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SOD: Rafe Moves Out; February 2nd issue; article summary
Topic Started: Jan 21 2010, 02:37 PM (6,184 Views)
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

magicsteacher
Jan 21 2010, 09:16 PM
SocRMum1
Jan 21 2010, 08:37 PM
wonderingwhat
Jan 21 2010, 08:28 PM
magicsteacher
Jan 21 2010, 08:23 PM

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The only way Ej will ever get or even be in Sami's life, is if there is grief. That is so sad, even if Ej is in love with her,(Next month or whenever he realizes it). Rafe is all for makin Sami happy, when Ej is in the back making her life a complete and utter mess. In the process, making her life miserable..... Im like the poster in the above comment, Rafe will win in the end
Really? Rafe didn't seem to be all about making her happy the other day when he couldn't give two shits about her fears when he decided to call in the FBI. Rafe is all about his ego first, his secrets second...and then Sami gets to slide in there somewhere. Especially if she's willing to hand over EJ's kids to him.

EJ and Sami have done some shitty things to each other - no doubt about it. But the rafester has had nothing but Sami's adoration and hero worship - but the minute she steps out of line he takes his toys and goes home.

At this point, I agree with whomever said that Sami seriously needs to take a break and be on her own for a while. For such a new and improved more mature version she sure as shit can't seem to wipe her ass without having a man nearby to tell her how. I would really like to see her stand on her own for a while.

And then she and EJ can have at it. ;)
Like Rafe had a choice about calling in the FBI??? Come on, he is the point person in charge of the case. The feds have now taken it over-- he had no choice. It wasn't about Sami's feelings, it was about getting Sydney back. Since when are Sami and Ej experts on solving kidnapping cases over the FBI?
If anyone in this whole s/l is about their ego and secrets, I think that would be EJ. Sami has been #1 in Rafe's life for a year and a half now. He has risked his life for her and her kids and has done nothing but try to protect and love her. Can't say the same thing about EJ.
Sami has never said she is giving her kids over to Rafe, but that he is in her life and will be in her kids' lives, too.
I wasn't comparing the rafester and EJ. I was talking about the way the rafester treated Sami when he found out about the ransom notes. When she panicked as he started to make the call he looked like he was enjoying making her freak out. He was pissed, his ego was bruised and he wanted to make sure she knew it. As far as he's concerned this has always been about him - and when push comes to shove, what Sami thinks or feels doesn't matter if it gets in the way of what he wants or what he thinks is the right thing to do. He had no choice but to call the FBI?? Really? Why is that? Because he's such a by the book kind of guy? Tell that to Hilda. :shame:

I do agree with one point in your post, though:

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It wasn't about Sami's feelings, it was about getting Sydney back.
That's pretty much the bottom line, isn't it? It's always been more about Sami's baby(s) than it has been about her.
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I know many like to bash Rafe for walking away but what is he supposed to do? Hold her at gunpoint and 'make a deal with her'...I know suggest they have sex if she wants him to keep away from the case? Or maybe threaten to kill her family one by one if she doesn’t stop working with EJ behind his back? :puke:

Or maybe he could secretly kidnap Johnny and hide him and start sending his own batch of ransom notes....that way he could ‘solve’ that case to ensure that he looks like a hero in Sami’s eyes and ensure she turns away from EJ...

And of course at the same time he can promise Sami he’ll not stop at anything to find Johnny whilst he makes secret visits to him and reads stories to him as Sami calls for the 10th time....

Sorry that slot of cruel and pathetic loser and manipulator has already been taken by EJ.

I would rather watch Rafe move out and see the inevitable Safe reunion any day over the crap being written into the ejami ‘relationship’ bonding over a mountain of lies to ensure they have no long term viability? No way! Rafe I’ll help you pack! :jedi:

Rafe is a man, not a spoiled boy like EJ is portraying playing games of cat and mouse with the mother of the only two kids he has – what a fool! :drunk:
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Manda1
Jan 21 2010, 09:51 PM
I know many like to bash Rafe for walking away but what is he supposed to do? Hold her at gunpoint and 'make a deal with her'...I know suggest they have sex if she wants him to keep away from the case? Or maybe threaten to kill her family one by one if she doesn’t stop working with EJ behind his back? :puke:

Or maybe he could secretly kidnap Johnny and hide him and start sending his own batch of ransom notes....that way he could ‘solve’ that case to ensure that he looks like a hero in Sami’s eyes and ensure she turns away from EJ...

And of course at the same time he can promise Sami he’ll not stop at anything to find Johnny whilst he makes secret visits to him and reads stories to him as Sami calls for the 10th time....

Sorry that slot of cruel and pathetic loser and manipulator has already been taken by EJ.

I would rather watch Rafe move out and see the inevitable Safe reunion any day over the crap being written into the ejami ‘relationship’ bonding over a mountain of lies to ensure they have no long term viability? No way! Rafe I’ll help you pack! :jedi:

Rafe is a man, not a spoiled boy like EJ is portraying playing games of cat and mouse with the mother of the only two kids he has – what a fool! :drunk:
How do you know EJ only has two kids? They're the only two we've seen in Salem.......yet!

The man has super sperm. He's shooting 100% from what we've seen and I'm sure Ej sown a few wild oats before he hit Salem.

Yep, we'll be seeing EJ DiMera spawn crawling out of the woodwork for many a year to come........barring cancellation. :ermmmm:
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Manda1
Jan 21 2010, 09:51 PM
I know many like to bash Rafe for walking away but what is he supposed to do? Hold her at gunpoint and 'make a deal with her'...I know suggest they have sex if she wants him to keep away from the case? Or maybe threaten to kill her family one by one if she doesn’t stop working with EJ behind his back? :puke:

Or maybe he could secretly kidnap Johnny and hide him and start sending his own batch of ransom notes....that way he could ‘solve’ that case to ensure that he looks like a hero in Sami’s eyes and ensure she turns away from EJ...

And of course at the same time he can promise Sami he’ll not stop at anything to find Johnny whilst he makes secret visits to him and reads stories to him as Sami calls for the 10th time....

Sorry that slot of cruel and pathetic loser and manipulator has already been taken by EJ.

I would rather watch Rafe move out and see the inevitable Safe reunion any day over the crap being written into the ejami ‘relationship’ bonding over a mountain of lies to ensure they have no long term viability? No way! Rafe I’ll help you pack! :jedi:

Rafe is a man, not a spoiled boy like EJ is portraying playing games of cat and mouse with the mother of the only two kids he has – what a fool! :drunk:
It's interesting to me that the only defense of Rafe I ever see is to compare him to EJ.

Why is it Rafe can't simply be defended for his actions without comparing him to someone else?

Oh...I know. Because he's a jackass. An egotistical, controlling failure of an FBI agent with a hero complex who fixates on other people's kids.

What a guy. :huh:
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Jan 21 2010, 04:53 PM
Dragonish1
Jan 21 2010, 04:25 PM
If Ej actually managed to get Rafe to leave town for good then in my book he'd be a hero.
:D Ah, now you take me back. This makes me think of Bope on a motor bike.

I also loved it when they used this song in Shrek 2

Do you know the Muffin man?!
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If a train leaves Salem at 3 pm going 90 mph, with Rafe on it, and another train leaves Cleveland at 2pm going 100 mph, with EJ on it, and they collide ... how happy will aimees76 be?

:cheer:
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Jan 21 2010, 11:10 PM
If a train leaves Salem at 3 pm going 90 mph, with Rafe on it, and another train leaves Cleveland at 2pm going 100 mph, with EJ on it, and they collide ... how happy will aimees76 be?

:cheer:
Almost as happy as I am now that Lucas is off the show? :lol:
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SocRMum1
Jan 21 2010, 10:15 PM
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Jan 21 2010, 09:51 PM
I know many like to bash Rafe for walking away but what is he supposed to do? Hold her at gunpoint and 'make a deal with her'...I know suggest they have sex if she wants him to keep away from the case? Or maybe threaten to kill her family one by one if she doesn’t stop working with EJ behind his back? :puke:

Or maybe he could secretly kidnap Johnny and hide him and start sending his own batch of ransom notes....that way he could ‘solve’ that case to ensure that he looks like a hero in Sami’s eyes and ensure she turns away from EJ...

And of course at the same time he can promise Sami he’ll not stop at anything to find Johnny whilst he makes secret visits to him and reads stories to him as Sami calls for the 10th time....

Sorry that slot of cruel and pathetic loser and manipulator has already been taken by EJ.

I would rather watch Rafe move out and see the inevitable Safe reunion any day over the crap being written into the ejami ‘relationship’ bonding over a mountain of lies to ensure they have no long term viability? No way! Rafe I’ll help you pack! :jedi:

Rafe is a man, not a spoiled boy like EJ is portraying playing games of cat and mouse with the mother of the only two kids he has – what a fool! :drunk:
It's interesting to me that the only defense of Rafe I ever see is to compare him to EJ.

Why is it Rafe can't simply be defended for his actions without comparing him to someone else?

Oh...I know. Because he's a jackass. An egotistical, controlling failure of an FBI agent with a hero complex who fixates on other people's kids.

What a guy. :huh:
The contrasts are there so I can point them out if I wish!

I've already said that Rafe is being a adult male. No maniputlation. No games. No snickering behind Sami's back! No tricks! I am glad he is not going to hang on like some pathetic loser unless Sami makes it loud and clear that he is the only one that she wants.

I'm glad he's leaving! I feel sorry that they are writing Sami to be a bi-polar twit regarding EJ at the minute but her expressions even when she was blasting Rafe show that she is not convinced that trusting EJ is the best thing and that saying the comments about Rafe not being Sydney's father were not really necessary - Rafe knows that and he did not let that stop him reuniting her and ultimately EJ with Sydney. Evev EJ acknowledge Rafe's role and said he was grateful - LIAR LIAR!

If it wasn't for Rafe she would not even have had the few moments that she has had as Sydney's mother.
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The Rafe hate cracks me up. For being such a boring, dull brick of a character, he certainly presses all the buttons and has many descriptions. I love it! And at least Rafe has a defense.
There is no defending EJ in any of this. At all.
Hell, in her grief, even Sami has a defense for her stupidity.

And after all of this, I still see Rafe as the only one who has made any progress in the whole Sydney case...Sami certainly hasn't, nor the SPD, and EJ is just doing what he does best...being a egotistical, controlling failure of a man who fixates on how to torture woman who want nothing to do with him. What a guy! ;)
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Jan 22 2010, 12:12 AM
The Rafe hate cracks me up. For being such a boring, dull brick of a character, he certainly presses all the buttons and has many descriptions. I love it! And at least Rafe has a defense.
There is no defending EJ in any of this. At all.
Hell, in her grief, even Sami has a defense for her stupidity.

And after all of this, I still see Rafe as the only one who has made any progress in the whole Sydney case...Sami certainly hasn't, nor the SPD, and EJ is just doing what he does best...being a egotistical, controlling failure of a man who fixates on how to torture woman who want nothing to do with him. What a guy! ;)
The whole intensity of this discussion cracks me up. I guess just cause I lost interest. I considered Nicole the glue that held this whole sordid story together. Now, for me, it's just the Anna/EJ dynamic. Sami, Rafe, and EJ (pretending) as the Scooby Gang in search of another mystery isn't very satisfying. All the scenes are just Groundhog Day all over again. I actually like EJ's motive, but now with the spoilers of
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, it's sick twisted and redundant. In my viewpoint. And, if people's speculations are correct, we WILL get
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. At least Joe Mascolo can pull it off and make me root for that scenario, especially if Kate is involved. Joe needs to be in these scenes some more instead of Safe so much. After all, EJ is angry at him, too, no?
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The whole intensity of this discussion cracks me up. I guess just cause I lost interest. I considered Nicole the glue that held this whole sordid story together. Now, for me, it's just the Anna/EJ dynamic. Sami, Rafe, and EJ (pretending) as the Scooby Gang in search of another mystery isn't very satisfying. All the scenes are just Groundhog Day all over again. I actually like EJ's motive, but now with the spoilers of
Spoiler: click to toggle
, it's sick twisted and redundant. In my viewpoint. And, if people's speculations are correct, we WILL get
Spoiler: click to toggle
. At least Joe Mascolo can pull it off and make me root for that scenario, especially if Kate is involved. Joe needs to be in these scenes some more instead of Safe so much. After all, EJ is angry at him, too, no?

ICAM about Stefano LOTL.

Having read the day ahead for Monday that seems to be coming. They read like a great couple of scenes between the two.
Edited by UKDaysFan, Jan 22 2010, 07:49 AM.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

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Jan 22 2010, 06:45 AM
Alligato
Jan 22 2010, 12:12 AM
The Rafe hate cracks me up. For being such a boring, dull brick of a character, he certainly presses all the buttons and has many descriptions. I love it! And at least Rafe has a defense.
There is no defending EJ in any of this. At all.
Hell, in her grief, even Sami has a defense for her stupidity.

And after all of this, I still see Rafe as the only one who has made any progress in the whole Sydney case...Sami certainly hasn't, nor the SPD, and EJ is just doing what he does best...being a egotistical, controlling failure of a man who fixates on how to torture woman who want nothing to do with him. What a guy! ;)
The whole intensity of this discussion cracks me up. I guess just cause I lost interest. I considered Nicole the glue that held this whole sordid story together. Now, for me, it's just the Anna/EJ dynamic. Sami, Rafe, and EJ (pretending) as the Scooby Gang in search of another mystery isn't very satisfying. All the scenes are just Groundhog Day all over again. I actually like EJ's motive, but now with the spoilers of
Spoiler: click to toggle
, it's sick twisted and redundant. In my viewpoint. And, if people's speculations are correct, we WILL get
Spoiler: click to toggle
. At least Joe Mascolo can pull it off and make me root for that scenario, especially if Kate is involved. Joe needs to be in these scenes some more instead of Safe so much. After all, EJ is angry at him, too, no?
I completely agree with this. I didn't think a time would come when I would prefer to see EJ on screen with anybody but Sami - but at this point in the story, that's where I'm at. The story desperately needs a shot in the arm - and I miss Stef N Ho something awful. :( Sami flip flopping around and wailing and gnashing her teeth is redundant. Rafe takes up space on my screen. EJ with the two of them makes me cringe. I'd much prefer the focus switch to Stefano figuring things out...more of Anna and Sydney (with EJ thrown in)...and let's get on with it already.

I'm not sure what I'll think about the February preview stating EJ realizes his feelings for Sami have changed - I'll have to wait to see how it plays out. As a die hard EJami I'm surprised I'm not more thrilled about the idea - but damnit, I'm rather enjoying EJ as the puppet master. So if the sudden change makes him wimpy and weak, I'll pass. If it's a sudden "Ah HA!" moment it won't work. But if it's done right and we see him fighting it, while Sami is trying harder to foster a relationship with him I could go for that.

And if it pisses the rafester off...maybe he really will take his toys and go home. Permanently. ;)
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SocRMum1
Jan 22 2010, 09:15 AM
ladyofthelake
Jan 22 2010, 06:45 AM
Alligato
Jan 22 2010, 12:12 AM
The Rafe hate cracks me up. For being such a boring, dull brick of a character, he certainly presses all the buttons and has many descriptions. I love it! And at least Rafe has a defense.
There is no defending EJ in any of this. At all.
Hell, in her grief, even Sami has a defense for her stupidity.

And after all of this, I still see Rafe as the only one who has made any progress in the whole Sydney case...Sami certainly hasn't, nor the SPD, and EJ is just doing what he does best...being a egotistical, controlling failure of a man who fixates on how to torture woman who want nothing to do with him. What a guy! ;)
The whole intensity of this discussion cracks me up. I guess just cause I lost interest. I considered Nicole the glue that held this whole sordid story together. Now, for me, it's just the Anna/EJ dynamic. Sami, Rafe, and EJ (pretending) as the Scooby Gang in search of another mystery isn't very satisfying. All the scenes are just Groundhog Day all over again. I actually like EJ's motive, but now with the spoilers of
Spoiler: click to toggle
, it's sick twisted and redundant. In my viewpoint. And, if people's speculations are correct, we WILL get
Spoiler: click to toggle
. At least Joe Mascolo can pull it off and make me root for that scenario, especially if Kate is involved. Joe needs to be in these scenes some more instead of Safe so much. After all, EJ is angry at him, too, no?
I completely agree with this. I didn't think a time would come when I would prefer to see EJ on screen with anybody but Sami - but at this point in the story, that's where I'm at. The story desperately needs a shot in the arm - and I miss Stef N Ho something awful. :( Sami flip flopping around and wailing and gnashing her teeth is redundant. Rafe takes up space on my screen. EJ with the two of them makes me cringe. I'd much prefer the focus switch to Stefano figuring things out...more of Anna and Sydney (with EJ thrown in)...and let's get on with it already.

I'm not sure what I'll think about the February preview stating EJ realizes his feelings for Sami have changed - I'll have to wait to see how it plays out. As a die hard EJami I'm surprised I'm not more thrilled about the idea - but damnit, I'm rather enjoying EJ as the puppet master. So if the sudden change makes him wimpy and weak, I'll pass. If it's a sudden "Ah HA!" moment it won't work. But if it's done right and we see him fighting it, while Sami is trying harder to foster a relationship with him I could go for that.

And if it pisses the rafester off...maybe he really will take his toys and go home. Permanently. ;)
I totally agree with this. As much as I love EJami, I'd rather have EJ screwing over Sami and Rafe than have him to become a bumbling fool again over her.

I have said this before...IF I can't have EJami the way I want them, screw it, just give me bad EJ screwing with their lives. EJ is so much fun when he's effing with everybody.


I don't even see Rafe as a man in this, the first sign of trouble he leaves like a little bitch, instead of facing his problems like a man. WTH!


If things can't go the Rafter's way, he just tucks his tail between his legs and run. What a loser!

I may not agree with what EJ is doing, but at least he's doing something. He not taking crap laying down anymore.


I say more power to EJ!

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Jan 22 2010, 12:12 AM
There is no defending EJ in any of this. At all.
But he can (and will) still be defended!! I know it's like beating a dead horse, but Sami DID this to herself (and so DID Nicole btw. Who marries someone knowing they want someone else anyway - DUMB)!

If Sami was HONEST from the beginning with EJ about the pregnancy, blah, blah, blah, there would have been no baby to kidnap, no relationship with Rafe (she was still crushing on EJ when she left for WPP), EJ wouldn't have gone back to daddy, put the hit on Philip, hid Steph in a morgue drawer, then re-stolen his baby from ex-wife to torture Sami and Rafester and so on and so on and so on.

If anyone has the right to go a little bat shit crazy here and be justified - IT IS EJ!!!



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Good god, I'm so Booooored of this story. Let's get it moving. Somebody please do something!
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Jan 22 2010, 01:04 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 12:12 AM
There is no defending EJ in any of this. At all.
But he can (and will) still be defended!! I know it's like beating a dead horse, but Sami DID this to herself (and so DID Nicole btw. Who marries someone knowing they want someone else anyway - DUMB)!

If Sami was HONEST from the beginning with EJ about the pregnancy, blah, blah, blah, there would have been no baby to kidnap, no relationship with Rafe (she was still crushing on EJ when she left for WPP), EJ wouldn't have gone back to daddy, put the hit on Philip, hid Steph in a morgue drawer, then re-stolen his baby from ex-wife to torture Sami and Rafester and so on and so on and so on.

If anyone has the right to go a little bat shit crazy here and be justified - IT IS EJ!!!



If you're going to start to blame Sami for hiding the pregnancy you'ld have to go back further than that and start to blame EJ for being such a pratt that Sami would consider hiding the baby from him....he already had another woman pregnant too, still tied to his father the list is too long but all roads lead back to EJ IMO!

And I thought they had this big forgiveness scene at the gravside? I told the ejami's it was a load of crappola at the time and they were too busy gushing over 'the chemistry' it was rubbish! :lol: :lol: If a word out of EJ's mouth was true he would NEVER have taken Sydney from Nicole and then hide her from Sami.
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Jan 22 2010, 01:04 PM
Alligato
Jan 22 2010, 12:12 AM
There is no defending EJ in any of this. At all.
But he can (and will) still be defended!! I know it's like beating a dead horse, but Sami DID this to herself (and so DID Nicole btw. Who marries someone knowing they want someone else anyway - DUMB)!

If Sami was HONEST from the beginning with EJ about the pregnancy, blah, blah, blah, there would have been no baby to kidnap, no relationship with Rafe (she was still crushing on EJ when she left for WPP), EJ wouldn't have gone back to daddy, put the hit on Philip, hid Steph in a morgue drawer, then re-stolen his baby from ex-wife to torture Sami and Rafester and so on and so on and so on.

If anyone has the right to go a little bat shit crazy here and be justified - IT IS EJ!!!



Letting a mother think that their baby is dead and it is all her fault is sadistic. For me, there is no defense to that.
And I am okay with it.
If you need to defend it to make EJami plausable, go for it. They were always a sick couple, so at least it continues.

It was Sami's fault that she was raped, it was Sami's fault that she hid Grace from EJ and now it is Sami's fault that her baby is dead? Don't think so. I can't stand the bitch, but at some point it is a good idea to realize that EJ is fucking with her life to the point of where her decisions are screwed because there isn't a level playing field.
And I just can't blame Sami for all that EJ has done. If we go that way, if EJ would have stayed as a world famous racecar driver away from Salem, none of this would have happened and she could be blissfullly happy with Lucas and their ensuing brood.

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Jan 21 2010, 07:05 PM
I hope that Caroline still has room at the inn.
Mer, please. :P There is NO room for this loser in Salem. He needs to move all the way out.

I vote he is called up to go to Quantico and save the FBI.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

Manda1
Jan 22 2010, 02:28 PM
michelle
Jan 22 2010, 01:04 PM
Alligato
Jan 22 2010, 12:12 AM
There is no defending EJ in any of this. At all.
But he can (and will) still be defended!! I know it's like beating a dead horse, but Sami DID this to herself (and so DID Nicole btw. Who marries someone knowing they want someone else anyway - DUMB)!

If Sami was HONEST from the beginning with EJ about the pregnancy, blah, blah, blah, there would have been no baby to kidnap, no relationship with Rafe (she was still crushing on EJ when she left for WPP), EJ wouldn't have gone back to daddy, put the hit on Philip, hid Steph in a morgue drawer, then re-stolen his baby from ex-wife to torture Sami and Rafester and so on and so on and so on.

If anyone has the right to go a little bat shit crazy here and be justified - IT IS EJ!!!



If you're going to start to blame Sami for hiding the pregnancy you'ld have to go back further than that and start to blame EJ for being such a pratt that Sami would consider hiding the baby from him....he already had another woman pregnant too, still tied to his father the list is too long but all roads lead back to EJ IMO!

And I thought they had this big forgiveness scene at the gravside? I told the ejami's it was a load of crappola at the time and they were too busy gushing over 'the chemistry' it was rubbish! :lol: :lol: If a word out of EJ's mouth was true he would NEVER have taken Sydney from Nicole and then hide her from Sami.
The bottom line is Sami had unprotected sex with EJ and when she found out she was pregnant - didn't tell him. At the time she found out, and when EJ came to see her at the hospital (after Lucas called him) neither of them had any idea that Nicole was pregnant.

If Sami had been truthful from the very beginning everything would be different. EJ is not blameless, particularly at this point in time, but the saga began with Sami sleeping with EJ then choosing to hide her pregnancy from him - a man she clearly cared about but told Lucas she didn't want to choose her 'because of the baby'.
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