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DrewHamilton
Jan 22 2010, 03:43 PM
Kenny
Jan 22 2010, 02:39 PM
How many times are EJ and Anna going to have the same conversation over and over again? I'm bored with it. I can't believe they brought back Leann Hunley for this shit. Just once I'd like to see her on a different set. Maybe Anna could take Sydney into town for something. Anything to get them out of that damn cabin.
And that would also give us some new suspense moments. Have Sydney catch a fever and Anna has to take her into town with her to the pharmacy because Benny, the guy stationed outside by EJ, is unable to watch Sydney for whatever reason. Anna takes Sydney into town with her, but keeps them both disguised. It just so happens that Allie or Johnny come down with a cold as well and needs medicine, which causes Sami to also go the pharmacy. Do you know how much suspense we could get in those scenes? And it doesn't even have to end there. Just let it be a fakeout. Anna spots Sami and quickly dodges out of the phamacy, allowing the storyline to continue. It sure as hell would beat what we're seeing now. But no, instead, we get the same conversations over and over again. And that's why people complain about a stoyline lasting longer than three months. Back in the day, you would see things like what I described above happen, which keeps the storyline juicy, but allows it to continue for as long as the writer needs.
And then people would complain about more fakeouts and junk that does nothing to move story forward.

The show is damned if they do and damned if they don't, which is why I think they are very selective in what they take from message boards now. Before, they would see the complaints and try to please as many people as possible and that led to inconsistency all over the place. Now, they stick to their guns and pick and choose what they take into consideration.

The show is also a on a budget and has to limit set usage so I'm sure that is a factor. The story is clearly moving slower for a reason (most likely due to Ari Zucker's leave) but, as Jane pointed out, there is still plenty going on at a pretty decent pace. Sydney was kidnapped by Nicole at the end of November. A week later, Anna kidnapped her. Two weeks later, Anna was revealed as having her. EJ was revealed as the mastermind two weeks ago. The whole random note thing is already out in the open. Sydney is now sick. There is some stuff coming next week that moves the story along and the conversations with EJ and Anna the past two days have shed some light on what EJ intends to do, which is most likely to keep Sydney away from everyone else. The kidnapping plot will be two months old next week and all this has happened and yet the story is referred to as repetitive and slow?

Oh what I would've given to have known how people reacted to soaps in the 70's, 80's and 90's if the internet were around. That would've been a blast.

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Dear Show -

You are making me unhappy with your poorly paced, WTF, story lines where characters we know are behaving in ways that we know they shouldn't, your repetitive dialogue which reveals nothing new in an altogether mundane way and your craptastic hair and wardrobe making all of the pretty people fugly.

I know it's not all about me but if our relationship is going to work you need to realize it's not all about you either.

love,
mer4santo
Edited by mer4santo, Jan 22 2010, 03:56 PM.
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PhoenixRising05
Jan 22 2010, 03:55 PM
DrewHamilton
Jan 22 2010, 03:43 PM
Kenny
Jan 22 2010, 02:39 PM
How many times are EJ and Anna going to have the same conversation over and over again? I'm bored with it. I can't believe they brought back Leann Hunley for this shit. Just once I'd like to see her on a different set. Maybe Anna could take Sydney into town for something. Anything to get them out of that damn cabin.
And that would also give us some new suspense moments. Have Sydney catch a fever and Anna has to take her into town with her to the pharmacy because Benny, the guy stationed outside by EJ, is unable to watch Sydney for whatever reason. Anna takes Sydney into town with her, but keeps them both disguised. It just so happens that Allie or Johnny come down with a cold as well and needs medicine, which causes Sami to also go the pharmacy. Do you know how much suspense we could get in those scenes? And it doesn't even have to end there. Just let it be a fakeout. Anna spots Sami and quickly dodges out of the phamacy, allowing the storyline to continue. It sure as hell would beat what we're seeing now. But no, instead, we get the same conversations over and over again. And that's why people complain about a stoyline lasting longer than three months. Back in the day, you would see things like what I described above happen, which keeps the storyline juicy, but allows it to continue for as long as the writer needs.
And then people would complain about more fakeouts and junk that does nothing to move story forward.

The show is damned if they do and damned if they don't, which is why I think they are very selective in what they take from message boards now. Before, they would see the complaints and try to please as many people as possible and that led to inconsistency all over the place. Now, they stick to their guns and pick and choose what they take into consideration.

The show is also a on a budget and has to limit set usage so I'm sure that is a factor.
Your defense for this show really cracks me up. I thought we were once applauding Tomlin for him using so many different sets in one episode? Isn't that what made him better than Ed Scott? He was able to throw together several sets in one episode. He was being praised for that just a little bit ago. I still see it, so I don't buy that as an excuse at all. It's funny how it can be used as an excuse in one instance, but as a defense in another. PICK A DAMN SIDE! :lol:

As for people complaining about the fakeouts WHO GIVES A DAMN?! I'm looking out for my entertainment and mine alone. That would satisfy me. It would give me something new to look forward to. And when I'm not satisfied, I'm going to voice it. I don't give a fuck about what other people complain about. And I'm not quite sure why you do either.
Edited by DrewHamilton, Jan 22 2010, 04:02 PM.
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DrewHamilton
Jan 22 2010, 03:59 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 03:55 PM
DrewHamilton
Jan 22 2010, 03:43 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 02:39 PM
How many times are EJ and Anna going to have the same conversation over and over again? I'm bored with it. I can't believe they brought back Leann Hunley for this shit. Just once I'd like to see her on a different set. Maybe Anna could take Sydney into town for something. Anything to get them out of that damn cabin.
And that would also give us some new suspense moments. Have Sydney catch a fever and Anna has to take her into town with her to the pharmacy because Benny, the guy stationed outside by EJ, is unable to watch Sydney for whatever reason. Anna takes Sydney into town with her, but keeps them both disguised. It just so happens that Allie or Johnny come down with a cold as well and needs medicine, which causes Sami to also go the pharmacy. Do you know how much suspense we could get in those scenes? And it doesn't even have to end there. Just let it be a fakeout. Anna spots Sami and quickly dodges out of the phamacy, allowing the storyline to continue. It sure as hell would beat what we're seeing now. But no, instead, we get the same conversations over and over again. And that's why people complain about a stoyline lasting longer than three months. Back in the day, you would see things like what I described above happen, which keeps the storyline juicy, but allows it to continue for as long as the writer needs.
And then people would complain about more fakeouts and junk that does nothing to move story forward.

The show is damned if they do and damned if they don't, which is why I think they are very selective in what they take from message boards now. Before, they would see the complaints and try to please as many people as possible and that led to inconsistency all over the place. Now, they stick to their guns and pick and choose what they take into consideration.

The show is also a on a budget and has to limit set usage so I'm sure that is a factor.
Your defense for this show really cracks me up. I thought we were once applauding Tomlin for him using so many different sets in one episode? Isn't that what made him better than Ed Scott? He was able to throw together several sets in one episode. He was being praised for that just a little bit ago. I still see it, so I don't buy that as an excuse at all.

As for people complaining about the fakeouts WHO GIVES A DAMN?! I'm looking out for my entertainment and mine alone. That would satisfy me. It would give me something new to look forward to. I don't give a fuck about what other people complain about. And I'm not quite sure why you do either.
I do give him praise (and so do others) for what he's been able to do with the sets but it's always the same sets. They only bring new ones in when necessary. It is an excuse. Maybe if they had a network and EP that knew how the fuck to manage their finances over the years, the show wouldn't be in the shape it is. Tomlin does what he can with what he has.

My point was your still going to see people complain if they did what you suggested or not. Maybe it would satisfy you but there is always going to be something to complain about.

And I do care what people complain about because I like to read people's opinions, even if I don't agree with them. If I didn't care, I wouldn't be here posting or reading. It would be pointless.
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Jan 22 2010, 04:04 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 03:59 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 03:55 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 03:43 PM

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And then people would complain about more fakeouts and junk that does nothing to move story forward.

The show is damned if they do and damned if they don't, which is why I think they are very selective in what they take from message boards now. Before, they would see the complaints and try to please as many people as possible and that led to inconsistency all over the place. Now, they stick to their guns and pick and choose what they take into consideration.

The show is also a on a budget and has to limit set usage so I'm sure that is a factor.
Your defense for this show really cracks me up. I thought we were once applauding Tomlin for him using so many different sets in one episode? Isn't that what made him better than Ed Scott? He was able to throw together several sets in one episode. He was being praised for that just a little bit ago. I still see it, so I don't buy that as an excuse at all.

As for people complaining about the fakeouts WHO GIVES A DAMN?! I'm looking out for my entertainment and mine alone. That would satisfy me. It would give me something new to look forward to. I don't give a fuck about what other people complain about. And I'm not quite sure why you do either.
I do give him praise (and so do others) for what he's been able to do with the sets but it's always the same sets. They only bring new ones in when necessary. It is an excuse. Maybe if they had a network and EP that knew how the fuck to manage their finances over the years, the show wouldn't be in the shape it is. Tomlin does what he can with what he has.

My point was your still going to see people complain if they did what you suggested or not. Maybe it would satisfy you but there is always going to be something to complain about.

And I do care what people complain about because I like to read people's opinions, even if I don't agree with them. If I didn't care, I wouldn't be here posting or reading. It would be pointless.
People are going to complain just to complain. Who cares?! That's just life. But it would make things a lot more better and a lot more interesting rather than having Sami, EJ and Rafe and then EJ and Sanna have the same boring conversations day by day. And I'm not asking for a brand new set. I used the pharmacy as an example. Like another Alligato said, have Anna at the hospital. The hospital seems to always be used in an episode. That would also allow more interaction with other characters if they don't want to go the fakeout route with Sami. There are other ways to make this story seem less stale and the writers aren't doing it.
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Jan 22 2010, 03:55 PM
And then people would complain about more fakeouts and junk that does nothing to move story forward.
I'm fine with the pacing and I'd rather they didn't do the fakeouts. I just wish they would freshen up the dialogue and keep the repetition to a minimum. Also, if the characters had more reflective moments it would be easier to get into the story.
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Jan 22 2010, 03:43 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 02:39 PM
How many times are EJ and Anna going to have the same conversation over and over again? I'm bored with it. I can't believe they brought back Leann Hunley for this shit. Just once I'd like to see her on a different set. Maybe Anna could take Sydney into town for something. Anything to get them out of that damn cabin.
And that would also give us some new suspense moments. Have Sydney catch a fever and Anna has to take her into town with her to the pharmacy because Benny, the guy stationed outside by EJ, is unable to watch Sydney for whatever reason. Anna takes Sydney into town with her, but keeps them both disguised. It just so happens that Allie or Johnny come down with a cold as well and needs medicine, which causes Sami to also go the pharmacy. Do you know how much suspense we could get in those scenes? And it doesn't even have to end there. Just let it be a fakeout. Anna spots Sami and quickly dodges out of the phamacy, allowing the storyline to continue. It sure as hell would beat what we're seeing now. But no, instead, we get the same conversations over and over again. And that's why people complain about a stoyline lasting longer than three months. Back in the day, you would see things like what I described above happen, which keeps the storyline juicy, but allows it to continue for as long as the writer needs.
That reminds me of the old scene where Marlena ran into baby Will and his kidnapper at the airport. I agree, they really should change things up, and add little things like that. It can't be a daily occurrence - they had way too many fake outs with Nicole, for example, but yea, they need to do something new. Days seems to get stuck in ruts. Something gets a good initial response, and they get afraid to veer away from it.
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Jan 22 2010, 04:10 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 03:55 PM

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Your defense for this show really cracks me up. I thought we were once applauding Tomlin for him using so many different sets in one episode? Isn't that what made him better than Ed Scott? He was able to throw together several sets in one episode. He was being praised for that just a little bit ago. I still see it, so I don't buy that as an excuse at all.

As for people complaining about the fakeouts WHO GIVES A DAMN?! I'm looking out for my entertainment and mine alone. That would satisfy me. It would give me something new to look forward to. I don't give a fuck about what other people complain about. And I'm not quite sure why you do either.
I do give him praise (and so do others) for what he's been able to do with the sets but it's always the same sets. They only bring new ones in when necessary. It is an excuse. Maybe if they had a network and EP that knew how the fuck to manage their finances over the years, the show wouldn't be in the shape it is. Tomlin does what he can with what he has.

My point was your still going to see people complain if they did what you suggested or not. Maybe it would satisfy you but there is always going to be something to complain about.

And I do care what people complain about because I like to read people's opinions, even if I don't agree with them. If I didn't care, I wouldn't be here posting or reading. It would be pointless.
People are going to complain just to complain. Who cares?! That's just life. But it would make things a lot more better and a lot more interesting rather than having Sami, EJ and Rafe and then EJ and Sanna have the same boring conversations day by day. And I'm not asking for a brand new set. I used the pharmacy as an example. Like another Alligato said, have Anna at the hospital. The hospital seems to always be used in an episode. That would also allow more interaction with other characters if they don't want to go the fakeout route with Sami. There are other ways to make this story seem less stale and the writers aren't doing it.
But what you are saying simply isnīt true. Sami and Rafe have hardly the same conversation day by day when things recently completely changed (and Sami wasnīt even on today). Anna and EJ had maybe second longer conversation today, usually he just drops to check on Sydney and goes away again. And just yesterday people here complained they want to know more about EJīs motivations. THATīS EXACTLY WHAT HIS TALK WITH ANNA WAS TODAY, yet people still complain. I donīt know if it was you or someone else here, but how can people one day ask for more long and character driven scenes and next day want completely pointless and plotdriven fakeout so it makes the story less boring. Thatīs crazy.

The story is anything but stale. It moves every week. I quess people here are annoyed by it because they donīt like Rafe and Sami and want something else for EJ, but there is no difference in the pacing between this story and the babyswich.
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Jan 22 2010, 04:30 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 04:04 PM
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I do give him praise (and so do others) for what he's been able to do with the sets but it's always the same sets. They only bring new ones in when necessary. It is an excuse. Maybe if they had a network and EP that knew how the fuck to manage their finances over the years, the show wouldn't be in the shape it is. Tomlin does what he can with what he has.

My point was your still going to see people complain if they did what you suggested or not. Maybe it would satisfy you but there is always going to be something to complain about.

And I do care what people complain about because I like to read people's opinions, even if I don't agree with them. If I didn't care, I wouldn't be here posting or reading. It would be pointless.
People are going to complain just to complain. Who cares?! That's just life. But it would make things a lot more better and a lot more interesting rather than having Sami, EJ and Rafe and then EJ and Sanna have the same boring conversations day by day. And I'm not asking for a brand new set. I used the pharmacy as an example. Like another Alligato said, have Anna at the hospital. The hospital seems to always be used in an episode. That would also allow more interaction with other characters if they don't want to go the fakeout route with Sami. There are other ways to make this story seem less stale and the writers aren't doing it.
But what you are saying simply isnīt true. Sami and Rafe have hardly the same conversation day by day when things recently completely changed (and Sami wasnīt even on today). Anna and EJ had maybe second longer conversation today, usually he just drops to check on Sydney and goes away again. And just yesterday people here complained they want to know more about EJīs motivations. THATīS EXACTLY WHAT HIS TALK WITH ANNA WAS TODAY, yet people still complain. I donīt know if it was you or someone else here, but how can people one day ask for more long and character driven scenes and next day want completely pointless and plotdriven fakeout so it makes the story less boring. Thatīs crazy.

The story is anything but stale. It moves every week. I quess people here are annoyed by it because they donīt like Rafe and Sami and want something else for EJ, but there is no difference in the pacing between this story and the babyswich.
The baby switch dragged too, with Nicole having the same conversations with herself, Stefano, EJ and Brady every day. People wanting something different than you want isn't crazy, any more than you still finding this story riveting is crazy. Everyone is different. There's nothing wrong with the writers mixing things up. Suspenseful scenes like that are a staple on soaps. They can hurt the story if overused, like anything can, but there's a reason soaps are known for them; because if done right, they work.
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Jan 22 2010, 04:30 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 04:10 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 04:04 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 03:59 PM

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I do give him praise (and so do others) for what he's been able to do with the sets but it's always the same sets. They only bring new ones in when necessary. It is an excuse. Maybe if they had a network and EP that knew how the fuck to manage their finances over the years, the show wouldn't be in the shape it is. Tomlin does what he can with what he has.

My point was your still going to see people complain if they did what you suggested or not. Maybe it would satisfy you but there is always going to be something to complain about.

And I do care what people complain about because I like to read people's opinions, even if I don't agree with them. If I didn't care, I wouldn't be here posting or reading. It would be pointless.
People are going to complain just to complain. Who cares?! That's just life. But it would make things a lot more better and a lot more interesting rather than having Sami, EJ and Rafe and then EJ and Sanna have the same boring conversations day by day. And I'm not asking for a brand new set. I used the pharmacy as an example. Like another Alligato said, have Anna at the hospital. The hospital seems to always be used in an episode. That would also allow more interaction with other characters if they don't want to go the fakeout route with Sami. There are other ways to make this story seem less stale and the writers aren't doing it.
But what you are saying simply isnīt true. Sami and Rafe have hardly the same conversation day by day when things recently completely changed (and Sami wasnīt even on today). Anna and EJ had maybe second longer conversation today, usually he just drops to check on Sydney and goes away again. And just yesterday people here complained they want to know more about EJīs motivations. THATīS EXACTLY WHAT HIS TALK WITH ANNA WAS TODAY, yet people still complain. I donīt know if it was you or someone else here, but how can people one day ask for more long and character driven scenes and next day want completely pointless and plotdriven fakeout so it makes the story less boring. Thatīs crazy.

The story is anything but stale. It moves every week. I quess people here are annoyed by it because they donīt like Rafe and Sami and want something else for EJ, but there is no difference in the pacing between this story and the babyswich.
You said it much better then I could. I agree 100%.
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Jan 22 2010, 04:30 PM
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Jan 22 2010, 04:10 PM
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I do give him praise (and so do others) for what he's been able to do with the sets but it's always the same sets. They only bring new ones in when necessary. It is an excuse. Maybe if they had a network and EP that knew how the fuck to manage their finances over the years, the show wouldn't be in the shape it is. Tomlin does what he can with what he has.

My point was your still going to see people complain if they did what you suggested or not. Maybe it would satisfy you but there is always going to be something to complain about.

And I do care what people complain about because I like to read people's opinions, even if I don't agree with them. If I didn't care, I wouldn't be here posting or reading. It would be pointless.
People are going to complain just to complain. Who cares?! That's just life. But it would make things a lot more better and a lot more interesting rather than having Sami, EJ and Rafe and then EJ and Sanna have the same boring conversations day by day. And I'm not asking for a brand new set. I used the pharmacy as an example. Like another Alligato said, have Anna at the hospital. The hospital seems to always be used in an episode. That would also allow more interaction with other characters if they don't want to go the fakeout route with Sami. There are other ways to make this story seem less stale and the writers aren't doing it.
But what you are saying simply isnīt true. Sami and Rafe have hardly the same conversation day by day when things recently completely changed (and Sami wasnīt even on today). Anna and EJ had maybe second longer conversation today, usually he just drops to check on Sydney and goes away again. And just yesterday people here complained they want to know more about EJīs motivations. THATīS EXACTLY WHAT HIS TALK WITH ANNA WAS TODAY, yet people still complain. I donīt know if it was you or someone else here, but how can people one day ask for more long and character driven scenes and next day want completely pointless and plotdriven fakeout so it makes the story less boring. Thatīs crazy.

The story is anything but stale. It moves every week. I quess people here are annoyed by it because they donīt like Rafe and Sami and want something else for EJ, but there is no difference in the pacing between this story and the babyswich.
Wasn't me who complained about EJ's motivations. I don't need for the show to tell us EJ's motivations. I already know EJ's motivations based on his actions. So I have no idea what that's about, but if people were complaining, it wasn't me. And if they feel that they should show EJ's motivations, they're allowed to say that without being immediately attacked (exageration, I know) for saying so. That's just how they feel. Who cares? If you feel that the show is going a good job with the way things are being written, good for you. Continue to praise the show for its good work. But allow others to talk about what's upsetting them.

As for things not being the same daily, it sure feels that way to me. But maybe that's because I don't pay much attention to the show during Sami, EJ and Rafe scenes. It's on the background, but when they're on, I'm usually on the computer or something. I'll look back when something happens that I hear and it's something new. That hasn't really happened a lot this week aside from Rafe's botched FBI job. Everything else seemed to be the same old same old.
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People are going to complain just to complain. Who cares?! That's just life. But it would make things a lot more better and a lot more interesting rather than having Sami, EJ and Rafe and then EJ and Sanna have the same boring conversations day by day. And I'm not asking for a brand new set. I used the pharmacy as an example. Like another Alligato said, have Anna at the hospital. The hospital seems to always be used in an episode. That would also allow more interaction with other characters if they don't want to go the fakeout route with Sami. There are other ways to make this story seem less stale and the writers aren't doing it.
But what you are saying simply isnīt true. Sami and Rafe have hardly the same conversation day by day when things recently completely changed (and Sami wasnīt even on today). Anna and EJ had maybe second longer conversation today, usually he just drops to check on Sydney and goes away again. And just yesterday people here complained they want to know more about EJīs motivations. THATīS EXACTLY WHAT HIS TALK WITH ANNA WAS TODAY, yet people still complain. I donīt know if it was you or someone else here, but how can people one day ask for more long and character driven scenes and next day want completely pointless and plotdriven fakeout so it makes the story less boring. Thatīs crazy.

The story is anything but stale. It moves every week. I quess people here are annoyed by it because they donīt like Rafe and Sami and want something else for EJ, but there is no difference in the pacing between this story and the babyswich.
Wasn't me who complained about EJ's motivations. I don't need for the show to tell us EJ's motivations. I already know EJ's motivations based on his actions. So I have no idea what that's about, but if people were complaining, it wasn't me. And if they feel that they should show EJ's motivations, they're allowed to say that without being immediately attacked (exageration, I know) for saying so. That's just how they feel. Who cares? If you feel that the show is going a good job with the way things are being written, good for you. Continue to praise the show for its good work. But allow others to talk about what's upsetting them.

As for things not being the same daily, it sure feels that way to me. But maybe that's because I don't pay much attention to the show during Sami, EJ and Rafe scenes. It's on the background, but when they're on, I'm usually on the computer or something. I'll look back when something happens that I hear and it's something new. That hasn't really happened a lot this week aside from Rafe's botched FBI job. Everything else seemed to be the same old same old.
No offense intended, Drew but how can you make a comment about things being the same if you admit you don't pay complete attention during the scenes? I'm not in no way suggesting you should have to sit down and focus on the screen every minute in order to comment. That would be unfair of me but when dealing in specifics pertaining to a scene (and this is what is the focus of the discussion), one does need to know what exactly was happening in those scenes or else it's just throwing something out there with nothing to back it up from your perspective. For all you know, something impactful could've happened. That is all I'm saying. Again, no offense intended.
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But what you are saying simply isnīt true. Sami and Rafe have hardly the same conversation day by day when things recently completely changed (and Sami wasnīt even on today). Anna and EJ had maybe second longer conversation today, usually he just drops to check on Sydney and goes away again. And just yesterday people here complained they want to know more about EJīs motivations. THATīS EXACTLY WHAT HIS TALK WITH ANNA WAS TODAY, yet people still complain. I donīt know if it was you or someone else here, but how can people one day ask for more long and character driven scenes and next day want completely pointless and plotdriven fakeout so it makes the story less boring. Thatīs crazy.

The story is anything but stale. It moves every week. I quess people here are annoyed by it because they donīt like Rafe and Sami and want something else for EJ, but there is no difference in the pacing between this story and the babyswich.
Wasn't me who complained about EJ's motivations. I don't need for the show to tell us EJ's motivations. I already know EJ's motivations based on his actions. So I have no idea what that's about, but if people were complaining, it wasn't me. And if they feel that they should show EJ's motivations, they're allowed to say that without being immediately attacked (exageration, I know) for saying so. That's just how they feel. Who cares? If you feel that the show is going a good job with the way things are being written, good for you. Continue to praise the show for its good work. But allow others to talk about what's upsetting them.

As for things not being the same daily, it sure feels that way to me. But maybe that's because I don't pay much attention to the show during Sami, EJ and Rafe scenes. It's on the background, but when they're on, I'm usually on the computer or something. I'll look back when something happens that I hear and it's something new. That hasn't really happened a lot this week aside from Rafe's botched FBI job. Everything else seemed to be the same old same old.
No offense intended, Drew but how can you make a comment about things being the same if you admit you don't pay complete attention during the scenes? I'm not in no way suggesting you should have to sit down and focus on the screen every minute in order to comment. That would be unfair of me but when dealing in specifics pertaining to a scene (and this is what is the focus of the discussion), one does need to know what exactly was happening in those scenes or else it's just throwing something out there with nothing to back it up from your perspective. For all you know, something impactful could've happened. That is all I'm saying. Again, no offense intended.
But when the majority of the board is in agreement with me, and say nothing about something "impacting" happening, I realize that I missed nothing. :)

EJ, Sami and Rafe bore me right now. There's nothing about their scenes that makes me want to watch. It's the same old bullshit. EJ is decieving the two of them. Sami's made to look like the idiot that she's really not. Rafe has the DUH expression on his face all the time, even though he's supposedly in control of the Salem brain lately, which is an insult to Sami Brady, who was once the smartest character on the show. What about what I just mentioned makes me want to watch? That's all that ever happens. I'll start out the episode, they'll be on and the above happens in the first act that they're featured, and then their scenes become background until I overhear something of importance then I'll turn around to see what it's about. But that hasn't happened a lot this week. :P
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And I don't need to pay attention to every scene to know what's going on. I read recaps. I read prevuze. So with all of that other reference, I still realize that nothing's happened without really paying much attention to their scenes.
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STUPID WOMEN as a staple on DAYS has always made me see red. This week was no different.
WHY, oh WHY, in 2010 do writers still not get it?
I have always hated "damsels in distress" stories. Don't think they are romantic. Never did. Not even when I was 10 or 14.
I have always loved clever, smart, achieving women, who can take care of themselves, and reflect at least a little how women can and do multitask in rough times without falling apart and needing the man.
I LOVE ROMANCE. ROMANCE is when two people need each other, take care of each other, respect each other.

Hope is, or was a cop. Supposedly a good one. I KNOW female cops, real ones. And female fire fighters. These women have had to work their asses off physically and mentally to make the grade. They have to prove they can rescue someone from the bad guys, and be capable of dragging anyone's deadweight passed out self out of a burning building. And yes, women can do it. It's physics. It may not be as easy as it is for a man but it's doable. But when physical strength is not possible, brain power matters.
How the hell hard is it for Hope Brady to ask a damn question about Carly to someone other than Victor or Viv? How does a cop not consider burying someone alive the act of a psycho criminal? How the hell does a cop not know how to do research if she does not want to hear the point of view from persons who liked Carly. Read a newspaper account.

Carly is a doctor It takes years of study and many brains to become a doctor. She has done research. She knows how Viv works. She knows Viv is clever. And yet they have Carly practically stamp a "MY child" sign on Melanie????

Melanie. Yes, she's a kid. But a street smart one. She had to be to survive what her father put her through. Viv is an old woman who openly calls herself Phillip's mother. Mel knows that story. Who does not think that is weird? What street smart, experienced with perverts, does not recognize Viv as a perverted woman?

Yes, Hope is upset. Carly is upset. I get it. HELLO, women do not fall apart and lose all their brain cells because they get upset. How many women are the primary caregiver for children, for elderly parents, still hold down a full time job and still deal with the upsets of life? Yet on DAYS the minute anything goes awry, there is crying, running to the man, and being stupid.

HEY, DAYS, it 2010. Women are not fragile flowers. SHEESH.
Needed to vent cuz honestly, today I would have thought that Melanie was in middle school, Carly has the common sense of teen, and Hope, earlier in the week, had the intellectual ability of a teen.
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Wasn't me who complained about EJ's motivations. I don't need for the show to tell us EJ's motivations. I already know EJ's motivations based on his actions. So I have no idea what that's about, but if people were complaining, it wasn't me. And if they feel that they should show EJ's motivations, they're allowed to say that without being immediately attacked (exageration, I know) for saying so. That's just how they feel. Who cares? If you feel that the show is going a good job with the way things are being written, good for you. Continue to praise the show for its good work. But allow others to talk about what's upsetting them.

As for things not being the same daily, it sure feels that way to me. But maybe that's because I don't pay much attention to the show during Sami, EJ and Rafe scenes. It's on the background, but when they're on, I'm usually on the computer or something. I'll look back when something happens that I hear and it's something new. That hasn't really happened a lot this week aside from Rafe's botched FBI job. Everything else seemed to be the same old same old.
No offense intended, Drew but how can you make a comment about things being the same if you admit you don't pay complete attention during the scenes? I'm not in no way suggesting you should have to sit down and focus on the screen every minute in order to comment. That would be unfair of me but when dealing in specifics pertaining to a scene (and this is what is the focus of the discussion), one does need to know what exactly was happening in those scenes or else it's just throwing something out there with nothing to back it up from your perspective. For all you know, something impactful could've happened. That is all I'm saying. Again, no offense intended.
But when the majority of the board is in agreement with me, and say nothing about something "impacting" happening, I realize that I missed nothing. :)

EJ, Sami and Rafe bore me right now. There's nothing about their scenes that makes me want to watch. It's the same old bullshit. EJ is decieving the two of them. Sami's made to look like the idiot that she's really not. Rafe has the DUH expression on his face all the time, even though he's supposedly in control of the Salem brain lately, which is an insult to Sami Brady, who was once the smartest character on the show. What about what I just mentioned makes me want to watch? That's all that ever happens. I'll start out the episode, they'll be on and the above happens in the first act that they're featured, and then their scenes become background until I overhear something of importance then I'll turn around to see what it's about. But that hasn't happened a lot this week. :P
So what if the majority of the board agrees? That has nothing to do with your view on things. That is what I'm interested in at the moment. You made a suggestion of how you feel the show should improve the current story and it was a good suggestion but it was based on an opinion that came off like you were just piggybacking on what everyone else was saying. You admitting you weren't paying total attention (and I understand your reasons why) lends credence to that for me. Usually, your points are always backed up by specifics and that is one reason I like discussing things with you so I find it surprising you would comment on something like this while also admitting you weren't paying full attention to it. That's all.

Again, I mean no offense. I'm just rather surprised.
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And I don't need to pay attention to every scene to know what's going on. I read recaps. I read prevuze. So with all of that other reference, I still realize that nothing's happened without really paying much attention to their scenes.
No, you don't. However, this is a bit more specific. We're talking story movement, dialogue, things like that.

That Anna/EJ scene today served a purpose as Jane said. It moved the story in regards to the fact that EJ has no intentions of returning Sydney. We are starting to see how far reaching this plan is. That was a pretty significant scene.
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People are going to complain just to complain. Who cares?! That's just life. But it would make things a lot more better and a lot more interesting rather than having Sami, EJ and Rafe and then EJ and Sanna have the same boring conversations day by day. And I'm not asking for a brand new set. I used the pharmacy as an example. Like another Alligato said, have Anna at the hospital. The hospital seems to always be used in an episode. That would also allow more interaction with other characters if they don't want to go the fakeout route with Sami. There are other ways to make this story seem less stale and the writers aren't doing it.
But what you are saying simply isnīt true. Sami and Rafe have hardly the same conversation day by day when things recently completely changed (and Sami wasnīt even on today). Anna and EJ had maybe second longer conversation today, usually he just drops to check on Sydney and goes away again. And just yesterday people here complained they want to know more about EJīs motivations. THATīS EXACTLY WHAT HIS TALK WITH ANNA WAS TODAY, yet people still complain. I donīt know if it was you or someone else here, but how can people one day ask for more long and character driven scenes and next day want completely pointless and plotdriven fakeout so it makes the story less boring. Thatīs crazy.

The story is anything but stale. It moves every week. I quess people here are annoyed by it because they donīt like Rafe and Sami and want something else for EJ, but there is no difference in the pacing between this story and the babyswich.
The baby switch dragged too, with Nicole having the same conversations with herself, Stefano, EJ and Brady every day. People wanting something different than you want isn't crazy, any more than you still finding this story riveting is crazy. Everyone is different. There's nothing wrong with the writers mixing things up. Suspenseful scenes like that are a staple on soaps. They can hurt the story if overused, like anything can, but there's a reason soaps are known for them; because if done right, they work.
This is all true, but people needs to realize the show isnīt written for expert fans on MB who not only watch daily but sometime rewatch and disect selected parts and spend hours anylyzing every new bits of info. Maybe it was on SON but I remember some study which said ordinary viewers watch only 3 times per week. They arenīt obsessed with catching every scene and every episode like we are and the pacing is chosen so they still can understand whatīs going on. Thatīs why we see Anna almost daily even when she is not doing anything substantial. Thatīs why the flashbacks important for the plots are repeated so much. There is a whole book of rules and recommendations how to develop and pace the show so people can jump in and stay for the ride with as little effort as possible.

DAYS pacing clearly works. Itīs a new millennium update of classic JERīs plotdriven storytelling with emphasis on relatively short primetime-like scenes with a lot of snippy and funny dialogs and way less melodrama. Anyone who tunes in immediatelly understands whatīs the "A" story and what the conflict is about. People move from place to place in span of the episode so it doesnīt look like people are stuck in time. For ex. so many people says OLTL is a wonderfull show yet the ratings terrible and IMO itīs because there is too much characters and too much stories and itīs impossible for a new viewer (like me and I tried 3 times because people here are always so excited with it) to understand whatīs going on and on what characters he/she should primarily focus.
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But what you are saying simply isnīt true. Sami and Rafe have hardly the same conversation day by day when things recently completely changed (and Sami wasnīt even on today). Anna and EJ had maybe second longer conversation today, usually he just drops to check on Sydney and goes away again. And just yesterday people here complained they want to know more about EJīs motivations. THATīS EXACTLY WHAT HIS TALK WITH ANNA WAS TODAY, yet people still complain. I donīt know if it was you or someone else here, but how can people one day ask for more long and character driven scenes and next day want completely pointless and plotdriven fakeout so it makes the story less boring. Thatīs crazy.

The story is anything but stale. It moves every week. I quess people here are annoyed by it because they donīt like Rafe and Sami and want something else for EJ, but there is no difference in the pacing between this story and the babyswich.
The baby switch dragged too, with Nicole having the same conversations with herself, Stefano, EJ and Brady every day. People wanting something different than you want isn't crazy, any more than you still finding this story riveting is crazy. Everyone is different. There's nothing wrong with the writers mixing things up. Suspenseful scenes like that are a staple on soaps. They can hurt the story if overused, like anything can, but there's a reason soaps are known for them; because if done right, they work.
This is all true, but people needs to realize the show isnīt written for expert fans on MB who not only watch daily but sometime rewatch and disect selected parts and spend hours anylyzing every new bits of info. Maybe it was on SON but I remember some study which said ordinary viewers watch only 3 times per week. They arenīt obsessed with catching every scene and every episode like we are and the pacing is chosen so they still can understand whatīs going on. Thatīs why we see Anna almost daily even when she is not doing anything substantial. Thatīs why the flashbacks important for the plots are repeated so much. There is a whole book of rules and recommendations how to develop and pace the show so people can jump in and stay for the ride with as little effort as possible.

DAYS pacing clearly works. Itīs a new millennium update of classic JERīs plotdriven storytelling with emphasis on relatively short primetime-like scenes with a lot of snippy and funny dialogs and way less melodrama. Anyone who tunes in immediatelly understands whatīs the "A" story and what the conflict is about. People move from place to place in span of the episode so it doesnīt look like people are stuck in time. For ex. so many people says OLTL is a wonderfull show yet the ratings terrible and IMO itīs because there is too much characters and too much stories and itīs impossible for a new viewer (like me and I tried 3 times because people here are always so excited with it) to understand whatīs going on and on what characters he/she should primarily focus.
Great post.
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But what you are saying simply isnīt true. Sami and Rafe have hardly the same conversation day by day when things recently completely changed (and Sami wasnīt even on today). Anna and EJ had maybe second longer conversation today, usually he just drops to check on Sydney and goes away again. And just yesterday people here complained they want to know more about EJīs motivations. THATīS EXACTLY WHAT HIS TALK WITH ANNA WAS TODAY, yet people still complain. I donīt know if it was you or someone else here, but how can people one day ask for more long and character driven scenes and next day want completely pointless and plotdriven fakeout so it makes the story less boring. Thatīs crazy.

The story is anything but stale. It moves every week. I quess people here are annoyed by it because they donīt like Rafe and Sami and want something else for EJ, but there is no difference in the pacing between this story and the babyswich.
The baby switch dragged too, with Nicole having the same conversations with herself, Stefano, EJ and Brady every day. People wanting something different than you want isn't crazy, any more than you still finding this story riveting is crazy. Everyone is different. There's nothing wrong with the writers mixing things up. Suspenseful scenes like that are a staple on soaps. They can hurt the story if overused, like anything can, but there's a reason soaps are known for them; because if done right, they work.
This is all true, but people needs to realize the show isnīt written for expert fans on MB who not only watch daily but sometime rewatch and disect selected parts and spend hours anylyzing every new bits of info. Maybe it was on SON but I remember some study which said ordinary viewers watch only 3 times per week. They arenīt obsessed with catching every scene and every episode like we are and the pacing is chosen so they still can understand whatīs going on. Thatīs why we see Anna almost daily even when she is not doing anything substantial. Thatīs why the flashbacks important for the plots are repeated so much. There is a whole book of rules and recommendations how to develop and pace the show so people can jump in and stay for the ride with as little effort as possible.

DAYS pacing clearly works. Itīs a new millennium update of classic JERīs plotdriven storytelling with emphasis on relatively short primetime-like scenes with a lot of snippy and funny dialogs and way less melodrama. Anyone who tunes in immediatelly understands whatīs the "A" story and what the conflict is about. People move from place to place in span of the episode so it doesnīt look like people are stuck in time. For ex. so many people says OLTL is a wonderfull show yet the ratings terrible and IMO itīs because there is too much characters and too much stories and itīs impossible for a new viewer (like me and I tried 3 times because people here are always so excited with it) to understand whatīs going on and on what characters he/she should primarily focus.
So taking Sydney out of the house to change up the pace is going to throw off the three day a week viewers? Honestly, while what you say is largely true, I really don't see what it has to do with the situation at hand. There's a huge gulf between almost never doing anything new because the casual viewers might be lost, and doing something new every day, multiple times per day. Message board fans are still fans, and I think the points made up thread are apt - we don't have to praise or excuse everything the show does, and act like they never make any mistakes or that there's no room for improvement. This reminds me of the conversation a couple of weeks ago when some were saying a body double for Mickey would be a bad idea, back when it seemed like the show wasn't going to do it, but as soon as they did do it, they agreed with what TPTB did. Saying 'yea, the story drags, but I think they do that because of the needs of the casual fan' is worlds away from the 'what ever are you talking about? The story is still fascinating' type responses. Maybe the show deserves a break sometimes, but to me it seems like some expect them to get a break 100% of the time, and when fans voice what they want to see, instead of being sympathetic to TPTB, they get shut down.
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