Zack's funeral, but wasn't the last funeral Grace's? How soon we forget... And Vivian and that speech about Carly, Lawrence, and her bastard daughter. I felt like she was Abraham Lincoln, "Four score and seven years ago, Carly had an affair on my perfect nephew....." I nearly vomited 3 times with EJ talking to the Hortons, specially about them supporting him in his time of ..... here comes the vomit....Pain. PS, James... EJ... whatever stick with those Black and white suits... most of the time I want to rip his suits off and put him in Jeans and a regular shirt, specially those pink and grey numbers... Today, he was looking good. And Rafe had a warrant or permission to be there, whatever. So he didn't just enter in of his own sneakiness.
I thought Hope said she was remembering the last funeral she was at without Bo by her side (which would have been Zack's).
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Loved the flashback to Maggie and Mickey's first scene. OMG...I didn't watch at the time, but the sets and hair/makeup/wardrobe were so cool. Loved the other flashback scenes too. Nice, short eulogies. Good to hear Hope admit a little fault with Bo...although Bo seems a bit checked out of it all.

Can't believe that EJ talked about first coming to town and nobody wanted to give him the time of day because he was a Dimera...that wasn't why people didn't give you the time of day, dumbass, but anyways...I think that scene was thrown in there to show how absolutely unremorseful EJ is when it comes to keeping Sydney.
Loved EJ's attitude with Rafe too...such a smug ass! Nice to see Stefano again...loved him smoking the cigar.

I like Nathan more and more recently. If I were Stephanie, I'd be pissed if he said that he hoped one day he could find a love like Mickey found with Maggie...guess she ain't the one for him. I don't know if I want him with Melanie as more and more, I dislike Melanie. Stephanie too.
I HATE Melanie's little attitude toward Carly with a passion. If she is pissed that Carly is messing with all of these guys, then the pot needs to stop calling the kettle black. Mel is one of the most fickle on the show right now.

Another good show!
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I couldn't help but chuckle when Julie mentioned how Mickey would stand by her when she was younger and got into trouble -- and then mentioned that it was a lot. Lord, there's an understatement if I've ever heard one. :P
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I think I would like Mel's attitude towards Carly if it was being played as a bad chemistry mix. The show is making it seem like Carly did something huge to Mel and she's got a grudge and it makes no sense. Sometimes, people just don't like each other and there's no reason for it.
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Why is Rafe always shown bursting, or slipping into people's homes?

I guess they did the best they could with the Mickey situation, considering how many people should've been at the church but wouldn't have been, but I wish they'd done a funeral for him. He and Tony lost out. I'd also hoped to see more flashbacks, besides a bunch of clips of Maggie kissing, not that those weren't sweet. Having everyone at the house remember him through a flashback would've been nice. Days should keep Melissa if possible. Nathan should have his mom.

Hope finally took some blame for the situation. Good for her.

Good job to whoever remembered that EJ worked for Mickey. A few months ago, that never would've occurred to them.

Was Lucas there? I jut realized that I don't remember seeing him.

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Great episodes this week!

Suzanne Rogers is outstanding! I love the scenes between Melanie and Maggie. I love their relationship. DAYS is finally capitalizing on SR and Maggie - making her the new Marlena or Alice. I really never thought the day would come. I am so glad it has!

And Reckell's still got it - DAYUM, he is so hot!
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Jan 14 2010, 03:45 PM
Why is Rafe always shown bursting, or slipping into people's homes?

I guess they did the best they could with the Mickey situation, considering how many people should've been at the church but wouldn't have been, but I wish they'd done a funeral for him. He and Tony lost out. I'd also hoped to see more flashbacks, besides a bunch of clips of Maggie kissing, not that those weren't sweet. Having everyone at the house remember him through a flashback would've been nice. Days should keep Melissa if possible. Nathan should have his mom.

Hope finally took some blame for the situation. Good for her.

Good job to whoever remembered that EJ worked for Mickey. A few months ago, that never would've occurred to them.

Was Lucas there? I jut realized that I don't remember seeing him.

lucas was not there
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Jan 14 2010, 02:46 PM
Okay here's my assessment of today, Hope's sadness was very moving today, except for one thing. She talked about the last funeral they were at and Bo and Hope holding each other, Zack's funeral, but wasn't the last funeral Grace's? How soon we forget... And Vivian and that speech about Carly, Lawrence, and her bastard daughter. I felt like she was Abraham Lincoln, "Four score and seven years ago, Carly had an affair on my perfect nephew....." I nearly vomited 3 times with EJ talking to the Hortons, specially about them supporting him in his time of ..... here comes the vomit....Pain. PS, James... EJ... whatever stick with those Black and white suits... most of the time I want to rip his suits off and put him in Jeans and a regular shirt, specially those pink and grey numbers... Today, he was looking good. And Rafe had a warrant or permission to be there, whatever. So he didn't just enter in of his own sneakiness.
I thought the same thing. Bo and Hope were there for each other at Grace's funeral. And loving and supportive and remembering losing Zach. So that scene was a bit contrived for me.
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Jan 14 2010, 02:46 PM
Okay here's my assessment of today, Hope's sadness was very moving today, except for one thing. She talked about the last funeral they were at and Bo and Hope holding each other, Zack's funeral, but wasn't the last funeral Grace's? How soon we forget... And Vivian and that speech about Carly, Lawrence, and her bastard daughter. I felt like she was Abraham Lincoln, "Four score and seven years ago, Carly had an affair on my perfect nephew....." I nearly vomited 3 times with EJ talking to the Hortons, specially about them supporting him in his time of ..... here comes the vomit....Pain. PS, James... EJ... whatever stick with those Black and white suits... most of the time I want to rip his suits off and put him in Jeans and a regular shirt, specially those pink and grey numbers... Today, he was looking good. And Rafe had a warrant or permission to be there, whatever. So he didn't just enter in of his own sneakiness.
I thought the same thing. Bo and Hope were there for each other at Grace's funeral. And loving and supportive and remembering losing Zach. So that scene was a bit contrived for me.
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Jan 14 2010, 04:08 PM
kitkat
Jan 14 2010, 02:46 PM
Okay here's my assessment of today, Hope's sadness was very moving today, except for one thing. She talked about the last funeral they were at and Bo and Hope holding each other, Zack's funeral, but wasn't the last funeral Grace's? How soon we forget... And Vivian and that speech about Carly, Lawrence, and her bastard daughter. I felt like she was Abraham Lincoln, "Four score and seven years ago, Carly had an affair on my perfect nephew....." I nearly vomited 3 times with EJ talking to the Hortons, specially about them supporting him in his time of ..... here comes the vomit....Pain. PS, James... EJ... whatever stick with those Black and white suits... most of the time I want to rip his suits off and put him in Jeans and a regular shirt, specially those pink and grey numbers... Today, he was looking good. And Rafe had a warrant or permission to be there, whatever. So he didn't just enter in of his own sneakiness.
I thought the same thing. Bo and Hope were there for each other at Grace's funeral. And loving and supportive and remembering losing Zach. So that scene was a bit contrived for me.
Thanks, Roselm. That's kind of weird, but I guess they're easing him out.

Jam is right. She said the last funeral that she didn't have him to lean on.
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Jan 14 2010, 03:43 PM
I think I would like Mel's attitude towards Carly if it was being played as a bad chemistry mix. The show is making it seem like Carly did something huge to Mel and she's got a grudge and it makes no sense. Sometimes, people just don't like each other and there's no reason for it.
Carly did mention at the end today that she wasn't sure if it was instinctual on Melanie's part as to her hatred of her. I think that could be but also Melanie is the type of character who would be put off by the way Carly has been around her. Their first meeting had Carly spill Carly on her and then Carly almost moved in to Maggie's. She thinks the woman is some sort of wackjob and now she sees her making things worse for Maggie and her family so I can understand why Melanie is put off by Carly.

I do want to say I agree with your whole post about today's episode. Now, before I go off and criticize I want to note that I am taking all factors into account. I fully understand why the show took the approach it did having no funeral and having most of the MIA relatives elsewhere in the house. I like that we at least got mentions of Bill, Marie, Alice (I enjoyed the little bit of Bill checking Alice's blood pressure and Bo having to bring medication for her), and Sarah being in the den and later waiting in the car. If I can't see them, that is the next best thing. I realize they had issues to deal with. They would've had to recast Bill, Sarah and Tommy (more on that later). There is no guarantee you can get Jaime Lyn Bauer, Marie Cheathem, etc to return. It doesn't even bother me that we didn't get a huge memorial because it would've worked awful at the Church given all the absences and the character of Mickey is one the audience only knows through current characters for the most part so I understand why they went with no funeral and only gave us what they gave us. SR was right in that many may not know who he is or even care. I'm disappointed because the show should've just killed Mickey off when John Clarke left. It would've been better. I will take it and I've been very pleased with the death and fallout. I figured they would handle that well. I just knew the memorial would be difficult and I guess they handled it as best they could under the circumstances. We did get some nice scenes with the eulogies, good Melissa/Nathan and Melissa/Maggie stuff, and some good flashbacks, especially in the last scene which had me in tears (I haven't seen some of that since I took a look back at my grandmother's old tapes years ago). I knew there was no way they could do this up the way it should be done. I mean, you don't even have Alice. I guess they did the best they can do.

Now, here are my issues with the episode. Just to touch on Keith's points...they really dropped the ball with Melissa not having any scene with Hope. I also hated that we didn't even get flashbacks of Mickey and Melissa. The eulogies were nice but way too too short. I wouldn't have minded Hope's if it were longer but keeping it just about Ciara was dumb. Melissa's was fine but should've been longer. I liked Melanie's little speech and, like Hope's, I wouldn't have minded most of it being about Maggie (I ove their relationship and that was a moment where Molly Burnett was clearly talking about her love for Suzanne Rogers so it was very personal) had we heard some other stuff about Mickey from her like we did on Monday's episode. I am pissed that Tommy once again doesn't seem to be mentioned. I remember them screwing that up at Tom's funeral in 1994 too. I did like Doug's toast. He always does stuff like that and I do wish Doug and Julie would stick around beyond this.

I also would've liked to see some flashbacks beyond just Mickey and Maggie together. As I said, they made me cry but how about some flashbacks of past Christmas gatherings? The biggest WTF was that we didn't get ONE damn Alice/Mickey flashback. I know you don't have Alice but that is BS.

Actually, hold up, I take that back, the biggest WTF was WHERE THE HELL WERE LUCAS AND WILL?! You expect me to believe that they didn't come back to that house after the funeral?! Stupid. They played Lucas so wonderfully the past two days only to drop the ball now. The fact that Will never actually even had scenes at the Horton House this week beyond that scene with Mia yesterday at the end is laughable. I know Lucas is nearly out the door but Will is a character they clearly want for the future and not having him in scenes with his family at times like this kills his development. Hell, he barely is involved in anything in regards to Sami and co. and now we get no scenes of him around the Horton's? Now THAT is crap writing.

Alot of the complaints I have tie into the biggest issue I had with today's episode...WAS IT REALLY FUCKING NECESSARY TO HAVE ARIANNA GET FUCKING ATTACKED TODAY?! DID WE REALLY NEED THE EJ/STEFANO/RAFE/ANNA STUFF TODAY?! Sorry about the caps but I don't get pissed too often with this show but that just annoyed me. I take no issue with the Carly/Vivian/Victor stuff because it tied in with what was going on given Melanie and Mia went to the hospital to drop off flowers and we got comments from them about how nice it was to get out of Maggie's given how difficult things are (By the way, I like that we are finally getting Melanie/Mia scenes and enjoyed their scenes with Carly and Vivian. Their reactions to Vivian were priceless). I will say again that I get that Mickey is not a character many in the audience may have seen so the attachment may not be there like it was for when John or Shawn Sr died (hence the big funerals they got and the attention, of course it helps that they could bring back just about anyone they needed to for those). I just think the show messed up. I would keep EJ stopping by at the house in there because I liked the mention of EJ and Mickey working together briefly. That whole scene was nice and Hope saying they would pray for Sydney and EJ and Brady's tension was a nice way of acknowledging the ongoing story but it should've been left at that. The other stuff could've waited until tomorrow and more time could've been spent on flashbacks, eulogies, adding Will and Lucas to the episode, etc. I was so annoyed with that. While I did enjoy the Stefano/EJ/Rafe scenes and Anna coming up with a backup plan (that is SO Anna), it was not the day for all that and especially not the day for the Brady/Arianna stuff.

I LOVED the Bo and Hope scenes in the kitchen and the mention of the last funeral (Zack's) she didn't have Bo to lean on. Peter and Kristina rocked that scene. Just seeing Bo and Hope breakdown like that was powerful. Justin was useless today but still nice to have him around. I liked Hope putting her issues aside for the family too.

Vivian and Victor were great. I loved the brief trick the show pulled having Vivian announce Mia as Carly's and then having Carly reveal it to be Melanie. Nice touch with Melanie looking through the photo album. I liked seeing Brady, Hope, Doug, and Julie doing that earlier in the episode too.

Carly recalling the elevator stuff last Friday and then going to use the stairs was pretty hilarious too LOL.

Anyway, it was still an ok episode and, as I said, it wasn't the approach that bothered me. It was the details, which they had been excelling it all week, that they messed up. I was prepared for this. They fallout they handled well as I thought they would but the memorial was a mess in parts as expected. I just look forward to moving on to the rest of the fallout now because I know they will do right by that.

One last thing...kudos to the show for ending on Mickey's picture. Sometimes they won't do that but I'm glad they did and I found it to be major foreshadowing that in the last scene we kept seeing the open champagne bottle and glasses (I think one was empty and one still had some left in it) positioned right in front of Maggie. That last scene with the flashbacks and then Maggie crying in silence before kissing the picture and then leaving was powerful. Nice way to end it.
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Hope and Carly's fight from yesterday was great!

Hope: KEEP YOUR VOICE DOWN! THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS HOUSE!
Carly: STOP! TALKING! OVER! ME!

LOL. Love it.
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Jan 14 2010, 04:45 PM
Carly did mention at the end today that she wasn't sure if it was instinctual on Melanie's part as to her hatred of her. I think that could be but also Melanie is the type of character who would be put off by the way Carly has been around her. Their first meeting had Carly spill Carly on her and then Carly almost moved in to Maggie's. She thinks the woman is some sort of wackjob and now she sees her making things worse for Maggie and her family so I can understand why Melanie is put off by Carly.
I'm glad you understand it, because I certainly don't -- and most people on other boards don't understand it either. I mean, yeah, I can understand why she wouldn't want to be best friends with the woman, and I can understand why she might even be annoyed with her, but the seething hatred? It's a little much. It feels forced because it is forced. Very contrived. Such a lazy, disappointingly expected way to go with the whole "long lost daughter" story.
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I agree that the Melanie/Carly hatred is contrived, but I don't mind. LOL.
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Jan 14 2010, 04:52 PM
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Jan 14 2010, 04:45 PM
Carly did mention at the end today that she wasn't sure if it was instinctual on Melanie's part as to her hatred of her. I think that could be but also Melanie is the type of character who would be put off by the way Carly has been around her. Their first meeting had Carly spill Carly on her and then Carly almost moved in to Maggie's. She thinks the woman is some sort of wackjob and now she sees her making things worse for Maggie and her family so I can understand why Melanie is put off by Carly.
I'm glad you understand it, because I certainly don't -- and most people on other boards don't understand it either. I mean, yeah, I can understand why she wouldn't want to be best friends with the woman, and I can understand why she might even be annoyed with her, but the seething hatred? It's a little much. It feels forced because it is forced. Very contrived. Such a lazy, disappointingly expected way to go with the whole "long lost daughter" story.
But is it hatred? She's been open about not liking her but that is understandable given how they met. Carly is a stranger to her who poured coffee on her (accidentally but given the way Melanie is I can see her still being annoyed with it) and was trying to move into the place she lives in for no reason that she knows of. Now, here Carly is messing with people who are family to Maggie, someone she considers a mother to her. I think she is creeped out by her, especially since Carly seems so concerned about what Melanie thinks of her and seemed to come out of nowhere and now won't get out of their lives.

I don't think it's some deep, resonating hatred. I think it's more of an annoyed, "you creep me out and your messing with people I know" kind of dislike.
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Jan 14 2010, 04:52 PM
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Jan 14 2010, 04:45 PM
Carly did mention at the end today that she wasn't sure if it was instinctual on Melanie's part as to her hatred of her. I think that could be but also Melanie is the type of character who would be put off by the way Carly has been around her. Their first meeting had Carly spill Carly on her and then Carly almost moved in to Maggie's. She thinks the woman is some sort of wackjob and now she sees her making things worse for Maggie and her family so I can understand why Melanie is put off by Carly.
I'm glad you understand it, because I certainly don't -- and most people on other boards don't understand it either. I mean, yeah, I can understand why she wouldn't want to be best friends with the woman, and I can understand why she might even be annoyed with her, but the seething hatred? It's a little much. It feels forced because it is forced. Very contrived. Such a lazy, disappointingly expected way to go with the whole "long lost daughter" story.
IA and Mias attuide baffles me even more than Melanies.I mean Mia hates her because she comforted her and took up for her when Chad called her a slut.Whats up with that?
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Jan 14 2010, 04:57 PM
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Jan 14 2010, 04:52 PM
PhoenixRising05
Jan 14 2010, 04:45 PM
Carly did mention at the end today that she wasn't sure if it was instinctual on Melanie's part as to her hatred of her. I think that could be but also Melanie is the type of character who would be put off by the way Carly has been around her. Their first meeting had Carly spill Carly on her and then Carly almost moved in to Maggie's. She thinks the woman is some sort of wackjob and now she sees her making things worse for Maggie and her family so I can understand why Melanie is put off by Carly.
I'm glad you understand it, because I certainly don't -- and most people on other boards don't understand it either. I mean, yeah, I can understand why she wouldn't want to be best friends with the woman, and I can understand why she might even be annoyed with her, but the seething hatred? It's a little much. It feels forced because it is forced. Very contrived. Such a lazy, disappointingly expected way to go with the whole "long lost daughter" story.
But is it hatred? She's been open about not liking her but that is understandable given how they met. Carly is a stranger to her who poured coffee on her (accidentally but given the way Melanie is I can see her still being annoyed with it) and was trying to move into the place she lives in for no reason that she knows of. Now, here Carly is messing with people who are family to Maggie, someone she considers a mother to her. I think she is creeped out by her, especially since Carly seems so concerned about what Melanie thinks of her and seemed to come out of nowhere and now won't get out of their lives.

I don't think it's some deep, resonating hatred. I think it's more of an annoyed, "you creep me out and your messing with people I know" kind of dislike.
I get the annoyance, but clearly early on she saw that Maggie liked Carly.
Melanie's righteous indignation over Hope and Carly's public spat threw me.
Why would Melanie like Hope at all? Hope has hardly been nice to Melanie. Nor was Bo. But Phillip is Bo's brother, soon to be her b-i-l. Most likely, she would just opt out and not choose sides.....knowing she will soon be part of Bo's family.

Mia's snarkiness to Carly makes no sense at all.

And Melissa bugged me today. Her immediate judgment of Melanie before she even met her seemed odd. I know the Horton's can be quite self righteous but that seemed so off the wall. Then again as of late the Hortons holier-than-thou attitude has really bugged me. I miss my Alice giving them all the "get over yourselves" look she used to give when they were all about trashing young Bo. I mean come on, one brother was a rapist, and mother and daughter (Julie and Addie) had fought over a con man.

The memorials were OK at best. But like most I understand why ....with budgets, we were lucky to get Melissa back.
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Yay! Tim let himself be negative about Days! Haha, very glad to see you agreed with my issue with the details on this episode, especially no Melissa/Hope, Melissa/Mickey flashbacks, Mickey/Alice flashbacks. It just could have been so much better. Oh well, that's what fan fiction is for, am I right?

I also agree that Arianna getting attacked today was unnecessary. I remember thinking why the hell did Brady visit the pub for tow seconds at the beginning? I'm also a little tired of Brady always magically being there. I'd like them to show him doing something else. Even though Brady is a newer character, he was an addict and they played that up late last year with Brady confiding in Maggie, so I would have liked to see him there for her, too.

And, um, wow. This is horrible. I didn't even notice Lucas and Will weren't there. Another opportunity missed for Melissa to share scenes with other family members. Not to mention its unbelievable that they wouldn't go back to the house, period. Lucas has plenty of memories of Mickey from Clarke's active times in the 90s.
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Harmony233
Jan 14 2010, 05:16 PM
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Jan 14 2010, 04:52 PM
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Jan 14 2010, 04:45 PM
Carly did mention at the end today that she wasn't sure if it was instinctual on Melanie's part as to her hatred of her. I think that could be but also Melanie is the type of character who would be put off by the way Carly has been around her. Their first meeting had Carly spill Carly on her and then Carly almost moved in to Maggie's. She thinks the woman is some sort of wackjob and now she sees her making things worse for Maggie and her family so I can understand why Melanie is put off by Carly.
I'm glad you understand it, because I certainly don't -- and most people on other boards don't understand it either. I mean, yeah, I can understand why she wouldn't want to be best friends with the woman, and I can understand why she might even be annoyed with her, but the seething hatred? It's a little much. It feels forced because it is forced. Very contrived. Such a lazy, disappointingly expected way to go with the whole "long lost daughter" story.
IA and Mias attuide baffles me even more than Melanies.I mean Mia hates her because she comforted her and took up for her when Chad called her a slut.Whats up with that?
Mel and Mia are the new Witches of Salem after that hospital scene. ;)
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