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| IMissAremid | Jan 21 2010, 01:53 AM Post #281 |
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After all... tomorrow is another day!
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I could deal for Hope somehow getting mixed up with/seduced by a surprisingly alive Lawrence. If bitch didn't know about what Carly's hubby was like (and that he raped her cousin/BFF Jennifer and "killed" her BFF Kayla's hubby, Steve) maybe they wouldn't even need to make her an amnesiac to make it work. |
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| AlisonLou | Jan 21 2010, 07:53 AM Post #282 |
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Ewww! No I do not want to see Lawrence with Hope. He really hasn't aged very well. He doesn't look hot enough to be paired with Hope. Daniel and Hope I could go for. Providing it's done right and only a short term thing. |
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| AlisonLou | Jan 21 2010, 08:12 AM Post #283 |
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees no chemistry between these two. They should of chemistry tested these two before they even considered having them kiss. They should go the Justin and Carly route. There's more chemistry with these two. Justin and Hope are good as friends. It should be left that way. As for Bo and Carly they really are getting a bit stale and boring now. I wish they would have Hope fight for her man instead of having her run to Justin. I don't get their writing for Hope. They are writing her so out of character. Why would she believe Bo's stupid story? The old Hope wouldn't have believed it. They are also writing Bo out of character too! Bo would never have hurt Hope like that. They seem to be making Bo an idiot. Remeber that bitchslap/punch Hope gave Billie? Why can't they have Hope do the same to Carly? Might make the show more interesting! They need to bring that fiesty Hope back! |
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| Harmony233 | Jan 21 2010, 08:33 AM Post #284 |
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That might be interesting although I find it hard to believe that hope wouldn't know any of that stuff though about Lawrence but on the other hand they have Carly talking about Lawrence like he was some saint before he got sick and talking about what a monster he turned into. |
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| sungrey | Jan 21 2010, 09:19 AM Post #285 |
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Paging Judi Evans, STAT. Adrienne needs to come reclaim Justin. |
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| Kenny | Jan 21 2010, 11:21 AM Post #286 |
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I'm getting really frustrated with the Vivian/Carly/Melanie/Bo/Hope storyline. The scenes are too short, the story as a whole is choppy and I feel like we're missing too many "character" scenes. There's something missing -- perhaps a common thread tying it all together. I'm not sure. Either way, it's all about "da plot" and everything else is falling to the wayside. Characters are being written strangely... things are happening at odd times and it's paced strangely... the writing as a whole is just odd and disjointed. |
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| IMissAremid | Jan 21 2010, 11:25 AM Post #287 |
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I know I am a broken record on this, but for me the problem is WISHY WASHY characters. |
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| TINA222 | Jan 21 2010, 11:27 AM Post #288 |
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Phillip looks like he stole Chuck Norris's rug. What is up with that flippy thing in the back?? |
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| dc cubs | Jan 21 2010, 11:28 AM Post #289 |
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I find almost all the scenes on Days are too short and agree it makes it choppy. It seems as if there are about 12-15 people on each episode. I wish they would cut that back to 8-10 and give the characters that are on longer scenes. I wonder if this has to do with the no rehearsal time. If the actors only have one take to get it right there is less chance of forgetting a line with short scenes. |
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| karmakatch63 | Jan 21 2010, 11:33 AM Post #290 |
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I don't get JKJ's hair either. He is a good looking man. He has lousy hair....he needs a buzz. It's that simple. To get away with long hair, (every woman knows this) you need good hair. Not everyone has it. |
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| karmakatch63 | Jan 21 2010, 11:44 AM Post #291 |
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Yes, they need to do a better job. Give Hope a chance to talk with someone other than Viv and Victor about Carly. I want Hope to hear from Caroline, or Maggie, or someone who knew Carly what she really meant to them, to Bo, when Hope was dead. I want them to tell her "you do know that Carly pulled ShawnD out of that well.....worked with him when he lost his hearing and comforted him when Bo was dying. And oh yea, she saved Bo's life." For me it's hard to not judge Hope harshly because I am assuming she KNOWS that Carly saved both ShawnD and Bo. If she doesn't know, why? And why isn't someone telling her? Or bring Kayla back for a visit and let Kayla be a Brady who does not automatically blame Bo for everything, and have her question Hope's reasoning for leaving Bo. Kay or anyone (Maggie, Julie, Caroine) can certainly show Bo some anger and disappointment for his deciding to sleep with Carly, but dammit, not if they do not address Hope's treatment of Bo, her leaving him, blaming him for the kidnapping, Ciara's trauma. As well, I want someone ( Brady would be my first choice) to tell Melanie to back off judging Carly...that Carly was there for his mother, was her best friend and according to his father, was a good and loyal friend to Izzy. I also want someone to tell Melanie that Viv buried Carly alive, and I want Melanie and Phillip to show a little more disturbance knowing Viv stole embryo Phillip. If Melanie or Hope do not know these things, then all their reactions, frustration, anger, hurt, jealousy, fear are meaningless. How can I judge their reactions if I do not know how much knowledge they have and from whom they received such knowledge. |
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| lysie | Jan 21 2010, 11:49 AM Post #292 |
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I wonder if Brady knows. Carly has been gone since he was an infant and she wasn't exactly able to stay in touch. Edited by lysie, Jan 21 2010, 11:50 AM.
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| Red Mist | Jan 21 2010, 11:53 AM Post #293 |
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:laugh: Walker Salem Ranger |
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| duckie | Jan 21 2010, 11:58 AM Post #294 |
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She may not have been able to keep in touch with Brady, but his father could have told him. Or Marlena. Or Bo himself. Bo is his godfather. I mean, I recognize that once Carly left the show, they pretty much pretended that she never existed, but these details could be brought up now to flesh out the place this character had in the history of the show. And they really did happen, so it's not they're creating a fake backstory like they would be with Nathan who just basically showed up one day. |
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| karmakatch63 | Jan 21 2010, 12:01 PM Post #295 |
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Yes but Brady has a father and Marlena. They named their child, his sister, after his mother. Surely it's not that out there to believe a child would have questions about his mother, her life, her death. Surely there are pictures. Surely he knows Carly is his godmother. Edited by karmakatch63, Jan 21 2010, 12:02 PM.
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| lysie | Jan 21 2010, 12:03 PM Post #296 |
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I know it's not a fake backstory. I just wonder if he knows. In the past I've never been given a reason to believe he does, and now that she's back I haven't been given a reason to fill in that blank. It wouldn't be unusual for them to have not really mentioned her just as it wouldn't be unusual for them to have told him everything. Families handle absences like that, especially after a death, differently. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Jan 21 2010, 12:04 PM Post #297 |
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I don't think what is missing is the length of scenes. Many of the Bope breakup/fight/talking scenes have been lengthy by Days or any soap's current standards. Some of them have been as long as 4 minutes. The Carly/Melanie scene the other day was of decent length too. I think the show has done a good job playing the beats but where it does need to improve IMO is that we need to see the same sort of focus the baby switch story got as far as development. To me, I'm seeing the same sort of development as I did with that story only it's taken a bit longer for it to come together in a neat little package. The first few months of the baby switch were slow and you felt as thought there was a dynamic that was being ignored or not utilized. I'm not quite sure what changed. maybe Tony's death or EJ and Nicole's wedding did it. I don't know. Whatever it was, the story just all of a sudden started clicking on all cylinders and it never looked back. I'm still waiting for that moment with the Bo/Hope/Carly/Vivian/Melanie/etc plot. I think they are handling it fine. The beats are being played. The character work has been very good IMO. I guess it just needs to be amped up in some way. Maybe the upcoming big sweeps event is what will do that and really give birth to the bigger story. It could just be the beginning of the really heavy stuff, just like EJ and Nicole's wedding and/or Tony's death. I just think there needs to be something BIG to bring it all together and what is coming could be it. |
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| Kenny | Jan 21 2010, 12:08 PM Post #298 |
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It's just difficult to invest in a story when the scenes are so short. The filler scenes seem to go on and on forever, but when something happens that I'm actually interested in watching, the scenes last 30 - 45 seconds, max. For example, those scenes with Carly and Vivian in the elevator -- way too short. That would've been a great opportunity for Carly and Vivian to have a nice long chat about their history together... for Carly to express how her years of trauma have changed her... for Vivian to explain why Lawrence meant so much to her and why she was so affected by his loss. That would've allowed the new viewers to better understand the Carly/Vivian dynamic and invest in the story, but no. Instead, it was all about "da plot." The bare minimum. Vivian scared Carly into a confession and that was that -- nothing more. Another opportunity for a deeper conversation was missed. Very touch-and-go. Choppy. Quick. Blink and you miss it. The scenes were over before anyone got a chance to care what was happening, and that's upsetting. I find it very frustrating that Carly and Vivian have shared maybe ten minutes of total screen time together since they returned to the show in October. That's just crazy to me. Their dynamic NEEDS to be explored more. Then there's the Bo/Carly dynamic. Why is that not being explored? All they ever do is talk about "da plot" and nothing else. They never talk about the past or how each of them have changed over the years and why. We don't get any "moments." The plot is never put on pause for a moment or two so we can have some low-key character scenes or deeper conversations. I mean, Carly supposedly loves this man but you'd never know it based on the dialogue. It's all plot, plot, plot. And after months of running in circles, suddenly they're in bed together, which was hot, but whaaaa...? Then there's Vivian. This woman has murdered people, yet she's panicked over a silly little restraining order? Since when does Vivian care about obeying the law? She would never wring her hands over something as trivial as that. It's not Carly she's after anyway -- it's her daughter. So what gives? It's stupid shit like this that makes me roll my eyes. Then there's Melanie's silly hatred of Carly. So contrived. So manufactured. So forced. In every scene that they share, I find myself feeling very critical because it's so over-written and over-crafted. It's too convenient. Too forced. Up until now, Carly and Melanie have barely had anything to do with each other, yet all of a sudden they're constantly crossing paths and bumping into each other? Whatever. I'm also sick of all the contrived misunderstandings and miscommunications. Like Bo telling Phillip that Carly came back to Salem just to steal him from Hope. That's so stupid to me. I understand that Bo wants to help Carly, but would he really twist the knife that much for Hope just to confuse Vivian? I say no. There comes a time when the collateral damage just isn't worth it and the characters start looking like fools for making such silly decisions. Bo could've said that Carly back to Salem for anything. He could've said that Carly came back to Salem in search of an elusive priceless gem. At least that would've piqued Vivian's interest and sent her on a wild goose chase to get the gem before Carly, LoL. The explanation Bo gave was just stupid and contrived. Just... ugh. The whole thing is so shoddily written. This writing team sucks. |
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| Kenny | Jan 21 2010, 12:16 PM Post #299 |
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Yeah, that's another thing. It doesn't feel like the story is building towards anything. We know that things are going to happen based on recent spoilers, but that's not how it feels on screen. It feels like the characters are just randomly shifting around the screen and chasing their tails in a circular motion. Every day it's status quo. Ho-hum. It doesn't feel high-stakes enough. It doesn't feel must-see. I wish the writers would give Carly and Vivian the same kind of character-focus writing that they gave Nicole last year. Show their motivations... show their goals... show them in action. So far it's all talk, talk, talk -- and quick talk at that. It all feels stagnant and disjointed and I'm still not sure that the writers have given new viewers enough reason to care about these characters in the first place. |
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| Mirage75 | Jan 21 2010, 12:22 PM Post #300 |
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ITA Kenny! The scenes are way too short. It's like that only 1/4 of the story is being told with the short scenes. It's ridiculous. And many of the scenes are just becoming very repetitive. Of course I have issues with only one side of the story being told and other sides being ignored or used as props for others. And I just down right loathe the idea of having Melanie front and center in the whole Justin/Hope/Carly/Bo/Victor, etc... story anyway. I wish we could have more character stories instead of just the "the plot" stuff. Edited by Mirage75, Jan 21 2010, 12:25 PM.
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