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Topic Started: Jan 16 2010, 08:29 PM (7,255 Views)
jane1978


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Jan 20 2010, 01:05 PM
luvpumpkns
Jan 20 2010, 11:55 AM
sam09
Jan 20 2010, 10:30 AM
So I can't agree that because Mel did not show it. Mel's party girl 'tude, stealing and general brat behavior can be associated with abuse. Doesn't mean that all selfish, brat behavior means abuse but sometimes it truly is a cover.

i'm not really sure that the show intended for melanie to be an abuse victim right off the bat. she was just too damn gleeful about cheating innocent people out of their money. and as was mentioned above, she was shocked and angry when her father arranged for her date with the guy he owed money to. later, when she accused him of trying to trade her for sex, he swore up and down that he had no idea the guy wanted anything more than dinner and drinks. that doesn't sound like the behavior of a guy that has been pimping his daughter out for years. so i also have a hard time buying that this was a regular occurrence when onscreen, it was written and played like that was the first time trent ever tried to trade his daughter for sex.
Exactly. I know that backstories are often changed to one degree or another, but it's usually not so blatantly inconsistent with what we actually saw onscreen. The problem isn't that Melanie's gleeful scamming of guys and party girl persona are inconsistent with an abusive childhood. The problem is that Melanie's new backstory or a lifetime of being used and pimped out by daddy is completely 100% inconsistent with the way the whole thing played out with the scummy guy in France.

And when the retconned backstory is supposed to be the reason why I, as a viewer, forgive Melanie for any and all bad things that she does to anybody and everybody, then the backstory better well make sense and actually make me sympathetic to her. When it doesn't make sense, is inconsistent with what actually happened, AND results in characters I do like being thrown under the bus, it causes me to be very, very irritated and very, very unsympathetic.
As someone above said her story was rewriten very early after she hit the screen. It was in the middle of the whole Scott/Higley/Tomlin/Whittesel switch and very little from that period makes any sense. Still, Iīm not sure how her initial France introduction is anyway contradicting what she is saying now. (except some details here and there) Trent was not proud he is using his daughter that way. And it wasnīt everyday occurence, more like an exception when things went really bad with his gambling. And meantime Mel could easily live a nice life of a spoiled selfish girl with daddy giving her whatever she wants and very tainted morals.

Thatīs IMO very realistic because there is a lot of young girls who tape porn or shoot hardcore photoshoots or even sell herselves as prostitutes but thatīs only a few days in a month and the rest of time they are spending the money, going to parties and having fun. We can reasonably assume doing favors for Trentīs rich older friends was a very rare thing. Most of the time she was more like a nice distraction, being sweet and flirty with his older friends and accompanying daddy on his European casino raids. Only when she grew older she realized what she is asking to do is wrong and thatīs probably why she was send to a boarding school in France. She was no longer usable or controllable.

There is also explanation for the pimping thing which doesnīt have to mean she really slept with all the guys. I donīt want to be crude, but there is a lot of kinds of "favors" young girl like Mel could do for his friends without going all the way or even sexual at all. Of course, itīs reasonable to assume as she grew older the friends wanted more and more thus when Trent got really desperate he finally promissed she will have sex with one of them this time and that was the scene we saw.
Edited by jane1978, Jan 20 2010, 02:32 PM.
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Jan 20 2010, 02:30 PM
As someone above said her story was rewriten very early after she hit the screen. It was in the middle of the whole Scott/Higley/Tomlin/Whittesel switch and very little from that period makes any sense. Still, Iīm not sure how her initial France introduction is anyway contradicting what she is saying now. (except some details here and there) Trent was not proud he is using his daughter that way. And it wasnīt everyday occurence, more like an exception when things went really bad with his gambling. And meantime Mel could easily live a nice life of a spoiled selfish girl with daddy giving her whatever she wants and very tainted morals.

As they say, the devil is in the details. It's contradictory because the details of what we saw don't match the horror stories of growing up with Trent that we are now supposed to believe. The other problem is that there is no explanation for Melanie's sudden change in her view of her pre-Salem life. There has never been a moment of self-reflection where she smacks herself on her forehead and says "gee, all this time I was scamming guys for money, manipulating people, and hurting anybody who got in my way -- that was wrong, wrong, wrong." She just went from Premeir Party Girl, gold-digger, manipulator to "reformed" bad girl in about a day. And, I'm sorry, it just doesn't work for me.
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Maybe it's just me, but I think Melanie is a more compelling character *without* the added in victim background. I'd be much more willing to by Melanie is a good-digging con artist who originally set her sights on Philip due to his money (her traditional MO), yet found herself shocked to actually develop feelings for him (and yet doubting those feelings because of his money). Meanwhile, Melanie's need and desire for a typical, normal, stable family influence her attraction to Nathan (whom she sees as the embodiment of good ol' Horton family values). Of course, Melanie subconciously doubts her ability to deserve that kind of happiness, which causes her to push Nathan away. If the writers were to play on this, we could actually show some sort of deep, emotional conflict in Melanie as she struggles with what she knows, what she wants, who she is, who she was, and who she really wants to be.
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I am in a pissy mood, so maybe this influences my opinion of the show today...But Today's show was painfully boring...And slighty obnoxious.

I think I had the urge to throw gas on every single character and light a match.

POOF! There goes Salem!

My God Melanie is a stupid idiot. I hate that...I am so freaking cute...Let me smile way too big and wrinkle my nose...Let me talk slow like a toddler, because its sooooo cute! *Throws Gas Lights Match*

Bo...Bo Freaking Brady...Really Bo? Really? Are you trying to make the whole town light torches and chase Carly down with pitch forks.?What stupid thing for you to tell Phillip...What a stupid thing to tell Phillip while Viv was listening.*Throws Gas Lights Match*

Mia...Enough of the crying. You are flooding the town. *Throws Gas Lights Match*

I am not even going to go into the sydnapping sl. *Throws Gas on everyone involved and Lights Match*


This show was just sucky.

The only thing worth while was the whole Viv and Hope convo. I liked seeing Hope snap and snarl.

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Jan 20 2010, 02:58 PM
Bo...Bo Freaking Brady...Really Bo? Really? Are you trying to make the whole town light torches and chase Carly down with pitch forks.?What stupid thing for you to tell Phillip...What a stupid thing to tell Phillip while Viv was listening.*Throws Gas Lights Match*
I wasn't paying close attention to the show yesterday, but I thought that Bo knew Vivian was listening and purposefully said that to divert attention away from Vivian thinking Carly had some other secret, i.e. her long lost bitchy brat Melanie. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean though and your point is that knowing Viv was listening he should have said something less stupid, in which case ITA. I haven't seen today's show yet either so I'm just basing this off yesterday's show.
Edited by Paxton, Jan 20 2010, 03:02 PM.
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Jan 20 2010, 03:02 PM
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Jan 20 2010, 02:58 PM
Bo...Bo Freaking Brady...Really Bo? Really? Are you trying to make the whole town light torches and chase Carly down with pitch forks.?What stupid thing for you to tell Phillip...What a stupid thing to tell Phillip while Viv was listening.*Throws Gas Lights Match*
I wasn't paying close attention to the show yesterday, but I thought that Bo knew Vivian was listening and purposefully said that to divert attention away from Vivian thinking Carly had some other secret, i.e. her long lost bitchy brat Melanie. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean though and your point is that knowing Viv was listening he should have said something less stupid, in which case ITA. I haven't seen today's show yet either so I'm just basing this off yesterday's show.
Oh, he knew she was there...I just think it was the most absurd lie he could have made up. It did nothing, but hurt Hope more and will surely turn even more ppl against Carly. He didn't do anyone any favors.
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Jan 20 2010, 03:05 PM
Oh, he knew she was there...I just think it was the most absurd lie he could have made up. It did nothing, but hurt Hope more and will surely turn even more ppl against Carly. He didn't do anyone any favors.
Gotcha. We're on the same page then.
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^ I should add that Viv ran off and told Hope Bo's lie right away in today's epi. Poor Hope.
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jane1978


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Jan 20 2010, 02:38 PM
jane1978
Jan 20 2010, 02:30 PM
As someone above said her story was rewriten very early after she hit the screen. It was in the middle of the whole Scott/Higley/Tomlin/Whittesel switch and very little from that period makes any sense. Still, Iīm not sure how her initial France introduction is anyway contradicting what she is saying now. (except some details here and there) Trent was not proud he is using his daughter that way. And it wasnīt everyday occurence, more like an exception when things went really bad with his gambling. And meantime Mel could easily live a nice life of a spoiled selfish girl with daddy giving her whatever she wants and very tainted morals.

As they say, the devil is in the details. It's contradictory because the details of what we saw don't match the horror stories of growing up with Trent that we are now supposed to believe. The other problem is that there is no explanation for Melanie's sudden change in her view of her pre-Salem life. There has never been a moment of self-reflection where she smacks herself on her forehead and says "gee, all this time I was scamming guys for money, manipulating people, and hurting anybody who got in my way -- that was wrong, wrong, wrong." She just went from Premeir Party Girl, gold-digger, manipulator to "reformed" bad girl in about a day. And, I'm sorry, it just doesn't work for me.
I donīt know, but being 15 or 16 and having to spend time with a bunch of 40+ drinking gamblers who are asking me to dance for them or sit on their laps while they try to slap me on the but seems pretty horror to me. Maybe not at the time, especially if I never experienced anything else, but certainly later looking back and realizing how wrong it all was, yuck! And as I said, things probably went worse with time and how Mel grew older.
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esp13
Jan 20 2010, 10:30 AM
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Jan 20 2010, 09:57 AM
Mel/Carly scene when she came to get her coat was touching. I am a sucker for tears and bad childhood stories. Other than that, they are really laying it on thick having Mel act so obnoxiously.
I'm a sucker for bad childhood stories too, but I have a hard time when the new backstory doesn't fit the one I actually saw onscreen. Before Melanie ever appeared, there were scenes of Trent talking to her on the phone about how she was spending all of his money and doing the irritated but indulgent parent thing. Then there was her "Premier Party Girl" video blog where she talked about partying all over France. Then there was the scamming of rich guys for money and stealing from her classmates. Then, suddenly, there was Trent's request that she go out with some scummy guy as a favor to him. Nothing about that scene came across like this was a regular activity for Melanie. She was scared and shocked when the scummy guy apparently wasn't satisfied with dinner and a drink. She certainly didn't act like being pimped about by Trent was something she'd been dealing with for years.

I'm not saying Trent was a good father, but it irritates me that all of Melanie's sins are forgiven because of a "bad childhood" that is completely inconsistent with anything that was shown onscreen when the character was first introduced. /rant
To me Melanies history has been very consistant and seems plausible. I've had friends who are very open about their abusive childhoods and saw cases during my training as a nurse and while working on the floor. One of my friends told me that her father escalated things to intercourse at 10 then vowed to stop, professing his love as a father to her and how sorry he was about this, it would never happen again then at age 16 he tried again. She was shocked because she thought he was sincere but she said in hingsight she thinks he made the vow because he almost was caught. She had lots of brothers and sisters and all of them dealt/dealing with it differently. My friend is very sexual, loves having it but her sister is frigid, some of the others live their lives hopped up on drugs lying, cheating and stealing, some never speak to their mother and my friend seethes with resentment towards her mother but lives and dies by what her mom thinks.
Edited by Halloween Family, Jan 20 2010, 03:25 PM.
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Jan 20 2010, 03:05 PM
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Jan 20 2010, 03:02 PM
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Jan 20 2010, 02:58 PM
Bo...Bo Freaking Brady...Really Bo? Really? Are you trying to make the whole town light torches and chase Carly down with pitch forks.?What stupid thing for you to tell Phillip...What a stupid thing to tell Phillip while Viv was listening.*Throws Gas Lights Match*
I wasn't paying close attention to the show yesterday, but I thought that Bo knew Vivian was listening and purposefully said that to divert attention away from Vivian thinking Carly had some other secret, i.e. her long lost bitchy brat Melanie. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean though and your point is that knowing Viv was listening he should have said something less stupid, in which case ITA. I haven't seen today's show yet either so I'm just basing this off yesterday's show.
Oh, he knew she was there...I just think it was the most absurd lie he could have made up. It did nothing, but hurt Hope more and will surely turn even more ppl against Carly. He didn't do anyone any favors.
Yea, but we keep hearing how fair, opened minded and what a great cop is.....
you know, as she told Sami and Bo, if only she had been allowed to follow her instincts, Ciara would have no trauma.

So maybe detective Hope, will smell a plant.
Oh wait, victim Hope always, always wins out over smart, instincts are great, gets promoted over others Hope cuz she can't seem to save herself from a kidnapping ever, so I'm not sure why anyone things she could rescue anyone else.

So you are right, poor victim Hope will run to Justin.
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Itīs time to send Justin packing. I hate these guys who are playing the best friends while secretly hoping to finally score. He is like Frankie during Jackīs last death period. Just always waiting for a moment when Hope is weak enough to worm his way in.

Iīm all for Hope to have another guy donīt take me wrong. But she needs some real strong guy who will sweep her off her feets and show her life can be fun again, not this parody of an insurance agent. And Justin is so pathetic. Couldnīt Hope made it clearer she is not interested and just looking for a confort? Yet he has to kiss her.
Edited by jane1978, Jan 20 2010, 03:54 PM.
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Jan 20 2010, 02:54 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I think Melanie is a more compelling character *without* the added in victim background. I'd be much more willing to by Melanie is a good-digging con artist who originally set her sights on Philip due to his money (her traditional MO), yet found herself shocked to actually develop feelings for him (and yet doubting those feelings because of his money). Meanwhile, Melanie's need and desire for a typical, normal, stable family influence her attraction to Nathan (whom she sees as the embodiment of good ol' Horton family values). Of course, Melanie subconciously doubts her ability to deserve that kind of happiness, which causes her to push Nathan away. If the writers were to play on this, we could actually show some sort of deep, emotional conflict in Melanie as she struggles with what she knows, what she wants, who she is, who she was, and who she really wants to be.
If only we could get that type of forethought developed in any character, veteran or not, on this show. It seems they can only write beyond generalizations for one character at a time.
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Jan 20 2010, 03:29 PM
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Jan 20 2010, 03:05 PM
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Jan 20 2010, 03:02 PM
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Jan 20 2010, 02:58 PM
Bo...Bo Freaking Brady...Really Bo? Really? Are you trying to make the whole town light torches and chase Carly down with pitch forks.?What stupid thing for you to tell Phillip...What a stupid thing to tell Phillip while Viv was listening.*Throws Gas Lights Match*
I wasn't paying close attention to the show yesterday, but I thought that Bo knew Vivian was listening and purposefully said that to divert attention away from Vivian thinking Carly had some other secret, i.e. her long lost bitchy brat Melanie. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean though and your point is that knowing Viv was listening he should have said something less stupid, in which case ITA. I haven't seen today's show yet either so I'm just basing this off yesterday's show.
Oh, he knew she was there...I just think it was the most absurd lie he could have made up. It did nothing, but hurt Hope more and will surely turn even more ppl against Carly. He didn't do anyone any favors.
Yea, but we keep hearing how fair, opened minded and what a great cop is.....
you know, as she told Sami and Bo, if only she had been allowed to follow her instincts, Ciara would have no trauma.

Could that be any more random :shrug:



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I can't stand Hope. She is so whiny.
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Jan 20 2010, 03:53 PM
Itīs time to send Justin packing. I hate these guys who are playing the best friends while secretly hoping to finally score. He is like Frankie during Jackīs last death period. Just always waiting for a moment when Hope is weak enough to worm his way in.

Iīm all for Hope to have another guy donīt take me wrong. But she needs some real strong guy who will sweep her off her feets and show her life can be fun again, not this parody of an insurance agent. And Justin is so pathetic. Couldnīt Hope made it clearer she is not interested and just looking for a confort? Yet he has to kiss her.
I agree with you. Justin's beyond annoying now. I hate how they have written him. He is pathetic now and not to mention sleezy.
Did not like Justin throwing himself on Hope like that. That kiss was soo awkward! There is no chemistry between these two. The look like brother and sister. That kiss was revolting! It was worse then Bo and Carly's! I think Hope had more chemistry with Patrick then Justin and I hated Patrick!
They need to send him back to Adrienne!
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Jan 20 2010, 02:58 PM
I am in a pissy mood, so maybe this influences my opinion of the show today...But Today's show was painfully boring...And slighty obnoxious.

I think I had the urge to throw gas on every single character and light a match.

POOF! There goes Salem!

My God Melanie is a stupid idiot. I hate that...I am so freaking cute...Let me smile way too big and wrinkle my nose...Let me talk slow like a toddler, because its sooooo cute! *Throws Gas Lights Match*

Bo...Bo Freaking Brady...Really Bo? Really? Are you trying to make the whole town light torches and chase Carly down with pitch forks.?What stupid thing for you to tell Phillip...What a stupid thing to tell Phillip while Viv was listening.*Throws Gas Lights Match*

Mia...Enough of the crying. You are flooding the town. *Throws Gas Lights Match*

I am not even going to go into the sydnapping sl. *Throws Gas on everyone involved and Lights Match*


This show was just sucky.

The only thing worth while was the whole Viv and Hope convo. I liked seeing Hope snap and snarl.

I'll just co-sign when it comes to your description of today's show. I wish I hadn't even bothered to watch.
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Jan 20 2010, 02:25 PM
FYI, you just changed your story to "she was responsible for Victor finding out" now that you couldn't prove that "Victor was able to get Hope to admit Carly was indeed back in town". Apples and Oranges is all I'm saying.

and your point? the fact of the matter remains that hope was responsible for victor finding out that carly was in town, not bo, as you claimed. the rest is just semantics.
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Jan 20 2010, 09:57 AM
Tuesday

Flashbacks that happened yesterday are a NO NO but the one of Lawrence and Carly giving birth was good. I appreciated them making MS' hair darker and shorter to make him younger looking. I was all ready to be shocked in awed in a good way because people seemed offended. I just couldn't take it seriously enough to be offended. I think it's good when Days takes risks but like Cassie said it was too cartoonish. I don't remember Lawrence like this back in the day (damn, he was good looking), I see too much JT Cornell now which is not necessarily awful, I liked JT but it seems like a step backwards. I didn't know they were married IRL, talk about therapeutic role playing.

It's funny you mention Lawrence being like JT Cornell. I thought the same thing and didn't really like it. Like you and others have said it was too cartoonish.
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I'm so sick of Melanie- her attitude and judgments towards everyone is damn annoying. I really need to STFU and go away. I wanted Bo to tell the bitch off. She has no room to be judgmental about others when her past is not so perfect either. I loathe that little bitch. I wish that Vivian would get rid of that annoying bitch. And MB is not impressing me at as an actress.

Bo was an ass today, I mean I understand why he's doing whats he doing, but it is not making things any better for anyone involved.

Vivian still annoys the shit out of me. I wanted Hope to slap her silly today.

I'm so sick of the kidnapping story. I do not feel sorry for Sami at all. She is annoying the tart of me. And EJ is an ass for what he's doing though. Baby Sydney would be better off with Anna, Nicole and Stefano.

Rafe bores me.

And the teens are so tiresome. Mia can take her jealously and tears and leave town. I hate her.

The only things I enjoyed was Justin/Philip and Justin/Hope.
We need more Justin/Philip scenes. I would love to see these two team up in business. I think it would be fun to see them go up against Victor.

As for Justin/Hope- I know I'm in the minority on this one- but I really like them together. And I liked their kiss today. I want more. I'm glad that Justin was there to comfort Hope. The thing what I like about them is that there is NO agenda between them. They are honest of where their feelings are for each other. And I certainly like to see more of them and go further with them. I don't certainly see them being the worst couple on this show.

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