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Weekly Discussion: 1/11-15; R.I.P. Mickey Horton
Topic Started: Jan 9 2010, 06:12 PM (18,639 Views)
cassie1013


Thursday comments...

Laughed out loud when Justin barged in on Bo and Hope. Typical. He totally wants her - aside from Wally's dumbass smirking, at least he's getting that across, LOL. Loved Bope/Barly, totally eating this story up.

Man, EJ's such an ass. He's finally becoming interesting again, and it was SO needed. When Hope said she was praying for Sydney, and he thanks her? Good god - typical DiMera!

Melissa's interesting. Would be nice to have some Horton's on the canvas. I really miss the Horton family, and I didn't honestly realize how bad it was until Mickey's passing.

Suzanne has been wonderful to watch. And Maggie's red shoes - aw!

Melanie/Mia/Viv/Carly was hilarious, especially the girls reactions to Vivian. She's so out there, and it is amusing.

Melanie - knew it! Better choice of the two. I LOVED Carly's "Oh" to Melanie's announcement of her engagement to Philip. That has to bring back memories, especially with Carly/Victor!
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Kenny - that was an excellent post on Carly. I, too, feel like she is being unfairly bashed, especially by Melanie and that is kind of ruining that whole story for me. Melanie can't go from being a perky, baring teeth teen to a spiteful evil bitch on a whim just because someone accidentally spilled a spot of coffee on her.

And right on about Hope turning into a paranoid jealous freak about the big secret. If she would have just trusted Bo about how the secret is none of her business, she would be in a better position instead of making it all about her and looking like a envious hag.

Very interesting.
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Kenny I'm enjoying Carly a lot. She is like a breath of fresh air in Salem. I find her neither heroic nor villainous just a complicated person. But I never go for the goody two-shoes anyway. They bore the socks off me. And when all is said and done, nobody's perfect, it's some in Salem think they are(hint, hint Hope, Broody, Starfish).

Plus I love that Vivian and Victor are up to no good once again. I just love some spice to cut all the sugar, ick.

Kenny it is just nice to see you enjoy DOOL again.
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I guess I can understand to a point that Carly is given the Salem dirty looks and judged because that exactly how they treat Nicole. I NEVER got why every person in town (including some fuckin entitled teenager) threw Nicole's porn past in her face? Its not like she wanted to do it, yet to this day its brought up.

Carly's treated as such because Hope is the princess and anyone not in her corner is evil. I wouldnt worry about Carly that much though. When the dust settles and the good ol' folks of Salem realize that Bo CONSENTED to sex and they become a couple and Hope embraces Carly, then Carly will be given the keys to Bradyville..oops...Salem.

I thought I would be so on team Carly, but I'm liking Hope. Can't feel bad for someone that admits to killing their husband and uses the Brady's hold on "justice," to skate free! That's why I'm so glad we have Vivian to torture her. I guess that'll be enough for me!LOL
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Everything about yestarday's episode was just horrendous,from the writing to the terrible overacting,was one of the worst DOOL episode's I have ever seen.
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Kenny, I couldn't disagree with your post more. Carly is selfish, needy pathetic and deserving of ever cross look she gets. When they call her Whore, Harlot, Succubus -- I love it all - keep it coming because I know there is more to come. Other than that, watching Bo and Carly together is extremely boring. She whines, he follows her around and tells her how great she is. She whines some more, he tells her how great she it. She whines some more.... :sleep: How many excuses are you fans going to make before you realize she really is that weak, needy and helpless? Oh, she had an abusive husband. Really? This is the same SOB that she claims "swept her off her feet" and she chose over Bo. Oh she was buried alive. Yes, she was buried alive almost two decades ago - but she lived didn't she. If Hope gets no sympathy for losing a child the way she did, I don't have much for a woman who survived being put in a box. BFD. :eyeroll:

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cassie1013
Jan 16 2010, 01:11 AM
Kenny said it better than I could. As a new viewer to the character, I completely agree. It bothers me that she's painted as this bad ass when she's really not. She's not perfect, but no one is. In fact, she's one of the few people in Salem that acknowledges that she makes mistakes. Like Victor and Vivian bashing her? They're 10x worse than Carly!
That is one of the reasons I love Victor, he always acts like he is such a good citizen but if anyone do him wrong they are whores, sluts and pure evil, even though he has usually done much worse things :D
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Kenny
Jan 16 2010, 01:07 AM
Excuse me for a moment, because I feel the need to rant...

The more I watch this show lately, the more frustrated I become with the whole town of Salem acting like Carly is the wicked witch of the west. Every place she goes people are constantly spewing rudeness in her face. Victor wants her to suffer for seemingly no reason. Vivian wants to kill her and she tortures her every chance she gets. Hope wants to beat her senseless because she's a jealous hag. Melanie hates her because she spilled coffee on her. I mean, seriously, she doesn't have a single friend in Salem. What has she done that everyone thinks is so terribly awful?

Bo and Hope's marriage was on the rocks long before she came to Salem so that can't be blamed on her. I mean, sure, her presence hasn't made things better for them but it's not like she's gone out of her way to purposely break them up. And yeah, it might've been tacky of her to show up at Maggie's house after Mickey died, but I've seen much worse behavior out of other people in Salem, so why is Carly in particular so vilified? Some might say that she's secretly hoping Bo will divorce Hope so he'll get back with her and that might be 100% true, but it still doesn't change the fact that Carly hasn't actively done anything to try and ruin their marriage. (Okay, okay, so she slept with Bo. But she didn't force him into it. She didn't drug his drink. She didn't blackmail him into bed. That was all Bo -- and Bo was the one who decided he wanted Carly long after Hope got all high-and-mighty and ditched him.)

Then there's Lawrence's murder. Does nobody understand that this man abused Carly physically and emotionally and he held her captive for years in Morocco? Nobody in Salem has to know that he was threatening to kill her daughter -- Carly had more than enough reason to stick a knife in his gut simply because he was a violent, abusive monster. However, Hope doesn't seem to care about that when she throws it in Carly's face as if she did some terrible thing by killing her husband. Would Hope have not done the same exact thing if she married Larry Welch and he was tormenting her for years? I think she would've, so it's time for Hope to politely shut the fuck up and get over herself.

Oh, and finally we've got Carly's "deep dark secret." Hope has let the fact that Bo and Carly share a super-duper important secret completely turn her into a paranoid jealous mess. She's done everything in her power to try and figure out what Carly is hiding, because for whatever reason Carly is a horrible, evil person for having secrets. What happens though when her secret gets out and Melanie ends up murdered (or almost murdered) at the hands of Vivian? Will Hope understand then why Carly didn't want her nosy ass knowing the truth? Will she apologize for prying so damn much? And will Melanie apologize for treating Carly so terribly for no reason whatsoever? After all, Carly's main reason for staying in Salem is to help protect Melanie from Vivian, so the least she could do is say "I'm sorry."

The whole thing is just frustrating. Nobody in Salem (except for Bo) knows the full story so they're all judging Carly based on their severe lack of knowledge. She's not the villain that everybody makes her her out to be. They simply don't know what's really going on, and thus they assume that she's an insane trouble-making lunatic as a result. If they all knew the truth, they wouldn't (or shouldn't) be so hard on her, because she's not really as bad as most of Salem seems to think she is. No, she's not perfect -- and yes, she can come across as a little too needy ("Save me, Bo!") from time to time, but a villain(ess)? She's far from it.

*sigh*

Poor Carly is so misunderstood. I feel bad for her, LoL.
Yes, the good citizens of Salem are truly hypocrites. Nothing new about that though this hatred of Carly is truly over the top in light of their acceptance of people like Kate, Stephano, Vic, Viv.
Kate slept with Bill, got pregnant with his child, and apparently had something to do with Laura's years in a catatonic state. She hired a man, Franco, to break up Bo and Hope. Said man, then duped Sami, who was framed for his killing BY KATE. Kate gets acceptance and support from people like Maggie, Caroline, etc etc.
Yea, I know that was all in the past and all is forgiven. Oh wait, she recently tried to murder Chloe. Oh wait, Chloe cheated on Lucas....so that makes killing her OK. But wait, didn't Maggie just shower some love on Chloe a few weeks ago? So confusing.
Let's see Melanie, as recently implied by Maggie and reiterated by Melissa before meeting her, is not good enough for a Horton, yet she is now a most loyal Hortanite worshipper.

Carly, let's see! What did she do to get more hate than Kate, than Ej, than Victor, than Viv???
Oh yea, she killed the man who raped Jennifer Horton and who attempted to kill Bo but killed Steve instead. Shouldn't they all sort of be glad? Oh wait, Jennifer married the man that raped Kayla Brady and Steve came back from the dead and he so, big deal, he missed all of his daughter's life. Oh man, it's all so confusing. Love a rapist, hate the killer of a rapist??? Love a killer, hate the killer of a killer. Love a pycho who buries a person alive but hate an adulterer! Oh wait, did not Maggie, Mickey, Doug, Caroline, Victor, and even Hope commit adultery in their lifetimes???

Salemites really do confound and confuse. :unsure:
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sandyeggo1
Jan 16 2010, 10:54 AM
How many excuses are you fans going to make before you realize she really is that weak, needy and helpless? Oh, she had an abusive husband. Really? This is the same SOB that she claims "swept her off her feet" and she chose over Bo. Oh she was buried alive. Yes, she was buried alive almost two decades ago - but she lived didn't she. If Hope gets no sympathy for losing a child the way she did, I don't have much for a woman who survived being put in a box. BFD. :eyeroll:

Probably about as many excuses you make for Hope every time she throws a temper tantrum and treats Bo like he is an abusive, horrid man who does not love his children, who runs around telling his family he is a terrible father who caused all the trauma his daughter is suffering, leaves him for weeks and months and then ONLY decides he is worth the time of day when she sees him around another woman? Probably as many excuses as you make for Hope's rude, immature behavior whenever she does not get her. :wave:
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Liz<3Days
Jan 16 2010, 10:27 AM
I thought I would be so on team Carly, but I'm liking Hope. Can't feel bad for someone that admits to killing their husband and uses the Brady's hold on "justice," to skate free! That's why I'm so glad we have Vivian to torture her. I guess that'll be enough for me!LOL
I don't get this comment about Carly using the Brady's hold on "justice" to skate free. Carly was on her way to being extradited. Bo tried but couldn't stop it. She is not free because of Bo. Carly is free because Vivian arranged it that way so she could perform her own brand of revenge on her.
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dc cubs
Jan 16 2010, 12:27 PM
Liz<3Days
Jan 16 2010, 10:27 AM
I thought I would be so on team Carly, but I'm liking Hope. Can't feel bad for someone that admits to killing their husband and uses the Brady's hold on "justice," to skate free! That's why I'm so glad we have Vivian to torture her. I guess that'll be enough for me!LOL
I don't get this comment about Carly using the Brady's hold on "justice" to skate free. Carly was on her way to being extradited. Bo tried but couldn't stop it. She is not free because of Bo. Carly is free because Vivian arranged it that way so she could perform her own brand of revenge on her.
I just seriously have to believe that attitudes toward abusive men, and psycho sadists like Viv, on the bbs do not reflect anything real. I understand that the shows are fiction but my judgment of characters pretty much reflect my value system. Abusive spouses should be stopped and punished. Rapists bad and should be punished. Murderers bad and should be punished. Sadists bad and should be stopped and punished. Kidnappers bad and should be punished. Adulterers......human and comprise 50% of the population and should not be punished but rather dealt with privately with their spouse. Women who defend themselves and their children from abusive bullies should be applauded and protected.
But that's me.
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Sam09
Jan 16 2010, 12:17 PM
sandyeggo1
Jan 16 2010, 10:54 AM
How many excuses are you fans going to make before you realize she really is that weak, needy and helpless? Oh, she had an abusive husband. Really? This is the same SOB that she claims "swept her off her feet" and she chose over Bo. Oh she was buried alive. Yes, she was buried alive almost two decades ago - but she lived didn't she. If Hope gets no sympathy for losing a child the way she did, I don't have much for a woman who survived being put in a box. BFD. :eyeroll:

Probably about as many excuses you make for Hope every time she throws a temper tantrum and treats Bo like he is an abusive, horrid man who does not love his children, who runs around telling his family he is a terrible father who caused all the trauma his daughter is suffering, leaves him for weeks and months and then ONLY decides he is worth the time of day when she sees him around another woman? Probably as many excuses as you make for Hope's rude, immature behavior whenever she does not get her. :wave:
I don't need to make excuses or type long-winded fan fics on message boards because I'm not the one fighting the tide of the storyline as it airs. Stay tuned. :lol:
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Jan 16 2010, 01:14 AM
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Then there's Lawrence's murder. Does nobody understand that this man abused Carly physically and emotionally and he held her captive for years in Morocco? Nobody in Salem has to know that he was threatening to kill her daughter -- Carly had more than enough reason to stick a knife in his gut simply because he was a violent, abusive monster.


According to Carly this is the case... but why should anyone believe her? She willingly left Salem with Lawrence and dumped Bo to get raise Nicholas with him even after she knew full well about what Lawrence did in the Alamania mess and what he did to Jennifer and Steve. He was a violent abusive monster and she still fell in love with him in spite of that. So why would anyone feel sorry for her when she gets to Morocco and is like oops... I married a psycho. Guess I'll just have to cheat on him and then stab him to death. Ugh.

I started out this story totally on Carly's side but as this goes on I'm finding her less rootable.
I honestly don't know how willingly Carly left with Lawrence. She had been buried alive, and when she was rescued, she had amnesia. During that time, Lawrence kept her locked up in his house away from everyone else including Bo and her son. She did not recognize Lawrence as Lawrence - she thought he was James, the man she had fallen in love with many years before. He did ultimately tell her who he was, but then he tried to get her out of town quickly without anyone knowing so that he could marry her before her memory returned.

Ultimately, Billie Reed found her son and brought him to Carly and her memory returned. She went back to Bo to try to see if they could make things work (because before she had "died" things hadn't been very rosy with the suspicions that she was murdering her patients hanging over her head and the problems with Nicky). In addition, Lawrence had told her he was leaving at 5:00 that night for with Paris with Nicky, with her or without her. She and Bo had very little time to discuss anything, but they both decided it wasn't going to work. She ultimately left to be with her son, and yes a part of her was in love with Lawrence. But honestly, CC played those scenes as if she were in a fog, so I can't really tell that she made any decision completely willingly.

But again even if she did, does that give Lawrence a pass for abusing her for all those years, and then for turning his abuse on her daughter? I think not.
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I still haven't watched friday's show, but the show has been very good. I don't know if it has been noted in this discussion, Maggie's was wearing red shoes on Thursday's episode. I thought it was a very simple but special touch.
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i also agree with kenny's assessment of carly. she has made some mistakes just like everyone else involved in this triangle, but i don't hate her because i don't see her as trying to maliciously break up bo and hope. their marriage was obviously coming apart at the seams over a lot of things that have nothing to do with carly--she's just one small reason in a large list.
i thought hope hit the nail on the head when she told doug that she waited too long. that's only partly it, tho. a huge reason why bo decided to move on is because of his conversation with justin where he learned that hope had been pushing justin to file separation papers. i think after months of hope's bullshit, the kiss with justin and the separation papers were the final straw. i don't see that he's a cheating asshole, i think he feels his relationship with hope is over. it's not that i don't sympathize with hope--i do, especially now--but she made this mess because of her stupid need to be right all the time. she took it too far this time.
Edited by luvpumpkns, Jan 16 2010, 02:49 PM.
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I enjoyed this weeks shows a lot. One quick complaint though. Why couldn't we get Caroline, Roman, Abe and Lexie at Maggie's house?
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Jan 16 2010, 03:19 PM
I enjoyed this weeks shows a lot. One quick complaint though. Why couldn't we get Caroline, Roman, Abe and Lexie at Maggie's house?
I could care less about them because they weren't necessarily needed considering the show was not showing the funeral. The two that SHOULD'VE been there that weren't were Lucas and Will. That is the bigger issue.
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Kenny, I completely agree with your Carly rant. She annoys me with how needy she is, but she hardly deserves to be the town pariah.
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Great post Kenny. ITA with your Carly post. You know Melanie should take her attitude and leave Salem lol. I really hope that Vivan does do something to her. I don't want Carly to suffer anymore, she's already been through hell and back, but she certianly doesn't deserve a bitchy twit of a daughter.

She really doesn't deserve the crap that some people are throwing at her.

I still want her away from Bo though, I want my Justin/Carly pairing lol.
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Jan 16 2010, 10:11 AM
Kenny I'm enjoying Carly a lot. She is like a breath of fresh air in Salem. I find her neither heroic nor villainous just a complicated person. But I never go for the goody two-shoes anyway. They bore the socks off me. And when all is said and done, nobody's perfect, it's some in Salem think they are(hint, hint Hope, Broody, Starfish).
Salem is full of hypocritical assholes. The other day when Hope was giving that speech about how Mickey and Maggie had the perfect marriage... blah, blah blah... I couldn't roll my eyes fast enough because, um, didn't Mickey cheat on Maggie several years ago? The same way Bo "cheated" on Hope? People in Salem (and the writers) love to forget the past when it's convenient and take the moral high ground.
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