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Spoilers for the week of January 23rd; *Updated 1/20*
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Right? Days can steal that from OLTL... Twins with different fathers turn out to have the same father!

Not sure how anyone could think Sydney is actually Nicole's.. I mean, she miscarried and WASN'T pregnant anymore. It's not like the baby switch involved her DNA at all... I know there are times they ask you to suspend disbelief in this show, but they can't completely rewrite a 2 year chunk of the show... "We did a DNA test Nicole, and it was actually Mia who miscarried! You carried to term and delivered a baby!"


I don't think anyone thinks that at all, but I do think it's possible for the writers to now say that Nicole was far enough along that the baby was viable and taken away by Dr. Baker, nursed to health and term and kept by him and Stefano. If they can soras characters' ages, they can soras a pregnancy to meet their needs. I believe that Sami's baby really did die, Grace was Mia's and the Ejole baby lived and could very well be Sydney. I think it has always been a thought that the DNA results could have been confused as Nicole was living with Sami at the time. It's a soap, anything is possible.
Anything can - and does - happen on soaps. But the implausibility of this for me is that we (the viewers) watched both Mia and Sami give birth on the same day - and watched as Nicole took Mia's baby to the clinic and Doc Baker brought Sami's baby out from the delivery room to work on her. Nicole then begged him to switch the newborns that were both right there in the same room the whole time. When would Baker have had the opportunity to somehow switch Sami's dead baby out with Nicole's (apparently severely premature baby that has been in neo natal care up to now) and not have Nicole notice? And what are the chances those things would have all worked out so that two of the babies would be born on the same day, one would die and Nicole's would just happen to be the perfect size and development to take it's place? And how would Baker have known that Nicole would have asked to switch the babies or that Sami would handily be delivering hers randomly in his clinic on that very day?

Like I said, anything could happen. But there are holes the size of Texas in that scenario.
i agree it does, but with these writers, I think they would make anything "fit" for the plot they want. That's all we have seen from them since the reset.
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Right? Days can steal that from OLTL... Twins with different fathers turn out to have the same father!

Not sure how anyone could think Sydney is actually Nicole's.. I mean, she miscarried and WASN'T pregnant anymore. It's not like the baby switch involved her DNA at all... I know there are times they ask you to suspend disbelief in this show, but they can't completely rewrite a 2 year chunk of the show... "We did a DNA test Nicole, and it was actually Mia who miscarried! You carried to term and delivered a baby!"


I don't think anyone thinks that at all, but I do think it's possible for the writers to now say that Nicole was far enough along that the baby was viable and taken away by Dr. Baker, nursed to health and term and kept by him and Stefano. If they can soras characters' ages, they can soras a pregnancy to meet their needs. I believe that Sami's baby really did die, Grace was Mia's and the Ejole baby lived and could very well be Sydney. I think it has always been a thought that the DNA results could have been confused as Nicole was living with Sami at the time. It's a soap, anything is possible.
Anything can - and does - happen on soaps. But the implausibility of this for me is that we (the viewers) watched both Mia and Sami give birth on the same day - and watched as Nicole took Mia's baby to the clinic and Doc Baker brought Sami's baby out from the delivery room to work on her. Nicole then begged him to switch the newborns that were both right there in the same room the whole time. When would Baker have had the opportunity to somehow switch Sami's dead baby out with Nicole's (apparently severely premature baby that has been in neo natal care up to now) and not have Nicole notice? And what are the chances those things would have all worked out so that two of the babies would be born on the same day, one would die and Nicole's would just happen to be the perfect size and development to take it's place? And how would Baker have known that Nicole would have asked to switch the babies or that Sami would handily be delivering hers randomly in his clinic on that very day?

Like I said, anything could happen. But there are holes the size of Texas in that scenario.
But Sami's baby was taken away soon after birth because she wasn't breathing.... than brought back....
How do we know that that baby Dr. Baker waas working on was indeed Sami's babyb...we don't..... hmmmm.
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I wonder what offer Will turns down from Sonny... Perhaps attending an LGBT event?

Even though Will and Sonny probably will end up together as a couple, it is quite sad to see that Sonny seems to be tied up exclusively to Will's excruciatingly long coming out story. No fling/romance for Sonny, no story of his own, it's sad, just sad.
And if they ever do get together, people will probably say Sonny is too boring for Will, since Sonny is a non-existent character, and his relationship with Will would likely go no further than a polite hug. I'd much rather see more of Sonny fleshed out as a character or Sonny with his family, and less of Will's endless crying, whining, and tantrums - Will/EJ is interesting but all Sami/EJ stories tend to collapse into some muddle, I doubt this will be any different. If the only thing of interest in Will's story is sexual tension with EJ, then they aren't going to get very far.

Then again, Chad's been on the show for several years and he has regressed to the point where he could be replaced with a cutout and you wouldn't notice the difference.
LOL!! You could have replaced him with a cutout when he first appeared and I still wouldn't notice the difference. He has not grown as an actor or a character in all this time, IMO.
I think the potential should be there with Chad. Casey's not the best actor but he has some charisma and talent and yet the show just throws every teenage girl at him and waits for lightning to strike. He has no actual relationship with anyone on the show. It's so strange. And Sonny seems to be the same way. Why not spend a little time developing them? It's one thing to be plot-driven, but the show doesn't even have any plots.
The sad part is that I think these writers do think they have stories and plots. They don't have a clue. They have characters with possibilites, including Chad, although I don't think he's uber- talented, but they need to develop their characters. Right now, all they're doing is throwing people into boring scenes with the same monotonous dialogue day after day and calling it a story. Not working, Mardar.
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I don't think anyone thinks that at all, but I do think it's possible for the writers to now say that Nicole was far enough along that the baby was viable and taken away by Dr. Baker, nursed to health and term and kept by him and Stefano. If they can soras characters' ages, they can soras a pregnancy to meet their needs. I believe that Sami's baby really did die, Grace was Mia's and the Ejole baby lived and could very well be Sydney. I think it has always been a thought that the DNA results could have been confused as Nicole was living with Sami at the time. It's a soap, anything is possible.
Anything can - and does - happen on soaps. But the implausibility of this for me is that we (the viewers) watched both Mia and Sami give birth on the same day - and watched as Nicole took Mia's baby to the clinic and Doc Baker brought Sami's baby out from the delivery room to work on her. Nicole then begged him to switch the newborns that were both right there in the same room the whole time. When would Baker have had the opportunity to somehow switch Sami's dead baby out with Nicole's (apparently severely premature baby that has been in neo natal care up to now) and not have Nicole notice? And what are the chances those things would have all worked out so that two of the babies would be born on the same day, one would die and Nicole's would just happen to be the perfect size and development to take it's place? And how would Baker have known that Nicole would have asked to switch the babies or that Sami would handily be delivering hers randomly in his clinic on that very day?

Like I said, anything could happen. But there are holes the size of Texas in that scenario.
But Sami's baby was taken away soon after birth because she wasn't breathing.... than brought back....
How do we know that that baby Dr. Baker waas working on was indeed Sami's babyb...we don't..... hmmmm.
Right and Sami never saw her baby before she was whisked away and Nicole never saw her child either which left the whole story rather open-ended, IMO.
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I don't think anyone thinks that at all, but I do think it's possible for the writers to now say that Nicole was far enough along that the baby was viable and taken away by Dr. Baker, nursed to health and term and kept by him and Stefano. If they can soras characters' ages, they can soras a pregnancy to meet their needs. I believe that Sami's baby really did die, Grace was Mia's and the Ejole baby lived and could very well be Sydney. I think it has always been a thought that the DNA results could have been confused as Nicole was living with Sami at the time. It's a soap, anything is possible.
Anything can - and does - happen on soaps. But the implausibility of this for me is that we (the viewers) watched both Mia and Sami give birth on the same day - and watched as Nicole took Mia's baby to the clinic and Doc Baker brought Sami's baby out from the delivery room to work on her. Nicole then begged him to switch the newborns that were both right there in the same room the whole time. When would Baker have had the opportunity to somehow switch Sami's dead baby out with Nicole's (apparently severely premature baby that has been in neo natal care up to now) and not have Nicole notice? And what are the chances those things would have all worked out so that two of the babies would be born on the same day, one would die and Nicole's would just happen to be the perfect size and development to take it's place? And how would Baker have known that Nicole would have asked to switch the babies or that Sami would handily be delivering hers randomly in his clinic on that very day?

Like I said, anything could happen. But there are holes the size of Texas in that scenario.
But Sami's baby was taken away soon after birth because she wasn't breathing.... than brought back....
How do we know that that baby Dr. Baker waas working on was indeed Sami's babyb...we don't..... hmmmm.
Why would Baker have bothered to switch Sami and Nicole's babies before going in to the other room where he didn't know Nicole was with Mia's baby? He didn't know she'd insist on switching them.
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Anything can - and does - happen on soaps. But the implausibility of this for me is that we (the viewers) watched both Mia and Sami give birth on the same day - and watched as Nicole took Mia's baby to the clinic and Doc Baker brought Sami's baby out from the delivery room to work on her. Nicole then begged him to switch the newborns that were both right there in the same room the whole time. When would Baker have had the opportunity to somehow switch Sami's dead baby out with Nicole's (apparently severely premature baby that has been in neo natal care up to now) and not have Nicole notice? And what are the chances those things would have all worked out so that two of the babies would be born on the same day, one would die and Nicole's would just happen to be the perfect size and development to take it's place? And how would Baker have known that Nicole would have asked to switch the babies or that Sami would handily be delivering hers randomly in his clinic on that very day?

Like I said, anything could happen. But there are holes the size of Texas in that scenario.
But Sami's baby was taken away soon after birth because she wasn't breathing.... than brought back....
How do we know that that baby Dr. Baker waas working on was indeed Sami's babyb...we don't..... hmmmm.
Right and Sami never saw her baby before she was whisked away and Nicole never saw her child either which left the whole story rather open-ended, IMO.
Open ended just like EJ's shooting in 2007, which I'm so glad the writers have decided to revisit.
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Anything can - and does - happen on soaps. But the implausibility of this for me is that we (the viewers) watched both Mia and Sami give birth on the same day - and watched as Nicole took Mia's baby to the clinic and Doc Baker brought Sami's baby out from the delivery room to work on her. Nicole then begged him to switch the newborns that were both right there in the same room the whole time. When would Baker have had the opportunity to somehow switch Sami's dead baby out with Nicole's (apparently severely premature baby that has been in neo natal care up to now) and not have Nicole notice? And what are the chances those things would have all worked out so that two of the babies would be born on the same day, one would die and Nicole's would just happen to be the perfect size and development to take it's place? And how would Baker have known that Nicole would have asked to switch the babies or that Sami would handily be delivering hers randomly in his clinic on that very day?

Like I said, anything could happen. But there are holes the size of Texas in that scenario.
But Sami's baby was taken away soon after birth because she wasn't breathing.... than brought back....
How do we know that that baby Dr. Baker waas working on was indeed Sami's babyb...we don't..... hmmmm.
Why would Baker have bothered to switch Sami and Nicole's babies before going in to the other room where he didn't know Nicole was with Mia's baby? He didn't know she'd insist on switching them.
because he was working for Stefano too, he needed his money in addition to whatever money Nicole was giving him because of his gambling problem. When Stefano is involved I wouldn't put anything past him.

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Jan 18 2012, 12:12 AM
I wonder what offer Will turns down from Sonny... Perhaps attending an LGBT event?

Even though Will and Sonny probably will end up together as a couple, it is quite sad to see that Sonny seems to be tied up exclusively to Will's excruciatingly long coming out story. No fling/romance for Sonny, no story of his own, it's sad, just sad.
And if they ever do get together, people will probably say Sonny is too boring for Will, since Sonny is a non-existent character, and his relationship with Will would likely go no further than a polite hug. I'd much rather see more of Sonny fleshed out as a character or Sonny with his family, and less of Will's endless crying, whining, and tantrums - Will/EJ is interesting but all Sami/EJ stories tend to collapse into some muddle, I doubt this will be any different. If the only thing of interest in Will's story is sexual tension with EJ, then they aren't going to get very far.

Then again, Chad's been on the show for several years and he has regressed to the point where he could be replaced with a cutout and you wouldn't notice the difference.
LOL!! You could have replaced him with a cutout when he first appeared and I still wouldn't notice the difference. He has not grown as an actor or a character in all this time, IMO.
I think the potential should be there with Chad. Casey's not the best actor but he has some charisma and talent and yet the show just throws every teenage girl at him and waits for lightning to strike. He has no actual relationship with anyone on the show. It's so strange. And Sonny seems to be the same way. Why not spend a little time developing them? It's one thing to be plot-driven, but the show doesn't even have any plots.
What little I have seen of Sonny, I really genuinely like. He seems like an all-around good guy. And a decent actor. But no screen time.

Chad, the most interesting thing about him is his DiMera-ness which they have just thrown aside (until Kate's mention yesterday)...However, charisma or no, I just don't think Casey fits. Not as a DiMera. And not in any stroyline which requires him to be emotional. He consistently falls flat with me. Yes,a large part is that he's thrown into teenyboppersville, but even when he is given something (finding out about his parentage, his mom dying, finding out about Grace) he just doesn't do it for me. That, and the fact that he's 100 feet taller than everyone on the show and just looks awkward in most scenes. And if they are pimping him as a sex symbol...Errr...no thanks.
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But Sami's baby was taken away soon after birth because she wasn't breathing.... than brought back....
How do we know that that baby Dr. Baker waas working on was indeed Sami's babyb...we don't..... hmmmm.
Why would Baker have bothered to switch Sami and Nicole's babies before going in to the other room where he didn't know Nicole was with Mia's baby? He didn't know she'd insist on switching them.
because he was working for Stefano too, he needed his money in addition to whatever money Nicole was giving him because of his gambling problem. When Stefano is involved I wouldn't put anything past him.

I think both he and Stefano knew that Nicole would switch the babies, because Nicole clearly had Sami sent to the clinic to deliver her baby. I can't remember how but she got the idea put in Sami's head to go to that clinic... I think Sami got a business card or something. Anyways Dr. Baker needed to have Nicole thinking was still being blackmailed because he knew as long as she had a secret she would pay to keep it hidden.
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But Sami's baby was taken away soon after birth because she wasn't breathing.... than brought back....
How do we know that that baby Dr. Baker waas working on was indeed Sami's babyb...we don't..... hmmmm.
Why would Baker have bothered to switch Sami and Nicole's babies before going in to the other room where he didn't know Nicole was with Mia's baby? He didn't know she'd insist on switching them.
because he was working for Stefano too, he needed his money in addition to whatever money Nicole was giving him because of his gambling problem. When Stefano is involved I wouldn't put anything past him.

I find it implausible that even Stefano could have set things in motion so perfectly to have had both Sami and Mia give birth on the same day, Sami's baby (his granddaughter) die and Nicole happen to be there with Mia's and come up with the switch idea at just the right moment. But if he was involved in switching them why would he have let Sami have custody of Nicole and EJ's baby all this time?
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Why would Baker have bothered to switch Sami and Nicole's babies before going in to the other room where he didn't know Nicole was with Mia's baby? He didn't know she'd insist on switching them.
because he was working for Stefano too, he needed his money in addition to whatever money Nicole was giving him because of his gambling problem. When Stefano is involved I wouldn't put anything past him.

I find it implausible that even Stefano could have set things in motion so perfectly to have had both Sami and Mia give birth on the same day, Sami's baby (his granddaughter) die and Nicole happen to be there with Mia's and come up with the switch idea at just the right moment. But if he was involved in switching them why would he have let Sami have custody of Nicole and EJ's baby all this time?
Sami has custody because EJ and Stefano sent a fake to impersonate Rafe and kidnapped RAfe,. She's holding that over their heads... plus if Sydney's parentage was called into question than Johnny's would be as well and they can't have that can they. Easier to leave things be because The Dimeras have been able to make Sami look like an idiot for the past few years and strong arm her... guess they think they will "find" a way to get the kids back... Oh wait I guess that is what Kate's doing right? Seems like it.
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I'd just rather they leave Sydney and Johnny's parentage as it is. I'm getting tired of the parent switch storylines. That's all we've gotten from MarDar thus far. I'm ready for something original.
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because he was working for Stefano too, he needed his money in addition to whatever money Nicole was giving him because of his gambling problem. When Stefano is involved I wouldn't put anything past him.

I find it implausible that even Stefano could have set things in motion so perfectly to have had both Sami and Mia give birth on the same day, Sami's baby (his granddaughter) die and Nicole happen to be there with Mia's and come up with the switch idea at just the right moment. But if he was involved in switching them why would he have let Sami have custody of Nicole and EJ's baby all this time?
Sami has custody because EJ and Stefano sent a fake to impersonate Rafe and kidnapped RAfe,. She's holding that over their heads... plus if Sydney's parentage was called into question than Johnny's would be as well and they can't have that can they. Easier to leave things be because The Dimeras have been able to make Sami look like an idiot for the past few years and strong arm her... guess they think they will "find" a way to get the kids back... Oh wait I guess that is what Kate's doing right? Seems like it.
EJ willingly gave Sami custody of the kids against Stefano's wishes after the whole R2 stuff was settled. There is nothing to hold over their heads about the R2 stuff since the doppleganger was killed and they have no witness. That's why EJ and Stefano aren't in jail.

And even if any of that made sense I still don't think Stefano would willingly allow Sami and Rafe to raise EJ and Nicole's kid to prevent them from looking further in to Johnny's DNA. What would it matter at this point since they don't have Johnny, either?
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I find it implausible that even Stefano could have set things in motion so perfectly to have had both Sami and Mia give birth on the same day, Sami's baby (his granddaughter) die and Nicole happen to be there with Mia's and come up with the switch idea at just the right moment. But if he was involved in switching them why would he have let Sami have custody of Nicole and EJ's baby all this time?
Sami has custody because EJ and Stefano sent a fake to impersonate Rafe and kidnapped RAfe,. She's holding that over their heads... plus if Sydney's parentage was called into question than Johnny's would be as well and they can't have that can they. Easier to leave things be because The Dimeras have been able to make Sami look like an idiot for the past few years and strong arm her... guess they think they will "find" a way to get the kids back... Oh wait I guess that is what Kate's doing right? Seems like it.
EJ willingly gave Sami custody of the kids against Stefano's wishes after the whole R2 stuff was settled. There is nothing to hold over their heads about the R2 stuff since the doppleganger was killed and they have no witness. That's why EJ and Stefano aren't in jail.

And even if any of that made sense I still don't think Stefano would willingly allow Sami and Rafe to raise EJ and Nicole's kid to prevent them from looking further in to Johnny's DNA. What would it matter at this point since they don't have Johnny, either?
But somehow all three women ended up in Baker's clinic (Nicole miscarried there, Sami and Mia gave birth there)...don't you find that strange?

He'd definately do that because he dislikes both women enough to play with their lives. Nicole did all this switch and it turns out that she actually could have raised her own daughter all along and Sami tried to hide the kid from EJ only to have gotten her in the end and now she loses her to Nicole. It's not totally farfetched, as the Will shooting storyline proves when the writers put stuff into the story to make viewers question it (I'm thinking of the toothbrush and all) it's done for a reason.
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I find it implausible that even Stefano could have set things in motion so perfectly to have had both Sami and Mia give birth on the same day, Sami's baby (his granddaughter) die and Nicole happen to be there with Mia's and come up with the switch idea at just the right moment. But if he was involved in switching them why would he have let Sami have custody of Nicole and EJ's baby all this time?
Sami has custody because EJ and Stefano sent a fake to impersonate Rafe and kidnapped RAfe,. She's holding that over their heads... plus if Sydney's parentage was called into question than Johnny's would be as well and they can't have that can they. Easier to leave things be because The Dimeras have been able to make Sami look like an idiot for the past few years and strong arm her... guess they think they will "find" a way to get the kids back... Oh wait I guess that is what Kate's doing right? Seems like it.


What would it matter at this point since they don't have Johnny, either?
Well thank god for that at least. :rockon:
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I don't think anyone thinks that at all, but I do think it's possible for the writers to now say that Nicole was far enough along that the baby was viable and taken away by Dr. Baker, nursed to health and term and kept by him and Stefano. If they can soras characters' ages, they can soras a pregnancy to meet their needs. I believe that Sami's baby really did die, Grace was Mia's and the Ejole baby lived and could very well be Sydney. I think it has always been a thought that the DNA results could have been confused as Nicole was living with Sami at the time. It's a soap, anything is possible.
Anything can - and does - happen on soaps. But the implausibility of this for me is that we (the viewers) watched both Mia and Sami give birth on the same day - and watched as Nicole took Mia's baby to the clinic and Doc Baker brought Sami's baby out from the delivery room to work on her. Nicole then begged him to switch the newborns that were both right there in the same room the whole time. When would Baker have had the opportunity to somehow switch Sami's dead baby out with Nicole's (apparently severely premature baby that has been in neo natal care up to now) and not have Nicole notice? And what are the chances those things would have all worked out so that two of the babies would be born on the same day, one would die and Nicole's would just happen to be the perfect size and development to take it's place? And how would Baker have known that Nicole would have asked to switch the babies or that Sami would handily be delivering hers randomly in his clinic on that very day?

Like I said, anything could happen. But there are holes the size of Texas in that scenario.
But Sami's baby was taken away soon after birth because she wasn't breathing.... than brought back....
How do we know that that baby Dr. Baker waas working on was indeed Sami's babyb...we don't..... hmmmm.
It really is no big deal that the baby wasn't breathing. It's not very uncommon at all for babies not to be breathing at first. IMO it was just an excuse written in for Dr. Baker to leave the room and meet with Nicole and do the switch, nothing more.

I think Nicole is going to have a breakdown of sorts, and maybe her interraction with Sydney is to reinforce that's she's still "unstable" and very fragile.
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Given the fact that Nicole is currently the happiest she's ever been right now, it's more like that she's dying to have a chance at another child with EJ. Cue new EJole baby. . .or Sydole parentage change.
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Sami has custody because EJ and Stefano sent a fake to impersonate Rafe and kidnapped RAfe,. She's holding that over their heads... plus if Sydney's parentage was called into question than Johnny's would be as well and they can't have that can they. Easier to leave things be because The Dimeras have been able to make Sami look like an idiot for the past few years and strong arm her... guess they think they will "find" a way to get the kids back... Oh wait I guess that is what Kate's doing right? Seems like it.
EJ willingly gave Sami custody of the kids against Stefano's wishes after the whole R2 stuff was settled. There is nothing to hold over their heads about the R2 stuff since the doppleganger was killed and they have no witness. That's why EJ and Stefano aren't in jail.

And even if any of that made sense I still don't think Stefano would willingly allow Sami and Rafe to raise EJ and Nicole's kid to prevent them from looking further in to Johnny's DNA. What would it matter at this point since they don't have Johnny, either?
But somehow all three women ended up in Baker's clinic (Nicole miscarried there, Sami and Mia gave birth there)...don't you find that strange?

He'd definately do that because he dislikes both women enough to play with their lives. Nicole did all this switch and it turns out that she actually could have raised her own daughter all along and Sami tried to hide the kid from EJ only to have gotten her in the end and now she loses her to Nicole. It's not totally farfetched, as the Will shooting storyline proves when the writers put stuff into the story to make viewers question it (I'm thinking of the toothbrush and all) it's done for a reason.
Mia didn't give birth there. Nicole took the baby there after Mia delivered it. And Nicole set it up so Sami would give birth there because she was already working with Baker - so there really isn't anything strange or coincidental about that. Nicole drove all of that.

And I still don't think Stefano would sit back and watch someone other than a DiMera (particularly a Brady) raise his grandchild knowing they have no claim to them. No matter how much he hates Nicole and/or Sami - I just don't see him allowing Sami to raise his grandchild (who he knows is not her child) unless she was with EJ. It would be the opposite of all he's ever been about which is controlling his heirs.

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Sami has custody because EJ and Stefano sent a fake to impersonate Rafe and kidnapped RAfe,. She's holding that over their heads... plus if Sydney's parentage was called into question than Johnny's would be as well and they can't have that can they. Easier to leave things be because The Dimeras have been able to make Sami look like an idiot for the past few years and strong arm her... guess they think they will "find" a way to get the kids back... Oh wait I guess that is what Kate's doing right? Seems like it.
EJ willingly gave Sami custody of the kids against Stefano's wishes after the whole R2 stuff was settled. There is nothing to hold over their heads about the R2 stuff since the doppleganger was killed and they have no witness. That's why EJ and Stefano aren't in jail.

And even if any of that made sense I still don't think Stefano would willingly allow Sami and Rafe to raise EJ and Nicole's kid to prevent them from looking further in to Johnny's DNA. What would it matter at this point since they don't have Johnny, either?
But somehow all three women ended up in Baker's clinic (Nicole miscarried there, Sami and Mia gave birth there)...don't you find that strange?

He'd definately do that because he dislikes both women enough to play with their lives. Nicole did all this switch and it turns out that she actually could have raised her own daughter all along and Sami tried to hide the kid from EJ only to have gotten her in the end and now she loses her to Nicole. It's not totally farfetched, as the Will shooting storyline proves when the writers put stuff into the story to make viewers question it (I'm thinking of the toothbrush and all) it's done for a reason.
No, it's not strange at all. All women were at that clinic because the common denominator was Dr. Baker. He is the one who ultimately agreed to the switch. Didn't Nicole go to great lengths to make sure that Sami ends up giving birth at that clinic? It was all for the sake of the baby switch storyline.
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EJ willingly gave Sami custody of the kids against Stefano's wishes after the whole R2 stuff was settled. There is nothing to hold over their heads about the R2 stuff since the doppleganger was killed and they have no witness. That's why EJ and Stefano aren't in jail.

And even if any of that made sense I still don't think Stefano would willingly allow Sami and Rafe to raise EJ and Nicole's kid to prevent them from looking further in to Johnny's DNA. What would it matter at this point since they don't have Johnny, either?
But somehow all three women ended up in Baker's clinic (Nicole miscarried there, Sami and Mia gave birth there)...don't you find that strange?

He'd definately do that because he dislikes both women enough to play with their lives. Nicole did all this switch and it turns out that she actually could have raised her own daughter all along and Sami tried to hide the kid from EJ only to have gotten her in the end and now she loses her to Nicole. It's not totally farfetched, as the Will shooting storyline proves when the writers put stuff into the story to make viewers question it (I'm thinking of the toothbrush and all) it's done for a reason.
No, it's not strange at all. All women were at that clinic because the common denominator was Dr. Baker. He is the one who ultimately agreed to the switch. Didn't Nicole go to great lengths to make sure that Sami ends up giving birth at that clinic? It was all for the sake of the baby switch storyline.
Dr. Baker who was working for both Stefano and Nicole....it was to Bakers benefit to continue to have money streaming in....SOMEHOW right?

Don't you find it strange that Nicole ended up there when she miscarried? I do....
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