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Dexter: Season 6
Topic Started: Sep 28 2011, 09:43 PM (2,271 Views)
Andre


Scott Buck, congratulations on the worst season of Dexter in its history. The only things that were enjoyable or watchable were Mos Def's Father Sam character in the first half of the season and the final minute in the finale. And that final minute could have been done by any writer at any moment and be awesome, so no credit to you; in fact, it was done in the laziest, least climactic way possible. The Season 5 finale with Deb almost finding Dex had my heart racing; this time, I almost missed it because there was so little buildup.

Please: new show runner for Season 7!
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Such an anti-climatic finale to such a blah season. There are so many things wrong with this show now, and the interview that Kenny posted makes it seem Hogan Sheffer or some soapy douchebag is running things now. I guess I am too invested to not watch season 7 but I really wish I wasn't.

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TVLINE | So it probably doesn’t come as a shock that it was a polarizing season. I wanted to throw out some of the bigger criticisms. First off, many felt Travis (Colin Hanks) wasn’t a scary enough villain. He seemed almost cartoonish at times. How do you respond to that?
We never meant for him to be cartoonish. We meant for him to be complicated in a way so that you might have mixed feelings for him. You would generally feel sympathy or empathy for this man before fully realizing who he was. And once you do realize who he was, does that really make the issue that much different? Is he really that much more in control then if Professor Gellar had been real.


I never realised I really never had any empathy or was meant to until I read this lol.

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TVLINE | Finally, the reaction to a possible Deb-Dexter romance seems more negative than positive. There’s a genuine ick factor there. Will that impact how far you take the storyline in the final two seasons?
No. I’m not aware that there’s an ick factor, but that’s certainly not going to affect where we go with that story.


Really? No ick factor? I hope his sisters ran faster than him as a kid...

What really annoys me about this show is that Deb is nothing more than a plot device for Dexter. Sometimes she portrayed as a blithering idiot who couldn't write her name, nevermind run a police force while other times she is portrayed as James fucking Bond with a 190 IQ.

I wish I was done with this show, but arrrrgh. I want to see what fake out they use to open the season. Amnesia for Deb?
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Scott Buck, what the Fuck?
Finally Deb sees Dex kill, it's past time so that's a good thing. Somehow, someway, the writers had to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, so we get Deb's wannabeincest. "it came up several years ago" -when season 2, when Dexter walked in on Deb having sex with the children's book writer she hand cuffed, and later walked in on Dex asking him if he was trying to fuck Lila or set her on fire? I didn't read Deb's 'little miss pardon my tits' rant to Dexter as jealous, more how could you cheat on Rita -which is what it was. Deb knew something was off with Dexter, but her hang up was he and Harry didn't spend any time with her, now Buck seems to be invoking some variant of the 'that was then, this is now' rule. If this was an idea floating around the writers room for years, they should have damn well did a better job laying the ground work and save all the ret-con'ing they're going to have to do.
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The only way Deb doesn't know Dexter is a serial killer, is if she no longer remembers the events of season 2, but with these writers it's possible sudden-onset-incest-syndrome, has wiped her brain. The season 7 premier could just take place at that church with a little touch of the clip-show about it. The scene close to First Nurse where Harry told Dex if you find yourself slipping away hold on to your sister, and Deb wanted to know what the hell they were talking about. I remember Lundy talking about how the Bay Harbor butcher used duck tape and bubble wrap, the blood slide trophies, etc; all there for Deb to see in the church. I don't want her to fall for some 'I just ripped the Bay Harbor Butcher off Deb' line. My guess is the next secret they stretch out is 'Deb's in love with you Dexter', but the writers might have her blurt that out in season seven episode one just to have a total meltdown episode.
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I imagine the cliffhanger for season 7 is going to be Ghost Harry popping in to see Dex in bed with Deb and realize he is in fact the worst fuck up of a father ever.
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I loved Deb walking in at the end! I was thinking that ut might happen since she wanted to talk to him and she is one that sent him to the church to finish up the investigation.

I agree that Deb being in love with Dexter is gross. That came out of nowhere! I don't like it at all.
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With this two season pick up, does this mean there will be an eighth season, or will the seventh be its last?
Edited by Bright Eyes, Dec 20 2011, 09:20 AM.
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Bright Eyes
Dec 20 2011, 09:20 AM
With this two season pick up, does this mean there will be an eighth season, or will the seventh be its last?
There will be an eighth season.
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Dexter Boss Scott Buck on the Season Finale Twist

For six seasons of Dexter, Michael C. Hall's titular serial killer has hidden his true nature from those closest to him. But on the Showtime series' Season 6 finale, Dexter's "Dark Passenger" was finally revealed to his sister Debra (Jennifer Carpenter), who walked in on him stabbing a knife through the chest of Colin Hanks' Travis. And to top it off, just moments before, Deb realized/admitted she was actually in love with her adopted brother.

How will she feel now that she knows Dexter has a seriously killer hobby? TVGuide.com chatted with executive producer and showrunner Scott Buck to get the scoop on how the siblings will move forward from this discovery. Plus: Does Dexter need to die?

Deb finally knows! This is six seasons in the making. How do you feel now that this particular secret is out?
Scott Buck: I wouldn't say we dragged it out, but we played with it and toyed with it enough and now it's finally time to deal with it head-on. I feel very positive that we took this step.

How will this affect Deb and Dexter's relationship and your storytelling?
Buck: One of Dexter's hallmarks is that no one really knows who he is, and now Deb at least has a little peek behind the curtain. How much she actually knows and figures out will all be part of the drama of next season, but it's certainly going to affect our story in a very big way.

Did knowing you had two seasons left help you decide to pull the trigger on this story now?
Buck: We always imagined that Deb finding out would be part of the end game, so we always sort of delayed it. When we came in this year, David Nevins [said], "Let's shake things up. We don't have to play it safe. We can think a little bit differently this year." We decided it was finally time to deal with this head-on. There's still plenty of drama to come after this, but we know we have two seasons left to do and there's more than enough for us to deal with in the next two years just dealing with this one particular issue.

We saw a lot of growth in Deb through therapy. Will you continue to use that device as Deb sorts out her feelings after what she witnessed?
Buck: It's certainly possible. You don't go to six sessions of therapy and solve all your problems. It's an ongoing process. Typically, you may come to one discovery and have that lead to a completely different discovery about yourself. Whether we revisit the therapist or not is actually something we haven't even discussed. In the past, I've always been very reluctant to write therapy scenes because they often become so tedious, but this particular season, I was very pleasantly surprised to see how well they went. Because Deb is a character who's always been so un-self-aware so there was a lot that we could discover and there's probably a lot more to discover. Whether we do it through therapy or other means will remain to be seen.

Deb only saw Dexter kill Travis. Will you toy with the audience on whether she finds out the whole secret?
Buck: I don't think we'll toy with the audience. She sees what she sees and we all knows exactly what she's seeing, but how much does that really say about Dexter and what does Deb already know about him? This is her brother, who she's known her whole life. To walk into a situation like this, you're not going to immediately think, "Oh, my brother is a serial killer." You're going to think, "Oh, my brother is killing DDK. This is crazy and insane." She's taken the first peek behind the curtain, but it's not necessarily daylight just yet.

Is it safe to say the next season will see Dexter trying to contain this secret?
Buck: That will be his first instinct, yes. Dexter has learned to live a lie his whole life, and that's always his go-to response in any situation where he may potentially be discovered. It's just natural for him to spin a story.

Do you think Dexter meant "I love you" to Debra, or was he just saying it in the necessity of the moment to calm her down?
Buck: I think he meant it in a way that a brother would normally love his sister, but because Dexter had never even said so much as that before, for him, it was still a big moment that meant he could even be capable of loving his own sister. I don't think he meant it in any means beyond that or was aware of what Deb was telling him.

What ran through the writers' minds when you decided to possibly put Dexter and Deb together? This TV season seems to be the year of incest!
Buck: Somehow I missed it and was not aware that this is the big theme of the year. [Laughs] Honestly, it's something we've been talking about since Season 2 because it seemed to explain so much about the character of Debra Morgan, that she always seemed like she was so in love with her brother. It's something we always talked about [and] dismissed, and then this season we finally dealt with it.

What is the drive for next season?
Buck: We have the benefit of knowing that we have two seasons left, so we can start to really take the character of Dexter where we're going to want to end him in the finale. We no longer have to think of holding things in place and not giving things away because we can start to turn in some of those cards at this point. Obviously the biggest thing we set up is Deb has now seen him kill someone. What does this mean? How will it affect Dexter? What is he going to do with this? And she thinks she's in love with him? Is she going to tell Dexter? And if so, how is Dexter going to possibly respond to that? These are a number of things that will be set up for next season, but we'll deal with them as they come.

Deb finding out is a big moment, but what else will Dexter need to come to terms with before the show ends?
Buck: What we need to answer is: Where do we want to lead this character? Even now, in Season 6, he's not the same Dexter we met in Season 1. He's someone who has gradually evolved over the years. Where do we want to take him that will be a satisfying place? These are questions we ourselves have to answer before we can start writing in that direction.

Do you think Dexter needs to die?
Buck: I do not know. What I thought about Dexter when I came into this show has certainly changed from what I think of him now, because the character has changed. At one point I may have thought that, but I'm not sure now because there's so many different things you can do with this person. A lot of people would certainly think he needs to die.

Will Louis (Josh Cooke) be the big villain next season?
Buck: No, I don't think he's next season's villain. Louis is something we don't quite know what to make of because he's something that has not appeared on Dexter before. It's a different kind of character and it will be fun to explore exactly who he is and what he's doing. I certainly like Louis, but he's obviously got some issues to deal with. He seems to be a troubled individual, and how that will work out in terms of Dexter will be part of the fun of next season, but he will not be our big bad.

Do you feel like you have to top this season or distance yourself from it after viewers were more critical this year?
Buck: We always want to top each season and do better and different things to surprise people, but not in terms of big plot twists. Mostly, in terms of character. I don't feel any need to try to distance myself from this season. I'm very happy with what we did this season. [We'll] just build upon that and hopefully give our audience a very satisfying Season 7.

What lessons did you learn from this season?
Buck: Oh boy, I'm still digesting all of that. Everything we come up with in our quiet little writers' room becomes something different. It's usually such an internal process, and then suddenly you expose it all to the world and you don't necessarily get the response you're expecting or hoping for. I don't want to suggest I'm at all disappointed because I'm very happy the way this season turned out, but I'm surprised by all the controversy and all the different ways have seen this.
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Deb finally knows! This is six seasons in the making. How do you feel now that this particular secret is out?
Scott Buck: I wouldn't say we dragged it out, but we played with it and toyed with it enough and now it's finally time to deal with it head-on. I feel very positive that we took this step.

Did knowing you had two seasons left help you decide to pull the trigger on this story now?
Buck: We always imagined that Deb finding out would be part of the end game, so we always sort of delayed it. When we came in this year, David Nevins [said], "Let's shake things up. We don't have to play it safe. We can think a little bit differently this year." We decided it was finally time to deal with this head-on.
Like Andre said a few posts above, Mr. Buck needn't pat himself on the back for the big reveal because that was something any writer could've written and it would've been awesome regardless. I was actually more excited last season when Deb almost caught Lumen and Dexter behind the tarp. My heart was beating out of my chest during that scene. Deb walking in on the Travis murder was good, but I wasn't on the edge of my seat screaming at the TV like I was last season. By comparison, the actual reveal was very anticlimactic. Way to go, writers!
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Buck: Deb at least has a little peek behind the curtain. How much she actually knows and figures out will all be part of the drama of next season. To walk into a situation like this, you're not going to immediately think, "Oh, my brother is a serial killer." You're going to think, "Oh, my brother is killing DDK. This is crazy and insane." She's taken the first peek behind the curtain, but it's not necessarily daylight just yet. Dexter has learned to live a lie his whole life, and that's always his go-to response in any situation where he may potentially be discovered. It's just natural for him to spin a story.
As I suspected, the big cliffhanger was a big red herring. It'll be resolved within the first five minutes of Season 7. Dexter will lie and say he only killed Travis because he kidnapped Harrison. Deb will freak out but then she'll realize Travis had it coming and sweep it under the rug. She won't have any clue that this is something Dexter does regularly and that he gets off on it. She'll develop convenient amnesia and forget all about the Bay Harbor Butcher. She'll only learn the truth in dribs and drabs, thereby diminishing the dramatic impact of one big "kapow" reveal. Way to go, writers!
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Will Louis (Josh Cooke) be the big villain next season?
Buck: No, I don't think he's next season's villain.
So rather than taking the one new character who's elicited a positive response from the audience and giving him a larger focus, they're going to continue using him as filler. Way to go, writers!
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Here's another excerpt from EW.com
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The creepy computer guy, Louis. I’m assuming he mailed the hand because he’s infatuated with serial killers and Dexter, or is there something more I should be reading into that?

Well, he had no idea Dexter is a serial killer — at least, not to our knowledge. I think he’s just got this weird love-to-hate thing for Dexter and has latched onto him and is seeking his approval. But to send the hand like that, we have no idea what kind of message he’s sending. At this point, it’s just to arouse our suspicion about who is this guy and what are his intentions.
Translation: "Who knows? We're making it up as we go along."

How the hell did this guy get his job as showrunner?
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Kenny
Dec 20 2011, 01:13 PM
Here's another excerpt from EW.com
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The creepy computer guy, Louis. I’m assuming he mailed the hand because he’s infatuated with serial killers and Dexter, or is there something more I should be reading into that?

Well, he had no idea Dexter is a serial killer — at least, not to our knowledge. I think he’s just got this weird love-to-hate thing for Dexter and has latched onto him and is seeking his approval. But to send the hand like that, we have no idea what kind of message he’s sending. At this point, it’s just to arouse our suspicion about who is this guy and what are his intentions.
Translation: "Who knows? We're making it up as we go along."

How the hell did this guy get his job as showrunner?
Ugh, what a joke! I can't believe what was once one of the best shows on TV has tumbled so dramatically like this. I was annoyed that they just left us hanging with the Louis stuff in the finale, but it makes sense after hearing him say this. It's because they have no clue what they are doing!

Buck's explanation that this Deb loves Dexter revelation has been in the bag since season 2 is a crock. I'm more than positive that they came up with the idea this season and knew there would be backlash and by explaining that this has always been something they've been building to, they feel they can get away with it.

I've NEVER gotten that vibe from Deb. Sure she had issues with how close Dexter and their father were, leaving her out, and with Dexter never really being emotionally there for her, but to say, "Oh every guy I've dated has either been just like Dexter or exactly the opposite means that I love him more than a brother," is a load of shit.
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Dec 20 2011, 04:59 PM
Kenny
Dec 20 2011, 01:13 PM
Here's another excerpt from EW.com
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The creepy computer guy, Louis. I’m assuming he mailed the hand because he’s infatuated with serial killers and Dexter, or is there something more I should be reading into that?

Well, he had no idea Dexter is a serial killer — at least, not to our knowledge. I think he’s just got this weird love-to-hate thing for Dexter and has latched onto him and is seeking his approval. But to send the hand like that, we have no idea what kind of message he’s sending. At this point, it’s just to arouse our suspicion about who is this guy and what are his intentions.
Translation: "Who knows? We're making it up as we go along."

How the hell did this guy get his job as showrunner?
Ugh, what a joke! I can't believe what was once one of the best shows on TV has tumbled so dramatically like this. I was annoyed that they just left us hanging with the Louis stuff in the finale, but it makes sense after hearing him say this. It's because they have no clue what they are doing!

Buck's explanation that this Deb loves Dexter revelation has been in the bag since season 2 is a crock. I'm more than positive that they came up with the idea this season and knew there would be backlash and by explaining that this has always been something they've been building to, they feel they can get away with it.

I've NEVER gotten that vibe from Deb. Sure she had issues with how close Dexter and their father were, leaving her out, and with Dexter never really being emotionally there for her, but to say, "Oh every guy I've dated has either been just like Dexter or exactly the opposite means that I love him more than a brother," is a load of shit.
Especially since that doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't any guy in existence fall into being or not being like Dexter? LoL
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^Exactly! LOL. Just another example of the sloppy writing that' been going on.
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Reading these interviews make me feel more negative about the show. Knowing less before, I held out hope it was just a bad season. Can't believe that anymore...
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Dec 20 2011, 12:32 PM
Honestly, it's something we've been talking about since Season 2 because it seemed to explain so much about the character of Debra Morgan, that she always seemed like she was so in love with her brother. It's something we always talked about [and] dismissed, and then this season we finally dealt with it.

Oh shit, I was right
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"it came up several years ago" -when season 2, when Dexter walked in on Deb having sex with the children's book writer she hand cuffed, and later walked in on Dex asking him if he was trying to fuck Lila or set her on fire? I didn't read Deb's 'little miss pardon my tits' rant to Dexter as jealous, more how could you cheat on Rita -which is what it was.

they are going back to the whole 'gross titty vampire' thing from season 2.
She was pissed he was cheating on Rita you moron writers!!!

Like everyone suspected Deb is getting dumbed down again so she doesn't realize she's looking at a copy of how the 'Bay Harbor Butcher' worked.

Just what kind of response did the writers think they were going to get?
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Dexter Scoop: What's Next for Dex and Deb?

Now that Dexter Morgan's serial-killer secret has finally been discovered by the person closest to him — his sister — Dexter's producers promise to slice right into the juicy setup over the next two seasons...and maybe even a feature film after the show ends its run on Showtime.

While the writing team has yet to formally convene to plot out the consequences of Deb's discovery that her adoptive brother is meting out his deadly Code against Miami's murderers, executive producer Manny Coto tells TV Guide Magazine that the show won't shy away from a radical new reality — including the fact that Deb (Jennifer Carpenter) has developed some complicated romantic feelings for Dexter (Michael C. Hall).

"Debra has discovered, at the very least, that her brother is a cold-blooded killer," says Coto. "That is going to inform the next two seasons, or however many more seasons there are. It's going to be a different dynamic, which is part of the fun. What we've done is upended the show, and it's now no longer about a guy who's trying to keep his secret from his sister and everyone else around him. For all intents and purposes someone knows who he is and Debra has a big decision to make: 'Do I turn him in? What do I do about this? I've just seen him kill somebody.' That's the first thing we're going to be dealing with."

It's a setup that left some viewers more squeamish than all of the series' blood-letting. Coto says that some fans' ew!-laden reactions to Debra's unexpected attraction to the man who was raised as her brother has not scared the writing staff away from further exploring the plotline. "People are going a little crazy about it, but I think part of what attracted us to that is that it's something you didn't see coming," says Coto. "It occurred to us that Debra — with her failed relationships one after another and the fact that her first big relationship that we saw was with a serial killer, and then maybe there was some underlying psychic connection to Dexter — that was leading her towards these people who were unavailable or downright evil. So that's where that evolved from: that maybe there was a reason for all this, which is that maybe she's slowly falling for her brother."

But having watched Dexter do away with killer Travis (Colin Hanks) may force Deb to realize that he's anything but Mr. Right. "Obviously, even if you're in love with someone, if you've just seen that person kill someone in cold blood your feelings are going to change," says Coto. "So her feelings will have to evolve given that revelation, but they will be taken into account. They will come forward throughout the season to inform how she's going to respond to this."

With each new season, the series has traditionally brought in a formidable guest actor designed to go toe-to-toe on camera with Hall, and while Coto's not naming names just yet, he noted that the next big name to join the cast could be around for a more extended stay. "We kind of know what we're going to do next season, but we don't know what kind of position there will be for a Big Bad, so to speak, or not," he reveals. "We may do someone that goes over two seasons. The options are open for us."

Finally, while the series has been guaranteed two more seasons, Coto says that doesn't mean the creators are plotting Dexter's exit strategy. In fact, everyone's favorite serial killer may eventually migrate to the big screen. "We're not really looking at an end game right now," says Coto. "In a way, it's almost like every season is a form of an end game. This season could've been an end to Dexter, setting it up for the movies, for example. So every season kind of comes to it's own conclusion and can be a sort of end game."

Coto is quick to add that he's "just speculating" when it comes to movie plans. "I've heard nothing about it. I'm actually just projecting from my own experience on 24, where at the end we weren't going to kill Jack Bauer. We were going to leave him open because down the road there might be a movie. And sure enough, there's a movie coming."
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"Debra has discovered, at the very least, that her brother is a cold-blooded killer," says Coto. "That is going to inform the next two seasons, or however many more seasons there are."
This shit better end with season 8. Dragging it on any longer would be a big mistake -- especially with idiots like Scott Buck and Manny Coto in charge.
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Finally, while the series has been guaranteed two more seasons, Coto says that doesn't mean the creators are plotting Dexter's exit strategy. In fact, everyone's favorite serial killer may eventually migrate to the big screen. "We're not really looking at an end game right now," says Coto.
Not even looking at an end game yet? I suppose this means we should prepare ourselves for a shitty series finale, if and when it ever comes.
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"In a way, it's almost like every season is a form of an end game. This season could've been an end to Dexter, setting it up for the movies, for example."
Dumb.
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I liked the majority of this season.

The last few episodes had some really atrocious dialogue, for a cable show.

But the cliffhanger was GREAT! And I'm surprisingly not grossed out by Deb and Dex.
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I think the show has the legs to go two more seasons..But that needs to be the end..They seriously need to go Lost style and plot out the end of the show now...Can't wait to see how the show with change with Deb knowing about Dexter. And I have a feeling Deb's feelings for Dexter are going to be dropped..
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I think the show has two more seasons in it, as well.

They did a good job this season of introducing a bunch of new characters that could keep things going for a while.
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Jan 13 2012, 01:56 AM
I think the show has the legs to go two more seasons..But that needs to be the end..They seriously need to go Lost style and plot out the end of the show now...Can't wait to see how the show with change with Deb knowing about Dexter. And I have a feeling Deb's feelings for Dexter are going to be dropped..
I agree two more seasons, and working towards a ending instead of garbing shit out of the either like they did with the incest plot point. Whatever they want to do for a end, they need to start laying the groundwork for it now, to get a bigger/better/more impactful story. I hope the show reads up on the books for how to handle Deb's dealing with Dexter being a killer. It is the one thing the books do better than the show.
I don't think the incest plot point is going to be dropped or toned down though, the various showrunner comments about it sound like the heavy hand of would be fan training (to get whatever response the writers originally wanted) will soon be upon us.
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