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Weekly Discussion: 1/11-15; R.I.P. Mickey Horton
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Topic Started: Jan 9 2010, 06:12 PM (18,652 Views)
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Jan 12 2010, 09:58 AM
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Check Kenny's buried alive clips to see how crazy Vivian was during the Buried Alive storyline.
Yes! Please do. They're fabulous. Louise Sorel is especially terrifying in Clip #1 and Clip #7. http://daytimeroyaltyonline.com/topic/8236255/1/ Those clips are beyond fabulous. My fave is the deliciously twisted Vivian-rolling-on-Carly's-grave scene.
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Jan 12 2010, 10:03 AM
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The only problem I see with this Carly story is a lot is revolving around her right now, but I feel like when Carly is actually on screen she doesn't deliver to the expectations of how other characters describe her. I don't want to say she falls flat, but she kind of does. Vivian, Victor and flashback-Lawrence make her sound like some crazy, slutty bitch but she's not really. It was these sorts of storylines that confused me when I was younger (like Sami saying she wanted Austin over and over, but Lucus was the rooting interest - didn't clue in for the longest time, lol). It's starting to annoy me.
Carly wasn't a crazy, slutty bitch her first time on the show. Granted her sleeping with Bo right now is not painting her in the best light. However, consider the sources you are referencing. Victor pretty much calls any woman a bitch. Brady even said that to him today. He is a misogynistic, grumpy old man. Carly married Victor because Bo wouldn't let himself love Carly as he was grieving Hope. Bo finally admitted his feelings to Carly via a letter but of course Vic switched things up so Carly got a goodbye letter from Bo instead. When Bo and Carly realized Victor did this to them, Carly divorced Vic and started a relationship with Bo. Vic then tried to kill Bo. Who is the villain there? Check Kenny's buried alive clips to see how crazy Vivian was during the Buried Alive storyline. She is not exactly the best person to judge anyone. Lawrence was mentally ill so his opinions don't really wash either. I'm not saying Carly is perfect. She's made mistakes but she's not the villain that Victor, Vivian and Lawrence make her out to be. Would Maggie have offered to let her stay at her house if she was such a bad person?
I wish the show had aired more Vivian clips outside of Carly's perspective to explain the sort of person Vivian is. I was only familiar with the cartoonish Viv, and had to sort of reset my views on her, even knowing she buried Carly alive, because like Cassie, I figured at first that Vivian's issues with Carly might have a basis in reality, and that she just took things way overboard in classic soap style. What made me realize just how insane Vivian was, was a Viv/Lawrence clip, where she taunted/manipulated him into saying he'd murdered his brother, even though he was only five when it happened. If she'd do that to someone she claimed to love, it's easy to believe that Carly really is a good person who just ended up marrying into the wrong family. speaking of Lawrence and vivian.Watching old clips I'm convinced that Lawrence and vivian where sleeping together at one point.The way they where always kissing each other.I know it sounds creepy and sick but thats the Alamains.
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Jan 12 2010, 10:15 AM
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IA w/the poster that said that people only think of Vivian as cartoonish. Sure buried alive SL was good, but I also liked the whole Kate/Vic/Viv triangle and how she stole the embryo. I loved those two catfighting about Vic. I know stealing an embryo sounds cartoonish too, but it just was the way that she operated in her sick twisted world. She thought Vic would leave Kate after she gave him an heir.
She became cartoonish later on with the herbs and the stupid costumes. I lost interest somewhat in her character at this point.
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Jan 12 2010, 10:23 AM
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The only problem I see with this Carly story is a lot is revolving around her right now, but I feel like when Carly is actually on screen she doesn't deliver to the expectations of how other characters describe her. I don't want to say she falls flat, but she kind of does. Vivian, Victor and flashback-Lawrence make her sound like some crazy, slutty bitch but she's not really. It was these sorts of storylines that confused me when I was younger (like Sami saying she wanted Austin over and over, but Lucus was the rooting interest - didn't clue in for the longest time, lol). It's starting to annoy me.
Carly wasn't a crazy, slutty bitch her first time on the show. Granted her sleeping with Bo right now is not painting her in the best light. However, consider the sources you are referencing. Victor pretty much calls any woman a bitch. Brady even said that to him today. He is a misogynistic, grumpy old man. Carly married Victor because Bo wouldn't let himself love Carly as he was grieving Hope. Bo finally admitted his feelings to Carly via a letter but of course Vic switched things up so Carly got a goodbye letter from Bo instead. When Bo and Carly realized Victor did this to them, Carly divorced Vic and started a relationship with Bo. Vic then tried to kill Bo. Who is the villain there? Check Kenny's buried alive clips to see how crazy Vivian was during the Buried Alive storyline. She is not exactly the best person to judge anyone. Lawrence was mentally ill so his opinions don't really wash either. I'm not saying Carly is perfect. She's made mistakes but she's not the villain that Victor, Vivian and Lawrence make her out to be. Would Maggie have offered to let her stay at her house if she was such a bad person?
I wish the show had aired more Vivian clips outside of Carly's perspective to explain the sort of person Vivian is. I was only familiar with the cartoonish Viv, and had to sort of reset my views on her, even knowing she buried Carly alive, because like Cassie, I figured at first that Vivian's issues with Carly might have a basis in reality, and that she just took things way overboard in classic soap style. What made me realize just how insane Vivian was, was a Viv/Lawrence clip, where she taunted/manipulated him into saying he'd murdered his brother, even though he was only five when it happened. If she'd do that to someone she claimed to love, it's easy to believe that Carly really is a good person who just ended up marrying into the wrong family.
speaking of Lawrence and vivian.Watching old clips I'm convinced that Lawrence and vivian where sleeping together at one point.The way they where always kissing each other.I know it sounds creepy and sick but thats the Alamains. It sounds creepy and sick, but they were creepy and sick (based only on the few clips I saw on youtube). The incestuous vibe was definitely there.
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Jan 12 2010, 10:23 AM
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my only issue with what i thought was a pretty damn good show yesterday was melanie/maggie. most of it was fine, but i took issue with the way molly played the scene. i mean, she just seemed too upbeat and happy. the tears were there, but she was grinning an awful lot. i know the character is getting married, and perhaps she's excited about that, but i really wanted to smack that grin off of her face. that being said, the dialogue was excellent, and i loved the little touches with maggie noticing the breakfast dishes, the paper and keys, etc. i'm also not feeling melanie and nathan. at all. i'm not necessarily a fan of her relationship with philip, but it's just stupid of her to constantly be caught kissing/nearly kissing philip while she is with nathan, and changing her mind about it all five seconds after she gets what she wants. then you have the issue of nathan pining after some chick that did her level best to cheat on him every time he turned his back. blech.
i loved the bo/carly stuff. i'm so glad this isn't another repeat of pit sex with billie, and the writers are showing us that carly and bo have a real chance at making it as a couple. and PR's body is bangin' by the way.
vivan! :wub: she just gets more fantastic every day. she had me going with her speech to philip about just wanting him be happy, and kudos to jkj for playing it perfectly--suspicious and angry at first, and then finally softening.
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Jan 12 2010, 11:52 AM
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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- Jan 12 2010, 01:07 AM
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Just finished watching Monday's show.
I think this Mickey story is a mess. It's too bad. Yes, some of the scenes are good, but there's sooo many issues holding the story back from its full potential. Firstly, for those who haven't been watching years and years - the changing image of Mickey is confusing. What if you started watching 5 years ago and only knew the last 2 recasts? Not seeing Mickey, as I suspected, is hurting this story. The other problem is that everything is happening 'all of a sudden' and in the same day. Suzanne is good, but I felt the scenes were unrealistic. You wouldn't be that calm if your husband just died - SUDDENLY - 2 hours ago. The way she was reminiscing about Mickey already really put me off.
And where the fuck is Hope? Bitch, your effin' uncle died - get yo' ass over there...again! SO stupid that the writers had her leave. Everything kind of fell flat the moment Maggie was spending time with Melanie and Nathan. Not to bash newer characters, but in a pivotal story - killing off a LEGACY character - they become the weak links due to lack of history. Having Hope there initially was great, but she should have also been there with Melanie, Nathan, Doug and Julie. And WTF to Mickey's text message? Again - SO STUPID! Totally took me out of the moment. It was nice seeing Julie, though. Susan always captures my attention on screen.
How is Maggie calm? She falls apart constantly. She fell apart upon seeing the text. She fell apart describing when she found him. She fell apart when Melanie said what she said. She was emotional in her scenes with Melanie and fell apart again in Nathan's arms on her way out. She then fell apart again upon realizing the text got deleted. It's not like she's skipping around, acting like nothing happened. As for Hope, she went to tell her frail grandmother that her son died. If that isn't a reason not to be there, I don't know what is. She wouldn't just tell her and leave her. If Frances was able, I'm sure we would've seen the scenes where Hope tells her and the fallout from those. I agree with you. I think Maggie's reactions are perfect. She has always had a certain class and dignity - and I imagine that even in the depths of grief people react based on their instincts. I think she is trying her best to 'be strong' for everyone else, particularly the young people she is so close to. It's exactly as I would imagine she'd be and I think SR is doing a fabulous job of walking that tight rope of barely hanging on to her emotions.
And on the subject of Hope being the one to tell Alice, I really love that choice. There was always such a special relationship between Hope and her "Gran" - somehow it seems very fitting that Hope would be with her right now. It is a shame that Frances Reid isn't able to film - I'm sure those would be heart wrenching scenes.
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Jan 12 2010, 11:54 AM
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- Jan 12 2010, 01:14 AM
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Just finished watching Monday's show.
I think this Mickey story is a mess. It's too bad. Yes, some of the scenes are good, but there's sooo many issues holding the story back from its full potential. Firstly, for those who haven't been watching years and years - the changing image of Mickey is confusing. What if you started watching 5 years ago and only knew the last 2 recasts? Not seeing Mickey, as I suspected, is hurting this story. The other problem is that everything is happening 'all of a sudden' and in the same day. Suzanne is good, but I felt the scenes were unrealistic. You wouldn't be that calm if your husband just died - SUDDENLY - 2 hours ago. The way she was reminiscing about Mickey already really put me off.
And where the fuck is Hope? Bitch, your effin' uncle died - get yo' ass over there...again! SO stupid that the writers had her leave. Everything kind of fell flat the moment Maggie was spending time with Melanie and Nathan. Not to bash newer characters, but in a pivotal story - killing off a LEGACY character - they become the weak links due to lack of history. Having Hope there initially was great, but she should have also been there with Melanie, Nathan, Doug and Julie. And WTF to Mickey's text message? Again - SO STUPID! Totally took me out of the moment. It was nice seeing Julie, though. Susan always captures my attention on screen.
How is Maggie calm? She falls apart constantly. She fell apart upon seeing the text. She fell apart describing when she found him. She fell apart when Melanie said what she said. She was emotional in her scenes with Melanie and fell apart again in Nathan's arms on her way out. She then fell apart again upon realizing the text got deleted. It's not like she's skipping around, acting like nothing happened. As for Hope, she went to tell her frail grandmother that her son died. If that isn't a reason not to be there, I don't know what is. She wouldn't just tell her and leave her. If Frances was able, I'm sure we would've seen the scenes where Hope tells her and the fallout from those.
But the fact she could walk around and function, having conversations - like the one with Melanie, in particular - was odd to me. I get this is a soap, but that sort of stuff would come in the next couple days. If you just found out your husband died, suddenly - wouldn't you be in a state of emotional shock?! Where you would just sit on a couch, and can't believe what just happened? The falling apart was fine, too, but again, the way it was happening - with Maggie walking all around, interacting - was just weird. It was like Mickey died a few days ago and not like, an hour ago. They could have had Hope tell Gran off screen. I missed not seeing her in today's ep, especially since she's a key character and a Horton. Everyone handles grief differently. When my MIL died unexpectedly last year, the family gathered back at the house just a couple hours later. My FIL became obsessed with little details, like canceling her standing hair appointment, her Friday lunch with friends, trivial stuff like that. Not everyone breaks down and gets hysterical immediately. However, little things--like Mickey's text message--would trigger a breakdown. For me, it was walking into my MIL's bathroom and finding her makeup and hairbrush laying on the counter, scattered around like she'd done her makeup and just walked out. So I find Maggie's reactions very realistic, based on my own experiences.
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Jan 12 2010, 02:06 PM
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- Jan 11 2010, 05:55 PM
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Tuesday's sneak peek of Lucas comforting Maggie.
Nice work from BD. Maybe if he had material like this more often he would still be around :/ Wow! I'm going to miss Lucas
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Jan 12 2010, 02:07 PM
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Well, I was a blubbering mess today. The whole text thing seemed off to me, but Suzanne really sold it even more today, throwing the phone. The rage was a nice, new beat for her to play, as well. Lucas being there for her was just amazing and great.
I know others will complain, but I'm glad Mickey's passing is effecting the whole canvas and not just the few Hortons there are. Mickey was very much like Tom and Alice and he effected many lives, on-screen and off.
Overall, the show was very well balanced. There were so many scenes happening. The Carly/Hope face-off is good, if a little in poor taste. Drama doesn't take a holiday for grief. I was saddened when Bo told Hope to hang out with "Ma" and Peggy McCay was nowhere to be found. Of course, Rafe advising Will and telling to go see his great grandma is just another way in which Alice starting to turn into the new, non-existant Mickey.
EJ's so smarmy and I love it. I loved the "good dad" scenes with Johnny. I just love how he completely manipulated Sami and Anna today, though I hope Anna finds a way to outsmart him and turn the tables.
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Jan 12 2010, 02:38 PM
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Does anyone know if we will be seeing Caroline this week? It would be nice for her to attend the funeral or wake for Mickey.
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Jan 12 2010, 02:39 PM
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Bo is an absolute shit-brick. How tacky for him to not even bother to shower before running to Hope. I just hate his guts. DH is done a great job in destroying one of my favorite couples. The scenes with Bo and Carly made me sick. I had to ff through them. I am so glad Hope is wise to him. I don't want to see her take his cheating ass back.
I hope Carly get buried again and stays buried. I freaking hate her.I can't believe the bitch has the nerve to show up at Maggie's house after fucking Hope's husband. Someone needs to snatch her bald. If I was Hope I would not have said a word. I would have open that door saw who was and broke her face with my fist. The whole family would have had to pull me off her. Seriously, there would have been two ppl dying at Maggie's house that day.
Ej and Sydney are freaking cute. I also loved the scenes with Ej and Johnny.
Sami the freaking Dino-head is an idiot. She easily could have taken her son with her to Maggie's house. Families do include children. No one flips out when they appear. They are not hobgobblins for god sake. And if it was that big of a deal she should have left Jonny with Ej after he arrived. He is the boy's father.
Again with Rafe and Will...What the hell? That should have been a scene with Lucas and Will.
I liked the scenes with Maggie and Lucas. I think the two actors shine together.
I just do not get the Melanie appeal. That is one obnoxious character...Why Nathan Or Philly boy want her is beyond me. And Stephanie needs to just be quiet. Her manipulations are so transparent. The sl annoys me.
The show just managed to annoy me today. I think I should have skipped it and kept cleaning my house.
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Jan 12 2010, 02:43 PM
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I love how Sami makes everything about HER. Oh Mickey died how has this changed ME. mememememememememememe. She can jet off to another country but cant leave to comfort Maggie. Selfish self absorbed bitch.
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Jan 12 2010, 02:44 PM
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I actually enjoy Melanie. However, one thing that baffles me is how she's played as a screwball character who's quirkey and odd, but everyone else regards her as normal without even acknowledging her wackiness. IMO, they should go all out with the wackiness, let everyone accept that she's wackey. To be honest, Melanie shouldn't be Carly's daughter, but Eugene & Calliope's. Think about how well that would fit with how wacky Melanie can be.
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Jan 12 2010, 02:50 PM
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Carly/Bo= :wub: . Those scenes were fantastic and, granted, Bo did come off like a prick but if Hope can be a bitch, Bo can be a prick LOL. That is the way I see it. CC just looked so beautiful. Really? I thought Crystal looked terrible during that love scene! I don't know if it was PR's facial hair or what, but her mouth and nose area were very red and she just looked really bad. My mom thought so too. I found the scene kinda funny (Bo's face!) and not hot at all.
I liked the Maggie and Melanie scenes yesterday.
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Jan 12 2010, 02:52 PM
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Carly/Bo= :wub: . Those scenes were fantastic and, granted, Bo did come off like a prick but if Hope can be a bitch, Bo can be a prick LOL. That is the way I see it. CC just looked so beautiful.
Really? I thought Crystal looked terrible during that love scene! I don't know if it was PR's facial hair or what, but her mouth and nose area were very red and she just looked really bad. My mom thought so too. I found the scene kinda funny (Bo's face!) and not hot at all. I liked the Maggie and Melanie scenes yesterday. I noticed the redness in Crystal's face yesterday too. I have also seen it on Nadia during the Danloe sex scenes. I don't remember SC having facial hair so is it the lighting that is the problem?
Edited by dc cubs, Jan 12 2010, 03:17 PM.
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Jan 12 2010, 02:57 PM
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Carly/Bo= :wub: . Those scenes were fantastic and, granted, Bo did come off like a prick but if Hope can be a bitch, Bo can be a prick LOL. That is the way I see it. CC just looked so beautiful.
Really? I thought Crystal looked terrible during that love scene! I don't know if it was PR's facial hair or what, but her mouth and nose area were very red and she just looked really bad. My mom thought so too. I found the scene kinda funny (Bo's face!) and not hot at all. I liked the Maggie and Melanie scenes yesterday. I saw what you saw and wasn't bothered by it. What I like is how comfortable she is with her body and I just found it refreshing to have a love scene with a woman who isn't a stick figure. I know that sounds harsh but that made the scene feel more real and appealling, at least to me.
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Jan 12 2010, 02:59 PM
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I actually enjoy Melanie. However, one thing that baffles me is how she's played as a screwball character who's quirkey and odd, but everyone else regards her as normal without even acknowledging her wackiness. IMO, they should go all out with the wackiness, let everyone accept that she's wackey. To be honest, Melanie shouldn't be Carly's daughter, but Eugene & Calliope's. Think about how well that would fit with how wacky Melanie can be. Oh, I agree Matt. And I think if they did that I could stand to watch her. She would make alot more sense.
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Jan 12 2010, 03:15 PM
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I just found it refreshing to have a love scene with a woman who isn't a stick figure. I know that sounds harsh but that made the scene feel more real and appealling, at least to me. Not that I have any quarrel with your opinion, but this just kind of struck me because honestly, I don't think Days is loaded with stick figures for the women. Molly is very small and thin but that's the way she's built, like RM; I think she's simply naturally petite and while her appearance bothers me as being adolescent, I'm not disturbed by her weight. Kristian is a different story--even I am starting to get bothered by her appearance and I've been quite slow to think she's too thin--but we haven't seen her in a love scene in ages (and her appearance may actually be why for all we know, not her age but her weight). Alison isn't a stick figure. Nadia isn't a stick figure. Shelley isn't a stick figure. We continued to see love scenes here and there even after Ari was noticeably pregnant and even not pregnant, while Ari is thin again for me it's a natural thin and not a gaunt, drawn look like I associate with people who are underweight. Who has been having love scenes and looks too thin in your opinion?
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Jan 12 2010, 03:18 PM
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- Jan 12 2010, 02:39 PM
Sami the freaking Dino-head is an idiot.
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- Jan 12 2010, 02:39 PM
I noticed the redness in Crystal's face yesterday too. I have also seen it on Nadia during the Danloe sex scenes. I don't remember SC having facial hair so is it the lighting that is the problem?
he might have stubble, though, which could affect nadia if her skin is on the sensitive side.
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Jan 12 2010, 03:22 PM
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- Jan 12 2010, 02:57 PM
I just found it refreshing to have a love scene with a woman who isn't a stick figure. I know that sounds harsh but that made the scene feel more real and appealling, at least to me.
Not that I have any quarrel with your opinion, but this just kind of struck me because honestly, I don't think Days is loaded with stick figures for the women. Molly is very small and thin but that's the way she's built, like RM; I think she's simply naturally petite and while her appearance bothers me as being adolescent, I'm not disturbed by her weight. Kristian is a different story--even I am starting to get bothered by her appearance and I've been quite slow to think she's too thin--but we haven't seen her in a love scene in ages (and her appearance may actually be why for all we know, not her age but her weight). Alison isn't a stick figure. Nadia isn't a stick figure. Shelley isn't a stick figure. We continued to see love scenes here and there even after Ari was noticeably pregnant and even not pregnant, while Ari is thin again for me it's a natural thin and not a gaunt, drawn look like I associate with people who are underweight. Who has been having love scenes and looks too thin in your opinion? It's more of a general thing, not really exclusive to Days or even daytime. There is such a focus on being as thin as a stick so seeing someone like CC is just refreshing.
You are right about the actresses on Days. MB's appearance does bother me but I do understand that is the way she's built, much like RM. SH and Nadia are just gorgeous. KA...I won't comment. But, yes, your right. Days has a group of actresses who do look great. I think the thing about it is that CC is over 40 and has had two kids. It's not that often, especially in daytime, that you see a woman of her age who has children and doesn't wear a size 1 in a love scene (let alone with a man over 50). I guess that is why it's a breath of fresh air to me.
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