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Topic Started: Jan 16 2010, 08:29 PM (7,262 Views)
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Sam09
Jan 18 2010, 05:15 PM
jane1978
Jan 18 2010, 04:53 PM
esp13
Jan 18 2010, 04:35 PM
sandyeggo1
Jan 18 2010, 04:26 PM
No Kidding? Who the hell would care to see that drivel? "Oh, what was sweet old Carly like 20 years ago.. Forget that she's a whinny, helpless slut now, did she save anyone's life two decades ago?"

SPARE ME! How lame is that?



I'd like to see it. I'd like to see Caroline a little conflicted and remembering how close she was to Carly at one time. It's called layers and emotional beats and they are what make a story mean something as opposed to just being about driving the plot from Point A to Point B. Unfortunately, most of the people who Carly was close to back then are no longer in Salem. But, there is no reason that somebody who knew her back then couldn't at least show a little conflict about the whole thing.
But everybody isnīt mean. Some characters are neutral. And Maggie even let Carly live with her and she considered her her friend when they last met. Now no matter how wonderfull and sweet Carly was as young Dr. Manning nobody can expect some Horton or Brady will support her against Hope. Certainly not now.
Neither should I expect any Brady, Roman or Caroline, to take Hope's side against Bo when she left him. And yet Caroline did, yelling at Bo as if it was his fault his wife chose to leave him. At least they gave Bo the backbone to stand up to her for a second.

But regardless, when Carly first arrived, long before Bo and Carly even kissed, the Hortons and Bradys were acting like she was a pariah without any knowledge of anything. All they knew was her past there with them. How does it make sense for people to assume the worst of someone who they knew had saved the lives of their loved ones????
yeah, I don't want to see a blanket response from all the characters. I wasn't really surprised that Caroline was mad at Bo, sometimes that happens. If all the Hortons and Bradys want to hate Carly that's fine, it would be nice to see one character empathetic to Carly or to chant "I hate Carly" in front of family but away from them be conflicted, neutral or not think she is the devil. It's just that Days tends to stick with a formula that I would love to see them deviate from every now and again.
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jane1978
Jan 18 2010, 04:58 PM
Paxton
Jan 18 2010, 04:50 PM
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Jan 18 2010, 04:23 PM
I was watching off/on during the Carly Viv years but I don't remember shit about their story. That's why I am having a hard time with Vivian and her hatred for Carly, yes she killed Lawrence but something is missing in the telling of their relationship. I have no interest in youtubing their story, the show should fill in some gaps. Also, Lawrence and Carly's abusive relationship would hold better together if that was fleshed out just a tiny bit too. A poster summarized their story from years ago and from what I read it seems that there may have been some brainwashing when Carly lost her memory for her to abruptly leave the Love of Her Life, Bo.
I agree with all of this and especially agree with your point that I don't think the burden should be on us to go youtubing to fill in the blanks. I am not a new viewer but I don't think it's unreasonable of me to expect the show, when bringing back a character from 16 years ago, to fill in some blanks. How do they expect new viewers to understand or care how Carly fits onto the canvas if they don't do that? It doesn't have to be a big thing, but various conversations between people who knew her then, including flashbacks, can go a long way. They've done some of that, but they could do a better job of it.
Carly brutally murdered her niece, had an affair and a bastard child while he lived, and after he died she immediatelly went to rekindle her affair with Bo. I donīt know what more motivation you need.
Carly brutally murdered whose niece? Did you mean Viv's nephew, the rapist, felon, thug whose bio disease nearly killed Bo?

Carly killed Lawrence in self defense and in defense of her child. That is what we saw onscreen. People can make up all they want, but that was what was onscreen, a man slapping a woman, and then telling her he was going to kill her child.

"Bastard" child??? Have we been deported to the dark ages? Would you like to brand her with a scarlet letter and have her child shown to be inferior and unworthy of any love because of her "bastard" history??? Sheesh. It's 2010. Not 1810. A child out of wedlock is still a child, is still loved and is still worthy of a mother's protection.

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Kevc1980
Jan 18 2010, 05:18 PM
Are any of these 7 pages about the episodes airing this week? I'm too lazy to look through them all.
Short answer: Nope!

Its mostly about the treatment of Carly by the citizens of Salem v Hope.
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Liz<3Days
Jan 18 2010, 05:27 PM
Kevc1980
Jan 18 2010, 05:18 PM
Are any of these 7 pages about the episodes airing this week? I'm too lazy to look through them all.
Short answer: Nope!

Its mostly about the treatment of Carly by the citizens of Salem v Hope.
That's what I figured. Wish we could keep these threads on topic. What did people think about Monday's show?
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Matt
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Today's episode again left me wondering whether Sami has subscribed to a scarf-of-the-day mail order service. She must have an entire closet in her home just for scarves. Speaking of which, what the hell does Sami do for a living these days?
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Matt
Jan 18 2010, 05:42 PM
Speaking of which, what the hell does Sami do for a living these days?
Getting knocked up for the child support. :drunk:
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Sam09
Jan 18 2010, 05:22 PM
jane1978
Jan 18 2010, 04:58 PM
Paxton
Jan 18 2010, 04:50 PM
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Jan 18 2010, 04:23 PM
I was watching off/on during the Carly Viv years but I don't remember shit about their story. That's why I am having a hard time with Vivian and her hatred for Carly, yes she killed Lawrence but something is missing in the telling of their relationship. I have no interest in youtubing their story, the show should fill in some gaps. Also, Lawrence and Carly's abusive relationship would hold better together if that was fleshed out just a tiny bit too. A poster summarized their story from years ago and from what I read it seems that there may have been some brainwashing when Carly lost her memory for her to abruptly leave the Love of Her Life, Bo.
I agree with all of this and especially agree with your point that I don't think the burden should be on us to go youtubing to fill in the blanks. I am not a new viewer but I don't think it's unreasonable of me to expect the show, when bringing back a character from 16 years ago, to fill in some blanks. How do they expect new viewers to understand or care how Carly fits onto the canvas if they don't do that? It doesn't have to be a big thing, but various conversations between people who knew her then, including flashbacks, can go a long way. They've done some of that, but they could do a better job of it.
Carly brutally murdered her niece, had an affair and a bastard child while he lived, and after he died she immediatelly went to rekindle her affair with Bo. I donīt know what more motivation you need.
Carly brutally murdered whose niece? Did you mean Viv's nephew, the rapist, felon, thug whose bio disease nearly killed Bo?

Carly killed Lawrence in self defense and in defense of her child. That is what we saw onscreen. People can make up all they want, but that was what was onscreen, a man slapping a woman, and then telling her he was going to kill her child.

"Bastard" child??? Have we been deported to the dark ages? Would you like to brand her with a scarlet letter and have her child shown to be inferior and unworthy of any love because of her "bastard" history??? Sheesh. It's 2010. Not 1810. A child out of wedlock is still a child, is still loved and is still worthy of a mother's protection.

Nephew, sorry. And Iīm talking about Vivianīs POV.

And the timeline is still very sketchy but it seems Lawrence and Carly were really happy for a while and his evilness from before (raping Jennifer, "killing" Steve, etc.) will not be acknowledged.

I actually wonder if his mysterious sickness which per Carly made him evil isnīt somewhat work of his dear aunt Vivian and her magic herbs.
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Was EJ's original plan for Anna to really go to the drop site for the ransom? That would be pretty stupid. I didn't get that part at all. Why not send one of the Dimera goons to pick up the 5 mil.
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mer4santo
Jan 18 2010, 05:44 PM
Matt
Jan 18 2010, 05:42 PM
Speaking of which, what the hell does Sami do for a living these days?
Getting knocked up for the child support. :drunk:
Isn't she living off of John's dole yet? Or did that all go to Nicole?

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Jan 18 2010, 04:23 PM
Sam09
Jan 18 2010, 03:56 PM
jane1978
Jan 18 2010, 03:33 PM
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Jan 18 2010, 01:51 PM

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But the show cannot explain every existing plot from past related to character just to explain the reasons why he/she did something bad in the past. Most of plots is eventually completely erased and even the most important are drastically symplified so they can be summed in a line or two. Who wants to hear Victor and Brady arguing about Nicol and what she did and why she did it and what Victor did and what Nicol did to him before etc., practically just recapping plot from 2002. And thatīs the better case. The original Bo/Hope/Carly/Lawrence/Vivian is almost 20 years old and the motivations are even more complicated. The hardcore viewers like on this board are a miniscule minority. The show would have to explain to general audience who is Nicky, how Vivian had stolen him, how Lawrence and Carly discovered Nicky is their child, how and why they threatened Vivian and she attempted to kill Carly till she discovered Dr. Wu and his magic herbals. They would have to explain how Carly and Lawrence fell in love years before she met Bo and arrived to Salem because otherwise her leaving with him doesnīt make even slightest sense.

Thatīs why they keep all past mentions so vague. We know Carly and Bo somewhat fell in love when he thought Hope is gone and she eventually choose Lawrence with whom she has a grownup child. And she had and still has huge dispute with Vivian who even went so far to bury her alive. Try to go deeper and you have to start explain and explain and explain.
The genre is called "continuing drama" and most people now can play catch up better than ever with YT available. In the old days, a lot of us could only watch in the summers, yet the shows used the past to write stories. People just asked friends/relatives...."Who's that? I thought they were married to so and so???"
And then someone tells you, "Yea they were going to get married but they found out they were brother and sister???" LOL

How hard is it to have someone like Hope ask say Maggie, or Caroline. "What was Carly like? Did you like her? Did she sleep around? NO? She was with Bo only? What made her leave Bo for Lawrence?"
Good post.

I would be intersted in little nuggets of history either threw dialoge or flashback. To me it's what sets american soaps apart from other scritped drama, the way it spans over generations. I loved seeing the flashback of a very young Maggie on the farm meeting Mickey (and wow talk about an age difference!) Incorporating history would keep the story and dialogue fresh, they don't have to get bogged down by it. It's a much better alternative to all the repetetive dialogue and multiple flashbacks of w
Well, there was also a little behind the scenes soap which affected decisions.
Storywise what some leave out is that Viv had kidnapped Carly's son at birth, told Carly he was dead. At the time of Bo and Carly's story, she did not know about Nikki until well into her love with Bo. When Nikki who had been raised by Viv ran away from boarding school, he came to Salem which was when Carly found out he was alive. He was a bit of a brat, was bonded to his father and aunt but did want his mother to be with his father (typical soap kid).

They rushed the story ending having fired MS (Lawrence) and then when CC wanted out of her contract (she and MS were together in real life; now married; Peter had left and CC did not get on well with the new Bo) they just quickly threw them together. Lawrence was going to take off with Nikki and if Carly wanted a life with her son she had to choose then. And Lawrence, not Bo, had saved her from her grave and seemed to have changed. Obviously he did not....

Viv just hated Carly because Viv had this unhealthy, perverted issue of possessiveness for her nephew Lawrence. Viv is basically a preverted sick person, a narcissist with money, a modern day female Caligula. She stole Kate's embryo, had it implanted in her to have Vic's kid. The fact that she still calls herself Phillip's mummy, attests to her unhealthy need to own and possess a child. Carly took, in Viv's mind, Lawrence and Nikki from her.
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jane1978
Jan 18 2010, 04:53 PM
esp13
Jan 18 2010, 04:35 PM
sandyeggo1
Jan 18 2010, 04:26 PM
No Kidding? Who the hell would care to see that drivel? "Oh, what was sweet old Carly like 20 years ago.. Forget that she's a whinny, helpless slut now, did she save anyone's life two decades ago?"

SPARE ME! How lame is that?



I'd like to see it. I'd like to see Caroline a little conflicted and remembering how close she was to Carly at one time. It's called layers and emotional beats and they are what make a story mean something as opposed to just being about driving the plot from Point A to Point B. Unfortunately, most of the people who Carly was close to back then are no longer in Salem. But, there is no reason that somebody who knew her back then couldn't at least show a little conflict about the whole thing.
But everybody isnīt mean. Some characters are neutral. And Maggie even let Carly live with her and she considered her her friend when they last met. Now no matter how wonderfull and sweet Carly was as young Dr. Manning nobody can expect some Horton or Brady will support her against Hope. Certainly not now.
Everyone in Salem being mean to Carly is an exaggeration. Sure they are not bowing down and celebrating her return by dancing in the streets like some of these fans want, but come on really, who's been so mean to Carly?
Hope? -- She has reason dontcha think?
Melanie? -- Plot driven and expected.
Viv and Vic? -- Never liked her anyway.
Justin? -- He's just called her out early in the game.
Who else?
Oh sure Doug gave Carly a dirty look, but hello? Hope's is his daughter. Daughter trumps Slut.

Who else?

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But my point is what is to like about Carly? I just don't see it. I never liked the character when she first appeared on the canvas and sure as hell, my mind hasn't changed.
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Matt
Jan 18 2010, 05:42 PM
Today's episode again left me wondering whether Sami has subscribed to a scarf-of-the-day mail order service. She must have an entire closet in her home just for scarves. Speaking of which, what the hell does Sami do for a living these days?
Not a damn thing! I guess she's just living off child support from EJ and Lucas. I think it would make sense for Sami to work down at the station, as the receptionist. Could you imagine the trouble she'd get herself into?
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Morganarose
Jan 18 2010, 06:13 PM
But my point is what is to like about Carly? I just don't see it. I never liked the character when she first appeared on the canvas and sure as hell, my mind hasn't changed.
Well, uh, well.......she saved Rafe? Wait, for some, that's not a winning point.
Let me see.................I know! Cause Bo said so.
Seriously, I think you're right. For those of us who didn't see her the first time around, there isn't much to go on, although I do like her when she shows spunk around Carly, and that Carly/Hope fight was pretty damn awesome.
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^ AWWWW, I <3 that pic Drew!

AW, I miss Nicole :(


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I love seeing Rafe and Sami's "perfect" relationship, conflicted with trust issues. There's no Sami Brady relationship without a breach of trust and it's about time Rafael found that out.

I'm still not a fan of Melanie's hatred for Carly. I understand that she considers Hope family through Maggie, and that would be a great and valid reason for her to hate Carly now, but that hasn't been the case. She's hated Carly since she bumped into her at Java Cafe. It just makes everything seem so forced. I think it would've been better to have Melanie meet Carly on good terms, and then find out about Carly sleeping with Bo the way she did, and telling Carly that she was completely wrong about her and wanted nothing to do with her. Now that I could believe.
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jane1978
Jan 18 2010, 05:45 PM
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Jan 18 2010, 05:22 PM
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Jan 18 2010, 04:58 PM
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Jan 18 2010, 04:50 PM

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Carly brutally murdered her niece, had an affair and a bastard child while he lived, and after he died she immediatelly went to rekindle her affair with Bo. I donīt know what more motivation you need.
Carly brutally murdered whose niece? Did you mean Viv's nephew, the rapist, felon, thug whose bio disease nearly killed Bo?

Carly killed Lawrence in self defense and in defense of her child. That is what we saw onscreen. People can make up all they want, but that was what was onscreen, a man slapping a woman, and then telling her he was going to kill her child.

"Bastard" child??? Have we been deported to the dark ages? Would you like to brand her with a scarlet letter and have her child shown to be inferior and unworthy of any love because of her "bastard" history??? Sheesh. It's 2010. Not 1810. A child out of wedlock is still a child, is still loved and is still worthy of a mother's protection.

Nephew, sorry. And Iīm talking about Vivianīs POV.

And the timeline is still very sketchy but it seems Lawrence and Carly were really happy for a while and his evilness from before (raping Jennifer, "killing" Steve, etc.) will not be acknowledged.

I actually wonder if his mysterious sickness which per Carly made him evil isnīt somewhat work of his dear aunt Vivian and her magic herbs.
Sorry, it's hard to read between the lines and get that it was the sarcastic pov from Viv.

Seemingly they want to make it that Carly believed he had changed and is blaming his evil ways on a disease. Wishful thinking but not exactly unrealistic. Abused folks often make excuses for their abuser.

But that would be a good twist, crazy Auntie Viv concocting some serum to make Lawrence even more sadistic.
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Morganarose
Jan 18 2010, 06:13 PM
But my point is what is to like about Carly? I just don't see it. I never liked the character when she first appeared on the canvas and sure as hell, my mind hasn't changed.
The same thing there is to dislike about her, I guess. :shrug:

Drew, I'm with you on the Melanie/Carly thing.
Edited by six, Jan 18 2010, 06:28 PM.
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Matt
Jan 18 2010, 05:42 PM
Today's episode again left me wondering whether Sami has subscribed to a scarf-of-the-day mail order service. She must have an entire closet in her home just for scarves. Speaking of which, what the hell does Sami do for a living these days?
Sami Brady, Professional Baby Maker.
Business Hours: 24-7
Location: Bedroom
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Vivian talks a good game, but can she not just get on with it already? I'm starting to find this s/l BORING. Put up, or shut up Viv!

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