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EastEnders Discussion
Topic Started: Oct 13 2010, 01:57 AM (63,263 Views)
Grandpa Hughes
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"Dedicated to the brotherhood of healing. "

And I know Abi is still the front runner but, other than no longer thinking that Whitney was involved, I still think Jane or Cindy or Denise. I'll be disappointed if it's Abi. Haha.
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Drew
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I wish it were someone else. None of these jump out as murderer. I can't even remember Abi sharing a scene with Lucy.
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Bright Eyes
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Another dreadful Carter week. For the love of God, blow these horrible soul crushing, show stealing people up. They suck. When a rapist is the only likable character in a family, you know they're shit.
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Manny
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Is this week the live/anniversary week? I should tune in! :D
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CarlD2
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Yes.

Schedule. http://metro.co.uk/2015/01/31/diaries-at-the-ready-bbc-reveals-eastenders-live-week-details-5043583/

I hope they reveal Lucy killed herself to get away from Danny Dyer's atrocious acting.
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Manny
Feb 8 2015, 11:20 AM
Is this week the live/anniversary week? I should tune in! :D
It's next week. The week of the 16th. Definitely tune in. Whenever the show isn't Carter central, I usually enjoy it.
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CarlD2
Feb 8 2015, 11:30 AM
Yes.

Schedule. http://metro.co.uk/2015/01/31/diaries-at-the-ready-bbc-reveals-eastenders-live-week-details-5043583/

I hope they reveal Lucy killed herself to get away from Danny Dyer's atrocious acting.


Bright Eyes
Feb 8 2015, 11:56 AM
Manny
Feb 8 2015, 11:20 AM
Is this week the live/anniversary week? I should tune in! :D
It's next week. The week of the 16th. Definitely tune in. Whenever the show isn't Carter central, I usually enjoy it.


Thanks, guys! I am planning to tune in, although I have not watched this shows for a few years. But I wanna see Lucy's murderer revelation play out (live). So next week then.. cool :D
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Drew
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The Carters are the best thing about this show at the moment.
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CarlD2
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Lee Carter's perfect ass is a highlight.

The rest...eh.
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What's the alternative? The eventual reunion of Kat and Alfie?

Massive props to the Dot and Nick story though.
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Drew
Feb 9 2015, 10:56 AM
What's the alternative? The eventual reunion of Kat and Alfie?

Massive props to the Dot and Nick story though.
I've wanted Alfie to die so badly for so long. Kat needs to be free again. We need a return of Kat SLATER, the witty, cutting bitch who didn't give a fuck (except when she did!).

The Dot/Nick/Ronnie/Charlie story is easily the best thing about the show.
Edited by Bright Eyes, Feb 9 2015, 02:03 PM.
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Drew
Feb 9 2015, 10:56 AM
What's the alternative? The eventual reunion of Kat and Alfie?

Massive props to the Dot and Nick story though.
That's part of the problem. Once you take away the suicidal singalongs of the Carters, there's nothing underneath. The show is still very soggy and leaden and DTC is ignoring that because of his need to push his own family stories (he's said the Carters are like his family).

I would have said the Ronnie/Charlie story was a highlight, but I can't after this week.

So for positives I'm left with Sharon being better written, and...Shabnam's not bad. And I think the new Ben was great casting, even if the writing is poor.
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I don’t expect anything from the current Eastenders producer, but considering that he created Roxy, I’d think he would remember that the one-nighter with her sister’s boyfriend was an extremely unpopular storyline that led many fans to hate the character, helped make many fans just see Jack as a manwhore who would work his way through every blonde Mitchell woman (at one point some of us were wondering when he would give Peggy the eye), and all but destroyed the relationship between Roxy and Ronnie.

Then you have Ronnie, who has had a loop of misery for years on end, to the point where Sam Womack eventually quit the show. It was important that she have some period of happiness, with a man who certainly wasn’t perfect, but who was faithful to her.

Then you have Charlie, one of the few popular new male characters from a show and a producer that has consistently failed to create popular new male characters in recent years. (Remember Calum? The Moon brothers? Joey? Leon? Lee?)

So what do we get?

Yet another affair storyline that is based solely on the soap cliche that of course a sibling has to have it off with the spouse of their sibling.

Getting a hard-on because you find out your wife might never wake up from a coma is pretty damn sick, stupid writing.

And this just makes Roxy look like trash.

Dominic Treadwell Collins still seems to think he can make Eastenders into another Dallas or Dynasty.

Those shows had terrible last years for a reason. And one of the reasons is because of inane plots like what we saw last night.

You are destroying the integrity of your characters for a “shocking” storyline NO ONE wants to see.
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Grandpa Hughes
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"Dedicated to the brotherhood of healing. "

Was I imagining it or was Nick sitting in the same room where they found Reg Cox?
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Yes, it was the same room.

In the runup to the anniversary, I watched Thursday's full show.

DTC has never been good at day-to-day episodes, but I was still surprised at just how lethargic and disjointed the whole thing was for the setup to an endlessly hyped week that is supposed to celebrate 30 years on the air.

Anyway, worst to best...

- Roxy/Charlie nonsense. What a lazy mess. I couldn't help noticing that Charlie never expressed one hint of regret for sleeping with his sister-in-law (instead just saying he'd needed a piece of her because he was so upset about Ronnie - classy guy blaming your wife for your whoring ways), nor did he say he wouldn't do it again, even when Roxy all but begged him to say it. They'll be [!@#$%^&*] again by springtime. I hear talk about how it's OK because Roxy and Charlie have such "chemistry," but I struggle to find it. All I see is Jack 2.0 - a passive, gormless loser who sticks it in the sisters at random intervals like his own personal porn movie. If Daniella Westbrook comes back one last time I think we can guess what her story will be. And how utterly pathetic he was to sit there silent as Roxy harangued his grandmother (please writers, don't make Rita Symons try to say the word "deliberately" ever again) only to then go back to Dot later on and say he was wrong. I hope Dot gives him a motorbike for his birthday.

While I'm at it - this idiocy pissed all over what should have been a great soap moment in Ronnie waking up from her coma. Now the focus won't be on her recovery, but instead on her husband's penis and her slut of a sister. Awful awful writing. DTC does not get drama. This is parodies of soap trash. It's not drama.

- Ian/Jane wedding. I don't give a damn. I haven't given a damn since 2007. I get the idea - Ian is trying to lull himself into happiness and Jane is trying to support him because she feels bad for him and/or she was involved in Lucy's murder. And we need them to get married yet again for a big anniversary week, so his world will come crashing down. It's just so washed-out. Ian has a hissy and various people react and Jane does his bidding. I'm sure if they stay together, we'll get more passive-aggressive Jane blankface sourness, more prossie visits, and more of Jane practically cutting open the bellies of random pregnant women. Thrilling stuff. I was never a Jane/Masood fan but she had more life with him in their brief conversation than she's had with Ian in a decade.

- Alfie/Kat. Woo-eee. A man burns down a flat while his wife is sleeping inside, leaving her with significant burns and intense pain. What do we get? Of course, she has to shape up and go get her man. Whatever. I don't care how big a bulge he has in his jeans, he's not worth it. And I'm sure Kat has had much bigger anyway. This whole thing smells of rewritten/dropped storylines.

- Donna the token disabled character needs a man. I guess Pam Coker is supposed to be "quirky" and "endearing," but if I were Donna I would have given her a slap. What a horribly patronizing person she is. This was pointless filler but was OK for what it was. I liked that she found a guy for some fun on her own, instead of going after Alfie.

- Dot and the drug den. The dialogue was lousy ("Ma gimme a fix!" "Give me my fix!" - I think we get it, Jack Webb) and the whole thing is a rehash of a rehash, but June Brown was at her best, and John Altman was subdued by John Altman standards. We all know how this goes, but unlike other stories on repeat, the history makes sense and it doesn't just feel like a regurgitation.

The scene of Dot wandering back into the place after being sure she'd driven Nick away were very very good - great camera work. It looked like she was wandering into Hell, which she was, given that Nick has always been her true punishment and Hell.

- Lauren's secrets. Jacqueline Jossa and Lacey Turner have always worked well together, and that comes in handy here. Jossa makes the weight of the whole thing believable, instead of seeming like a stalling tactic. Stacey's very damaged past with lies and murder also makes her the right person to put opposite Lauren here. Points to the Ian/Max scene where Ian tells them not to come to the wedding, and instead of "right, get orra ma house!" and chest-thumping, Max just said, "Fine," and a confused Ian shuffled out the door.
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Anyone watching the Back to Ours?

Did the Ian/Jane one just spoil a Steven recast? In the scene of him shooting Jane, Adam Woodyatt says "All the kids(plural) have different heads", but the scene only had Lucy and Steven.
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Drew
Feb 13 2015, 07:33 PM
Anyone watching the Back to Ours?

Did the Ian/Jane one just spoil a Steven recast? In the scene of him shooting Jane, Adam Woodyatt says "All the kids(plural) have different heads", but the scene only had Lucy and Steven.
I'm absolutely loving them. I wish all the soaps did this all year round. The first was a huge let down, but the rest have been fantastic. Womack and Simons making fun of Maslen for screwing up on the live episode was the best moment of all.
Edited by Bright Eyes, Feb 13 2015, 09:28 PM.
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Stephen was recast multiple times.
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Anyway, Friday's episode. This time, best to worst:

- Nick's death. Overall, very strong scenes. I could have done without the history lessons, as it felt too expository, but Daran Little switched it up somewhat by having them talk about their feelings at the time. I especially liked Dot's line about how after he'd started taking heroin as a teen, his eyes had scared her. For all the talk of these supposedly exciting, thrilling new characters, the most genuine heart and drama on the canvas comes from Dot and her painful past. Strong praise for June Brown, and yes, to John Altman, who let the scenes be about Dot even though they were his last on the show, and who gave a credible performance.

- Lauren's eye exercises. You could believe the walls were closing in on her, and while having her bug her eyes out at anyone or everyone who walked into a room with her was ridiculous, I think having Lauren, with her very traumatic, self-destructive past, struggle with this burden is very strong drama. I also liked her bitter words to Stacey and Max, which were true to the characters and relationships. The cop was annoying - if they are going to always write cops this way (sour and full of harsh quips), they need to find better actors.

- Denise with Kim and Patrick. It was nice to see them at home, just having a normal day. Rudolph Walker is such an underrated actor.

- Denise's home truths. Yes, she shouldn't have gone to the party, but she was right about Ian, and it's obvious that Jane didn't even disagree, only covering her true feelings because of whatever lies or plans she has going on. This would have nearly topped the Dot/Nick scenes for me if Denise had knocked some teeth out of Sonia's mouth for smirking at her that way. Sonia always looks like she doesn't have teeth anyway.

- Catty cows grazing around the Beale home. Sharon didn't really say much of anything, but Linda and Sonia said more than enough. How rude to go into someone's home to celebrate their wedding and eat their food and drink their booze, and talk crap about them, bring up instances involving their murdered daughter, etc. I have no idea why Sonia was even there. And Linda continues to be utterly vacuous as a character when she isn't frowning the day away. Waste of airtime through and through.

- Stan's shaming sessions. If they'd had Mick tell Shirley he still doesn't forgive her and is pretending for Stan, I could have bought it, but otherwise, this wrapup (Mick forgiving Shirley trying to kill him at birth, lying to him for decades, supporting his wife's rapist, moving said rapist into their home) is absurd. And it makes the stalling of last year even more absurd. All that, and the ruination of Dean as a character, for this and a shitty Christmas cliffhanger? Yet again DTC lives for hype and flunks at followthrough. And how is it that Shirley became the victim in all of this? This family is so drab and miserable and toxic. Why am I supposed to care about any of these people? They're terrible for each other and a huge drain on the show as a whole.
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First avatar here - had to be Angie. I loved Angie so much. Always will.
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