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SOD: Rafe Moves Out; February 2nd issue; article summary
Topic Started: Jan 21 2010, 02:37 PM (6,183 Views)
Alligato
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Jan 22 2010, 02:28 PM
if you're going to start to blame Sami for hiding the pregnancy you'ld have to go back further than that and start to blame EJ for being such a pratt that Sami would consider hiding the baby from him....he already had another woman pregnant too, still tied to his father the list is too long but all roads lead back to EJ IMO!

And I thought they had this big forgiveness scene at the gravside? I told the ejami's it was a load of crappola at the time and they were too busy gushing over 'the chemistry' it was rubbish! :lol: :lol: If a word out of EJ's mouth was true he would NEVER have taken Sydney from Nicole and then hide her from Sami.
Oh we can also keep going and say that if Sami didn't act like such a jealous shrew because Nicole was hitting on EJ
then she would not have had unprotected sex to get back at Nicole, so it IS Sami's fault.
But if Lucas didn't shoot EJ in the back, then he wouldn't have gone to prison and left Sami to have to depend on EJ, so it is Lucas' fault.
But if EJ wouldn't have forced Sami and Lucas to divorce by threatening her family, then Lucas wouldn't have shot him, so it is EJ's fault.

This is kind of fun.

But it all comes back to if EJ would just leave Sami the fuck alone and stop trying to make her like him, then she might be kind of happy, would have her happy family and Rafe wouldn't have to move out! :)
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

Alligato
Jan 22 2010, 02:53 PM

But it all comes back to if EJ would just leave Sami the fuck alone and stop trying to make her like him, then she might be kind of happy, would have her happy family and Rafe wouldn't have to move out! :)
But at the moment EJ isn't trying to make Sami like him. He's trying to make her suffer. And if he makes the rafester suffer, too...bonus! ;)
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Jan 22 2010, 02:30 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 01:04 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 12:12 AM
There is no defending EJ in any of this. At all.
But he can (and will) still be defended!! I know it's like beating a dead horse, but Sami DID this to herself (and so DID Nicole btw. Who marries someone knowing they want someone else anyway - DUMB)!

If Sami was HONEST from the beginning with EJ about the pregnancy, blah, blah, blah, there would have been no baby to kidnap, no relationship with Rafe (she was still crushing on EJ when she left for WPP), EJ wouldn't have gone back to daddy, put the hit on Philip, hid Steph in a morgue drawer, then re-stolen his baby from ex-wife to torture Sami and Rafester and so on and so on and so on.

If anyone has the right to go a little bat shit crazy here and be justified - IT IS EJ!!!



Letting a mother think that their baby is dead and it is all her fault is sadistic. For me, there is no defense to that.
And I am okay with it.
If you need to defend it to make EJami plausable, go for it. They were always a sick couple, so at least it continues.

It was Sami's fault that she was raped, it was Sami's fault that she hid Grace from EJ and now it is Sami's fault that her baby is dead? Don't think so. I can't stand the bitch, but at some point it is a good idea to realize that EJ is fucking with her life to the point of where her decisions are screwed because there isn't a level playing field.
And I just can't blame Sami for all that EJ has done. If we go that way, if EJ would have stayed as a world famous racecar driver away from Salem, none of this would have happened and she could be blissfullly happy with Lucas and their ensuing brood.

No no no. This (my post) was not about Ejami - just about EJ. His actions are defendable to me because of what these two crazy women put HIM through. I'm not saying what he is doing isn't cruel, it is absolutely! And they DESERVE it! Sami hiding his baby and telling him after she was dead is JUST AS CRUEL. And then for Sami and Rafe to say what they said on the pier after the big graveside forgiveness scene is just plain RUDE!

If Nicole can be defended because of the miscarriage, then surely so can EJ when you bring up all that those two bitches did to him. I think he has gone a little bit crazy after all this DRAMA. What man or woman wouldn't!
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michelle
Jan 22 2010, 03:41 PM
Alligato
Jan 22 2010, 02:30 PM
michelle
Jan 22 2010, 01:04 PM
Alligato
Jan 22 2010, 12:12 AM
There is no defending EJ in any of this. At all.
But he can (and will) still be defended!! I know it's like beating a dead horse, but Sami DID this to herself (and so DID Nicole btw. Who marries someone knowing they want someone else anyway - DUMB)!

If Sami was HONEST from the beginning with EJ about the pregnancy, blah, blah, blah, there would have been no baby to kidnap, no relationship with Rafe (she was still crushing on EJ when she left for WPP), EJ wouldn't have gone back to daddy, put the hit on Philip, hid Steph in a morgue drawer, then re-stolen his baby from ex-wife to torture Sami and Rafester and so on and so on and so on.

If anyone has the right to go a little bat shit crazy here and be justified - IT IS EJ!!!



Letting a mother think that their baby is dead and it is all her fault is sadistic. For me, there is no defense to that.
And I am okay with it.
If you need to defend it to make EJami plausable, go for it. They were always a sick couple, so at least it continues.

It was Sami's fault that she was raped, it was Sami's fault that she hid Grace from EJ and now it is Sami's fault that her baby is dead? Don't think so. I can't stand the bitch, but at some point it is a good idea to realize that EJ is fucking with her life to the point of where her decisions are screwed because there isn't a level playing field.
And I just can't blame Sami for all that EJ has done. If we go that way, if EJ would have stayed as a world famous racecar driver away from Salem, none of this would have happened and she could be blissfullly happy with Lucas and their ensuing brood.

No no no. This (my post) was not about Ejami - just about EJ. His actions are defendable to me because of what these two crazy women put HIM through. I'm not saying what he is doing isn't cruel, it is absolutely! And they DESERVE it! Sami hiding his baby and telling him after she was dead is JUST AS CRUEL. And then for Sami and Rafe to say what they said on the pier after the big graveside forgiveness scene is just plain RUDE!

If Nicole can be defended because of the miscarriage, then surely so can EJ when you bring up all that those two bitches did to him. I think he has gone a little bit crazy after all this DRAMA. What man or woman wouldn't!
The EJ's actions are not justifiable, they are cruel and heartless and for his own pleasure.... nothing Sami and Rafe did was for there's. EJ is setting on the mount torturing people just for kicks, what can I say, he's lost it. EJ could have took custody. EJ could have stole the baby, had her taken somewhere else and then followed, he didn't have to torture, he's doing that for his own amusement. Nothing justifys that! I hope he is having a mental breakdown, it's the only justification.
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Sami and Rafe set out to deceive EJ so he is exacting his revenge Dimera style. If Sami and Rafe had gotten their way EJ would never have know about Sami having his child. They would have kept him out of her life and that is equally wrong. They watched him suffer the loss of a child and that little secret started it all, so once he feels Sami has suffered enough he can walk away. And Rafe moving out is just typical of a kid not getting his way. Send his family back to Harmony!
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Jan 22 2010, 03:57 PM
michelle
Jan 22 2010, 03:41 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 02:30 PM
michelle
Jan 22 2010, 01:04 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepwant someone else anyway - DUMB)!

If Sami was HONEST from the beginning with EJ about the pregnancy, blah, blah, blah, there would have been no baby to kidnap, no relationship with Rafe (she was still crushing on EJ when she left for WPP), EJ wouldn't have gone back to daddy, put the hit on Philip, hid Steph in a morgue drawer, then re-stolen his baby from ex-wife to torture Sami and Rafester and so on and so on and so on.

If anyone has the right to go a little bat shit crazy here and be justified - IT IS EJ!!!



Letting a mother think that their baby is dead and it is all her fault is sadistic. For me, there is no defense to that.
And I am okay with it.
If you need to defend it to make EJami plausable, go for it. They were always a sick couple, so at least it continues.

It was Sami's fault that she was raped, it was Sami's fault that she hid Grace from EJ and now it is Sami's fault that her baby is dead? Don't think so. I can't stand the bitch, but at some point it is a good idea to realize that EJ is fucking with her life to the point of where her decisions are screwed because there isn't a level playing field.
And I just can't blame Sami for all that EJ has done. If we go that way, if EJ would have stayed as a world famous racecar driver away from Salem, none of this would have happened and she could be blissfullly happy with Lucas and their ensuing brood.

No no no. This (my post) was not about Ejami - just about EJ. His actions are defendable to me because of what these two crazy women put HIM through. I'm not saying what he is doing isn't cruel, it is absolutely! And they DESERVE it! Sami hiding his baby and telling him after she was dead is JUST AS CRUEL. And then for Sami and Rafe to say what they said on the pier after the big graveside forgiveness scene is just plain RUDE!

If Nicole can be defended because of the miscarriage, then surely so can EJ when you bring up all that those two bitches did to him. I think he has gone a little bit crazy after all this DRAMA. What man or woman wouldn't!
The EJ's actions are not justifiable, they are cruel and heartless and for his own pleasure.... nothing Sami and Rafe did was for there's. EJ is setting on the mount torturing people just for kicks, what can I say, he's lost it. EJ could have took custody. EJ could have stole the baby, had her taken somewhere else and then followed, he didn't have to torture, he's doing that for his own amusement. Nothing justifys that! I hope he is having a mental breakdown, it's the only justification.

AMEN!!!
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Manda1
Jan 22 2010, 02:28 PM
michelle
Jan 22 2010, 01:04 PM
Alligato
Jan 22 2010, 12:12 AM
There is no defending EJ in any of this. At all.
But he can (and will) still be defended!! I know it's like beating a dead horse, but Sami DID this to herself (and so DID Nicole btw. Who marries someone knowing they want someone else anyway - DUMB)!

If Sami was HONEST from the beginning with EJ about the pregnancy, blah, blah, blah, there would have been no baby to kidnap, no relationship with Rafe (she was still crushing on EJ when she left for WPP), EJ wouldn't have gone back to daddy, put the hit on Philip, hid Steph in a morgue drawer, then re-stolen his baby from ex-wife to torture Sami and Rafester and so on and so on and so on.

If anyone has the right to go a little bat shit crazy here and be justified - IT IS EJ!!!



If you're going to start to blame Sami for hiding the pregnancy you'ld have to go back further than that and start to blame EJ for being such a pratt that Sami would consider hiding the baby from him....he already had another woman pregnant too, still tied to his father the list is too long but all roads lead back to EJ IMO!

And I thought they had this big forgiveness scene at the gravside? I told the ejami's it was a load of crappola at the time and they were too busy gushing over 'the chemistry' it was rubbish! :lol: :lol: If a word out of EJ's mouth was true he would NEVER have taken Sydney from Nicole and then hide her from Sami.
EJ is absolutely entitled to be p****d off!! Lets see....

EJ impregnated Nicole after Sami kept telling him to get lost and that LUCAS is the love of her life, and she told him that she would never want him. He liked Nicole. He told Sami that he liked how "she made him feel", because Nicole really liked him in spite of the fact that he was a Dimera, something that Sami never accepted about him to this day.

Sami was pregnant and never told him. So what if he got Nicole pregnant? He had a right to know, even if she never wanted him to be in her life romantically. They shared a very intense and mutual love making night in which they conceived a child. He'd been a good father to BOTH of her twins, even though one was Lucas' (to present - he brought Christmas gifts for both twins so that Allie wouldn't feel left out). He'd moved on, and Sami was peeved. She said as much. She wanted STEPHANO out of her children's lives, not EJ.

Nicole and Stephano treated him like a child. They kept the fact that Sydney is his and Sami's. Nicole never told him that she miscarried their child, even after he told her that he loved her and she could tell him anything. She should have trusted him, but instead she and her accomplice, Stephano, chose to just watch him grieve over Grace, a child that wasn't even his. And Sami told him Grace was his (as much as she knew) AFTER she died. Oh, and he, the father (as he thought), was at the hospital the day Grace died, and was robbed of the last minutes of Grace's life while Sami spent those precious last moments with HER NEW BOYFRIEND after letting EJ leave.

Sami and EJ spent a tender moment at the gravesite where they forgave each other. Sami said that she was sorry about not telling him about Grace and looked like she meant it. Only to tell the same boyfriend who tried to adopt what he thought to be EJ's child that she wished EJ never found out about Sydney so that she and RAFE could raise her together.

The three people that EJ loved most and TRUSTED most hurt him deeply. And he really did nothing to deserve it. He ALWAYS loved his children and that was never debatable. Just recently Sami told him while she watched him play with Johnny "Gee, EJ, you really are a sucker for your children". EJ loving his children has never been debatable on the show, in fact the writers have pointed this out throughout, and emphasize on it regularly.

I ask - how would any feel if the same happened to them? Would they be a little angry? Would they try to keep their children to themselves? Or would they just hand them over to the ex's new significant other?

EJ is entitled. Sydney is HIS child, and Rafe is father to NONE of Sami's children, and more importantly, NONE of EJ's.
Edited by daisy132, Jan 22 2010, 07:57 PM.
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Actually, Nicole didnt treat him like a child. She was his anchor-being there through the Steffy's kidnapping and his hospitalization. She was there where Sami lied to him about Grace. She always made him see all sides to something. When he was stuck about giving DiMeras Enterprises to Vic in trade for his dad, Nicole was the one to give him the confidence to remember what his dad taught him! And he acknowledged it (boy did he EVER- hot couch sex!)

Now even though I dont agree with this part, DAYS wrote that EJ didnt love her when he married her but that he loved her now and loves his family and has been the happiest ever! (This was in the plane to Paris.) This conversation only strengthen Nicole's belief all along that she was second to Sami, so why should she trust that he would go along with her raising Syd? She was in too deep and would never give up that love she so desperately wanted.

Was she messed up in the head for doing that to him-YES! Did EJ prove her doubts were right? YES! Is he in the right to get revenge? Well, he's a DiMera, what did people expect? Using dirty tricks and kids are right up the DiMera gameplan!

As for that cemetery scene- I thought that was all bull. All Sami wanted is for EJ to stop talking about it because then she'll have to be reminded of the shit she pulled. This is classic Sami-she hates it when people bring up her shit...she'll be all accusatory and in shock that said person should have gotten "over it" by now...all the while she eagerly waits for forgiveness and everyone is suppose to comply! FEEL THE PAIN SAMI!!!!!

Edited by Liz<3Days, Jan 22 2010, 11:08 PM.
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Jan 22 2010, 02:45 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 02:28 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 01:04 PM
Alligato
Jan 22 2010, 12:12 AM
There is no defending EJ in any of this. At all.
But he can (and will) still be defended!! I know it's like beating a dead horse, but Sami DID this to herself (and so DID Nicole btw. Who marries someone knowing they want someone else anyway - DUMB)!

If Sami was HONEST from the beginning with EJ about the pregnancy, blah, blah, blah, there would have been no baby to kidnap, no relationship with Rafe (she was still crushing on EJ when she left for WPP), EJ wouldn't have gone back to daddy, put the hit on Philip, hid Steph in a morgue drawer, then re-stolen his baby from ex-wife to torture Sami and Rafester and so on and so on and so on.

If anyone has the right to go a little bat shit crazy here and be justified - IT IS EJ!!!



If you're going to start to blame Sami for hiding the pregnancy you'ld have to go back further than that and start to blame EJ for being such a pratt that Sami would consider hiding the baby from him....he already had another woman pregnant too, still tied to his father the list is too long but all roads lead back to EJ IMO!

And I thought they had this big forgiveness scene at the gravside? I told the ejami's it was a load of crappola at the time and they were too busy gushing over 'the chemistry' it was rubbish! :lol: :lol: If a word out of EJ's mouth was true he would NEVER have taken Sydney from Nicole and then hide her from Sami.
The bottom line is Sami had unprotected sex with EJ and when she found out she was pregnant - didn't tell him. At the time she found out, and when EJ came to see her at the hospital (after Lucas called him) neither of them had any idea that Nicole was pregnant.

If Sami had been truthful from the very beginning everything would be different. EJ is not blameless, particularly at this point in time, but the saga began with Sami sleeping with EJ then choosing to hide her pregnancy from him - a man she clearly cared about but told Lucas she didn't want to choose her 'because of the baby'.
Well, we don't really know that Sami had unprotected sex with EJ. Perhaps her birth control or his didn't work-- just sayin.

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Jan 22 2010, 08:54 PM
Well, we don't really know that Sami had unprotected sex with EJ. Perhaps her birth control or his didn't work-- just sayin.

Birth Control has failed her at least 3 times so far.... :shame:
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Jan 22 2010, 09:03 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 08:54 PM
Well, we don't really know that Sami had unprotected sex with EJ. Perhaps her birth control or his didn't work-- just sayin.

Birth Control has failed her at least 3 times so far.... :shame:
If my birth control failed...THREE TIMES, I would be going to my doctor and saying WTF?

Maybe she buys it at the 99 cents store?LOL
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If my birth control failed...THREE TIMES, I would be going to my doctor and saying WTF?

Maybe she buys it at the 99 cents store?LOL
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

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Jan 22 2010, 08:54 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 02:28 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 01:04 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepwant someone else anyway - DUMB)!

If Sami was HONEST from the beginning with EJ about the pregnancy, blah, blah, blah, there would have been no baby to kidnap, no relationship with Rafe (she was still crushing on EJ when she left for WPP), EJ wouldn't have gone back to daddy, put the hit on Philip, hid Steph in a morgue drawer, then re-stolen his baby from ex-wife to torture Sami and Rafester and so on and so on and so on.

If anyone has the right to go a little bat shit crazy here and be justified - IT IS EJ!!!



If you're going to start to blame Sami for hiding the pregnancy you'ld have to go back further than that and start to blame EJ for being such a pratt that Sami would consider hiding the baby from him....he already had another woman pregnant too, still tied to his father the list is too long but all roads lead back to EJ IMO!

And I thought they had this big forgiveness scene at the gravside? I told the ejami's it was a load of crappola at the time and they were too busy gushing over 'the chemistry' it was rubbish! :lol: :lol: If a word out of EJ's mouth was true he would NEVER have taken Sydney from Nicole and then hide her from Sami.
The bottom line is Sami had unprotected sex with EJ and when she found out she was pregnant - didn't tell him. At the time she found out, and when EJ came to see her at the hospital (after Lucas called him) neither of them had any idea that Nicole was pregnant.

If Sami had been truthful from the very beginning everything would be different. EJ is not blameless, particularly at this point in time, but the saga began with Sami sleeping with EJ then choosing to hide her pregnancy from him - a man she clearly cared about but told Lucas she didn't want to choose her 'because of the baby'.
Well, we don't really know that Sami had unprotected sex with EJ. Perhaps her birth control or his didn't work-- just sayin.

Wow.

You get that these aren't real people...right? :ermm:
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Jan 22 2010, 02:53 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 02:28 PM
if you're going to start to blame Sami for hiding the pregnancy you'ld have to go back further than that and start to blame EJ for being such a pratt that Sami would consider hiding the baby from him....he already had another woman pregnant too, still tied to his father the list is too long but all roads lead back to EJ IMO!

And I thought they had this big forgiveness scene at the gravside? I told the ejami's it was a load of crappola at the time and they were too busy gushing over 'the chemistry' it was rubbish! :lol: :lol: If a word out of EJ's mouth was true he would NEVER have taken Sydney from Nicole and then hide her from Sami.
Oh we can also keep going and say that if Sami didn't act like such a jealous shrew because Nicole was hitting on EJ
then she would not have had unprotected sex to get back at Nicole, so it IS Sami's fault.
But if Lucas didn't shoot EJ in the back, then he wouldn't have gone to prison and left Sami to have to depend on EJ, so it is Lucas' fault.
But if EJ wouldn't have forced Sami and Lucas to divorce by threatening her family, then Lucas wouldn't have shot him, so it is EJ's fault.

This is kind of fun.

But it all comes back to if EJ would just leave Sami the fuck alone and stop trying to make her like him, then she might be kind of happy, would have her happy family and Rafe wouldn't have to move out! :)
God, could one person be more right than you are right now?
Your right if Ej would just leave Sami alone, and stop chasing her. Then maybe, just maybe the woman would have a half way decent life with Rafe and her children. (Didnt James say he wished they wouldnt write Ej always chasing Sami, I wish they would listen to him and stop this stupid storyline with them. It's the same thing year after year.....I say either let Ej finally have her or leave her alone with Rafe. Perferablity with Rafe, since the man has not tried to make her life a miserable hell since he met her. But thats just me....
JMO
Edited by Ljay, Jan 22 2010, 11:38 PM.
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Rafe has grown annoying and unwatchable for me. I can't stand him and keep hoping he'll pack up and get the hell out of Salem!! Would be nice if he took his annoying sister Arianna with him also.
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The man has super sperm. He's shooting 100% from what we've seen and I'm sure Ej sown a few wild oats before he hit Salem.

Yep, we'll be seeing EJ DiMera spawn crawling out of the woodwork for many a year to come........barring cancellation. :ermmmm:
LOL - Halloween Family has started a trend 'round here with the "sowing wild outs" :lol: ! Love it!

I, too, am curious about EJ's super sperm. Seems to knock chicks up on round 1. I'm surprised he didn't take Kate outta menopause.

Anyway, I think I know Kate's new business - she should run a condom company. Lord knows Salem needs it.

ETA: Why all the drama over who Sami's with? Sami is so annoying. I could care less.
Edited by cassie1013, Jan 23 2010, 01:10 AM.
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So I assume Rafe moves into the Pub and they rename it Hacienda Hernandez.
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Liz<3Days
Jan 22 2010, 09:14 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 09:03 PM
magicsteacher
Jan 22 2010, 08:54 PM
Well, we don't really know that Sami had unprotected sex with EJ. Perhaps her birth control or his didn't work-- just sayin.

Birth Control has failed her at least 3 times so far.... :shame:
If my birth control failed...THREE TIMES, I would be going to my doctor and saying WTF?

Maybe she buys it at the 99 cents store?LOL
Birth control failed me too!

i was on the pill, AND the guy wore a condom,
AND

i got pregnant....

so honestly, sometimes it really doesn't work.
dont get me wrong, i love my little cute baby girl,
but damn, two forms of birth control and i still wound up pregnant!
so, just letting you know it can happen hahah ;)
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Jan 23 2010, 02:07 AM
Birth control failed me too!

i was on the pill, AND the guy wore a condom,
AND

i got pregnant....

so honestly, sometimes it really doesn't work.
dont get me wrong, i love my little cute baby girl,
but damn, two forms of birth control and i still wound up pregnant!
so, just letting you know it can happen hahah ;)
:omg:

You must have had sex with EJ DiMera!!! I tell you, his super sperm knows no bounds! :lol:

Congrats on your daughter. You're sure she wasn't switched at birth.......right? :wink:
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

cassie1013
Jan 23 2010, 01:09 AM


I, too, am curious about EJ's super sperm. Seems to knock chicks up on round 1. I'm surprised he didn't take Kate outta menopause.


Ahhh jeezits!!!! :roflol: :roflol:
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