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Crystal Chappell Days Q&A
Topic Started: Jan 25 2010, 01:51 AM (2,552 Views)
lysie
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Jan 25 2010, 11:40 AM
Liz<3Days
Jan 25 2010, 10:32 AM
I this the hate's concentrated on MBs because those of us that care enough to be on MB and seek out other to talk to about DAYS are going to have passionate opinions. A lot of those fans are also "old school" DAYS fans who relate to the "supercouple" formula. They may see this as the end of the "supercouple" road....I can picture this..no more Bope for a while. GT just doesnt seem interested in keeping couples longer then a year..sign of the times.

As for the interview, right now, I dont see Bo, Carly and Hope as equals. Carly has been off the canvas far too long for her to compare herself to Hope in Bos eyes- at least it should be that way. I think thats another reason why people dont like this character.

I also dont buy the explanation about staying with Larry for 15+ years. Her affair would have lasted a year, why stay 14 more? I know people that have been abused sometimes dont get out of a relationship, but 14 years?? I dont see a strong Carly, but a weak one, one that frankly I thought I would be rooting for against Hope. And she's a bit stalkerish when it comes to Melanie-its totally obvious there's a connection and why Vivian hasnt picked up upon it until this past Friday, I have no clue.

CC's here to stay, I just wish they did a better job of introducing her. I wish it would have been something medically related in which she was the "only" specialist and came back to save someone in Salem...have her do that...all in the while, BOPE, are fighting all over the place...maybe it could have been Ciara that was sick and BOPE fighting because this brings up old memories of Zack, and they never dealth with them. Then SLOWLY, you get the flashbacks of Carly escaping Larry, etc.
Respectfully but TOTALLY disagree.
Quality not quantity is more important in a fictional love story. Even in real life people have been know to have stayed many years in a loveless marriage ....and not until they found love did they think about moving on. May not thrill some people, but that's the truth.
Abused woman don't easily leave.....especially when a child might be left behind. It's hard enough for many women in a democracy to get out safely. In a country like Alamainia, where Bo made it clear that it is in a part of the world where , women have no rights, it's almost impossible. And that's true even in REAL LIFE. When folks say why did she just not do it, (even in real life cases) clearly people don't know what it takes to escape the physical and social power men have in many countries.

Carly is a woman who made a bad choice with Lawrence. Not unique, even on DAYS. Hope made a terrible choice with Larry Welch; with Patrick. Kayla made a terrible choice with Jack. Marlena made a terrible choice with Alex North, or Commissioner Gates. The only difference is that they were ONSCREEN so they were given a man to rescue them. Offscreen, no one gets help at all. Why didn't Marlena or Hope or Steve or Roman escape from Stefano all those years? They don't get trashed for not overcoming the power people who were abusing them. But Carly is at fault for not escaping Lawrence????

I see that as unfair and misogynistic. An abused woman is supposed to do it herself less she gets blamed. Unless of course it's a "supercouple female.." Then she has no responsibility and is always rescued by others.
I don't really see how this is the same. Carly made the choice to be there in the first place. None of them did. I don't even blame Carly, though. I just don't see the comparison. I think we've seen plenty of reasons why Carly couldn't get away (his threats to her child, his men would come after her, etc). The others that you listed couldn't get away sometimes because of comas, chains, or mind control but not because they chose not to. The stories, IMO, just aren't similar enough to use them as justification. I think her own reasons stand as good enough justification for her staying and don't make her seem weak.
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TFP.

I hope she sticks around, too. I do disagree with her about whether it would be right to tell Melanie, though. Why let the girl be caught off guard? The show really should look into bringing Nicky back. Just retcon the amount of time that has lapsed between his last visit to Salem to explain him being old enough to have slept with Kate.
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Like I said in my post, women do stay, but in Carly's case (which I dont see the parallel between Marlena, et all...) I see a woman thats weak, not strong. I disagreed with the part of the Q&A where she said that Carly is strong.
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lysie
Jan 25 2010, 12:26 PM
Sam09
Jan 25 2010, 11:40 AM
Liz<3Days
Jan 25 2010, 10:32 AM
I this the hate's concentrated on MBs because those of us that care enough to be on MB and seek out other to talk to about DAYS are going to have passionate opinions. A lot of those fans are also "old school" DAYS fans who relate to the "supercouple" formula. They may see this as the end of the "supercouple" road....I can picture this..no more Bope for a while. GT just doesnt seem interested in keeping couples longer then a year..sign of the times.

As for the interview, right now, I dont see Bo, Carly and Hope as equals. Carly has been off the canvas far too long for her to compare herself to Hope in Bos eyes- at least it should be that way. I think thats another reason why people dont like this character.

I also dont buy the explanation about staying with Larry for 15+ years. Her affair would have lasted a year, why stay 14 more? I know people that have been abused sometimes dont get out of a relationship, but 14 years?? I dont see a strong Carly, but a weak one, one that frankly I thought I would be rooting for against Hope. And she's a bit stalkerish when it comes to Melanie-its totally obvious there's a connection and why Vivian hasnt picked up upon it until this past Friday, I have no clue.

CC's here to stay, I just wish they did a better job of introducing her. I wish it would have been something medically related in which she was the "only" specialist and came back to save someone in Salem...have her do that...all in the while, BOPE, are fighting all over the place...maybe it could have been Ciara that was sick and BOPE fighting because this brings up old memories of Zack, and they never dealth with them. Then SLOWLY, you get the flashbacks of Carly escaping Larry, etc.
Respectfully but TOTALLY disagree.
Quality not quantity is more important in a fictional love story. Even in real life people have been know to have stayed many years in a loveless marriage ....and not until they found love did they think about moving on. May not thrill some people, but that's the truth.
Abused woman don't easily leave.....especially when a child might be left behind. It's hard enough for many women in a democracy to get out safely. In a country like Alamainia, where Bo made it clear that it is in a part of the world where , women have no rights, it's almost impossible. And that's true even in REAL LIFE. When folks say why did she just not do it, (even in real life cases) clearly people don't know what it takes to escape the physical and social power men have in many countries.

Carly is a woman who made a bad choice with Lawrence. Not unique, even on DAYS. Hope made a terrible choice with Larry Welch; with Patrick. Kayla made a terrible choice with Jack. Marlena made a terrible choice with Alex North, or Commissioner Gates. The only difference is that they were ONSCREEN so they were given a man to rescue them. Offscreen, no one gets help at all. Why didn't Marlena or Hope or Steve or Roman escape from Stefano all those years? They don't get trashed for not overcoming the power people who were abusing them. But Carly is at fault for not escaping Lawrence????

I see that as unfair and misogynistic. An abused woman is supposed to do it herself less she gets blamed. Unless of course it's a "supercouple female.." Then she has no responsibility and is always rescued by others.
I don't really see how this is the same. Carly made the choice to be there in the first place. None of them did. I don't even blame Carly, though. I just don't see the comparison. I think we've seen plenty of reasons why Carly couldn't get away (his threats to her child, his men would come after her, etc). The others that you listed couldn't get away sometimes because of comas, chains, or mind control but not because they chose not to. The stories, IMO, just aren't similar enough to use them as justification. I think her own reasons stand as good enough justification for her staying and don't make her seem weak.
What do you mean it's different. Carly made a choice to be with Lawrence. She trusted he would change. He had saved her life, pulled her out of the grave; got their son back from Viv. She was still just coming out of shock and amnesia. So yea she made a bad choice.

I was using the comparisons to show how ridiculous it is to blame the victims. Sorry if that did not come thru....
Of course I don't blame these women for making bad choices in life and men. But they did....and ended up needing to get out of a bad situation and needing help to do so.
No one forced Marlena to be with Chief Gates and there was no amnesia. No one forced Kayla to marry Jack. They made bad, uninformed choices. No one forced Hope to be with Patrick. No way they could predict the future. But they did get out because they had help.....
So I do not get this "she should have done it...." and the "blame the victim" mentality.
It reminds me of the dark ages when women were lamblasted on court for wearing "sexy" clothers; therefore they were "asking for it". This is what happened for much of the world's history. Women were blamed for being raped, for being abused. In 2010 I would hope people would be more enlightened.
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Jan 25 2010, 12:54 PM
lysie
Jan 25 2010, 12:26 PM
Sam09
Jan 25 2010, 11:40 AM
Liz<3Days
Jan 25 2010, 10:32 AM
I this the hate's concentrated on MBs because those of us that care enough to be on MB and seek out other to talk to about DAYS are going to have passionate opinions. A lot of those fans are also "old school" DAYS fans who relate to the "supercouple" formula. They may see this as the end of the "supercouple" road....I can picture this..no more Bope for a while. GT just doesnt seem interested in keeping couples longer then a year..sign of the times.

As for the interview, right now, I dont see Bo, Carly and Hope as equals. Carly has been off the canvas far too long for her to compare herself to Hope in Bos eyes- at least it should be that way. I think thats another reason why people dont like this character.

I also dont buy the explanation about staying with Larry for 15+ years. Her affair would have lasted a year, why stay 14 more? I know people that have been abused sometimes dont get out of a relationship, but 14 years?? I dont see a strong Carly, but a weak one, one that frankly I thought I would be rooting for against Hope. And she's a bit stalkerish when it comes to Melanie-its totally obvious there's a connection and why Vivian hasnt picked up upon it until this past Friday, I have no clue.

CC's here to stay, I just wish they did a better job of introducing her. I wish it would have been something medically related in which she was the "only" specialist and came back to save someone in Salem...have her do that...all in the while, BOPE, are fighting all over the place...maybe it could have been Ciara that was sick and BOPE fighting because this brings up old memories of Zack, and they never dealth with them. Then SLOWLY, you get the flashbacks of Carly escaping Larry, etc.
Respectfully but TOTALLY disagree.
Quality not quantity is more important in a fictional love story. Even in real life people have been know to have stayed many years in a loveless marriage ....and not until they found love did they think about moving on. May not thrill some people, but that's the truth.
Abused woman don't easily leave.....especially when a child might be left behind. It's hard enough for many women in a democracy to get out safely. In a country like Alamainia, where Bo made it clear that it is in a part of the world where , women have no rights, it's almost impossible. And that's true even in REAL LIFE. When folks say why did she just not do it, (even in real life cases) clearly people don't know what it takes to escape the physical and social power men have in many countries.

Carly is a woman who made a bad choice with Lawrence. Not unique, even on DAYS. Hope made a terrible choice with Larry Welch; with Patrick. Kayla made a terrible choice with Jack. Marlena made a terrible choice with Alex North, or Commissioner Gates. The only difference is that they were ONSCREEN so they were given a man to rescue them. Offscreen, no one gets help at all. Why didn't Marlena or Hope or Steve or Roman escape from Stefano all those years? They don't get trashed for not overcoming the power people who were abusing them. But Carly is at fault for not escaping Lawrence????

I see that as unfair and misogynistic. An abused woman is supposed to do it herself less she gets blamed. Unless of course it's a "supercouple female.." Then she has no responsibility and is always rescued by others.
I don't really see how this is the same. Carly made the choice to be there in the first place. None of them did. I don't even blame Carly, though. I just don't see the comparison. I think we've seen plenty of reasons why Carly couldn't get away (his threats to her child, his men would come after her, etc). The others that you listed couldn't get away sometimes because of comas, chains, or mind control but not because they chose not to. The stories, IMO, just aren't similar enough to use them as justification. I think her own reasons stand as good enough justification for her staying and don't make her seem weak.
What do you mean it's different. Carly made a choice to be with Lawrence. She trusted he would change. He had saved her life, pulled her out of the grave; got their son back from Viv. She was still just coming out of shock and amnesia. So yea she made a bad choice.

I was using the comparisons to show how ridiculous it is to blame the victims. Sorry if that did not come thru....
Of course I don't blame these women for making bad choices in life and men. But they did....and ended up needing to get out of a bad situation and needing help to do so.
No one forced Marlena to be with Chief Gates and there was no amnesia. No one forced Kayla to marry Jack. They made bad, uninformed choices. No one forced Hope to be with Patrick. No way they could predict the future. But they did get out because they had help.....
So I do not get this "she should have done it...." and the "blame the victim" mentality.
It reminds me of the dark ages when women were lamblasted on court for wearing "sexy" clothers; therefore they were "asking for it". This is what happened for much of the world's history. Women were blamed for being raped, for being abused. In 2010 I would hope people would be more enlightened.
Are you talking about Richard Cates? Because she wasn't his victim. He wasn't abusive to her. I agree that victim blaming is wrong, but again I don't see the comparisons with the stories you're using. Carly isn't less weak because the other women weren't weak in their stories. I don't find her particularly weak (at least not until lately), but I just don't find any of these stories at all similar.
Edited by lysie, Jan 25 2010, 01:13 PM.
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Like I said in my post, women do stay, but in Carly's case (which I dont see the parallel between Marlena, et all...) I see a woman thats weak, not strong. I disagreed with the part of the Q&A where she said that Carly is strong.
I think the weak act might either be a manipulation of Bo or she's starting to come unglued psychologically and about ready to snap.
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Jan 25 2010, 12:49 PM
Like I said in my post, women do stay, but in Carly's case (which I dont see the parallel between Marlena, et all...) I see a woman thats weak, not strong. I disagreed with the part of the Q&A where she said that Carly is strong.
I guess I don't understand how you expected Carly to get out? Lawrence had all the power.She couldn't have ran away with Melanie when she was born because she had no money.Lawrence got her money when they married.Not to mention there was Nikki to think about.If Carly had ran with Melanie then when Lawrence found her it would have been worse.
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Jan 25 2010, 01:23 PM
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Like I said in my post, women do stay, but in Carly's case (which I dont see the parallel between Marlena, et all...) I see a woman thats weak, not strong. I disagreed with the part of the Q&A where she said that Carly is strong.
I guess I don't understand how you expected Carly to get out? Lawrence had all the power.She couldn't have ran away with Melanie when she was born because she had no money.Lawrence got her money when they married.Not to mention there was Nikki to think about.If Carly had ran with Melanie then when Lawrence found her it would have been worse.
I never disagreed with why she left. I guess I didnt make myself clear. I dont see her as a strong character, and can understand why people are put upon that this woman came back from 16+ years and w/in 3 months, gotten Bo to say he ha feelings for her and sleep with her.

Like I said in my first post, I would have liked a better SL then this one.

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I think we are going to get a stronger Carly in her worry of Melanie in Vivian's clutches. Carly will do anything to protect her daughter from Vivian. I agree she has been weak quite a bit since her return. However, as Bo said her momma bear instinct has kicked in and I hope to see Carly on a more level playing field with Vivian.
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Like I said in my post, women do stay, but in Carly's case (which I dont see the parallel between Marlena, et all...) I see a woman thats weak, not strong. I disagreed with the part of the Q&A where she said that Carly is strong.
How?

How does a women in a country where females have no rights, where threats of her child's death are used against her, where she has a son she would probably not leave, just leave?
Explain....
Once again, Alamainia is not a democracy, not a part of the legal system here. Brute force is power. Money is power.
Lawrence had both the brute physical forced to stop her from just trying to run (with people who worked for him); he was obviously more physically powerful. No safe house. How would she leave without killing him? And while her son was still a teen would she do that? Would any woman?
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Jan 25 2010, 12:26 PM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepQuality not quantity is more important in a fictional love story. Even in real life people have been know to have stayed many years in a loveless marriage ....and not until they found love did they think about moving on. May not thrill some people, but that's the truth.
Abused woman don't easily leave.....especially when a child might be left behind. It's hard enough for many women in a democracy to get out safely. In a country like Alamainia, where Bo made it clear that it is in a part of the world where , women have no rights, it's almost impossible. And that's true even in REAL LIFE. When folks say why did she just not do it, (even in real life cases) clearly people don't know what it takes to escape the physical and social power men have in many countries.

Carly is a woman who made a bad choice with Lawrence. Not unique, even on DAYS. Hope made a terrible choice with Larry Welch; with Patrick. Kayla made a terrible choice with Jack. Marlena made a terrible choice with Alex North, or Commissioner Gates. The only difference is that they were ONSCREEN so they were given a man to rescue them. Offscreen, no one gets help at all. Why didn't Marlena or Hope or Steve or Roman escape from Stefano all those years? They don't get trashed for not overcoming the power people who were abusing them. But Carly is at fault for not escaping Lawrence????

I see that as unfair and misogynistic. An abused woman is supposed to do it herself less she gets blamed. Unless of course it's a "supercouple female.." Then she has no responsibility and is always rescued by others.
I don't really see how this is the same. Carly made the choice to be there in the first place. None of them did. I don't even blame Carly, though. I just don't see the comparison. I think we've seen plenty of reasons why Carly couldn't get away (his threats to her child, his men would come after her, etc). The others that you listed couldn't get away sometimes because of comas, chains, or mind control but not because they chose not to. The stories, IMO, just aren't similar enough to use them as justification. I think her own reasons stand as good enough justification for her staying and don't make her seem weak.
What do you mean it's different. Carly made a choice to be with Lawrence. She trusted he would change. He had saved her life, pulled her out of the grave; got their son back from Viv. She was still just coming out of shock and amnesia. So yea she made a bad choice.

I was using the comparisons to show how ridiculous it is to blame the victims. Sorry if that did not come thru....
Of course I don't blame these women for making bad choices in life and men. But they did....and ended up needing to get out of a bad situation and needing help to do so.
No one forced Marlena to be with Chief Gates and there was no amnesia. No one forced Kayla to marry Jack. They made bad, uninformed choices. No one forced Hope to be with Patrick. No way they could predict the future. But they did get out because they had help.....
So I do not get this "she should have done it...." and the "blame the victim" mentality.
It reminds me of the dark ages when women were lamblasted on court for wearing "sexy" clothers; therefore they were "asking for it". This is what happened for much of the world's history. Women were blamed for being raped, for being abused. In 2010 I would hope people would be more enlightened.
Are you talking about Richard Cates? Because she wasn't his victim. He wasn't abusive to her. I agree that victim blaming is wrong, but again I don't see the comparisons with the stories you're using. Carly isn't less weak because the other women weren't weak in their stories. I don't find her particularly weak (at least not until lately), but I just don't find any of these stories at all similar.
You are missing my point. Let me try....again.
I am not saying the other women were weak. I am saying there is a double standard. Carly, the victim, is being blamed for her own abuse and for not escaping it. Kayla, Marlena, Kim, Hope all were in situations where violence against them happened or was possible in the future. Should they be blamed? NO!!! But, the counter I have heard is this: they got away from it. Carly CHOSE to stay.

Carly is not the only woman in Salem who made a bad choice.
But before the violence turned on them, or got too bad, they recognized it, and escaped, with the help of others.

Carly recognized it but had no help.
So yea, I still contend Carly is being unfairly judged (not by you) by some because she did not get away from Lawrence; or because she chose a bad guy she deserved what she got. The comparison is about being responsible for one's choices....
saying an abuse victim is responsible is beyond ignorant.
Saying anyone deserves abuse because either they made a bad choice, or because they did not escape from the abuser right away, is just wrong. The comparison is that if one says Carly deserved abuse for choosing the wrong man, then the other deserved whatever whenever they trusted someone who was unsavory. Instead, tho', the others got out of it either before abuse happened, or right after one incident of abuse. Why? Because they were stronger than Carly? I contend they had help.....Carly did not. Most abused women need help....either a safe house, a friend with financial resources.....transportation. That's all I am saying.
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I have to disagree, Tim. You are applying reason to a DAYS casting decision in your argument that they'd never let CC go. Reason doesn't apply to this show. LOL.
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Jan 25 2010, 12:49 PM
Like I said in my post, women do stay, but in Carly's case (which I dont see the parallel between Marlena, et all...) I see a woman thats weak, not strong. I disagreed with the part of the Q&A where she said that Carly is strong.
How?

How does a women in a country where females have no rights, where threats of her child's death are used against her, where she has a son she would probably not leave, just leave?
Explain....
Once again, Alamainia is not a democracy, not a part of the legal system here. Brute force is power. Money is power.
Lawrence had both the brute physical forced to stop her from just trying to run (with people who worked for him); he was obviously more physically powerful. No safe house. How would she leave without killing him? And while her son was still a teen would she do that? Would any woman?
You are missing the conent of my whole post and nic-pick at ONE SENTENCE due to your over-zealousness in defending Carly.

My whole post was taking about the "hatred" of the character of Carly...is was NOT whether she should have stayed or gone with Lawrence and the rights of abused women.

I can see the point of those that hate Carly for coming in and breaking up BOPE's fragile marriage. Its just the last supercouple falling apart and DAYS breaking away from a long standing tradition.

But...I'll EXPLAIN...as so rudely commanded me to....

First off, is Alamainia even real? Do we know whether Lawrence had such a strangehold of Carly where she couldnt escape until now? I didnt know you knew the soci-political make-up of such country? And....ITS A SOAP...THEY CAN MAKE ANYTHING UP!!!!

BTW..Her son Nicolas wasnt a teen when he was last in Salem.

I like debate, but you fail to see the other side and it ends up people attacking others for questioning PLOT POINT WRITING.

Don't worry Carly will be liked...give it some time....when you break up a supercouple, there's bound to be fallout.

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I don't think Carly is weak for staying with Lawrence under the circumstances that the writers have presented us with. The problem that the writers can't get around is that Carly looks like an idiot for leaving with Lawrence in the first place. CC and her fans can rationalize it all they want as a result of the departures of MS and CC from the show. And they can talk about how it had everything to do with Nicholas, etc., and not Lawrence. I get it, I sympathize with it, but it doesn't change the fact that Carly willingly left town with a man who had raped her best friend, tried to kill the man she claimed to love, succeeded in killing somebody else, and had not been remotely redeemed for any of those acts. Like it or not, it's a little harder to sympathize with someone who puts herself willingly into the hands of a man she knows (or by any reasonable measure should know) is capable of all kinds of heinous crimes.

For all the comparisons to Marlena, Kayla, and Hope, I don't think the stories are remotely similar. Kayla had no reason to know that Jack might turn violent and, to the best of my knowledge, neither did Marlena or Hope in their situations. They may have made bad choices but they didn't knowingly enter into relationships with violent people.

Now, before I get told that I'm blaming the victim, let me make myself clear. Carly's idiotic choice DOES NOT excuse or justify Lawrence's actions. But, it's not something to be ignored either. If the show was smart (snort!) it would simply address that problem by having Carly acknowledge she was wrong and that her decision to leave was brought on by her mixed-up emotions following her near death and amnesia, etc. That would go a long way towards fixing the problem.
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Jan 25 2010, 05:04 PM
I don't think Carly is weak for staying with Lawrence under the circumstances that the writers have presented us with. The problem that the writers can't get around is that Carly looks like an idiot for leaving with Lawrence in the first place. CC and her fans can rationalize it all they want as a result of the departures of MS and CC from the show. And they can talk about how it had everything to do with Nicholas, etc., and not Lawrence. I get it, I sympathize with it, but it doesn't change the fact that Carly willingly left town with a man who had raped her best friend, tried to kill the man she claimed to love, succeeded in killing somebody else, and had not been remotely redeemed for any of those acts. Like it or not, it's a little harder to sympathize with someone who puts herself willingly into the hands of a man she knows (or by any reasonable measure should know) is capable of all kinds of heinous crimes.

For all the comparisons to Marlena, Kayla, and Hope, I don't think the stories are remotely similar. Kayla had no reason to know that Jack might turn violent and, to the best of my knowledge, neither did Marlena or Hope in their situations. They may have made bad choices but they didn't knowingly enter into relationships with violent people.

Now, before I get told that I'm blaming the victim, let me make myself clear. Carly's idiotic choice DOES NOT excuse or justify Lawrence's actions. But, it's not something to be ignored either. If the show was smart (snort!) it would simply address that problem by having Carly acknowledge she was wrong and that her decision to leave was brought on by her mixed-up emotions following her near death and amnesia, etc. That would go a long way towards fixing the problem.
ITA! Good post!
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Jan 25 2010, 05:04 PM
I don't think Carly is weak for staying with Lawrence under the circumstances that the writers have presented us with. The problem that the writers can't get around is that Carly looks like an idiot for leaving with Lawrence in the first place. CC and her fans can rationalize it all they want as a result of the departures of MS and CC from the show. And they can talk about how it had everything to do with Nicholas, etc., and not Lawrence. I get it, I sympathize with it, but it doesn't change the fact that Carly willingly left town with a man who had raped her best friend, tried to kill the man she claimed to love, succeeded in killing somebody else, and had not been remotely redeemed for any of those acts. Like it or not, it's a little harder to sympathize with someone who puts herself willingly into the hands of a man she knows (or by any reasonable measure should know) is capable of all kinds of heinous crimes.

For all the comparisons to Marlena, Kayla, and Hope, I don't think the stories are remotely similar. Kayla had no reason to know that Jack might turn violent and, to the best of my knowledge, neither did Marlena or Hope in their situations. They may have made bad choices but they didn't knowingly enter into relationships with violent people.

Now, before I get told that I'm blaming the victim, let me make myself clear. Carly's idiotic choice DOES NOT excuse or justify Lawrence's actions. But, it's not something to be ignored either. If the show was smart (snort!) it would simply address that problem by having Carly acknowledge she was wrong and that her decision to leave was brought on by her mixed-up emotions following her near death and amnesia, etc. That would go a long way towards fixing the problem.
This is a great post. I think CC likes playing flawed characters. She played Olivia on GL for 10 years and that character was very complex. It sounds as if CC was drawn to the fact that yes, Carly did make mistakes and is not perfect or a soap heroine. However, the writing has to be there to support and I'd love a scene as you said where Carly admits leaving with Lawrence so many years ago was a big mistake.
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Jan 25 2010, 04:27 PM
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Jan 25 2010, 02:57 PM
Liz<3Days
Jan 25 2010, 12:49 PM
Like I said in my post, women do stay, but in Carly's case (which I dont see the parallel between Marlena, et all...) I see a woman thats weak, not strong. I disagreed with the part of the Q&A where she said that Carly is strong.
How?

How does a women in a country where females have no rights, where threats of her child's death are used against her, where she has a son she would probably not leave, just leave?
Explain....
Once again, Alamainia is not a democracy, not a part of the legal system here. Brute force is power. Money is power.
Lawrence had both the brute physical forced to stop her from just trying to run (with people who worked for him); he was obviously more physically powerful. No safe house. How would she leave without killing him? And while her son was still a teen would she do that? Would any woman?
You are missing the conent of my whole post and nic-pick at ONE SENTENCE due to your over-zealousness in defending Carly.

My whole post was taking about the "hatred" of the character of Carly...is was NOT whether she should have stayed or gone with Lawrence and the rights of abused women.

I can see the point of those that hate Carly for coming in and breaking up BOPE's fragile marriage. Its just the last supercouple falling apart and DAYS breaking away from a long standing tradition.

But...I'll EXPLAIN...as so rudely commanded me to....

First off, is Alamainia even real? Do we know whether Lawrence had such a strangehold of Carly where she couldnt escape until now? I didnt know you knew the soci-political make-up of such country? And....ITS A SOAP...THEY CAN MAKE ANYTHING UP!!!!

BTW..Her son Nicolas wasnt a teen when he was last in Salem.

I like debate, but you fail to see the other side and it ends up people attacking others for questioning PLOT POINT WRITING.

Don't worry Carly will be liked...give it some time....when you break up a supercouple, there's bound to be fallout.

:popcorn: :applause:
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I like this actress. I think she is quite good. I also think she is very pretty. However, I feel they are over exposing her. It seems like everything now is all about her. DOOLS often does this and I just burn out on the actors they do it too.
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Crystal's not going anywhere! Unless she wants to leave, which I doubt it since her story is about to go in a new direction! ;) I hope people actually read what Crystal was saying here because she was dropping little hints! :rolleyes: This is still a Bo & Hope story! :smooch: And Carly will have plenty to do while that part of the story begins to play itself out! :cheer: I think it will be good stuff for everyone concerned! :dance:
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Jan 25 2010, 02:27 AM
They won't let her go. I'm not even convinced Bope will survive this, to be honest. Sure, if the show were to end in the near future (which I doubt), then Bope would be reunited but I do think they may be looking to take them in new directions for the time being. Just the sense I get.

CC's too popular (the show knew she was a hot commodity when they brought her back) and the fact that they bothered to test her with other characters/love interests (Rafe briefly, Justin, Daniel) and connected her to Melanie tells me they have an interest in keeping her on even if her story with Bo comes to an end soon. If they just brought her back and made her about nothing but Bo, then I would be a bit more concerned.

I would be more concerned about LS depending on how they handle this revenge plot. Sure, the show did a good job of integrating LK, JM, and JA into many plots this past year but LS is all about revenge on Carly and her daughter. Her and Victor aren't really anything beyond partners in crime and her relationship with Philip I can't see being enough to keep her on should they go too far with her. She's one I can see going pretty quickly, if anyone.
As long as Carly stays away from bo at the end I'm fine with that! But I have no worries about LS! She too is also a hot commodity. Vivian torturing Carly is a joy to watch. It was back in the 90s and it still is today, which is why corday invited both actresses back. Their on screen chemistry together is nostalgic!!! But in the end I just hope that Lawrence returns.
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