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SOD: Rafe and Carrie Grow Closer; 1/31/12
Topic Started: Jan 19 2012, 03:05 PM (8,805 Views)
LuvingLumi
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

Paxton
Jan 19 2012, 08:25 PM
PhoenixRising05
Jan 19 2012, 07:12 PM
I don't mind the way they are bringing Carrie and Rafe together. This is a soap. It's all about contrivances and crap like this. My issue with it is that I don't like where they seem to be going with Rafe. I have a feeling they are going to have Carrie and Rafe cheat before Sami's lies come out just so she isn't the only one who screwed up and I don't like that.
Yeah, I agree. I don't see anything unusually ridiculous about Cafe being brought together, and in fact it's less stupid than, say, Madison falling into Brady's lap, Brady having to take his shirt off for various pointless reasons, etc. Carrie and Rafe have been written to show a common interest in justice, which makes some sense given Rafe's law enforcement background and of course Carrie is an insta-lawyer. Carrie in general has been a decent person outside of her documented straying. Just because Rafe hasn't strayed yet doesn't mean he's immune from temptation. Frankly, he must hold some sort of record for being under the spell of Sami's and only Sami's cooter. I'm glad to see him mixing it up because for the first time I'm sort of interested in him. Getting him out of the vortex of suck will do that. And yes, I'm sure that Cafe will have some guilty experience to make Sami look "better," in fact, she'll be able to be a hypocritical bitch to Rafe because at least she didn't love the man she fucked. Which in typical Sami fashion she'll twist into somehow letting her off the hook.
and don't forget the vow renewal...she fucked the man she hated BEFORE the renewal of vows to her husband. That shit's important you know. :sarcasm:
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PhoenixRising05
Jan 19 2012, 07:12 PM
Based on what others have said, I think Kayla was supposed to return in February but they couldn't use Peggy McCay as Caroline so they just used Kayla in her place. I'm hoping that is the case or who cares?

I don't mind the way they are bringing Carrie and Rafe together. This is a soap. It's all about contrivances and crap like this. My issue with it is that I don't like where they seem to be going with Rafe. I have a feeling they are going to have Carrie and Rafe cheat before Sami's lies come out just so she isn't the only one who screwed up and I don't like that.
I don't like what they are doing to the character of Rafe either. Aside from the fact that what was said in this interview doesn't match with what we are seeing on our screens, his character change is what bothers me the most. It's not that people don't change, but not on a dime like they are having Rafe do. Then again maybe this is to lead us into a backstory on Rafe or they are going to blame this behavior change on what the Dimeras did to him.

At first I didn't think he would cheat with Carrie before the reveal, then I was on the fence about it, but now, like you, I think they will cheat before Rafe knows what Sami did with EJ. That is one of the only ways they can make what Sami did not seem so bad, and level the playing field with them. It may make her breathe a sigh of relief on some goofy level and figure when he does find out, she can throw this back in his face.

I think what they do with this couple is totally up in the air at this point. I know Rafe and Safe haters are sure that this is the end of Safe, but I don't think that's necessarily true at all.
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LuvingLumi
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

One thing that bugs me about Sami's kids' birthdays is that when you think about it, Syd has had 2 birthdays and she's what 3 years old? But the twins....nahhhh, we can't have that and that would be made of all kinds of awesome just the players involved would be fabulous....hint MarDar, hint! Could you imagine, Sami, Lucas, Will, Ej, Nicole, Kate, Stefano, Marlena and John in the room with the twins......Sydney isn't more special than any of the other kids Sami has....spread the wealth.
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LuvingLumi
Jan 19 2012, 09:44 PM
Paxton
Jan 19 2012, 08:25 PM
PhoenixRising05
Jan 19 2012, 07:12 PM
I don't mind the way they are bringing Carrie and Rafe together. This is a soap. It's all about contrivances and crap like this. My issue with it is that I don't like where they seem to be going with Rafe. I have a feeling they are going to have Carrie and Rafe cheat before Sami's lies come out just so she isn't the only one who screwed up and I don't like that.
Yeah, I agree. I don't see anything unusually ridiculous about Cafe being brought together, and in fact it's less stupid than, say, Madison falling into Brady's lap, Brady having to take his shirt off for various pointless reasons, etc. Carrie and Rafe have been written to show a common interest in justice, which makes some sense given Rafe's law enforcement background and of course Carrie is an insta-lawyer. Carrie in general has been a decent person outside of her documented straying. Just because Rafe hasn't strayed yet doesn't mean he's immune from temptation. Frankly, he must hold some sort of record for being under the spell of Sami's and only Sami's cooter. I'm glad to see him mixing it up because for the first time I'm sort of interested in him. Getting him out of the vortex of suck will do that. And yes, I'm sure that Cafe will have some guilty experience to make Sami look "better," in fact, she'll be able to be a hypocritical bitch to Rafe because at least she didn't love the man she fucked. Which in typical Sami fashion she'll twist into somehow letting her off the hook.
and don't forget the vow renewal...she fucked the man she hated BEFORE the renewal of vows to her husband. That shit's important you know. :sarcasm:
And Rafe's going to screw his SIL after his renewal of vows to his wife. Yeah, I guess we are supposed to believe that none of that was important to Rafe at all, right? :shame: :shame:
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LuvingLumi
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

magicsteacher
Jan 19 2012, 09:46 PM
PhoenixRising05
Jan 19 2012, 07:12 PM
Based on what others have said, I think Kayla was supposed to return in February but they couldn't use Peggy McCay as Caroline so they just used Kayla in her place. I'm hoping that is the case or who cares?

I don't mind the way they are bringing Carrie and Rafe together. This is a soap. It's all about contrivances and crap like this. My issue with it is that I don't like where they seem to be going with Rafe. I have a feeling they are going to have Carrie and Rafe cheat before Sami's lies come out just so she isn't the only one who screwed up and I don't like that.
I don't like what they are doing to the character of Rafe either. Aside from the fact that what was said in this interview doesn't match with what we are seeing on our screens, his character change is what bothers me the most. It's not that people don't change, but not on a dime like they are having Rafe do. Then again maybe this is to lead us into a backstory on Rafe or they are going to blame this behavior change on what the Dimeras did to him.

At first I didn't think he would cheat with Carrie before the reveal, then I was on the fence about it, but now, like you, I think they will cheat before Rafe knows what Sami did with EJ. That is one of the only ways they can make what Sami did not seem so bad, and level the playing field with them. It may make her breathe a sigh of relief on some goofy level and figure when he does find out, she can throw this back in his face.

I think what they do with this couple is totally up in the air at this point. I know Rafe and Safe haters are sure that this is the end of Safe, but I don't think that's necessarily true at all.
On your last sentence, I might not like Safe but I've never believed they were truly over, especially when we started getting the spoilers that Carrie and RAfe would be growing closer and closer. I always said that they wouldn't let Sami take the complete fall for the angrynotsodeadbabysex without having Rafe do something equally as offensive in Sami's eyes. Here it is.....and I do think if this happens before the Ejami sex reveal then you might see Rafe keep his secret and that comes out later on. I think someone here mentioned a while ago that they thought it would be a quad Lucas/Sami/Rafe/Carrie and I agree...with Austin and Abby pretty much in their own little orbit and PM sounding very 'down' about Carrie and Austin, my take is that they are over because she cheats on him and he finds out.
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I don't think Safe are over either. I'm just glad for GG's sake that he gets to work with someone he sparks with, even if he's ultimately stuck with Sucki.
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Jan 19 2012, 05:47 PM
This SL does not fit the characters of Rafe or Carrie. It is not believable that they could fall for each other. Rafe has always been into Sami and Carrie has always been into Austin. But I do find it very funny that this time around Carrie is going after Sami's man. instead of the other way around. could one say karma is starting to find it way to Sami. cheers: :cheer: :cheer: :popcorn:
Carrie has not always been into Austin.

I was a huge Carrie and Austin fan back in the day and it killed me when she fell for Mike and wound up giving up Austin to be with Mike, but I can't deny it happened.

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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

magicsteacher
Jan 19 2012, 09:50 PM
LuvingLumi
Jan 19 2012, 09:44 PM
Paxton
Jan 19 2012, 08:25 PM
PhoenixRising05
Jan 19 2012, 07:12 PM
I don't mind the way they are bringing Carrie and Rafe together. This is a soap. It's all about contrivances and crap like this. My issue with it is that I don't like where they seem to be going with Rafe. I have a feeling they are going to have Carrie and Rafe cheat before Sami's lies come out just so she isn't the only one who screwed up and I don't like that.
Yeah, I agree. I don't see anything unusually ridiculous about Cafe being brought together, and in fact it's less stupid than, say, Madison falling into Brady's lap, Brady having to take his shirt off for various pointless reasons, etc. Carrie and Rafe have been written to show a common interest in justice, which makes some sense given Rafe's law enforcement background and of course Carrie is an insta-lawyer. Carrie in general has been a decent person outside of her documented straying. Just because Rafe hasn't strayed yet doesn't mean he's immune from temptation. Frankly, he must hold some sort of record for being under the spell of Sami's and only Sami's cooter. I'm glad to see him mixing it up because for the first time I'm sort of interested in him. Getting him out of the vortex of suck will do that. And yes, I'm sure that Cafe will have some guilty experience to make Sami look "better," in fact, she'll be able to be a hypocritical bitch to Rafe because at least she didn't love the man she fucked. Which in typical Sami fashion she'll twist into somehow letting her off the hook.
and don't forget the vow renewal...she fucked the man she hated BEFORE the renewal of vows to her husband. That shit's important you know. :sarcasm:
And Rafe's going to screw his SIL after his renewal of vows to his wife. Yeah, I guess we are supposed to believe that none of that was important to Rafe at all, right? :shame: :shame:
You know some of this stuff feels like it was plugged in last minute, for example in any other soap you would have about 2 or 3 months of featuring Carrie and Austin showing this temptation, a slow build, but it appears they are going at this fast lighting speed. Last week we get hot office, ice cubes and bare torsos. This week we get more eying and getting even more closer and developing feelings during this dance. By the following week they will probably kiss and then by the second week of February they will fall into each others arms. During JER we would get months and months of slow build to an affair, we would get the first kiss after what seemed like months of near miss kisses and fantasies about one another, then one of the two or both wouldn't stop thinking about the kisses and flashing back to them and then the affair would happen. Then the guilt and maybe if it progressed from a ONS then it would happen again. Even Dan and Chloe's affair had a slower better written buildup than this and I'm talking about one of the worse contrived messes I ever saw. I could see them throwing this in last minute after they realized that Sami's character's popularity was at an all time low and having Rafe do this would at least make her look a bit better. I don't know it just seems to be happening way too fast, they could have began these feelings and hotness between Rafe and CArrie (and I mean what we are seeing now)way back around November and built it up from there.
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IMissAremid
Jan 19 2012, 10:00 PM
Virginia
Jan 19 2012, 05:47 PM
This SL does not fit the characters of Rafe or Carrie. It is not believable that they could fall for each other. Rafe has always been into Sami and Carrie has always been into Austin. But I do find it very funny that this time around Carrie is going after Sami's man. instead of the other way around. could one say karma is starting to find it way to Sami. cheers: :cheer: :cheer: :popcorn:
Carrie has not always been into Austin.

I was a huge Carrie and Austin fan back in the day and it killed me when she fell for Mike and wound up giving up Austin to be with Mike, but I can't deny it happened.

yeah, when you think about it, her most faithful relationship was actually with Mike.
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See, if Rafe cheated before he knows about beastsex....thats a total AS script edit right there. If Sami is supposedly going to "pay" (which I'm STILL doubtful about) then it has to be PURELY on her beast act alone and not on the part of Rafe- whos been nothing but a devoted (to a fault) husband. Sami will throw that affair in his face for 20 years....just like she throws it in Marlena's face.
Edited by Liz<3Days, Jan 19 2012, 10:06 PM.
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Yep, this CAFE stuff is so contrived. And if Rafe fucks Carrie BEFORE beastsex is revealed, then it is obvious that AS has had a hand in the timing. These writers need to let Sami's secret come out FIRST so Rafe can fuck Carrie without remorse. THAT will at least make Sami have to pay for her sins!!

I don't want to see CAFE getting together just to give Sami justification for hating Rafe and Carrie. She doesn't have a leg to stand on!
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LuvingLumi
Jan 19 2012, 10:04 PM
IMissAremid
Jan 19 2012, 10:00 PM
Virginia
Jan 19 2012, 05:47 PM
This SL does not fit the characters of Rafe or Carrie. It is not believable that they could fall for each other. Rafe has always been into Sami and Carrie has always been into Austin. But I do find it very funny that this time around Carrie is going after Sami's man. instead of the other way around. could one say karma is starting to find it way to Sami. cheers: :cheer: :cheer: :popcorn:
Carrie has not always been into Austin.

I was a huge Carrie and Austin fan back in the day and it killed me when she fell for Mike and wound up giving up Austin to be with Mike, but I can't deny it happened.

yeah, when you think about it, her most faithful relationship was actually with Mike.
IDK, I still think she lied about him cheating on her and that it happened the other way around. lol
Edited by six, Jan 19 2012, 10:13 PM.
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:hail: Rafe, go on and work that thang. U have absolutely no reason to be faithful to Sami. We'll just chalk it up to a moment of lunacy. Damn that air-conditioning for breaking down! They wouldn't be potentially succumbing to deadairconditioningsex if the units hadn't burned out in the AC. Where's the air when they needed it? It's going make them do something CRAZY. Like have sex.
Of course, Rafe had to be 'bad' and do something so Sami can't bear the brunt of her actions. Like that hasn't happened before. Been going on for years now.
But, I like Carrie/Rafe. I really do.
Yes, some of their matchups and meetings are contrived. But, not too many stellar, edge of your seat moments are happening in Salem anyways. So, I'll take it.
GG and CC have a nice chemistry that needs exploring.
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lazydazes
Jan 19 2012, 10:15 PM
They wouldn't be potentially succumbing to deadairconditioningsex if the units hadn't burned out in the AC. Where's the air when they needed it? It's going make them do something CRAZY. Like have sex.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I bet they won't look like they want to throw up on each other afterwards, though.
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lazydazes
Jan 19 2012, 10:15 PM
:hail: Rafe, go on and work that thang. U have absolutely no reason to be faithful to Sami. We'll just chalk it up to a moment of lunacy. Damn that air-conditioning for breaking down! They wouldn't be potentially succumbing to deadairconditioningsex if the units hadn't burned out in the AC. Where's the air when they needed it? It's going make them do something CRAZY. Like have sex.
Of course, Rafe had to be 'bad' and do something so Sami can't bear the brunt of her actions. Like that hasn't happened before. Been going on for years now.
But, I like Carrie/Rafe. I really do.
Yes, some of their matchups and meetings are contrived. But, not too many stellar, edge of your seat moments are happening in Salem anyways. So, I'll take it.
GG and CC have a nice chemistry that needs exploring.
More like a moment of clarity! LOL

deadairconditioningsex= :rockon:
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Jan 19 2012, 10:03 PM
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and don't forget the vow renewal...she fucked the man she hated BEFORE the renewal of vows to her husband. That shit's important you know. :sarcasm:
And Rafe's going to screw his SIL after his renewal of vows to his wife. Yeah, I guess we are supposed to believe that none of that was important to Rafe at all, right? :shame: :shame:
You know some of this stuff feels like it was plugged in last minute, for example in any other soap you would have about 2 or 3 months of featuring Carrie and Austin showing this temptation, a slow build, but it appears they are going at this fast lighting speed. Last week we get hot office, ice cubes and bare torsos. This week we get more eying and getting even more closer and developing feelings during this dance. By the following week they will probably kiss and then by the second week of February they will fall into each others arms. During JER we would get months and months of slow build to an affair, we would get the first kiss after what seemed like months of near miss kisses and fantasies about one another, then one of the two or both wouldn't stop thinking about the kisses and flashing back to them and then the affair would happen. Then the guilt and maybe if it progressed from a ONS then it would happen again. Even Dan and Chloe's affair had a slower better written buildup than this and I'm talking about one of the worse contrived messes I ever saw. I could see them throwing this in last minute after they realized that Sami's character's popularity was at an all time low and having Rafe do this would at least make her look a bit better. I don't know it just seems to be happening way too fast, they could have began these feelings and hotness between Rafe and CArrie (and I mean what we are seeing now)way back around November and built it up from there.
Exactly how I feel, too. This reaks of being thrown together quickly to push a plot point. A slow build for months would be much more believable given that Rafe has been a tried and true boyfriend, fiance, and husband. Having him see Carrie in a camisole turning him into having the hots for her doesn't make sense. If they would have had them working together in this office for awhile, and then closely together on this contrived task force, then becoming attracted to each other, it would make more sense.
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Sami who?

While I would love nothing more than to watch Safe implode, I have to agree that Carrie and Rafe's attraction for one another seems rather contrived. I could see it happening after deadbabysex is revealed....but definitely not before Rafe and Carrie find out about it. For the most part, Rafe has been characterized as a man who is 100% committed to his wife, and I just don't see him being attracted to another woman, let alone his wife's sister. I have absolutely no problem with Rafe and Carrie hooking up (as a matter of fact, I believe that Rafe fits better with Carrie than he does with Sami), but I do have a problem with the writers forcing this relationship on the audience when neither Carrie nor Rafe have a legitimate reason to prefer one another over their spouses at this point in time.
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LuvingLumi
Jan 19 2012, 09:50 PM
One thing that bugs me about Sami's kids' birthdays is that when you think about it, Syd has had 2 birthdays and she's what 3 years old? But the twins....nahhhh, we can't have that and that would be made of all kinds of awesome just the players involved would be fabulous....hint MarDar, hint! Could you imagine, Sami, Lucas, Will, Ej, Nicole, Kate, Stefano, Marlena and John in the room with the twins......Sydney isn't more special than any of the other kids Sami has....spread the wealth.
I know huh, Sydney even had a half birthday.. No wait that was by her nice loving mommy Nicole :wub2:
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Jan 19 2012, 10:59 PM
While I would love nothing more than to watch Safe implode, I have to agree that Carrie and Rafe's attraction for one another seems rather contrived. I could see it happening after deadbabysex is revealed....but definitely not before Rafe and Carrie find out about it. For the most part, Rafe has been characterized as a man who is 100% committed to his wife, and I just don't see him being attracted to another woman, let alone his wife's sister. I have absolutely no problem with Rafe and Carrie hooking up (as a matter of fact, I believe that Rafe fits better with Carrie than he does with Sami), but I do have a problem with the writers forcing this relationship on the audience when neither Carrie nor Rafe have a legitimate reason to prefer one another over their spouses at this point in time.
Some on this board complain that nothing happens (it's just convos about stuff happening in Salem, without the viewers witnessing anything happening), and some complain that things are moving too fast.

I think MarDar are damned if you do, damned if you don't...

I personally am enjoying the storylines, but believe that MarDar do have some problems with pacing. That said, I am all for Sami being alone and miserable. Carrie and Rafe together is the first time I've actually liked the characters.

I'm cool with them getting together before Sami's secret liaison with EJ comes out, or after. I kinda just want them together. CC and GG are adorbs together. It kind of reminds of why I loved the Mike and Carrie relationship - two good people falling for each other in a bad situation.

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Well I could care less about Rafe and Carrie, but if it means Safe at last will crash, so is everything good in my book.
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