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SOD: Rafe and Carrie Grow Closer; 1/31/12
Topic Started: Jan 19 2012, 03:05 PM (8,802 Views)
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Jan 22 2012, 05:29 PM
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Jan 22 2012, 03:43 PM
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Jan 22 2012, 01:57 PM
Helpless Romantic
Jan 22 2012, 01:47 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep IMO Sami didn't change she matured after dealing with so much grief ie Grace's death Johnny's Cancer etc That has to change a person no one past character is the same from when they first came on. since the reset and on MrticP popint that Rafe is a goody goody good guy that characterization is false when he was a very troubled and rebellious teen who the sister Agnes straightened out and he has been shown to break the rules to seek justice for those he loves. So while foundamentally a good guy he would do anything for those he loves and to get to the truth and in all honesty I with the angst for SAFE Was coming from his past then a over done tierd plot of sister vs sister only this time with Sami's man who loves her more than he will Carrie.Carrrie has after all been the main inciator of their "moments" even trying to talk badly of Sami while fishing for info and snd being none to pleased that he defended her. But bottom line he loves her for better or worse and Carrie is now I think envious of that with how they are playing it and her marriage crumbling almost since stepping foot in Salem.
I never saw Rafe as a goody goody either. I always thought the reason he got Sami's number so well was because he'd been there. It took him all of two minutes to figure out what was going on when he walked on her prank on Hilda and when written in character he was never duped for long by her pranks or lies.
It's hard to determine 'when written in character' is in regard to Rafe - he's not been on canvas long enough to state one way or the other what his character should be. My impression is the longer he's stayed around the more determined TPTB have been to paint him as the ultimate do gooder...the heroeyist hero that ever heroed. And where Sami's concerned he's never been given much of a challenge - he's never been on the receiving end of one of Sami's truly deceptive schemes. He's watched her hurt other people but it's never been aimed at him.
I think it's fairly obvious that one set of writers were portraying Rafe's character one way and now you have new writers coming in changing those personality traits to fit the plot they want to push forward. My problem is that this is an unimaginative, dull route to take. It's no wonder MarDar can't hold viewers attention. There is nothing exciting here to watch. Forced laughter and patting each other on the back continuously don't sell this pair as a couple. The ridiculous ice melting moment taken right off late night porn was an embarrassingly failed attempt to persuade viewers to buy what they are determined to feed us. The horrendous musical score was just an added insult. I want something compelling! That's what they promised us with the reset. A grade-school child could write this weak-ass shit. Now I have to suffer through more of the same until the OMG moment for the shocking sweeps stunt that everyone saw coming.

This pair are screaming for a crazy twist added in to help capture our attention because right now there is nothing clever here. Days isn't going to advance in the ratings by trying to sell this boring match.



Not to mention that this whole storyline with Sami vs Carrie over a man has been done over and over and then done some more. It's boring, boring, boring to keep repeating these same s/ls. Fans want something fresh and new, some adventure, good drama and a real romance. Watching your SIL rub ice all over her chest while porn music is playing in the background isn't romance; not even close. Even the actors knew how ridiculous it was, as they were joking about it on twitter.
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Jan 22 2012, 09:04 PM
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Jan 22 2012, 01:57 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep IMO Sami didn't change she matured after dealing with so much grief ie Grace's death Johnny's Cancer etc That has to change a person no one past character is the same from when they first came on. since the reset and on MrticP popint that Rafe is a goody goody good guy that characterization is false when he was a very troubled and rebellious teen who the sister Agnes straightened out and he has been shown to break the rules to seek justice for those he loves. So while foundamentally a good guy he would do anything for those he loves and to get to the truth
It's hard to determine 'when written in character' is in regard to Rafe - he's not been on canvas long enough to state one way or the other what his character should be. My impression is the longer he's stayed around the more determined TPTB have been to paint him as the ultimate do gooder...the heroeyist hero that ever heroed. And where Sami's concerned he's never been given much of a challenge - he's never been on the receiving end of one of Sami's truly deceptive schemes. He's watched her hurt other people but it's never been aimed at him.
I think it's fairly obvious that one set of writers were portraying Rafe's character one way and now you have new writers coming in changing those personality traits to fit the plot they want to push forward. My problem is that this is an unimaginative, dull route to take. It's no wonder MarDar can't hold viewers attention. There is nothing exciting here to watch. Forced laughter and patting each other on the back continuously don't sell this pair as a couple. The ridiculous ice melting moment taken right off late night porn was an embarrassingly failed attempt to persuade viewers to buy what they are determined to feed us. The horrendous musical score was just an added insult. I want something compelling! That's what they promised us with the reset. A grade-school child could write this weak-ass shit. Now I have to suffer through more of the same until the OMG moment for the shocking sweeps stunt that everyone saw coming.

This pair are screaming for a crazy twist added in to help capture our attention because right now there is nothing clever here. Days isn't going to advance in the ratings by trying to sell this boring match.



Not to mention that this whole storyline with Sami vs Carrie over a man has been done over and over and then done some more. It's boring, boring, boring to keep repeating these same s/ls. Fans want something fresh and new, some adventure, good drama and a real romance. Watching your SIL rub ice all over her chest while porn music is playing in the background isn't romance; not even close. Even the actors knew how ridiculous it was, as they were joking about it on twitter.
Too bad the shallow idiots that call themselves writers think this is "amazing". If it was the show wouldn't be in LAST place. Clearly the few soap fans left don't care to watch and no new ones are being brought in because soaps are dying. So whats to invest in... nothing.
Edited by Helpless Romantic, Jan 22 2012, 09:11 PM.
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Jan 22 2012, 08:35 PM
I don't really see the need for Cafe at all, other than to write in Rafe's exit. He's been hired/created to replace Lucas, and now the original is back. He's been likened to Austin too in some of the interviews, but the original is back also. The super duper dynamic duo (Bo and Hope) are back together on the force as the lead investigators of Salem's PD. There simply isn't any purpose for Rafe on the canvas now. If Austin gets killed off, then I can see Rafe leaving to Switzerland with Carrie.

Now if they'll start a triangle between Safe and Lumi, I would think most people would find it boring. Not to mention that more than likely, Rafe would win - not only because KC (or his wife as rumor has it) has an unhealty obsession with GG, but realistically Sami would have outgrown Lucas whom she's known and has had an on and off relationship since she was a teenager. In which case we could end up with Safe, and possibly Lucas and Carrie, since Sami has always been Lucas' second choice, and Carrie "the one" he always wanted. None of these scenarious would make ME happy, anyways.

I don't know where anyone gets the idea that GG/Rafe is leaving the show just b/c he and Sami may be apart or b/c Lucas is returning. It may be wishful thinking on the part of some who want to make sure Rafe is no threat to their couple, but no way do I see GG leaving.
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damm this is KC's fault he is the leading denominate in this shit. He's the one who fucken brought this writers to torture us.
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Jan 22 2012, 07:33 PM
carrie doesnt deserve rafe.
You are right about that. Rafe is a stand up guy who has always been true to the person he loves. Carrie has always been a cheater. It never mattered to her whether or not she was married or who she hurt in the process, and this is no different. Carrie is married and has been hitting on her sister's husband since she came back to Salem and all the while putting on a "miss goody two shoes" act. And when she decides she wants Austin back, she will leave Rafe in the dust just like she's done to everyother man.

No. Carrie does not deserve Rafe.
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Jan 22 2012, 09:08 PM
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Jan 22 2012, 08:35 PM
I don't really see the need for Cafe at all, other than to write in Rafe's exit. He's been hired/created to replace Lucas, and now the original is back. He's been likened to Austin too in some of the interviews, but the original is back also. The super duper dynamic duo (Bo and Hope) are back together on the force as the lead investigators of Salem's PD. There simply isn't any purpose for Rafe on the canvas now. If Austin gets killed off, then I can see Rafe leaving to Switzerland with Carrie.

Now if they'll start a triangle between Safe and Lumi, I would think most people would find it boring. Not to mention that more than likely, Rafe would win - not only because KC (or his wife as rumor has it) has an unhealty obsession with GG, but realistically Sami would have outgrown Lucas whom she's known and has had an on and off relationship since she was a teenager. In which case we could end up with Safe, and possibly Lucas and Carrie, since Sami has always been Lucas' second choice, and Carrie "the one" he always wanted. None of these scenarious would make ME happy, anyways.

I don't know where anyone gets the idea that GG/Rafe is leaving the show just b/c he and Sami may be apart or b/c Lucas is returning. It may be wishful thinking on the part of some who want to make sure Rafe is no threat to their couple, but no way do I see GG leaving.
I would personally consider Lucas more of a threat than Rafe, but that's just me. :shrug: I simply don't see the use for Rafe on the canvas anymore, and I mentioned my reasons in my previous post - but it doesn't mean I'm right. Him leaving with Carrie to Switzerland would make sense to me, if in fact his character will be "rested". He never had a story outside of Sami, so with both Lucas and EJ on the canvas, and no storylines of his own, not to mention no history or development, Rafe is a vulnerable character.

If Safe is any example, it shows that sharing children, history, etc. has nothing to do with whether or not a couple will end up together, so who Sami will end up in the end is anyone's guess.
Edited by daisy132, Jan 22 2012, 10:02 PM.
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Jan 22 2012, 08:35 PM
I don't really see the need for Cafe at all, other than to write in Rafe's exit. He's been hired/created to replace Lucas, and now the original is back. He's been likened to Austin too in some of the interviews, but the original is back also. The super duper dynamic duo (Bo and Hope) are back together on the force as the lead investigators of Salem's PD. There simply isn't any purpose for Rafe on the canvas now. If Austin gets killed off, then I can see Rafe leaving to Switzerland with Carrie.

Now if they'll start a triangle between Safe and Lumi, I would think most people would find it boring. Not to mention that more than likely, Rafe would win - not only because KC (or his wife as rumor has it) has an unhealty obsession with GG, but realistically Sami would have outgrown Lucas whom she's known and has had an on and off relationship since she was a teenager. In which case we could end up with Safe, and possibly Lucas and Carrie, since Sami has always been Lucas' second choice, and Carrie "the one" he always wanted. None of these scenarious would make ME happy, anyways.

I don't know where anyone gets the idea that GG/Rafe is leaving the show just b/c he and Sami may be apart or b/c Lucas is returning. It may be wishful thinking on the part of some who want to make sure Rafe is no threat to their couple, but no way do I see GG leaving.
I would personally consider Lucas more of a threat than Rafe, but that's just me. :shrug: I simply don't see the use for Rafe on the canvas anymore, and I mentioned my reasons in my previous post - but it doesn't mean I'm right. Him leaving with Carrie to Switzerland would make sense to me, if in fact his character will be "rested". He never had a story outside of Sami, so with both Lucas and EJ on the canvas, and no storylines of his own, not to mention no history or development, Rafe is a vulnerable character.

If Safe is any example, it shows that sharing children, history, etc. has nothing to do with whether or not a couple will end up together, so who Sami will end up in the end is anyone's guess.
None of Samis men are EVER allowed a story outside of her orbit. If they are its not for long and I think its we the fans of__________ pairing go back and forth and they love that they live to piss us off and it doesn't matter who is at the helm. Or what fan group or groups you belong to. We allget screwed over for investing in our favourite pairings and the PTB laugh for a job well done of pissing fans off and this is why I say the toying is not over and Sami will be bounced around until the end. :shame:
Edited by Helpless Romantic, Jan 22 2012, 10:10 PM.
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Jan 22 2012, 08:35 PM
I don't really see the need for Cafe at all, other than to write in Rafe's exit. He's been hired/created to replace Lucas, and now the original is back. He's been likened to Austin too in some of the interviews, but the original is back also. The super duper dynamic duo (Bo and Hope) are back together on the force as the lead investigators of Salem's PD. There simply isn't any purpose for Rafe on the canvas now. If Austin gets killed off, then I can see Rafe leaving to Switzerland with Carrie.

Now if they'll start a triangle between Safe and Lumi, I would think most people would find it boring. Not to mention that more than likely, Rafe would win - not only because KC (or his wife as rumor has it) has an unhealty obsession with GG, but realistically Sami would have outgrown Lucas whom she's known and has had an on and off relationship since she was a teenager. In which case we could end up with Safe, and possibly Lucas and Carrie, since Sami has always been Lucas' second choice, and Carrie "the one" he always wanted. None of these scenarious would make ME happy, anyways.

I don't know where anyone gets the idea that GG/Rafe is leaving the show just b/c he and Sami may be apart or b/c Lucas is returning. It may be wishful thinking on the part of some who want to make sure Rafe is no threat to their couple, but no way do I see GG leaving.
I would personally consider Lucas more of a threat than Rafe, but that's just me. :shrug: I simply don't see the use for Rafe on the canvas anymore, and I mentioned my reasons in my previous post - but it doesn't mean I'm right. Him leaving with Carrie to Switzerland would make sense to me, if in fact his character will be "rested". He never had a story outside of Sami, so with both Lucas and EJ on the canvas, and no storylines of his own, not to mention no history or development, Rafe is a vulnerable character.

If Safe is any example, it shows that sharing children, history, etc. has nothing to do with whether or not a couple will end up together, so who Sami will end up in the end is anyone's guess.
I think it's totally possible that the writers are choosing to take Rafe's character in a different direction right now, but I still don't think that direction is Switzerland and certainly not with Carrie. Carrie always goes back to Austin, and no doubt she will again.

My guess is that we will end up with a Rafe/Sami/Lucas triangle after all this Rafe/Carrie crap is over with.
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Jan 22 2012, 08:35 PM
I don't really see the need for Cafe at all, other than to write in Rafe's exit. He's been hired/created to replace Lucas, and now the original is back. He's been likened to Austin too in some of the interviews, but the original is back also. The super duper dynamic duo (Bo and Hope) are back together on the force as the lead investigators of Salem's PD. There simply isn't any purpose for Rafe on the canvas now. If Austin gets killed off, then I can see Rafe leaving to Switzerland with Carrie.

Now if they'll start a triangle between Safe and Lumi, I would think most people would find it boring. Not to mention that more than likely, Rafe would win - not only because KC (or his wife as rumor has it) has an unhealty obsession with GG, but realistically Sami would have outgrown Lucas whom she's known and has had an on and off relationship since she was a teenager. In which case we could end up with Safe, and possibly Lucas and Carrie, since Sami has always been Lucas' second choice, and Carrie "the one" he always wanted. None of these scenarious would make ME happy, anyways.

I don't know where anyone gets the idea that GG/Rafe is leaving the show just b/c he and Sami may be apart or b/c Lucas is returning. It may be wishful thinking on the part of some who want to make sure Rafe is no threat to their couple, but no way do I see GG leaving.
I would personally consider Lucas more of a threat than Rafe, but that's just me. :shrug: I simply don't see the use for Rafe on the canvas anymore, and I mentioned my reasons in my previous post - but it doesn't mean I'm right. Him leaving with Carrie to Switzerland would make sense to me, if in fact his character will be "rested". He never had a story outside of Sami, so with both Lucas and EJ on the canvas, and no storylines of his own, not to mention no history or development, Rafe is a vulnerable character.

If Safe is any example, it shows that sharing children, history, etc. has nothing to do with whether or not a couple will end up together, so who Sami will end up in the end is anyone's guess.
None of Samis men are EVER allowed a story outside of her orbit. If they are its not for long and I think its we the fans of__________ pairing go back and forth and they love that they live to piss us off and it doesn't matter who is at the helm. Or what fan group or groups you belong to. We allget screwed over for investing in our favourite pairings and the PTB laugh for a job well done of pissing fans off and this is why I say the toying is not over and Sami will be bounced around until the end. :shame:
And I think these particular writers are loving it, as Darrell said, "dangling that carrot" in front of all the fanbases. They are enjoying keeping the pot stirred and everyone hoping their couple wins out. Thing is, the stories are so old and boring, I doubt many of the fans will stick around to find out.
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Jan 22 2012, 07:33 PM
carrie doesnt deserve rafe.
You are right about that. Rafe is a stand up guy who has always been true to the person he loves. Carrie has always been a cheater. It never mattered to her whether or not she was married or who she hurt in the process, and this is no different. Carrie is married and has been hitting on her sister's husband since she came back to Salem and all the while putting on a "miss goody two shoes" act. And when she decides she wants Austin back, she will leave Rafe in the dust just like she's done to everyother man.

No. Carrie does not deserve Rafe.
Truth be told we really don't know this. We know that up to now Rafe has been true to Sami but we have no idea what his past relationships have been like. He may very well have a track record of cheating that just hasn't come to light as yet. :shrug:
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Maybe the Emily storyline isn't dropped yet. Maybe Rafe is going to stay faithful to Sami and lose it when he finds out about her and EJ. Do we know what happened the day Emily died? Wasn't Rafe speeding ,or something, while they were having an argument and they got in an accident? Could it have been that Emily cheated on him? I remember his sister being being worried that "it will happen again" when he told her about being involved with Sami - and Sami and EJ's history.
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Jan 22 2012, 11:35 AM
I haven't seen Rafe have a gleam in his eye like he has when he looks at Carrie the ENTIRE time he has been with Sami. I like him for the first time on Days, reminds me of when I adored Luis when he was with Sheridan.


I didnt watch much Passions when it was on. But didnt Sheridan try and killed Luis with pruning shears after she begged him to take her back? All the while Fansy was waiting on him to get on with their wedding?


That would be awesome to see Carrie crack up if Rafe goes back to Sami. Maybe Lucas will come in and sweep her off her feet. While Ausint entertains Abby.

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Jan 22 2012, 07:33 PM
carrie doesnt deserve rafe.
You are right about that. Rafe is a stand up guy who has always been true to the person he loves. Carrie has always been a cheater. It never mattered to her whether or not she was married or who she hurt in the process, and this is no different. Carrie is married and has been hitting on her sister's husband since she came back to Salem and all the while putting on a "miss goody two shoes" act. And when she decides she wants Austin back, she will leave Rafe in the dust just like she's done to everyother man.

No. Carrie does not deserve Rafe.
Truth be told we really don't know this. We know that up to now Rafe has been true to Sami but we have no idea what his past relationships have been like. He may very well have a track record of cheating that just hasn't come to light as yet. :shrug:
Anything is possible however, what we know of Rafe's relationship status post Emily and pre meeting Sami is that he buried himself in his work and that he had vacation days that he did not take while he worked for the FBI. Hilda told Sami that he was single when she wanted to know more about him, So he was from what we know with no one post Emily until Sami came along. Also pre Emily we know that he was involved with that Spanish agent that showed up that Sami was jealous of forget her name. Daisy you are right the car was speeding and they hit a tree. At the time they wrote it to show that Rafe was covering or protecting Ari from something thats what I think the "its happening again" line meant and of course that would be something that would ruin his FBI career which was in the letter Emily's sister wrote but she was crazy. I would also hope that Rafe's past- his childhood or the Emily deal be brought up again as anything would be an improvement over the current direction IMO.
Edited by Helpless Romantic, Jan 22 2012, 11:52 PM.
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Jan 22 2012, 07:33 PM
carrie doesnt deserve rafe.
You are right about that. Rafe is a stand up guy who has always been true to the person he loves. Carrie has always been a cheater. It never mattered to her whether or not she was married or who she hurt in the process, and this is no different. Carrie is married and has been hitting on her sister's husband since she came back to Salem and all the while putting on a "miss goody two shoes" act. And when she decides she wants Austin back, she will leave Rafe in the dust just like she's done to everyother man.

No. Carrie does not deserve Rafe.
Truth be told we really don't know this. We know that up to now Rafe has been true to Sami but we have no idea what his past relationships have been like. He may very well have a track record of cheating that just hasn't come to light as yet. :shrug:
Anything is possible however, what we know of Rafe's relationship status post Emily and pre meeting Sami is that he buried himself in his work and that he had vacation days that he did not take while he worked for the FBI. Hilda told Sami that he was single when she wanted to know more about him, So he was from what we know with no one post Emily until Sami came along. Also pre Emily we know that he was involved with that Spanish agent that showed up that Sami was jealous of forget her name. Daisy you are right the car was speeding and they hit a tree. At the time they wrote it to show that Rafe was covering or protecting Ari from something thats what I think the "its happening again" line meant and of course that would be something that would ruin his FBI career which was in the letter Emily's sister wrote but she was crazy. I would also hope that Rafe's past- his childhood or the Emily deal be brought up again as anything would be an improvement over the current direction IMO.
Rafe's character has so much potential since his past has been virtually left untapped. His rocky childhood, why he was covering for Ariana that lead to Emily's death or even past FBI cases coming back to haunt him could enrich his story. Instead MarDar choose to dress him up, Luis style, in costume character so he can play another round of oogly-googly eyes. This stupid plot isn't creating a man viewers could come to know better, it's turning him into a pathetic prop.

Sami gets on my nerves, but in this case I would love to see her swing her sister around by her hair and knock Rafe out with a great left hook . . . and not because she is jealous, but for allowing themselves to be turned into such weak caricatures.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deep Rafe is a stand up guy who has always been true to the person he loves. Carrie has always been a cheater. It never mattered to her whether or not she was married or who she hurt in the process, and this is no different. Carrie is married and has been hitting on her sister's husband since she came back to Salem and all the while putting on a "miss goody two shoes" act. And when she decides she wants Austin back, she will leave Rafe in the dust just like she's done to everyother man.

No. Carrie does not deserve Rafe.
Truth be told we really don't know this. We know that up to now Rafe has been true to Sami but we have no idea what his past relationships have been like. He may very well have a track record of cheating that just hasn't come to light as yet. :shrug:
Anything is possible however, what we know of Rafe's relationship status post Emily and pre meeting Sami is that he buried himself in his work and that he had vacation days that he did not take while he worked for the FBI. Hilda told Sami that he was single when she wanted to know more about him, So he was from what we know with no one post Emily until Sami came along. Also pre Emily we know that he was involved with that Spanish agent that showed up that Sami was jealous of forget her name. Daisy you are right the car was speeding and they hit a tree. At the time they wrote it to show that Rafe was covering or protecting Ari from something thats what I think the "its happening again" line meant and of course that would be something that would ruin his FBI career which was in the letter Emily's sister wrote but she was crazy. I would also hope that Rafe's past- his childhood or the Emily deal be brought up again as anything would be an improvement over the current direction IMO.
Rafe's character has so much potential since his past has been virtually left untapped. His rocky childhood, why he was covering for Ariana that lead to Emily's death or even past FBI cases coming back to haunt him could enrich his story. Instead MarDar choose to dress him up, Luis style, in costume character so he can play another round of oogly-googly eyes. This stupid plot isn't creating a man viewers could come to know better, it's turning him into a pathetic prop.

Sami gets on my nerves, but in this case I would love to see her swing her sister around by her hair and knock Rafe out with a great left hook . . . and not because she is jealous, but for allowing themselves to be turned into such weak caricatures.
ITA. They set the groundwork for great potential sls re his past his childhood having sister Agnes say that something horrible happened to him as a child. But all was dropped for the Sydnapping and other plot points that kept going around in circles. What I would like to know is all the things you mentioned plus why he never talks about his mother? We know she is still alive they could even write it if they wanted that she was abusive or his father was. ANYTHING is better than musical beds. But then the PTB all of them were not creative enough and ALL went the predictable route MarDar being no different. :shame: But then the angst would actually need to be written as character driven with some effort and not plot with absolutely no effort.
Edited by Helpless Romantic, Jan 23 2012, 11:22 AM.
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I don't really see the need for Cafe at all, other than to write in Rafe's exit. He's been hired/created to replace Lucas, and now the original is back. He's been likened to Austin too in some of the interviews, but the original is back also. The super duper dynamic duo (Bo and Hope) are back together on the force as the lead investigators of Salem's PD. There simply isn't any purpose for Rafe on the canvas now. If Austin gets killed off, then I can see Rafe leaving to Switzerland with Carrie.

Now if they'll start a triangle between Safe and Lumi, I would think most people would find it boring. Not to mention that more than likely, Rafe would win - not only because KC (or his wife as rumor has it) has an unhealty obsession with GG, but realistically Sami would have outgrown Lucas whom she's known and has had an on and off relationship since she was a teenager. In which case we could end up with Safe, and possibly Lucas and Carrie, since Sami has always been Lucas' second choice, and Carrie "the one" he always wanted. None of these scenarious would make ME happy, anyways.

I don't know where anyone gets the idea that GG/Rafe is leaving the show just b/c he and Sami may be apart or b/c Lucas is returning. It may be wishful thinking on the part of some who want to make sure Rafe is no threat to their couple, but no way do I see GG leaving.
I would personally consider Lucas more of a threat than Rafe, but that's just me. :shrug: I simply don't see the use for Rafe on the canvas anymore, and I mentioned my reasons in my previous post - but it doesn't mean I'm right. Him leaving with Carrie to Switzerland would make sense to me, if in fact his character will be "rested". He never had a story outside of Sami, so with both Lucas and EJ on the canvas, and no storylines of his own, not to mention no history or development, Rafe is a vulnerable character.

If Safe is any example, it shows that sharing children, history, etc. has nothing to do with whether or not a couple will end up together, so who Sami will end up in the end is anyone's guess.
NO ONE and that includes ALL of Sami's MEN including EJ, has had a story outside of Sami. When we all realize that if the guy we like is in a relationship with Sami and he just happens to move away from her then he will likely end up in one of two places. Cheating on her and leaving town (Brandon and maybe Rafe soon), or being the loser in love (Lucas, EJ), never to succeed with another woman again because if you have a love story with Sami, then for some reason no other woman can ever love you but her, lol.

Realistically, I would sit through a Safe/Lumi triangle, even if it turns out to be boring because let's face it, I've watched Ejami/Safe, and Ejami/Lumi, so a new storyline would probably draw me in. I don't think I'm the only one that would sit through it either, so maybe that is where they are headed? Maybe not? Who knows, we'll have to wait I guess, but of all of Sami's men the one who appears to have the ability to break away from the usual, (cheater/loser in love) mode is Ej, solely because he has a woman who loves him and he apparently loves, so they can break the mold with him perhaps.

Oh, and why are we even believing stuff KC is saying? Hasn't he lied over the years, on numerous occassions? They will try what they think will work and if it doesn't work they will try something else. It has nothing to do with what KC wants as I'm sure if it were up to him, or his wife he would have never had Sami cheat on Rafe with EJ, right?

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Jan 22 2012, 10:51 PM
Maybe the Emily storyline isn't dropped yet. Maybe Rafe is going to stay faithful to Sami and lose it when he finds out about her and EJ. Do we know what happened the day Emily died? Wasn't Rafe speeding ,or something, while they were having an argument and they got in an accident? Could it have been that Emily cheated on him? I remember his sister being being worried that "it will happen again" when he told her about being involved with Sami - and Sami and EJ's history.
It would fit actually if they revisit that, if they are invested in the character of Rafe they will do that. I also heard a rumor that they are keeping an eye on Lindsay Hartley, I think one or both of the writers follow her on twitter. If that were the case, they could bring her back to sort of help her brother out and since it appeared that she was also involved with what occurred with Emily then maybe they can tie her into that story too, she already hates Sami, so that fits too.
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Jan 22 2012, 08:35 PM
I don't really see the need for Cafe at all, other than to write in Rafe's exit. He's been hired/created to replace Lucas, and now the original is back. He's been likened to Austin too in some of the interviews, but the original is back also. The super duper dynamic duo (Bo and Hope) are back together on the force as the lead investigators of Salem's PD. There simply isn't any purpose for Rafe on the canvas now. If Austin gets killed off, then I can see Rafe leaving to Switzerland with Carrie.

Now if they'll start a triangle between Safe and Lumi, I would think most people would find it boring. Not to mention that more than likely, Rafe would win - not only because KC (or his wife as rumor has it) has an unhealty obsession with GG, but realistically Sami would have outgrown Lucas whom she's known and has had an on and off relationship since she was a teenager. In which case we could end up with Safe, and possibly Lucas and Carrie, since Sami has always been Lucas' second choice, and Carrie "the one" he always wanted. None of these scenarious would make ME happy, anyways.

I don't know where anyone gets the idea that GG/Rafe is leaving the show just b/c he and Sami may be apart or b/c Lucas is returning. It may be wishful thinking on the part of some who want to make sure Rafe is no threat to their couple, but no way do I see GG leaving.
I would personally consider Lucas more of a threat than Rafe, but that's just me. :shrug: I simply don't see the use for Rafe on the canvas anymore, and I mentioned my reasons in my previous post - but it doesn't mean I'm right. Him leaving with Carrie to Switzerland would make sense to me, if in fact his character will be "rested". He never had a story outside of Sami, so with both Lucas and EJ on the canvas, and no storylines of his own, not to mention no history or development, Rafe is a vulnerable character.

If Safe is any example, it shows that sharing children, history, etc. has nothing to do with whether or not a couple will end up together, so who Sami will end up in the end is anyone's guess.
NO ONE and that includes ALL of Sami's MEN including EJ, has had a story outside of Sami. When we all realize that if the guy we like is in a relationship with Sami and he just happens to move away from her then he will likely end up in one of two places. Cheating on her and leaving town (Brandon and maybe Rafe soon), or being the loser in love (Lucas, EJ), never to succeed with another woman again because if you have a love story with Sami, then for some reason no other woman can ever love you but her, lol.

Realistically, I would sit through a Safe/Lumi triangle, even if it turns out to be boring because let's face it, I've watched Ejami/Safe, and Ejami/Lumi, so a new storyline would probably draw me in. I don't think I'm the only one that would sit through it either, so maybe that is where they are headed? Maybe not? Who knows, we'll have to wait I guess, but of all of Sami's men the one who appears to have the ability to break away from the usual, (cheater/loser in love) mode is Ej, solely because he has a woman who loves him and he apparently loves, so they can break the mold with him perhaps.

Oh, and why are we even believing stuff KC is saying? Hasn't he lied over the years, on numerous occassions? They will try what they think will work and if it doesn't work they will try something else. It has nothing to do with what KC wants as I'm sure if it were up to him, or his wife he would have never had Sami cheat on Rafe with EJ, right?

LL awesome post! You summed it up even nicer than I did but as I said I doubt GG is going anywhere and the one I do see leaving is SC because like I said earlier he was tested with the most women and it NEVER works or a pairing that made sense re him and Carly they didn't go with.
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Jan 23 2012, 11:29 AM
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Jan 22 2012, 10:00 PM
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Jan 22 2012, 09:08 PM
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Jan 22 2012, 08:35 PM
I don't really see the need for Cafe at all, other than to write in Rafe's exit. He's been hired/created to replace Lucas, and now the original is back. He's been likened to Austin too in some of the interviews, but the original is back also. The super duper dynamic duo (Bo and Hope) are back together on the force as the lead investigators of Salem's PD. There simply isn't any purpose for Rafe on the canvas now. If Austin gets killed off, then I can see Rafe leaving to Switzerland with Carrie.

Now if they'll start a triangle between Safe and Lumi, I would think most people would find it boring. Not to mention that more than likely, Rafe would win - not only because KC (or his wife as rumor has it) has an unhealty obsession with GG, but realistically Sami would have outgrown Lucas whom she's known and has had an on and off relationship since she was a teenager. In which case we could end up with Safe, and possibly Lucas and Carrie, since Sami has always been Lucas' second choice, and Carrie "the one" he always wanted. None of these scenarious would make ME happy, anyways.

I don't know where anyone gets the idea that GG/Rafe is leaving the show just b/c he and Sami may be apart or b/c Lucas is returning. It may be wishful thinking on the part of some who want to make sure Rafe is no threat to their couple, but no way do I see GG leaving.
I would personally consider Lucas more of a threat than Rafe, but that's just me. :shrug: I simply don't see the use for Rafe on the canvas anymore, and I mentioned my reasons in my previous post - but it doesn't mean I'm right. Him leaving with Carrie to Switzerland would make sense to me, if in fact his character will be "rested". He never had a story outside of Sami, so with both Lucas and EJ on the canvas, and no storylines of his own, not to mention no history or development, Rafe is a vulnerable character.

If Safe is any example, it shows that sharing children, history, etc. has nothing to do with whether or not a couple will end up together, so who Sami will end up in the end is anyone's guess.
NO ONE and that includes ALL of Sami's MEN including EJ, has had a story outside of Sami. When we all realize that if the guy we like is in a relationship with Sami and he just happens to move away from her then he will likely end up in one of two places. Cheating on her and leaving town (Brandon and maybe Rafe soon), or being the loser in love (Lucas, EJ), never to succeed with another woman again because if you have a love story with Sami, then for some reason no other woman can ever love you but her, lol.

Realistically, I would sit through a Safe/Lumi triangle, even if it turns out to be boring because let's face it, I've watched Ejami/Safe, and Ejami/Lumi, so a new storyline would probably draw me in. I don't think I'm the only one that would sit through it either, so maybe that is where they are headed? Maybe not? Who knows, we'll have to wait I guess, but of all of Sami's men the one who appears to have the ability to break away from the usual, (cheater/loser in love) mode is Ej, solely because he has a woman who loves him and he apparently loves, so they can break the mold with him perhaps.

Oh, and why are we even believing stuff KC is saying? Hasn't he lied over the years, on numerous occassions? They will try what they think will work and if it doesn't work they will try something else. It has nothing to do with what KC wants as I'm sure if it were up to him, or his wife he would have never had Sami cheat on Rafe with EJ, right?

I am with you. I would much rather see a Safe/Lumi triangle than another Ejami/Lumi or Ejami/Safe triangle. At least we haven't seen a Safe/Lumi triangle yet, and since these writers are insisting on writing triangles, at least it's something different.

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I would personally consider Lucas more of a threat than Rafe, but that's just me. :shrug: I simply don't see the use for Rafe on the canvas anymore, and I mentioned my reasons in my previous post - but it doesn't mean I'm right. Him leaving with Carrie to Switzerland would make sense to me, if in fact his character will be "rested". He never had a story outside of Sami, so with both Lucas and EJ on the canvas, and no storylines of his own, not to mention no history or development, Rafe is a vulnerable character.

If Safe is any example, it shows that sharing children, history, etc. has nothing to do with whether or not a couple will end up together, so who Sami will end up in the end is anyone's guess.
NO ONE and that includes ALL of Sami's MEN including EJ, has had a story outside of Sami. When we all realize that if the guy we like is in a relationship with Sami and he just happens to move away from her then he will likely end up in one of two places. Cheating on her and leaving town (Brandon and maybe Rafe soon), or being the loser in love (Lucas, EJ), never to succeed with another woman again because if you have a love story with Sami, then for some reason no other woman can ever love you but her, lol.

Realistically, I would sit through a Safe/Lumi triangle, even if it turns out to be boring because let's face it, I've watched Ejami/Safe, and Ejami/Lumi, so a new storyline would probably draw me in. I don't think I'm the only one that would sit through it either, so maybe that is where they are headed? Maybe not? Who knows, we'll have to wait I guess, but of all of Sami's men the one who appears to have the ability to break away from the usual, (cheater/loser in love) mode is Ej, solely because he has a woman who loves him and he apparently loves, so they can break the mold with him perhaps.

Oh, and why are we even believing stuff KC is saying? Hasn't he lied over the years, on numerous occassions? They will try what they think will work and if it doesn't work they will try something else. It has nothing to do with what KC wants as I'm sure if it were up to him, or his wife he would have never had Sami cheat on Rafe with EJ, right?

I am with you. I would much rather see a Safe/Lumi triangle than another Ejami/Lumi or Ejami/Safe triangle. At least we haven't seen a Safe/Lumi triangle yet, and since these writers are insisting on writing triangles, at least it's something different.

I disagree I would hate to see a triangle that Safe and Lumi, Rafe needs to move on. Whether that is with Carrie or not, I don`t see why it i such a bad idea for Rafe to move on, just how long is one guy suppose to be attached to the same woman :shame:

Not only that but Saimi of all people.

Geez let the guy move on for once.
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