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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 16 2010, 08:29 PM (7,250 Views) | |
| karmakatch63 | Jan 21 2010, 04:28 PM Post #341 |
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I am sure if Bo had died, Hope would have fallen in love again, unless KA did not want to work. Bo fell in love because Hope was dead. A reality in life that the soaps never actually want to address, (because they got so into bringing back characters from the dead) is the young widows/widowers, the healthy one, do fall in love after the loss of their spouse. It's a good thing and a thing that relatives, even the deceased one's relatives, cheer about. Hope's family was happy for Bo when he fell in love with Carly. They pushed it...Alice, Tom, even Julie. It sucks that only Vic's pov is ever heard. IMO, what DAYS are failing miserably on with Hope is this. The kind of woman Hope is supposed to be, the kind of love she and Bo were supposed to share, would not make her seem so unhappy that Bo fell in love again when she was dead. Her immediate hatred of Carly, before there as a kiss or lovemaking, was really unfair and negative writing for Hope and for women in general. Because none of us will ever experience a loved one returning from the dead, the real emotions cannot be examined within ourselves. However, having known people who were dying, my best friend in particular, it is clear to me, the deeper the love, the more the person wants the one they are leaving behind to love again. As her best friend she wanted me to make sure her husband was able to move on (after a reasonable grieving time); she made me promise to not let him feel guilty about loving someone else. I promised. And he did. A year and half later he met someone; they fell in love. Then he called me and he and new girlfriend were having problems because she could not compete with a dead person. His guilt was in the way. I reminded him, and reiterated to him what she had told me before she died. Anyway, I truly want DAYS writers to write Hope as understanding why Bo loved again, as opposed to the martyr, proud of never loving another and disappointed as if Bo did something wrong by loving again. JMO |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Jan 21 2010, 04:41 PM Post #342 |
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And TPTB think that because a large number of fans indicate that is what they want and many times the TPTB misinterpret that and go about that the wrong way. For instance, in the past ten years there has been a high decree of complaints about things being dragged out. I can't tell you how many times I've read a long array of complaints on the net from people who want things to get a move on and find episodes that feature character interactions and good character work scenes "boring." I wonder how those people felt in the 80's when it took a couple eons to get together or in the 90's when stories went on for YEARS (just like in the 70's). Then, here today I see people asking for the very things many claim are boring. What are TPTB supposed to do with that? The wants and needs of those on the message boards often flip flop. Granted, not everyone is like that. You do get consistency but a large amount of the internet community are just as wishy washy as they accuse some of the characters on the show of. I'm not saying the show shouldn't try to do the things being asked for. I'm just speaking to the reasoning behind why they may not be doing as much of it as they probably should. And I maintain that it wouldn't make much of an impact beyond fans on message boards. Bring some of the issues in this thread to someone who doesn't step foot on a message board and they would probably look at you like you have three heads, roll their eyes, and just to go back to watching the show. Believe me, I've tried that. I often watch the show at work in the break room and I've watched it with friends and family elsewhere too. I bring up certain things like "Oh, they mentioned Frankie" or "That scene was so intense and I loved the mention of Hope and Bo's past marriage issues" and I get looked at like I'm a martian. Someone mentioned in another thread how many also look back on the past with the belief that it was better. However, was it really that much better? It's hard to tell. Each decade has featured change of some sort. For example, the 80's was all about supercouples and adventure. I often look back at the past and feel as thought the writing isn't that much better. The situation behind the scenes is definitely better so you do have more sets, better production (in some cases), etc. However, the story structure isn't much different. The pacing is really the biggest difference because most soaps move very fast now. Days is kind of a hybrid of the modern pace of soaps and the past pace and I think that is pretty smart. You have to go with what works in the present time. So many of us are used to soaps the way they were as we grew up with them and the way they were the first few years or so when we got hooked and that makes it hard to accept what we see today. It's hard for me to watch a youtube clip of the show in the 80's or even the 2000's and then watch the current show and it doesn't even have as much to do with quality as it does I would love to relive those times. I guess what I'm saying is I take no issue in the issues being brought about in this thread. I'm just pointing out how times have changed and expecting any show to do what it did years ago is something that is just setting up disappointment for people and I do think that is what people want. They want those kind of touches and I just don't think they will get them, at least not at the sort of consistency that they are desired. And I can't say I blame TPTB because if it ain't broke, you don't fix it. It's a ratings game, pure and simple. That doesn't mean you ignore the fans but you have to strike a balance. Are they doing that? I think they are but they can do better. |
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| uclan | Jan 21 2010, 04:46 PM Post #343 |
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Me, being an average viewer, cares about those things. I notice bad hair (Philip), make-up (oramge-gloe, Brady, Dr. Dan, Chloe), OTT acting (Sami almost every time shes on screen). But I don't post on message boads often or wrtite to TPTB and complain. But I do notice and it makes a difference if I tune in today or watch on DVR on the weekend. I care about the story and the characters. I've watched for over 20 years and while I like Bo & Carly, it pains me to see how Hope is being written just to move a plot along. |
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| Halloween Family | Jan 21 2010, 06:07 PM Post #344 |
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Wed Show Melanie looked pretty, hair makeup and wardrobe was good. I need a stiff drink to get threw these Melanie scenes of late. Sami looked nice too. I'd like to give EJ credit for driving this wedge intentional or not between Safe by using similarities in Bope's kidnapping. When Hope came to see Bo and Carly was there, I felt so bad for Hope. Bo seemed cruel for not telling her but then again if Melanie's life would be in danger I guess Hope's feeling are trumped. I understand Bo not trusting Hope with the secret with the way Victor weaseled info out of Hope but I feel like the lesser of two evils is just tell her because something like this can make a person snap and there's not telling how they are going to react. Loved that she threw down the picture. I also liked the line where Bo says to Carly "she made her bed, now she has to lay in it." Hope saying that Bo thought about Carly and was in love with Carly for Bope's whole marriage was a quantum leap for sure. The way I saw the Justin/Hope kiss was Hope is the one who initiated, she feels like shit about herself right now, she probablly just wants to feel desired. It was almost like she was testing the waters with Justin in the sense that yes 'I've got him wrapped around my finger, just wanted to make sure'. Now the kiss itself. As someone who is not Justin's biggest fan considering the smirking, acting like a little bitch, his asexuality, and the last kiss seeming like siblings smooching; I knew the swaying factor was going to be KA. It was a GOOD kiss. KA is a great actress!!! ETA: Phillip's hair looks so bad. It's taken on a new form of bad it so shitty looking. The back looks so dirty, it could get up and walk away. Edited by Halloween Family, Jan 21 2010, 06:19 PM.
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| mer4santo | Jan 21 2010, 06:22 PM Post #345 |
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Not only that, but I think it makes a huge difference to anyone watching and PR's broad generalization of the ignorance of the viewing audience is reminiscent of tptb. No wonder they do nothing to improve the quality. With the quality of cable programming production at higher levels than ever the general viewership knows what good production, ward robing, lighting and writing look and sound like, we/they aren't as silly as we'd/they'd like to think. Edited by mer4santo, Jan 21 2010, 06:28 PM.
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| mer4santo | Jan 21 2010, 06:43 PM Post #346 |
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Today I saw the sweevil EJ that I fell in love with. No apologies, I like when he has a plan to manipulate butt I'd like it better if I understood his motives. I'm also very happy to see that wardrobe coughed up a few coins and got JS a suit that fits him. Julie is always welcome in my book but I'm extremely tired of Hope's neverending pity party. Get up or shut up Schmancy Face. The teen scene needs to be completely eradicated. Does Mia even serve a purpose any longer? Do I care if the kids are going on a rad vacation to the uber expensive and exclusive Olympics? No, I think not. I dig Viv befriending Melanie, that was fun but her stylist clearly did not know she was outfitting a woman in her teens. oh snap. Bo/Carly....zzzzz, let's get this story moving again. Did I see shades of Samantha Gene today? Methinks so. ETA: I NEVER want to see little Syd cry again. It pained me to the bone, and proved what a great actress both of those twins really are. Edited by mer4santo, Jan 21 2010, 06:44 PM.
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| Kenny | Jan 21 2010, 06:45 PM Post #347 |
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I was glad to see Sami not acting so Stepford Wife-y, but I've had enough of her ranting and screeching to last a lifetime. |
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| mer4santo | Jan 21 2010, 06:52 PM Post #348 |
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agreed. In line with Alligato's assessment, the biggest fault in EJ's plan to cause suffering is that it Sami's little bit of suffering causes us all to suffer a whole lot. |
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| Paxton | Jan 21 2010, 06:54 PM Post #349 |
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I certainly wouldn't describe Sami's temper tantrum today as any sign of independent thinking. She's just having another man instead of Rafe doing the thinking for her, stupidly, as she'll ultimately learn. |
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| Eric83 | Jan 21 2010, 07:00 PM Post #350 |
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"Relax nobody's having sex.... at least not yet"
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I loved what Sami said to Rafe at the end of today's episode :wub: Everything was boring drivel, but Daniel looks hot in the previews for tomorrow's episode. :lol: |
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| cassie1013 | Jan 21 2010, 08:45 PM Post #351 |
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Which is why I've pretty much been yelling from roof tops that she needs to be with someone else, in a legitimate relationship (and this Justin thing is so half-assed). |
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| pspcindy | Jan 21 2010, 08:49 PM Post #352 |
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Although I think Philip and Mel have chemistry, the duo is a mismatch to me. And poor JKJ's hair is veering into the horrid mop territory that EJ was sporting last year. How much trouble is it to give the guy's a clip to neaten up their look? Viv befriending Melanie would be sweet if we didn't know that she is more than willing to kill her where she stands when she finds out that she is Carly's daughter. How sad is it that Melanie has never known a mother's love and attention and now that Vivian is giving her a taste of that, Melanie has no clue what Vivian is really capable of? But LS is absolutely delicious as the unrepentant villainess bent on her mission. I love seeing more of Julie but this Hope angst bores me. I'm tired of it. We all know the almighty plot has set up Hope to be the unsympathetic one in this phase of the story but still if she had only been so keen to have her man before Carly came back, things would be vastly different. Love, love, love EJ in charge. Even when things veer off course, he is still quick on his feet and planning his next move. I even love his thirst to make Sami suffer. It makes such sense. Even though he still loves her, though has not realized it, he has the need to show her what she did to him. Despite their history, EJ trusted Sami and when he found out what she had done in regard to his child, something in him died. This charade has the side benefit of making Rafe look not so shiny in Sami's eyes. I love that almost as much. Sami finally articulating that Sydney is NOT Rafe's daughter was music to my ears. This guy needs to realize that Sami's children have fathers and don't need him playing daddy. Finally my hate for Stephanie continues unabated. This character is just a mess that never seems to be resolved. First she was a rebellious slut, the daddy's perfect princess, Philip's in thrall bedmate and now she is this backstabbing, devious girl going after a guy who wants another girl. I really wish tptb would send Stephanie to live with Steve and Kayla. Bring in some unrelated young women and refresh the dating pool of Salem. |
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| Eric83 | Jan 21 2010, 08:50 PM Post #353 |
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Speaking of Stephanie.... What in the HELL was she wearing today? My eyes may have been fooling me but that looked like some shit from the 80's. |
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| Q Steph | Jan 21 2010, 08:58 PM Post #354 |
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Put your hands up for Obama
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E.J. is so mean. This rapist just will never stop victimizing Sami. Why is Stephanie cool with Melanie marrying Phillip? Weren't they just engaged? |
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| Halloween Family | Jan 21 2010, 09:27 PM Post #355 |
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I totally could see Hope sowing her wild oats with Chad. They would be EPIC. |
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| cassie1013 | Jan 21 2010, 10:03 PM Post #356 |
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:lol: HAHAHA, omg. I think Kristian Alfonso would be so insulted, she'd refuse, LOL. And hey, I'm all for younger, but let's keep 'em legal here LOL. Edited by cassie1013, Jan 21 2010, 10:03 PM.
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| Eric83 | Jan 21 2010, 10:06 PM Post #357 |
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LOL, who cares. If incest can be accepted, anything can. :lol: |
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| Liz<3Days | Jan 21 2010, 10:23 PM Post #358 |
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Looks like DAYS dusted off the COBSY SHOW wardrobe for Stephanie's sweater! LOL Do they even make those kinds of sweaters? DAYS has been BLAH for me all week. I debate whether to watch or not because I dont care about any of these characters. Once I turn on my DVR, then I can get through it..sad thought! I did like the little Viv and Mel bonding and the dress shopping. It was light and who cares that Viv has ulterior motives. Glad that someone did something with CC's hair...looks good! Sydney's sick....hmmm, wonder if this leads into another installment of the SL that WOULDNT END!!!!! |
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| Kenny | Jan 21 2010, 10:29 PM Post #359 |
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I wish they would give her an up 'do for a change. She's been back on the show for 4+ months now and she hasn't worn her hair up once. It's kind of strange, because during her original run Carly's hair was almost always pulled back. Now it's always down and stringy and in her face. Crystal has such striking facial features and I think they pop even more when her hair is up/back. Posted Image |
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| Eric83 | Jan 21 2010, 10:29 PM Post #360 |
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Who woulda thought almost 2 years ago that we would be here? This shit can be traced all the way back to EJole elevator sex, I really NEED this to be over. I can't take it much longer. |
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