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SOD: Stefano Blackmails EJ
Topic Started: Apr 6 2010, 09:56 PM (16,525 Views)
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LuvingLumi
Apr 15 2010, 10:11 AM
magicsteacher
Apr 14 2010, 08:10 PM
LuvingLumi
Apr 14 2010, 11:45 AM

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I guess Lucas wasn't that interested in seeing Will, only Ali? That's nice. No wonder Will is like he is. It would have made much more sense for Will to go with Ali to China, rather than putting a 4 year old on a 20 hour flight alone. The whole thing is stupid.
Well in all do fairness to my boy Lucas...Will is in school....Allie isn't....it's just a copout because how would they explain Allie living in the Dimera Mansion if in fact Sami moves in there.....just a way to move the story....ship the kid to her father in China (isn't he working over there?), who babysits for him in China? How does Allie communicate over there? Stupid writing....this is what they should have thought about before getting rid of BD...
I don't understand what the big deal would be if Allie moved into the DiMansion, assuming that Sami actually does move in herself. Will is living there now, and Kate is there, so she would be with family. That makes as much sense as shipping her off to China.
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LuvingLumi
Apr 15 2010, 10:09 AM
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Apr 14 2010, 05:50 PM
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Apr 14 2010, 08:19 AM

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First, I don't remember exactly how the paternity stuff went down, but yes I do agree she wouldn't take it on face value. In response to the other stuff, she still has it, it's just it's not always her first resort. Some call it glitterizing or Marlenafication but I don't see it that way, it's character progression. Sami has been on a quest for a long time, before EJ, to be good. I think this is why we are seeing a more passive Sami, in her attempts to do the right thing. However, she still has her moments where she is the Bull in the China Cabinet (thanks Rhi, perfect description).
In terms of a quest to become a better person, that little turnaround didn't start happening UNTIL EJ came to town. After Stan, Sami still schemed and tried to screw up Austin and Carrie by blackmailing Lexie into telling Carrie she couldn't have kids with Austin. That drove Carrie to Lucas because of the prospect of having healthy little babies. I don't consider Sami changing then and that was in 2005/06...it wasn't until after Ej came to town that she turned a new leaf and that was after she decided to end it with EJ and start anew with Lucas. Then the saving Lucas bit came, the saving her family bit came and the saving of her baby bit came.....Sami hasn't been the same since Ej raped her.....and now well...you can call it character progression but I call it character destruction. The character progression could have happened as a result of her "doing things to save/help others" instead of what she use to do for her own "selfish reasons"...that I would say was down that line...but now she looks totally unrecognizable, she doesn't have ANY of what she use to have, not even a bit of it....she's not even Marlena, at least Marlena stood up to Stefano and didn't take his crap...sure she got locked in a cage but she was never a whimpering mess....Sami has become that...
I remember her grappling with the whole Stan stuff and later with the lie to Carrie and Austin, that's when I started seeing the change. It wasn't an overnight progression, it was a loooooonnnng process where she would make mistakes along the way. When EJ came, she saw an opportunity to play hero, a chance to wins some accolades. It was something new for her, a way for her to redeem herself, no matter how stupid the reason for the vendetta was. I know a lot of Sami fans aren't happy with her but I'm ok with it because I'm not seeing character destruction. Mind you I am one who wanted/(wants) her to be Stefano 2.0.
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torn


For all the Lumi fans out there that say that EJ has no chance of redemtion.........

Remember Stan? Sami sure did some shitty things wandering around in drag for months didn't she. Lucas called of the wedding, yadda yadda yadda, and YET Sami was forgiven.

She also grew up doing shitty thing after shitty thing. (one of the reason's I love her) AND yet, she's worthy of forgiveness? What makes her so God damn special? Beer flavored nipples?


Why can't EJ have the opportunity to change and be forgiven?


Edited by torn, Apr 18 2010, 03:14 PM.
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Actually that's what I'm confused about -- does the show want to redeem EJ? Do EJ/EJami fans want him to be redeemed? I think some people are concerned that the show wants to play him as a romantic interest without redemption. Others might object to the fact of redeeming him at all, while yet others might consider him already redeemed. I think some of the roundabout of the EJ discussion has to do with not being clear on what everyone wants here.
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I thought people were whining about wanting the DARK EJ to come out. It seems that there were on the road to redemption, sort of, and people didn't like how Sami figuratively castrated him.Can't have it both ways!
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Apr 18 2010, 03:26 PM
Actually that's what I'm confused about -- does the show want to redeem EJ? Do EJ/EJami fans want him to be redeemed? I think some people are concerned that the show wants to play him as a romantic interest without redemption. Others might object to the fact of redeeming him at all, while yet others might consider him already redeemed. I think some of the roundabout of the EJ discussion has to do with not being clear on what everyone wants here.
I think all soap characters should receive "redemption" after they do something shitty, and then move them on into their next Plot. But I don't think Redemption should translate into a complete transformation of the character's basic personality traits. I don't want or like Dark/Evil EJ. I like "gray EJ" somewhere in the middle, neither all good or all bad. Then when he screw up, show his remorse and humanity. I think James summed it up best for me that in order for EJami to be a couple, EJ has to become a little less bad and Sami has to become a little less good, and let them meet somewhere in the middle as a "gray couple." Each capable of despicable acts to keep it interesting, but also great remorse afterwards. IMO, this is the key to character longevity on a soap in general... but tptb rarely find the right balance.
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torn


I agree^

I don't like Dark EJ. For one, Dark EJ has hideous hair.

I liked him best somewhere in the middle. Or gray. Where he could definately be a little wicked, but really tried not to be. This EJ brings out the Sami I love. The slightly twisted soul she used to be. The Sami that EJ loves best. Like he said when he was beside her hospital bed while the read the Santeen letters. "You and I both know what we want, and stop at nothing to get it"
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