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Smash: Season 1 Discussion
Topic Started: Jan 17 2012, 04:45 PM (5,025 Views)
Actor87
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The Royal Dork

I started off loving this show, but (literally) everything about it (actors, characters, storylines, etc.) just bugs the piss out of me now.

Tonight's episode was horrible. And what a horrible storyline decision at the end of the episode!

It hasn't had a good episode in about 6 weeks. I'm hoping that the finale will be good, like I've heard... and that Season 2 will be MUCH better.

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I always thought Dev would end up cheating,but I never thought with Ivy.
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May 1 2012, 02:54 PM
I always thought Dev would end up cheating,but I never thought with Ivy.
I figured on Dev cheating weeks ago. But seriously hasn't Karen talked about a person named Ivy to him that even in a drunk moment he doesn't go "Hey isn't that familiar?" Part of me feels like this story went this way in order to make people cheer for Karen instead of Ivy. I know there are more like me that prefer Ivy over Karen.

Really don't know if I am up for watching this show next season.
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cubsgirl
May 1 2012, 09:11 PM
I figured on Dev cheating weeks ago.
Same here.

I figured Dev would cheat but I had no clue it would be with Ivy. That came totally out of left field.
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Kenny
May 1 2012, 09:35 PM
cubsgirl
May 1 2012, 09:11 PM
I figured on Dev cheating weeks ago.
Same here.

I figured Dev would cheat but I had no clue it would be with Ivy. That came totally out of left field.
Definitely more interesting and surprising than with coworker lady.
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I think Dev & Ivy sleeping together is so stupid. how can they not know who each other is? They were drinking together before they shagged, and knowing Ivy, she was probably whining to the power of inifinity about herself, her cheating bf and loosing the role of Marilyn - its reasonable to think Dev should have worked it out. Silly plot device.
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cubsgirl
May 1 2012, 09:11 PM
BalscoFan5
May 1 2012, 02:54 PM
I always thought Dev would end up cheating,but I never thought with Ivy.
I figured on Dev cheating weeks ago. But seriously hasn't Karen talked about a person named Ivy to him that even in a drunk moment he doesn't go "Hey isn't that familiar?" Part of me feels like this story went this way in order to make people cheer for Karen instead of Ivy. I know there are more like me that prefer Ivy over Karen.

Really don't know if I am up for watching this show next season.
Yeah I think its the final straw for me too.
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Southofsoap
May 2 2012, 06:48 AM
I think Dev & Ivy sleeping together is so stupid. how can they not know who each other is?
Who says they don't? Ivy gave a knowing look when Dev introduced himself and Dev did the same thing. I think they know full well who each other is -- they just don't care. Ivy's pissed at Karen because she thinks she knew about Derek "cheating" on her and she didn't say anything and Dev's pissed at Karen because she turned down his proposal. That's part of the appeal of them sleeping together. They think Karen screwed them and now they're going to screw her over worse.
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Kenny
May 2 2012, 07:03 AM
Southofsoap
May 2 2012, 06:48 AM
I think Dev & Ivy sleeping together is so stupid. how can they not know who each other is?
Who says they don't? Ivy gave a knowing look when Dev introduced himself and Dev did the same thing. I think they know full well who each other is -- they just don't care. Ivy's pissed at Karen because she thinks she knew about Derek "cheating" on her and she didn't say anything and Dev's pissed at Karen because she turned down his proposal. That's part of the appeal of them sleeping together. They think Karen screwed them and now they're going to screw her over worse.
Never thought of it that way, but you could be right. It would also be a 180 character turn for Dev though, given he was portrayed as unrealistically perfect at the start of the series. I guess we'll find out next episode...
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Southofsoap
May 2 2012, 07:11 AM
Kenny
May 2 2012, 07:03 AM
Southofsoap
May 2 2012, 06:48 AM
I think Dev & Ivy sleeping together is so stupid. how can they not know who each other is?
Who says they don't? Ivy gave a knowing look when Dev introduced himself and Dev did the same thing. I think they know full well who each other is -- they just don't care. Ivy's pissed at Karen because she thinks she knew about Derek "cheating" on her and she didn't say anything and Dev's pissed at Karen because she turned down his proposal. That's part of the appeal of them sleeping together. They think Karen screwed them and now they're going to screw her over worse.
Never thought of it that way, but you could be right. It would also be a 180 character turn for Dev though, given he was portrayed as unrealistically perfect at the start of the series. I guess we'll find out next episode...
I could see that maybe from Ivy's point of view. I too thought Ivy gave a knowing look. I don't really buy it though that Dev knew and would do it as revenge. I also thought the way the preview for the next episode that Ivy was actually surprised he was Karen's boyfriend. Then again I didn't really buy that Dev decided to propose to Karen after kissing RJ suddenly realizing that he only wants to be with Karen. I felt like he proposed because he felt guilty about kissing another woman and using the proposal to make the kissing less like cheating. There is a lot of me that feels like they created this triangle to make people cheer for Karen and make Ivy the true villain. There are a lot on line (like me) who would rather have Ivy as Marilyn and really don't care for Karen.
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Cubsgirl for the win!

Totally agree about Dev's reason for the proposal.

Ivy DID know, as soon as he said Dev. Karen has talked about "Dev" many times before. I wish I could say I remember Dev knowing who Ivy was, but I really don't think they've ever been in the same room at once. (Although I'm almost positive Karen has said "Ivy" to him some time during the season...)

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I really ilke the bollywood episode, I think Dev may have felt a little guilty, but he realized he wanted to spend the rest of his life with Karen. I think Karen should have accepted. I wasn't expecting the ending I got with Dev and Ivy, but it will cause a ripple effect with Ivy and Karen and Dev. I guess this is start of a triangle between these three characters.
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Was it me or did the show not make clear if Dev and Ivy new each other from before?

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ETA: I hope Uma Thurman and Anjelica Huston never sing again. Love them as actresses but seriously?
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May 8 2012, 06:26 AM
Was it me or did the show not make clear if Dev and Ivy new each other from before?
They didn't make it 100% clear. But the way it appeared to me is that they didn't know each other. Which I wonder how the name didn't at least sort of sound familiar to one of them.

Seriously how did they think the ending of Marilyn just dying being okay? Everything we saw of the musical was all happy and peppy. Ending on a downer note like that just isn't going to work. Although it did set up the great lines by Julia "Yeah I watched everything. She always dies."
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cubsgirl
May 8 2012, 04:43 PM
Seriously how did they think the ending of Marilyn just dying being okay? Everything we saw of the musical was all happy and peppy. Ending on a downer note like that just isn't going to work. Although it did set up the great lines by Julia "Yeah I watched everything. She always dies."
Why wouldn't that ending work?

Watching a play about Marilyn Monroe is kind of like watching a movie about the Titanic. You go into it knowing it isn't going to end well. To modify the outcome would be a bit of a disservice, I think.
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Kenny
May 8 2012, 04:55 PM
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May 8 2012, 04:43 PM
Seriously how did they think the ending of Marilyn just dying being okay? Everything we saw of the musical was all happy and peppy. Ending on a downer note like that just isn't going to work. Although it did set up the great lines by Julia "Yeah I watched everything. She always dies."
Why wouldn't that ending work?

Watching a play about Marilyn Monroe is kind of like watching a movie about the Titanic. You go into it knowing it isn't going to end well. To modify the outcome would be a bit of a disservice, I think.
Oh I don't think they should have changed the ending. It is just all of the songs were this silly, happy peppy tone. I know Titanic is going to sink, but whenever I watch a movie about it there is a different tone in the music throughout. It would be like putting all the music from Hairspray into the Titanic movie then having the boat sink. It was more the tone of everything to end on such a downer seemed off to end the show.
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Forgot to add to my other post. Anyone think Ellis is the one to mess with Rebecca's smoothie and put peanuts in it?
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May 8 2012, 05:11 PM
Forgot to add to my other post. Anyone think Ellis is the one to mess with Rebecca's smoothie and put peanuts in it?


I do. That guy just needs to disappear. I realize he is the slimy, amoral show biz hanger-on but I have had enough of him.

I cringed listening to Huston sing-talk the beautiful standard "September Song". Thurman was not good but she was almost a relief after hearing Ivy over sing every number. I much prefer Karen's voice and style.

Jack Davenport is one of my favorite Brit actors but I'm still adjusting to his bad boy Director persona in "Smash". I do wish someone would realize that certain camera angles make Angelica Huston look like a bad horror movie.

Finally I think "Smash" could have been good as a short mini-series but has been too drawn out and has become tedious while waiting to see how things come out.

To rid my poor ears of the abomination from Monday, I had to look up Ella Fitzgerald's version of "September Song".


Edited by pspcindy, May 12 2012, 04:27 PM.
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Uma should stick to acting.
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cubsgirl
May 2 2012, 05:43 PM
There is a lot of me that feels like they created this triangle to make people cheer for Karen and make Ivy the true villain. There are a lot on line (like me) who would rather have Ivy as Marilyn and really don't care for Karen.
Ivy doesn't feel like the villain to me. I don't know why, but I just can't see her that way. And word on the Ivy/Karen thing. Karen annoys me to no end. She knows NOTHING about the theatre, she doesn't even know the book yet? She's the UNDERSTUDY! Rehearsal or not, she should know the fucking book.

Ivy looks, sounds and feels like Marilyn. And she's truly talented.

The show would be better off if they just made it about Karen who really wants it, but in the end realizes that sometimes you can work your hardest, do your best and you're still not right for it.

I don't hate Rebecca nearly as much as I thought I would. She's much more likable than her biffy Karen. Karen is a record singer. She can't project to a full theatre, no way. Some say Ivy over sings... have you ever seen Chenoweth or LuPone on a stage? They do that, it's called reaching the back row. You have to project to catch the audience. Draw them in, let them feel your emotions, your heart. That's why Ivy's right and Karen never will be. Karen has an idealized picture of the theatre, which would fine if they weren't so insistant on having everyone say that the reason she doesn't get it is because she's new. In reality, someone like Karen would be hired because they can't handle the pressure of actually carrying a show.

I was lucky enough to watch Sean Hayes in his first Broadway musical, and he truly carried that show, with great help from Kristin Chenoweth... but he carried it. He was onstage 95% of the time, and not once did I feel like he didn't absolutely belong up there.
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