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Topic Started: Oct 1 2010, 12:30 AM (3,640 Views)
King
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I agree with dooldooldool.

I think the feelings most of us have for DAYS right now are perfectly normal.

I am sure it's a generational thing. Our glory DAYS were the Eileen Davidson and evil Sami. A lot of people watching then probably thought it was shit and yearned for the days of Shane and Kim, Steve and Kayla, etc.

I don't know if it is a testament of how bad DAYS have gotten or how fucking old we've gotten!!

Honestly, I was feeling that way about PSNS for its last four years on the air. Someone younger than I am probably is out there thinking "That PSNS/Vincent stuff on PSNS was the best!" I think it was PSNS at the worst. It's generational, I think. Cyclical.
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Oct 1 2010, 10:32 PM
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Oct 1 2010, 09:50 PM
.....However, Days sucks right now. With each episode that passes, I get that feeling more and more. That the real Days of Our Lives is pretty much gone for me, and I feel like nobody in charge even remembers what the show even is. It's sad. I hate the endless stupid stories, poor writing, repeated things, etc. There's no creativeness.......there's the constant Sami scenes. Does anybody even care about her, because I'm pretty sure nobody does.......
We all tend to recall the past as "better". If you were to find a stray VHS tape of a week's worth of shows from 95% of the weeks in the past 44 years, you would likely change your perspective. Those who live vicariously through YouTube snippets don't generally see the filler drivel that ranges from ghastly to cringeworthy to pathetic.

I have seen nearly every episode of DOOL since 1986. I was such a fanboy that I have collected 50+ VHS tapes (half of which are 8-10 hour VHS) through those years. I had a two VCR set-up and some basic editing skills, so I never saved entire shows, but instead edited scenes, deleting commercials and actors I despised (basically any recast or SORAS).

Even now, when I go back and look at those "memorable moments", I realize how bad some of those "great" scenes were, artistically and quality-wise. The "Real Days of Our Lives" that exists in each of our individual memories can never live up to the reality of what was.

I am also not a Samantha fan. I have never saved a single scene with Alison Sweeney, going so far as to edit her out of weddings, funerals, even the infamous Carrie Punch. I realize her value/importance to the show, but turning her from Scheming Bitch On Wheels to Drippy Heroine Torn Between Two Losers has been the biggest mistake the producers have ever made.
THANK YOU :applause: .

Best post of the year IMO.

Yes, alot of things were better in the past (production being one of them) but the basic quality of the stories isn't as bad as people claim. The pacing is different. The way romance is executed is different. Things like that but, you know what, that's what happens. Things evolve. If the Internet was what it is now in the 90's, we would have just as many people complaining as we do now. Same goes for the 80's. Over time, people's tastes change. Just check out how many people turn on some primetime shows they love over time. It's like once shows reach a certain point, everything becomes "tired," "crappily written" when it's not nearly as bad a dropoff as people make it out to be. I'm not saying mistakes aren't made and that ANY show can't do better but I bet if you went out and asked for people's opinions off the net, many of them would not be nearly as negative/jaded/pessimistic as many on the net are. I know someone is going to step in with a giant "who cares? It's my opinion" and that's fine. No one is wrong to have whatever view they have. I'm just trying to point out that just because this board thinks these shows stink or that changes are needed doesn't mean changes need to be made because there could be a large mass of people off the net who are eating this shit up and have no problems with the writing, production, who is on the frontburner, etc. That is my point.

I also agree with your other post about it being all about profits. If the HH and viewer numbers stink and the show is performing well in demos, that is all that is cared about. That is where the money is. The ratings system went from a flawed system to a completely obsolete system that now may as well not even be in existence anymore since I would wager at least 25% of viewership is online viewing (between torrents, youtube, the official show sites, other sites) and then you have later DVR viewing, which we half the time never even see the numbers for. Why they don't just wait to put out ratings reports that include later DVR viewing is beyond me because then at least people would have the full numbers. In that case, I guess I can't blame people for panicking when all they see is these numbers.
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King
Oct 1 2010, 10:56 PM
I agree with dooldooldool.

I think the feelings most of us have for DAYS right now are perfectly normal.

I am sure it's a generational thing. Our glory DAYS were the Eileen Davidson and evil Sami. A lot of people watching then probably thought it was shit and yearned for the days of Shane and Kim, Steve and Kayla, etc.

I don't know if it is a testament of how bad DAYS have gotten or how fucking old we've gotten!!

Honestly, I was feeling that way about PSNS for its last four years on the air. Someone younger than I am probably is out there thinking "That PSNS/Vincent stuff on PSNS was the best!" I think it was PSNS at the worst. It's generational, I think. Cyclical.
Ok...I didn't see this post before I responded (long night LOL) but I think you said what I said much better.

I used to feel the same way in the mid 90's. I was into Days nonstop until then but I didn't enjoy alot of what happened after Aremid in early 1996. Things became progressively more crazy and pointless. I saw the ratings going up for Days and I just didn't get it and, if there were message boards back then, I probably would've been like many others because that was before I took on the mindset that I'm just going to sit back and enjoy my show because it's never going to be what it was. I actually didn't really begin loving the show consistently again until late 1999 when the real Gina showed up and the brain chip stuff started winding down finally. After that, I began to enjoy the show again (even teen invasion 2001). Then, when I finally got into message boards, I noticed alot of people like me who loved the 80's and early 90's but hated when things got crazy in 1996-1997 and such. But then you had a bunch of people who loved JER's entire run and there were many debates over the stories and direction of the show. Now, I see the same thing happening now. You see so many people on the boards, many of those who enjoyed the 90's Days because that is what they grew up on, hating what is happening now. I can sympathize because that is how I felt in the latter part of the 90's. It didn't feel like Days to me either from about 1996-1999. The cast was changing. The stories were over the top. But, then, I see people who either watched Days sparingly or never have and they enjoy it. I've also seen lapsed viewers tune back in but they hadn't watched in so long that they had no issues with the cast changes or stories because they had detached themselves for so long from it that it didn't matter.

Sometimes you just grow out of a show or, sometimes, your just ready to move on because it's not what YOU want it to be. Like King noted, it's normal. Not everyone can be like me and others and just sit back, accept that the show has changed and will continue to change, and try to enjoy it for however long it sticks around. Everyone is different with different tastes and limits. It took me awhile but I've learned to back off people about this kind of stuff because it's not going to change anything and it shouldn't. People feel how they feel. If they want the show they once had back, all power to them. It's not going to happen but all power to them LOL.
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dooldooldool
Oct 1 2010, 10:17 PM
Cerulean
Oct 1 2010, 12:51 PM
......If the ratings at the end of the week are any indicator, a 1.6 is more likely. So for those who have been following Days far longer than I have, why hasn't Higley and/or Tomlin been fired?
Because there aren't many other programs that could get 1.6 on NBC in the 1PM timeslot. It won't be long before ratings do not count AT ALL. The whole ratings system is collapsing in The 2010 Media World. Industry insiders know this. Ad buyers know this. Network executives know this. New owners Comcast know this.

As was noted earlier, it's all about profits. If a program (any program) can bring ad dollars, it will stay on the air. I haven't noticed a decline in ad quality this year. There aren't cheapo ads for TimeLife Christian Music Compilations or Swivel-Motorized Chairs like there were a couple years ago.

It's a new world. The metrics for net viewing are evolving. The metrics for Nielsen are dying. As long as advertisers are still buying, the show will stay on the schedule
Currently Neilsens are what matter most. My Generation and Lonestar were pulled after only two episodes due to low ratings, ATWT and GL were both removed from the airwaves after more than a century because of weak numbers. Online viewing raises revenue, but apparently it doesn't help enough. Corday went into panic mode in May over Neilsen results that were much better than the ones Days is earning now. :shrug:
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Cerulean
Oct 3 2010, 10:44 AM
Currently Neilsens are what matter most. My Generation and Lonestar were pulled after only two episodes due to low ratings, ATWT and GL were both removed from the airwaves after more than a century because of weak numbers. Online viewing raises revenue, but apparently it doesn't help enough. Corday went into panic mode in May over Neilsen results that were much better than the ones Days is earning now. :shrug:
But you have always compare with the rest of programs. Their pulled the shows out of airwaves because rival shows with similar costs were able to bring much better numbers. Is this true for daytime? When the network executive looks at these numbers he will most likely shrugs because there is no sign anything else could bring better numbers. So he will look at the ratings, he will look at the costs, he will look at numbers other rival and/or nonscripted programs are able to bring and their costs and he will make the decision. From the little we know DAYS (due it´s drastic budget cuts and effective production) is still bringing good money to NBC. Would they happier with Y/R numbers? Of course. But Y/R is also much more expensive. And the difference is even more daring when compared with GH which Frons pumps money into all the time hoping a miracle happens and the show will be profitable again.

There is no doubt if/when the executives find some new cheap talk/reality show which will be able to bring better numbers for the same money DAYS and other soaps are toast. But so far that´s apparently not the case. Even relatively popular The View is usually only third/fourth behind Y/R, GH and sometime DAYS in demos. And CBS´s gameshows are hardly some new hip programming and the network reportedly have to sell the ad space during them for much less than they were able during soaps.

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Cerulean
Oct 3 2010, 10:44 AM
dooldooldool
Oct 1 2010, 10:17 PM
Cerulean
Oct 1 2010, 12:51 PM
......If the ratings at the end of the week are any indicator, a 1.6 is more likely. So for those who have been following Days far longer than I have, why hasn't Higley and/or Tomlin been fired?
Because there aren't many other programs that could get 1.6 on NBC in the 1PM timeslot. It won't be long before ratings do not count AT ALL. The whole ratings system is collapsing in The 2010 Media World. Industry insiders know this. Ad buyers know this. Network executives know this. New owners Comcast know this.

As was noted earlier, it's all about profits. If a program (any program) can bring ad dollars, it will stay on the air. I haven't noticed a decline in ad quality this year. There aren't cheapo ads for TimeLife Christian Music Compilations or Swivel-Motorized Chairs like there were a couple years ago.

It's a new world. The metrics for net viewing are evolving. The metrics for Nielsen are dying. As long as advertisers are still buying, the show will stay on the schedule
Currently Neilsens are what matter most. My Generation and Lonestar were pulled after only two episodes due to low ratings, ATWT and GL were both removed from the airwaves after more than a century because of weak numbers. Online viewing raises revenue, but apparently it doesn't help enough. Corday went into panic mode in May over Neilsen results that were much better than the ones Days is earning now. :shrug:
My Generation and Lonestar had awful viewer numbers but, if their demos were decent, they wouldn't be gone. Look at pretty much all of NBC's Thursday night lineup. Their viewer numbers STINK (except The Office, which does ok) but their demos are decent enough to keep them on the air. I used to think total viewers and HH numbers meant alot too but I've learned in the past year from people on this board and elsewhere that they don't matter much at all anymore. Check out any ratings press release by a network, whether it has to do with daytime or primetime. EVERY single one focuses on demos (18-49, 18-34). If the demos are bad, even if the show is up in viewers, alot of times you don't even get a press release. Something I learned last year when Days was going up in viewers and HH throughout the Fall and winter. Days would have some great weeks where they hit 2.3 in HH and had good total viewer numbers but their demos didn't do much and, when they did, that was the only time NBC came out with a press release priaisng the show. In fact, throughout most of Days surge in late 2009 and early 2010, the 18-49 (the key demo) and 18-34 numbers declined and it was a sign of things to come. Other networks have done the same. It's all about demos. That is where the money is and that is the focus now of TV ratings. Therefore, NBC and all the other networks could care less about HH and total viewers. Yes, it's nice to have good numbers there but, if the demos are shit, ad rates drop and the shows no longer are as profitable. That is all this is about. It's a business. It has to be profitable. Once it isn't, THAT is when cancellation becomes a viable option.

Haven't you ever noticed press releases and the way ratings are posted on this site (especially primetime ratings), Cereulean? You should check out every one of the primetime ratings posts Rick makes and the ratings reports on TVByTheNumbers. The winner of the night is usually the winner in demos. That decides the true #1 show now. Same goes for soaps. If you can do well in demos in 18-49, your good to go.
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It's why shows on CW that would be instant axe targets on other networks are so big on CW. When the network was the WB it was the same way. One Tree Hill's numbers may be not enough to save it on ABC, NBC or even Fox (if it's even their type of show), but one look at those teen and young demos on the CW at upfront presentations and the advertisers are like "how much do you want?"
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Agreed, PR.

That's why I think when all is said and done...even though DAYS has been a part of my life for 17 years (Shit, I'm old!) SUNSET BEACH will go down as my fav soap. It was only on for three years. My soap viewing was at an all time high then. My love for soaps was also at an all time high then, as well. It came in on a high note and left on a high note. It never had time to peeter out for me. And I was young enough to enjoy it without real world worries/priorities interfering in my watching it.

I will always follow DAYS, but I think my days of being a hardcore viewer are over. I think we just outgrow shows (primetime and daytime.)
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Oct 3 2010, 10:44 AM
Currently Neilsens are what matter most. My Generation and Lonestar were pulled after only two episodes due to low ratings.........Corday went into panic mode in May over Neilsen results that were much better than the ones Days is earning now. :shrug:
ABC's "My Generation" ratings were less than ONE-THIRD of its leading competitor (CBS Comedies) in both the demo and overall audience numbers and ONE-HALF of what FOX and NBC were getting. That's why the show is history. It paled in comparison to its rivals.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/10/01/tv-ratings-thursday-my-generation-crashes-30-rock-steady-most-shows-fall/65945

FOX's "Lone Star" had 1/7th the ratings of ABC in both the demo and overall audience. And 1/3rd of CBS. And barely one-half of what NBC was getting. That's why it's toast.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/09/28/tv-ratings-monday-lone-star-flat-out-dead-chuck-the-event-chase-five-0-all-fall/65393

When Lets Make A Deal or The Nate Berkus Show, or reruns of Real Housewives (which have been reran to death on Bravo for a half-decade) become ratings juggernauts, then the soaps will die. Aside from the Y+R juggernaut, the remaining soaps are pretty much bunched together ratingswise.

The demise of SoapNet and the Comcast purchase of NBC will change some of the dynamics down the road. NBC has plenty of problems, the first of which being that the 2009 JAY LENO 10PM shows were actually HIGHER RATED that the new shows NBC has in 2010. And we all saw how NBC panicked with Jay @10PM. Well, these new programs are doing worse, both in the demo and overall. Plus, while Jay is beating Dave in Late Night, Jay continues to do worse than Conan@1135PM.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/09/30/leno’s-tonight-show-ratings-tie-conan’s-for-premiere-week-remind-me-why-beating-letterman-is-important/65958
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King
Oct 4 2010, 12:05 AM
Agreed, PR.

That's why I think when all is said and done...even though DAYS has been a part of my life for 17 years (Shit, I'm old!) SUNSET BEACH will go down as my fav soap. It was only on for three years. My soap viewing was at an all time high then. My love for soaps was also at an all time high then, as well. It came in on a high note and left on a high note. It never had time to peeter out for me. And I was young enough to enjoy it without real world worries/priorities interfering in my watching it.

I will always follow DAYS, but I think my days of being a hardcore viewer are over. I think we just outgrow shows (primetime and daytime.)
I feel the same way, Mike. Sunset Beach will probably forever stay my favorite soap opera. It was the first soap I started watching from episode 1 and I have seem most of the episodes. I think Y&R had more quality in their stories and acting and production, but I will still love SuBe more.

And yes, I do feel we outgrow soaps. I tried to enjoy soap many times in the last few years, but I just can't get into them anymore as much as I used to.
Edited by Manny, Oct 4 2010, 01:05 PM.
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I think I have replaced my love of soaps with Showtime and Bravo's lineups. LOL.
Edited by King, Oct 4 2010, 09:31 PM.
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Oct 4 2010, 09:30 PM
I think I have replaced my love of soaps with Showtime and Bravo's lineups. LOL.
I know the feeling!! My favorites are HGTV and the Food Network. It's better to watch than some of the soaps on right now! Kind of sad, isn't it?
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Oct 4 2010, 09:49 PM
King
Oct 4 2010, 09:30 PM
I think I have replaced my love of soaps with Showtime and Bravo's lineups. LOL.
I know the feeling!! My favorites are HGTV and the Food Network. It's better to watch than some of the soaps on right now! Kind of sad, isn't it?
I'll take Food Network over ANY of the soaps.
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I haven't gotten into the Food Network really except for the Great Food truck Race cuz it reminds me of The Amazing Race! Haha
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That's a great show!! I just watch the network just to watch and then I go in my kitchen and start cooking!! LOL You would be surprised at what you can learn!! :)
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