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American Horror Story: Discussion; Ryan Murphy's new psycho-sexual thriller
Topic Started: Aug 25 2011, 03:01 AM (10,305 Views)
Andre


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Dec 15 2011, 03:43 PM
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Andre


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Dec 15 2011, 09:53 PM
I had a feeling Vivian would die after they did the Tate reveal. I'm thinking Tate might not be gone gone. Can't wait for next week's episode although I'm sad it's the last for the season.
I figured she'd die after Addy told Vivian in the premiere that Vivian was going to die.
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I am really glad I have stayed out of this thread for the most part. I was totally shocked to learn VIolet was dead! I just read that some of you have been suspecting it.

I couldn't believe it! I gasped!

I didn't like the birth episode.

Looking forward to the finale, but I am going to miss this show. I think it might be a one season wonder.
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Finale night! Can't wait...
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Finale night..Can't wait!! But starting to get a little bummed, after tonight most of my fall shows are done..Homeland, Dexter and American Horror Story...
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That is totally not what I expected from the finale but I loved it anyway.

I don't know why I was thinking Ben would survive, but alas, he didn't. I should've known Hayden would kill him.

I really liked the scenes with the new family moving in and the Harmons scaring the shit out of them. That whole segment was filler but it was fun to watch. Also, we finally learned why Ben got up in the middle of the night and held his hand over the stove in the first episode -- Larry's wife (the one who was burned alive) wanted him to "feel her pain."

I laughed when "Little Drummer Boy" started playing as the Harmons decorated their tree. From a horror story to a Christmas special in two seconds flat.

The ending was disturbing. Now that we know the demon baby is in fact evil, I'm guessing next season is going to be a play on "The Omen." Ryan Murphy made it sound like the psychic was full of shit when she said Vivian was pregnant with the Antichrist, but apparently he was just trying to throw people off because that baby is clearly evil, LoL.

I really like the idea of each season paying homage to different types of horror movies. This season's horror story was about a haunted house, next season will be The Omen featuring Jessica Lange, the season after that... The Exorcist? The Shining? I'll be really impressed if Ryan Murphy is able to keep this going and keep it all connected at the same time.
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I didn't expect the finale to end the way it did either. I had a feeling Ben would kill himself. I thought the writers would want all of the Harmons dead so that next season would be about them being the ghosts and interacting with the new family moving into the house. And I thought for sure the final scene would be the new family moving in. Well, I realized I was wrong at 25 minutes after the show began, LOL!

I was pretty surprised to see Ben in the rubber suit. When the wife got attacked, I didn't think it was Ben because I remembered the Harmons saying they don't want the couple to have a baby. If the rubber suit is going to rape the woman, a baby may be produced. It took a few seconds for me to realize the family was only scaring the new family.

I have a feeling next season is going to be all about the good ghosts vs. the bad ghosts.

A few questions about tonight...

Who was the third person helping Larry and Hayden kill Ben? There was another woman there. At first, I thought it was Vivien, but she had a white top on and this woman had a blue/grey top.

How come Moira aged and none of the other ghosts have? Has that ever been explained?
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I was really bored and disappointed with the finale..I think the finale worked well, if the show moves away from the house and just focusses on Constance and the baby...And does a take on The Omen..I really feel like they've done all they can do in the house with the ghosts now...We all thought season 2 would be a new family moving in. Well they did that tonight, so they obviously can't do that next season..

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Dec 22 2011, 01:15 AM
Who was the third person helping Larry and Hayden kill Ben? There was another woman there. At first, I thought it was Vivien, but she had a white top on and this woman had a blue/grey top.
That wasn't Larry with Hayden. That was one of the guys who broke in during the Home Invasion episode. The woman was one of the intruders as well. They both died in the house.
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It was definitely different, bu I liked it. I loved when they were taking turns "killing" each other.

My screen was dark so I had a hard time making out what was hastening when the new got out of bed like Ben did before.

I think the freakiest part was when it was revealed that Constance was keeping the baby in that mirror room thing.
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Kevc1980
Dec 22 2011, 02:51 AM
We all thought season 2 would be a new family moving in. Well they did that tonight, so they obviously can't do that next season..
Last night's episode showed why it wouldn't work to have another family move into the house and tell the same story all over again. It would be redundant. The scares that worked this season wouldn't work next season because we've already seen them. The mysteries have all been solved.

I really like the idea of next season moving on from the house and telling the story of baby Michael. Is he the Antichrist? Will his birth usher in the end of the world? Next season would be the perfect time to tell that story since the finale would air in mid-December, right about the time people think the world is going to end, LoL.

The season after that could feature a different horror story altogether -- one that, while radically different from the season before, would still be connected to it in some way. Like a soap opera, one story should lead to the next and the next. I think that's the best way for this series to play out rather than each season being self-contained.
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'American Horror Story': Ryan Murphy talks the game-changing season finale -- EXCLUSIVE

I’m not sure there’s another show on TV that would have the guts to kill off its lead characters and that’s what makes AHS‘ finale such an exhilarating shocker. In the end, Ben Harmon (Dylan McDermott) joined his dead wife Vivien (Connie Britton) and dead daughter Violet (Taissa Farmiga) in the afterlife once vengeful ghost-stress Hayden (Kate Mara) hung him from the house’s balcony. (If you were wondering what Ryan Murphy was alluding to in last week’s Q&A, about “the most shocking scene we’ve ever done,” this is the moment he was talking about.) Plus, Constance (Jessica Lange) ended up with yet another baby who appears to be a deviant killer. EW talked to Ryan Murphy exclusively about the FX series’ twisty (and twisted) climax.

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: The prologue seemed to tease that the house pulled the Harmons to it. Was that what you were implying?
RYAN MURPHY: I don’t know if they were targeted. I don’t think the Internet site had any supernatural pull to it… although that would have been hilarious. I thought it was two things: it was house porn because I think that house really is extraordinary. And also I think there’s always that allure in American lives of the fresh start, moving West, starting fresh.

Seeing that Vivien was prepared to leave made it even more tragic.
I loved how they both played that scene.

My favorite scene in the entire episode was when they’re scaring the family; it reminded me of Beetlejuice.
Oh really? I never thought of that.

But my truly favorite moment was when she guts him and then he shoots her in the head and they’re both like, “You have no idea how long I’ve wanted to do this.”
Don’t you think every married couple in America will stand up and cheer at that scene? I know for Connie and Dylan that was the thing they loved doing the most.

I did worry about how that will affect the Rubber Man suit.
You know what? That’s true. That probably is the end of Rubber Man after that scene because the suit was ruined.

Vivien seemed so at peace with everything even throughout Ben potentially moving and her seeing her living baby.
That was purposeful. Unlike most of the people in the house, in fact maybe the only one, she died surrounded by love. So I think that made her a little more at peace: accepting, not fighting. She sorta died at peace in some weird way. I was really excited that in the afterlife they have such great blow-dryers.

Also they have stylists!
They do. You look really good when you’re dead. What I loved about that is that I think everybody, particularly women, would like to think they looked most beautiful in the afterlife. So it made sense to me that she did that.

Was there ever a moment you thought about diverting from all the Harmons dying? Like maybe we should keep Vivien alive?
No, because that would really screw the whole story up. I loved how it began. I loved it in the middle and I loved the end. The only thing really frustrating for me, to be honest with you, is that sometimes people would write this idea that we were making it up as we went along and I wanted to say, “Really?” But I think now people are writing and saying, “Oh yeah!” I’m excited for people to see it on DVD, because now that they know how it ended, [they can] go back and see all of the little things, like people who have no reflections in mirrors. When you go back, you will see everything was set up.

That is interesting in the sense that The Killing had such a controversial finale because it didn’t pay off for viewers, while this did answer pretty much all questions.
Working on many shows, I feel like this was the [finale] I was most proud of because that was the through-line from the beginning. I feel like that first season of American Horror Story by design feels like a little Edgar Allen Poe novella. It was designed to be very contained.

Was Constance raising the demon child always part of your plan too?
Yes, because the thing about Constance was she was the biggest survivor. Very early on I pitched out that last line, “What am I going to do with you?” to the writers room, and I loved how Jessica played it with both fear and pride. It was a very weird little moment. There had been some discussion very early on, right around episode 3, about how do we kill Constance, and I was like, that’s never gonna happen.

The odd thing about the ending of that is I love how we could get a redemptive Christmas scene in a horror show. And I loved that it was actually a very uplifting ending where everybody got what they wanted. That’s another interesting criticism about the show: People say, “I don’t like the Harmons.” Look, they did terrible things to each other — there’s no doubt about it. Particularly Dylan was a real antihero. But I think you ultimately cared about them at the end and you forgave their bad behavior and choices because I think in death they all had a sort of redemption and an awareness and a growth. I think it’s funny that in death with the stillborn baby… that Dylan can say “I’ve never been happier.” I think that’s such fantasy to people to think that the afterlife is the ultimate redemption and the ultimate peace and finally I will lose all my demons.

The new family, the Ramos’, seemed to immediately move into the house and have baby fever. Is the house projecting that on them?
No, I think that’s how it is for most people when they move to a new nest. But I love little things about the finale. Like, I loved finally that we have explained why people sleepwalk and go to the fire. Who’s drawing them there?

It seemed like at the end, the Harmons had figured out how to exist in the house without interacting with the unpleasant folks like Tate and Hayden.
Yes. I always thought that the Harmons would become the alpha people of that house, particularly Vivien. I thought she would be the matriarch. I personally think Violet will never speak to Tate again. I feel like he deserved pain. I think the biggest justice for him could be to not get the one thing he wanted, which is love.

Basically Tate’s and Hayden’s comeuppance is that they end up alone.
That’s exactly right. That’s what we wanted for them. Alone and tormented.

And I loved that Moira got what she always wanted, which was a family.
Yes, exactly. She progressed beyond her servitude and was seen as a true member of the family and a woman. I always thought, amongst all the characters, she was the most tragic to me. I’m glad that she got her happy ending.

It was almost like a curtain call at the end with all of the previous ghosts showing up. I forgot about the bug man.
We always wanted that act to be the Grand Guignol cavalcade. I love the idea too that some of those ghosts are benevolent and some aren’t interested in helping people. It was fun to have arguments in the writer’s room like, Who’s the nice ghost? Who’s the mean ghost? Who’s the vengeful ghost? Who would help?

Is the Infantata still alive?
He’s down there scavenging for bugs and eating possums until some other poor souls go down there.

I just read that American Horror Story is the highest time-shifted show of the year, which basically means the most DVR’d. Why do you think that is?
I think it’s two things: I think a lot of people don’t like to watch this show at night before they go to bed. And I think a lot of people like to watch it in groups. Ultimately, I’m really proud to do a show that’s too terrifying to watch when it airs.
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The finale worked well as it tied up the haunted house story. As much as I like the characters, I do hope Kenny is right. I want a whole different story arc next season featuring Constance and the demon baby..I think that would work well...They really need to move away from the house/ghost stories..
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I really liked the finale - it tied up all the loose ends and laid the foundations for next season with the anti-christ kid and Constance. With all the mystery around the house solved (except the why souls get stuck there), keeping the show in the house next season would get stale quick. If there were any negatives to the finale, it would be it wasn't very high stakes. But I still found it a very satisfying conclusion. It almost feels as if the show was written as a self contained mini-series.

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How come Moira aged and none of the other ghosts have? Has that ever been explained?


I asked that question a while back. I think the answer is the ghosts can project themselves to be anything they want. For example, when the ghosts were trying to scare the Ramos family away, the 'Black Dahlia' girl ghost appeared with her body severed in two but when she was a patient with Ben, she was full bodied. I think Moira chooses to present herself to be old because she sees herself as a self-pitying old maid, but her 'natural' form actually is the young hot maid.

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Basically Tate’s and Hayden’s comeuppance is that they end up alone.
That’s exactly right. That’s what we wanted for them. Alone and tormented.


I found that very rewarding. I never understood all this Tate-Violet soulmate crap. It reminds me of Ejami fans lol.
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After all the shit they went through, I'm glad the Harmons got a happy ending. Or at least, as happy an ending as they could get when they're all dead, LoL.

I'm curious to see how they'll build the next season around the demon child. I hope it lives up to the first season, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have some doubts. It felt like all the ingredients were right in Season 1. But, at the same time, I see now how the show can't stay centered around the house.
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As long as Jessica Lange would continue, I didn't care what happened lol.
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'American Horror Story' EP Ryan Murphy: Every season is a different haunting

"American Horror Story" brought its first season to an end Wednesday night (Dec. 21) leaving the viewers wondering what is going to happen with the Harmon family and their supporting characters in Season 2. Executive producer Ryan Murphy spoke with the press Thursday and spilled all the details (without spoilers) for next season.

"The only thing I guess I will say about that is next year of the show, every season of the show, will be a different haunting," says Murphy. "What you saw in the finale was the end of the Harmon house and the second season of the show will be a brand new home or building to haunt, I guess is the proper way to put it. Just like this year, every season of the show will have a beginning, a middle and an end."

"That being said, what we're going to do with the actors is some of them will be coming back," Murphy continues. "and also new faces on the show, but [the returning actors] will be playing completely different characters. Completely different creatures and monsters, etc."

Murphy also says that this idea of an "anthology show" was the "design of the show from the beginning," which he thinks is a "cool, interesting way to tell a horror show."

Along with the new haunting, Murphy says there will be a new theme for the show.

"Every season also, along with being a new haunting, will also have a new overriding theme," says Murphy. "The theme of this year, as I've said many times, was 'infidelity.' Next year will have a different theme and a new cast of characters to go with it."

We won't have to wait to long to find out who makes up the new cast and what the new storyline will be. Murphy says the full cast and the storyline for Season 2 will probably be announced in February.

Don't worry - not all the faces from Season 1 will be gone, but mum's the word on which ones may return and in what capacity. But it won't be the same as the first season.

"Connie and Dylan will not be playing the leads on the show," says Murphy. "Their stories are done. People that will be coming back will be playing completely new characters."

"I love those characters and I mourn them, I will miss them," Murphy continues. "But I think the aspects of the show everyone loves, the mysteries and the love stories, will all be there in the second season, albeit with new actors and new characters ... I just hope that people who love the show, I can say with 100% optimism I think they will love the second season, perhaps moreso, based on what we have cooked up."

If you were a fan of the true crime aspect of the show - Mena Suvari as the Black Dahlia, for example - don't worry. That won't be going away.

"We will always have characters or real-life situations based on American true-horror crimes. I'm not interested in doing another house, just a house story. We're not going to move to Maine and do another haunted cottage," says Murphy. "There are all different types of American horror stories to tell."

"I'm really interested in serial killing stories or true crime stories or prison stories, so that's the thing. You can see as long as we all do our good work and people are continually interested, that every year on the show is almost a little miniseries in itself and can be a completely radically different type of show," he continues.

But there is one topic that is off limits.

"I wouldn't do a season about vampires," Murphy laughs. "But everything else is fair game. What we're planning now is very different from the California house approach."

An official announcement about the new ensemble and storyline will be made in February. In the meantime, Murphy offered this tantalizing tease: “There’s a clue in the last three episodes where we say what the second season will be.”
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Kenny
Dec 22 2011, 04:08 PM
"[The returning actors] will be playing completely different characters. Completely different creatures and monsters, etc."
No more Constance. :(

I didn't expect the show to feature the same cast of characters every season, but I was really hoping Constance would be the one constant through all the different horror stories.
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An official announcement about the new ensemble and storyline will be made in February. In the meantime, Murphy offered this tantalizing tease: “There’s a clue in the last three episodes where we say what the second season will be.”
Very interesting. Any theories on what the clue might be?
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I'm not sure how I feel about this.
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What the hell? No Constance/Jessica Lange = No AHS! She's the one character they need to keep around permanently.
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