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SOD: Daniel Leaves Jennifer; 1/31/12 issue
Topic Started: Jan 19 2012, 03:10 PM (19,032 Views)
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Jan 23 2012, 07:57 AM
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Jan 22 2012, 07:47 PM
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Jan 22 2012, 07:02 PM

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Wow How did I never know this. I was in my early teens and lost interest after MA left for a long time. Interesting. I could see the appeal there though Jason Brooks is hot! Definitely has his way with the ladies. Sorry for the derail y'all...carry on!
I would just caution that, while it's a long-standing rumor that is accepted by many, to my knowlege it has NOT actually been confirmed by any of the parties involved. There are a couple of websites out there that claim to have the inside story, but that's questionable since the people who would actually know aren't talking.

Yes, MR left the show abruptly in 95, and yes, the show filed a lawsuit for breach of contract. But since the suit was either later dropped or settled privately, any allegations in that suit were never confirmed or proven. Nobody was talking and the entire matter was never referred to again. Btw, there were other rumors swirling at the time, including that MR had a stalker or that there was some other personal (health?) challenge she was going through. The role of Jennifer was recast and MR became a stay-at-home mom who had another child a couple of years later.

When MR came back to the show in 2001, the show seemed to have written out that chapter of Jennifer's history, which fueled renewed speculation about what happened in 95.

The rumor has been repeated so often that there seem to be a number of fans who just accept it as fact. But again none of us really knows what, if anything, happened.

ETA: I feel compelled to urge caution because MR has children who are now in high school and college. Either they or their friends might come across a reference to this topic and I would hope that they would also see it labelled as gossip, innuendo, and speculation rather than absolute fact. Just sayin'

Jason Brooks was listed in that lawsuit for a reason, they had an affair, and he was involved in her departure as a result.

"MR had a stalker or that there was some other personal (health?) challenge she was going through." - why would Jason be listed if those were the issues?

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Sorry, I personally find it naive to see people calling it a rumor still - 1. JB is named in the lawsuit 2.MR has never denied it 3. Peter has become an unmentionable on the show 4. Missy NEVER mentions Peter or Jason

People will believe whatever they want. It still proves nothing. The lawsuit was put together by some attorneys, and it never was tested or answered in a court of law, so it is merely some allegations that have never been confirmed or denied. You're right to say MR has not denied anything. Then again, she's never said anything in public at all about that time. None of them has. Silence does not automatically equate to guilt. For example, if the truth were to make JB look even worse, then of course he would not come out and say anything. He would be only too happy to let people assume what they're assuming. So there could be many complicated reasons why people have chosen not to speak.

Yes, it could be as it seems. However, I could write you a dozen different scenarios, which would fit these superficial parameters, yet that would still not involve an actual affair. But as I said, people will take a few bits of facts, assumptions, and innuendos, and piece them together however they like. It does not make them absolute truth.

In any case, in my naivete, I prefer to think that in the end, it is none of our business. Continuing to make speculations and assertions on a matter that happened almost 20 years ago is pointless -- and can only serve to potentially do emotional harm to the families or friends who stumble across stuff like this on message boards and websites.

To bring this back to the topic, I feel like if we all weren't so frustrated about the way this whole triangle story is going -- and with the way that Jennifer is being written -- we would have much better things to talk about. Maybe someday, some future writing team will choose to ignore the entire "Daniel leaves Jennifer" saga. To my mind, it needs to be completely erased from all our beleaguered brains.


Edited by annie21, Jan 23 2012, 10:10 AM.
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Jan 23 2012, 02:36 AM
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Jan 22 2012, 10:27 PM
Picked up the new SOD also, and the article doesn't say failed marriage, it says failed relationship. That's a typo by the OP.

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Seems Missy quotes are the same as in SOW, just edited to fit the space. But reading both articles I really believe MarDar were back in summer instructed to outline J/J/D story where Dannifer are the rooting couple and Jack the obstacle. Thatīs exactly what Corday promissed in his first post-Higley interview. He said he wanted more story for Jennifer (so they wrote her into the election story) and that he liked Dannifer but happy couples can be boring so they were bringing someone from past to give them conflict. Weīd already knew itīs Jack, but he never even bothered mention his name because that story was supposed to be all about Dannifer.

And from that POV it made sense first. Jack returns, Jennifer gets confused and agrees with the doubledating stuff and when she is almost sure she wants Daniel Jack reveals his PTSD bomb. Daniel realises J/J needs each other more and bows out even when Dan/jen still loves each other. Thatīs I think was the original story. Why anybody thought it will just go through and fans will accept it I have no idea. Anyway, when the negative reaction started and people turned against Jen MarDar had no other option but to start fiddle with the story and eventually let Jack bow out completely as well because instead of people sympathizing with her they turned against her and blamed her for using Jack and twisting him around. Thatīs really where Missy has screwed herself up because she was trying so hard to sell Dannifer nobody believed Jennifer even cares about Jack, let alone still loves him.

When the show let Jack bow out they had no story for him outside the triangle because nothing of this was in the original outline. But they also lost the main motivation why Dannifer canīt be together which made Jennifer look even worse. And thatīs where we are now. I donīt think we will see any movement in the story till atleast March. Then MarDar will have to decide if they really still want to go with Dannifer, even when whatever support they might had back in summer really mostly died out, but in that case they will have to also give them some new conflict. Or they realize J/J are still much more popular and we will get another reunion and Daniel new love of his life.
But if they were told to write for J/D as the rooting couple then why did NBC release publicity pics of Jack/Jennifer but none of Dan/Jen? Also every J/J/D promo ended with a shot of Jack with Jen and then a shot of Daniel alone. Both of those seemed to indicate that Jack and Jennifer were the main couple. I think the problem is they overestimated Dannifer's popularity. I think I remember Missy saying in an interview that Daniel was the first love interest for Jennifer to match Jack in terms of popularity. Clearly, she was mistaken.
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I don't really think Daniel was endgame for KC...I think this whole thing is supposed to be their version of angst for J&J. They just went about it in such a stupid nonsensical way.

If we're to believe what KC says...he also named J&J as one of the key couples of the show and he named them together...Daniel was not name period. There were also quite a few mini clips of old J&J pivotal moments. And I still have faith that MA knows the endgame and he wouldn't have returned for a destruction of the couple that put him on the map. I think MR is doing what she's told to do and answering what she's supposed to answer. There are some old articles posted over on the D2D board where she makes the same kind of claims for the Emilio/Jack triangle as she does for this one...Jennifer is confused, she loves them both, blah blah blah. I just think as far as she's concerned that's what this storyline is and she doesn't analyze it further.
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I was intrigued by Jane's hypothesis, because it does seem to make several of the puzzle pieces fit. Then again, Lana and MHE make excellent counterpoints. Ack! Nothing about this situation makes any sense!

All I know is that it does seem like something happened after the cabin scenes that diverged from both our expectations and from any kind of logical sense of storytelling. Up until the cabin scenes, we saw a recognizable version of Jennifer. Yes, she was angry and upset -- and yes, agreeing to date both men was lame -- but she showed some semblance of compassion and feeling toward Jack in the cookie date and other scenes. We were expecting a slow build and we were willing to wait. Then came the cabin scenes, and we were sure that now Jennifer's true compassionate nature would take over, that she would show how truly appalled she was at how wrong she'd been about her husband, and that she would reach out to Jack and insist on being there for him.

Instead, we got the opposite. We got that scene where she turned on him. She took back everything she'd said in the cabin (or downplayed it). She was cold and told him to fix himself and that she wanted to be with someone who's happy. She ran toward Daniel and seemed totally desperate to be with him. In short, that's when she completely turned into someone who was unrecognizable. It only got worse with subsequent scenes culminating in the tree-trimming episode and the mistletoe kiss.

So what happened? Somehow, the story, which started out to be pretty stupid to start with, got infinitely worse. I just can't fathom what the writers were thinking. But there's nothing about this that makes sense or that can be called in any way entertaining.

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Jan 23 2012, 10:10 AM
I don't really think Daniel was endgame for KC...I think this whole thing is supposed to be their version of angst for J&J. They just went about it in such a stupid nonsensical way.

If we're to believe what KC says...he also named J&J as one of the key couples of the show and he named them together...Daniel was not name period. There were also quite a few mini clips of old J&J pivotal moments. And I still have faith that MA knows the endgame and he wouldn't have returned for a destruction of the couple that put him on the map. I think MR is doing what she's told to do and answering what she's supposed to answer. There are some old articles posted over on the D2D board where she makes the same kind of claims for the Emilio/Jack triangle as she does for this one...Jennifer is confused, she loves them both, blah blah blah. I just think as far as she's concerned that's what this storyline is and she doesn't analyze it further.
I really have no idea what is going on in Burbank. I like the theories but here is my issue. If JnJ were end game and this was all a way to sort of destroy them before slowly rebuilding them then the current re-writes don't make a lot of sense because the fan backlash would have actually been in step with what they were going for. Now one can argue they underestimated the degree of backlash but still. On the other hand if Dannifer were the rooting couple again re-writes make no sense because they want Dannifer in love and let me tell you after watching Monday's :puke: inducing goodbye MR is playing hard her love for Dannifer on screen as much as she is selling it off screen. Again one can argue the re-writes are to fix Jennifer and save her from the tidal wave of backlash but if you want to sever a super couple you know that the partner leaving the duo will have to deal with a certain amount of outrage.

The only thing I can assume is that no matter what couple they are shooting for the re-writes are to fix Jennifer only which means if they want Dannifer we are going to get Jack messing up on an even grander scale then Jennifer has lately, this of course would only make the problem worse but they don't seem that smart over there. The second option is that JnJ are the rooting couple and the re-writes are to either let Jennifer fall from grace or to affix some sort of medical condition or trauma to her past to explain her behavior. I personally would like Jennifer to fall from grace but it could be interesting to have had something happen in London but if they do this they need to be careful what they use and flashbacks will be necessary.
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Jan 22 2012, 03:14 PM
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Jan 22 2012, 12:14 PM
The article in SOW is worse...

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Um ... WHAT?? What is this junk about Jen-Jen chasing him down at the airport? WTF is going on with Days? Are they taping stuff and then changing it at the last minute? Not that I'm complaining, the thought of having this scenario actually happen makes me want to spork my eyes out. Something strange is going on here because the spoilers I've been reading the last few weeks don't jibe with what is happening onscreen. The only thing that is consistent is MR's pimping of Dannifer as some epic love story. Gee, I thought it was two scorned whiners on the rebound with each other as opposed to a great romance. :drunk:
Remember that MR specifically said something about rewrites for her story. Meaning, it's not inconceivable that they would edit stuff out that makes Dannifer the 'root for couple' so that when the rewrites start appearing it would make more sense. Obviously her chasing him down in the airport would be something that would make people believe that she does love him over Jack and hopefully with it being cut then we have some hope no?
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niki51586
Jan 23 2012, 10:25 AM
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Jan 23 2012, 10:10 AM
I don't really think Daniel was endgame for KC...I think this whole thing is supposed to be their version of angst for J&J. They just went about it in such a stupid nonsensical way.

If we're to believe what KC says...he also named J&J as one of the key couples of the show and he named them together...Daniel was not name period. There were also quite a few mini clips of old J&J pivotal moments. And I still have faith that MA knows the endgame and he wouldn't have returned for a destruction of the couple that put him on the map. I think MR is doing what she's told to do and answering what she's supposed to answer. There are some old articles posted over on the D2D board where she makes the same kind of claims for the Emilio/Jack triangle as she does for this one...Jennifer is confused, she loves them both, blah blah blah. I just think as far as she's concerned that's what this storyline is and she doesn't analyze it further.
I really have no idea what is going on in Burbank. I like the theories but here is my issue. If JnJ were end game and this was all a way to sort of destroy them before slowly rebuilding them then the current re-writes don't make a lot of sense because the fan backlash would have actually been in step with what they were going for. Now one can argue they underestimated the degree of backlash but still. On the other hand if Dannifer were the rooting couple again re-writes make no sense because they want Dannifer in love and let me tell you after watching Monday's :puke: inducing goodbye MR is playing hard her love for Dannifer on screen as much as she is selling it off screen. Again one can argue the re-writes are to fix Jennifer and save her from the tidal wave of backlash but if you want to sever a super couple you know that the partner leaving the duo will have to deal with a certain amount of outrage.

The only thing I can assume is that no matter what couple they are shooting for the re-writes are to fix Jennifer only which means if they want Dannifer we are going to get Jack messing up on an even grander scale then Jennifer has lately, this of course would only make the problem worse but they don't seem that smart over there. The second option is that JnJ are the rooting couple and the re-writes are to either let Jennifer fall from grace or to affix some sort of medical condition or trauma to her past to explain her behavior. I personally would like Jennifer to fall from grace but it could be interesting to have had something happen in London but if they do this they need to be careful what they use and flashbacks will be necessary.
With the election occurring during Feb Sweeps, Abe ultimately loosing to EJ could be the catalyst for Jennifer's fall.
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Jan 23 2012, 10:33 AM
niki51586
Jan 23 2012, 10:25 AM
MyHappyEnding
Jan 23 2012, 10:10 AM
I don't really think Daniel was endgame for KC...I think this whole thing is supposed to be their version of angst for J&J. They just went about it in such a stupid nonsensical way.

If we're to believe what KC says...he also named J&J as one of the key couples of the show and he named them together...Daniel was not name period. There were also quite a few mini clips of old J&J pivotal moments. And I still have faith that MA knows the endgame and he wouldn't have returned for a destruction of the couple that put him on the map. I think MR is doing what she's told to do and answering what she's supposed to answer. There are some old articles posted over on the D2D board where she makes the same kind of claims for the Emilio/Jack triangle as she does for this one...Jennifer is confused, she loves them both, blah blah blah. I just think as far as she's concerned that's what this storyline is and she doesn't analyze it further.
I really have no idea what is going on in Burbank. I like the theories but here is my issue. If JnJ were end game and this was all a way to sort of destroy them before slowly rebuilding them then the current re-writes don't make a lot of sense because the fan backlash would have actually been in step with what they were going for. Now one can argue they underestimated the degree of backlash but still. On the other hand if Dannifer were the rooting couple again re-writes make no sense because they want Dannifer in love and let me tell you after watching Monday's :puke: inducing goodbye MR is playing hard her love for Dannifer on screen as much as she is selling it off screen. Again one can argue the re-writes are to fix Jennifer and save her from the tidal wave of backlash but if you want to sever a super couple you know that the partner leaving the duo will have to deal with a certain amount of outrage.

The only thing I can assume is that no matter what couple they are shooting for the re-writes are to fix Jennifer only which means if they want Dannifer we are going to get Jack messing up on an even grander scale then Jennifer has lately, this of course would only make the problem worse but they don't seem that smart over there. The second option is that JnJ are the rooting couple and the re-writes are to either let Jennifer fall from grace or to affix some sort of medical condition or trauma to her past to explain her behavior. I personally would like Jennifer to fall from grace but it could be interesting to have had something happen in London but if they do this they need to be careful what they use and flashbacks will be necessary.
With the election occurring during Feb Sweeps, Abe ultimately loosing to EJ could be the catalyst for Jennifer's fall.
It would also be interesting to have Abe win and then have Jennifer work for him unfortunately they both found it a little to easy to win with underhanded tactics and continue their journey into the darkness. Jennifer is already totally unrecognizable might as well take it all the way and turn her a little dark. They can build it up for a bit then have her hit the wall and fall. Jack did tell her she wasn't acting like herself the other day and that politics can do that to a person.
If Abe loses exactly what do you do with Abe, Lexie and Jennifer?
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I think they had to make it look like Jennifer was really in love with Daniel. Anyone wih eyes and ears can see that when they are on their game there is no competition for J&J. So make Jennifer pull away from Jack and send her desperately running to Daniel because that is the only way anyone would believe she would actually choose Daniel over Jack. Minimalize what she shared with Jack (she has kids and a history with him) and make it look like what she shares with Daniel is epic. Problem is they took it too far and now people are turning against Jennifer. And no one gives a shit who she chooses.
Edited by MyHappyEnding, Jan 23 2012, 10:45 AM.
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annie21
Jan 23 2012, 10:24 AM
I was intrigued by Jane's hypothesis, because it does seem to make several of the puzzle pieces fit. Then again, Lana and MHE make excellent counterpoints. Ack! Nothing about this situation makes any sense!

All I know is that it does seem like something happened after the cabin scenes that diverged from both our expectations and from any kind of logical sense of storytelling. Up until the cabin scenes, we saw a recognizable version of Jennifer. Yes, she was angry and upset -- and yes, agreeing to date both men was lame -- but she showed some semblance of compassion and feeling toward Jack in the cookie date and other scenes. We were expecting a slow build and we were willing to wait. Then came the cabin scenes, and we were sure that now Jennifer's true compassionate nature would take over, that she would show how truly appalled she was at how wrong she'd been about her husband, and that she would reach out to Jack and insist on being there for him.

Instead, we got the opposite. We got that scene where she turned on him. She took back everything she'd said in the cabin (or downplayed it). She was cold and told him to fix himself and that she wanted to be with someone who's happy. She ran toward Daniel and seemed totally desperate to be with him. In short, that's when she completely turned into someone who was unrecognizable. It only got worse with subsequent scenes culminating in the tree-trimming episode and the mistletoe kiss.

So what happened? Somehow, the story, which started out to be pretty stupid to start with, got infinitely worse. I just can't fathom what the writers were thinking. But there's nothing about this that makes sense or that can be called in any way entertaining.

I agree that the whole storyline went off the rails, post-cabin. To me, the natural outcome of Jennifer finding out about Jack's PTSD would have been her showing more compassion and understanding towards him. Maybe there wouldn't or shouldn't have been an insta-reunion at that point, but the ground would been laid, believably, for them to work their way back towards each other. I even thought Jennifer might call a halt to the dating game, recognizing that helping the father of her children was more important. I expected her to be involved in his recovery, or at least take a proactive stance in making sure he got the help he needed.

I never expected what we actually got: Jennifer becoming verbally and emotionally abusive towards Jack and denying everything she'd told him in the cabin--and all to hang on to her boyfriend of a few months. I didn't just hate her "happy man" tirade, I started hating her from that moment on as well. I saw no kindness, compassion, or love towards the man who'd shared her life for 20 years--this Jennifer is all about Daniel, Daniel, Daniel. And seeing her plastered all over him while Jack underwent his first grueling therapy session, and then inviting him to the family tree-trimming instead of Jack just cemented my loathing of her. And if Jack had been as cavalier about Jennifer's rape as she's being about his PTSD, no one would have ever wanted them together back in the day.

I suspect TPTB underestimated viewers' sympathy towards Jack and overestimated theirs towards Jennifer. Maybe they thought, as MR does, that women would or should identify with Jennifer and would be A-OK with her attitude. But by and large, I'd say most of the audience doesn't enjoy watching characters who are mean, unless they're the designated villains. Jennifer's supposed to be a heroine, kind-hearted and sympathetic. So when she turns nasty, spiteful, and cold towards someone she claims to love, knowing that someone has been to hell and back--honestly, how can the audience support her or her behavior?

Jennifer is in a hole right now, and the hole is only getting bigger. I honestly think it may take a complete reset of the character to make her even tolerable again. Someone suggested in an earlier post that this storyline should be Jennifer's bad dream, and when she wakes up, it's the morning after Jack's episode in the cabin. Not a bad idea, but I've got a counter-suggestion: give her amnesia, and have her lose all memory of the past year and a half. No heart surgery, no affair with Daniel, no divorce, no rage over Jack's supposed walkabout--just relief that he's there in Salem, with her and her daughter. And as she recovers and her friends and family gradually fill her in on the last year, she is appalled by her behavior and determined not to repeat her mistakes of 2011.
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niki51586
Jan 23 2012, 10:40 AM
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Jan 23 2012, 10:33 AM
niki51586
Jan 23 2012, 10:25 AM
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Jan 23 2012, 10:10 AM
I don't really think Daniel was endgame for KC...I think this whole thing is supposed to be their version of angst for J&J. They just went about it in such a stupid nonsensical way.

If we're to believe what KC says...he also named J&J as one of the key couples of the show and he named them together...Daniel was not name period. There were also quite a few mini clips of old J&J pivotal moments. And I still have faith that MA knows the endgame and he wouldn't have returned for a destruction of the couple that put him on the map. I think MR is doing what she's told to do and answering what she's supposed to answer. There are some old articles posted over on the D2D board where she makes the same kind of claims for the Emilio/Jack triangle as she does for this one...Jennifer is confused, she loves them both, blah blah blah. I just think as far as she's concerned that's what this storyline is and she doesn't analyze it further.
I really have no idea what is going on in Burbank. I like the theories but here is my issue. If JnJ were end game and this was all a way to sort of destroy them before slowly rebuilding them then the current re-writes don't make a lot of sense because the fan backlash would have actually been in step with what they were going for. Now one can argue they underestimated the degree of backlash but still. On the other hand if Dannifer were the rooting couple again re-writes make no sense because they want Dannifer in love and let me tell you after watching Monday's :puke: inducing goodbye MR is playing hard her love for Dannifer on screen as much as she is selling it off screen. Again one can argue the re-writes are to fix Jennifer and save her from the tidal wave of backlash but if you want to sever a super couple you know that the partner leaving the duo will have to deal with a certain amount of outrage.

The only thing I can assume is that no matter what couple they are shooting for the re-writes are to fix Jennifer only which means if they want Dannifer we are going to get Jack messing up on an even grander scale then Jennifer has lately, this of course would only make the problem worse but they don't seem that smart over there. The second option is that JnJ are the rooting couple and the re-writes are to either let Jennifer fall from grace or to affix some sort of medical condition or trauma to her past to explain her behavior. I personally would like Jennifer to fall from grace but it could be interesting to have had something happen in London but if they do this they need to be careful what they use and flashbacks will be necessary.
With the election occurring during Feb Sweeps, Abe ultimately loosing to EJ could be the catalyst for Jennifer's fall.
It would also be interesting to have Abe win and then have Jennifer work for him unfortunately they both found it a little to easy to win with underhanded tactics and continue their journey into the darkness. Jennifer is already totally unrecognizable might as well take it all the way and turn her a little dark. They can build it up for a bit then have her hit the wall and fall. Jack did tell her she wasn't acting like herself the other day and that politics can do that to a person.
If Abe loses exactly what do you do with Abe, Lexie and Jennifer?
Well, right now, Lexie doesn't know about Abe playing dirty. So if he loses because of it, she'll be shocked and appalled--the Carver marriage may end up on the rocks. And Jennifer would lose her job, her halo, and the town's good opinion of her. She'd be pilloried in the media, and possibly face criminal charges. The people of Salem might very well blame her for Abe losing and EJ becoming mayor. Even her own family would be disappointed and upset with her.

Alternate scenario: Abe wins, but doesn't get to enjoy his victory because his and Jennifer's dirty tactics are exposed shortly after. So the results get thrown out and everything hits the fan. There may have to be another election, which EJ or a third candidate wins. Salem is destabilized, Abe and Jennifer get the blame, and the consequences I mentioned in the first paragraph still ensue.
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That scenario has possibilities.

As for your point about Jennifer being mean and nasty, I would just add that not only was she depicted as mean and nasty, but that we were TOLD that we should feel sympathy for her, that it was all about her and her feelings and that she was justified in her reactions. In addition to what you outlined, that is part of where the disconnect with the audience happened -- and a main eason why we were so turned off. On so many aspects of this story, they were showing one thing and calling it another. Trouble is, no one has been buying any of it.

ETA: Regarding the dirty politics, Abe and Jennifer's crime is more than just switching debate questions. That's bad, but pretty minor. The writers should ramp it the stakes and make them do something worse than that. Then the fall afterwards would be more dramatic and more clearly deserved.

Switching debate questions sounds like high school.

Edited by annie21, Jan 23 2012, 11:19 AM.
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Jan 23 2012, 11:02 AM
annie21
Jan 23 2012, 10:24 AM
I was intrigued by Jane's hypothesis, because it does seem to make several of the puzzle pieces fit. Then again, Lana and MHE make excellent counterpoints. Ack! Nothing about this situation makes any sense!

All I know is that it does seem like something happened after the cabin scenes that diverged from both our expectations and from any kind of logical sense of storytelling. Up until the cabin scenes, we saw a recognizable version of Jennifer. Yes, she was angry and upset -- and yes, agreeing to date both men was lame -- but she showed some semblance of compassion and feeling toward Jack in the cookie date and other scenes. We were expecting a slow build and we were willing to wait. Then came the cabin scenes, and we were sure that now Jennifer's true compassionate nature would take over, that she would show how truly appalled she was at how wrong she'd been about her husband, and that she would reach out to Jack and insist on being there for him.

Instead, we got the opposite. We got that scene where she turned on him. She took back everything she'd said in the cabin (or downplayed it). She was cold and told him to fix himself and that she wanted to be with someone who's happy. She ran toward Daniel and seemed totally desperate to be with him. In short, that's when she completely turned into someone who was unrecognizable. It only got worse with subsequent scenes culminating in the tree-trimming episode and the mistletoe kiss.

So what happened? Somehow, the story, which started out to be pretty stupid to start with, got infinitely worse. I just can't fathom what the writers were thinking. But there's nothing about this that makes sense or that can be called in any way entertaining.

I agree that the whole storyline went off the rails, post-cabin. To me, the natural outcome of Jennifer finding out about Jack's PTSD would have been her showing more compassion and understanding towards him. Maybe there wouldn't or shouldn't have been an insta-reunion at that point, but the ground would been laid, believably, for them to work their way back towards each other. I even thought Jennifer might call a halt to the dating game, recognizing that helping the father of her children was more important. I expected her to be involved in his recovery, or at least take a proactive stance in making sure he got the help he needed.

I never expected what we actually got: Jennifer becoming verbally and emotionally abusive towards Jack and denying everything she'd told him in the cabin--and all to hang on to her boyfriend of a few months. I didn't just hate her "happy man" tirade, I started hating her from that moment on as well. I saw no kindness, compassion, or love towards the man who'd shared her life for 20 years--this Jennifer is all about Daniel, Daniel, Daniel. And seeing her plastered all over him while Jack underwent his first grueling therapy session, and then inviting him to the family tree-trimming instead of Jack just cemented my loathing of her. And if Jack had been as cavalier about Jennifer's rape as she's being about his PTSD, no one would have ever wanted them together back in the day.

I suspect TPTB underestimated viewers' sympathy towards Jack and overestimated theirs towards Jennifer. Maybe they thought, as MR does, that women would or should identify with Jennifer and would be A-OK with her attitude. But by and large, I'd say most of the audience doesn't enjoy watching characters who are mean, unless they're the designated villains. Jennifer's supposed to be a heroine, kind-hearted and sympathetic. So when she turns nasty, spiteful, and cold towards someone she claims to love, knowing that someone has been to hell and back--honestly, how can the audience support her or her behavior?

Jennifer is in a hole right now, and the hole is only getting bigger. I honestly think it may take a complete reset of the character to make her even tolerable again. Someone suggested in an earlier post that this storyline should be Jennifer's bad dream, and when she wakes up, it's the morning after Jack's episode in the cabin. Not a bad idea, but I've got a counter-suggestion: give her amnesia, and have her lose all memory of the past year and a half. No heart surgery, no affair with Daniel, no divorce, no rage over Jack's supposed walkabout--just relief that he's there in Salem, with her and her daughter. And as she recovers and her friends and family gradually fill her in on the last year, she is appalled by her behavior and determined not to repeat her mistakes of 2011.
I would hate to suffer through this only to have it be a dream. Jennifer is acting like a witch and needs to face the consequences of that. If anyone is getting amnesia I rather it is Jack and he can remember his life only up to any point before they started working together. I rather he just know Jennifer as Mike's little sister, Frankie's little girlfriend or Melissa's little cousin. Then she can get a taste of what it's like to have Jack physically present but not have him care one iota about her or what she does or how she feels. I think if played right that would be the ultimate and best punishment for her character. Apparently they only have a past so take it away and see what that does to her present and future. I always thought that the reason Jennifer moves on so quickly (other than her fear of being alone) is because she knows Jack will always be there in some way loving her and waiting for her. I highly doubt a future with any man will be the least bit appealing if Jack can't remember the great love they once shared and that he is so supposed to carry around like some lucky honor for the rest of his days.
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Tracking him down at the airport? Talk about a bunch of melodramatic crap.
Do these writers think they're recreating Casablanca??

"Here's looking at you, Jen-Jen ". :puke:
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I was intrigued by Jane's hypothesis, because it does seem to make several of the puzzle pieces fit. Then again, Lana and MHE make excellent counterpoints. Ack! Nothing about this situation makes any sense!

All I know is that it does seem like something happened after the cabin scenes that diverged from both our expectations and from any kind of logical sense of storytelling. Up until the cabin scenes, we saw a recognizable version of Jennifer. Yes, she was angry and upset -- and yes, agreeing to date both men was lame -- but she showed some semblance of compassion and feeling toward Jack in the cookie date and other scenes. We were expecting a slow build and we were willing to wait. Then came the cabin scenes, and we were sure that now Jennifer's true compassionate nature would take over, that she would show how truly appalled she was at how wrong she'd been about her husband, and that she would reach out to Jack and insist on being there for him.

Instead, we got the opposite. We got that scene where she turned on him. She took back everything she'd said in the cabin (or downplayed it). She was cold and told him to fix himself and that she wanted to be with someone who's happy. She ran toward Daniel and seemed totally desperate to be with him. In short, that's when she completely turned into someone who was unrecognizable. It only got worse with subsequent scenes culminating in the tree-trimming episode and the mistletoe kiss.

So what happened? Somehow, the story, which started out to be pretty stupid to start with, got infinitely worse. I just can't fathom what the writers were thinking. But there's nothing about this that makes sense or that can be called in any way entertaining.

I agree that the whole storyline went off the rails, post-cabin. To me, the natural outcome of Jennifer finding out about Jack's PTSD would have been her showing more compassion and understanding towards him. Maybe there wouldn't or shouldn't have been an insta-reunion at that point, but the ground would been laid, believably, for them to work their way back towards each other. I even thought Jennifer might call a halt to the dating game, recognizing that helping the father of her children was more important. I expected her to be involved in his recovery, or at least take a proactive stance in making sure he got the help he needed.

I never expected what we actually got: Jennifer becoming verbally and emotionally abusive towards Jack and denying everything she'd told him in the cabin--and all to hang on to her boyfriend of a few months. I didn't just hate her "happy man" tirade, I started hating her from that moment on as well. I saw no kindness, compassion, or love towards the man who'd shared her life for 20 years--this Jennifer is all about Daniel, Daniel, Daniel. And seeing her plastered all over him while Jack underwent his first grueling therapy session, and then inviting him to the family tree-trimming instead of Jack just cemented my loathing of her. And if Jack had been as cavalier about Jennifer's rape as she's being about his PTSD, no one would have ever wanted them together back in the day.

I suspect TPTB underestimated viewers' sympathy towards Jack and overestimated theirs towards Jennifer. Maybe they thought, as MR does, that women would or should identify with Jennifer and would be A-OK with her attitude. But by and large, I'd say most of the audience doesn't enjoy watching characters who are mean, unless they're the designated villains. Jennifer's supposed to be a heroine, kind-hearted and sympathetic. So when she turns nasty, spiteful, and cold towards someone she claims to love, knowing that someone has been to hell and back--honestly, how can the audience support her or her behavior?

Jennifer is in a hole right now, and the hole is only getting bigger. I honestly think it may take a complete reset of the character to make her even tolerable again. Someone suggested in an earlier post that this storyline should be Jennifer's bad dream, and when she wakes up, it's the morning after Jack's episode in the cabin. Not a bad idea, but I've got a counter-suggestion: give her amnesia, and have her lose all memory of the past year and a half. No heart surgery, no affair with Daniel, no divorce, no rage over Jack's supposed walkabout--just relief that he's there in Salem, with her and her daughter. And as she recovers and her friends and family gradually fill her in on the last year, she is appalled by her behavior and determined not to repeat her mistakes of 2011.
I would hate to suffer through this only to have it be a dream. Jennifer is acting like a witch and needs to face the consequences of that. If anyone is getting amnesia I rather it is Jack and he can remember his life only up to any point before they started working together. I rather he just know Jennifer as Mike's little sister, Frankie's little girlfriend or Melissa's little cousin. Then she can get a taste of what it's like to have Jack physically present but not have him care one iota about her or what she does or how she feels. I think if played right that would be the ultimate and best punishment for her character. Apparently they only have a past so take it away and see what that does to her present and future. I always thought that the reason Jennifer moves on so quickly (other than her fear of being alone) is because she knows Jack will always be there in some way loving her and waiting for her. I highly doubt a future with any man will be the least bit appealing if Jack can't remember the great love they once shared and that he is so supposed to carry around like some lucky honor for the rest of his days.
I agree, Jennifer need to be held accountable for *her* mistakes. She acts like Jack is the only one to blame. It's time Salem saw Jennifer for who she really is, flaws and all. Back when they first agreed to the stupid dating game Jennifer accused Jack of thinking he was the only man she could ever love. But in fact, it's the opposite. She thinks Jack will never love anyone but her. So she keeps running to other men because she wants a "happy" and "easy" relationship. And she knows Jack will wait for her.

It seems though that she may be starting to understand just how unrealistic her expectations are. Her conversation with Hope last week was a step in the right direction for me. But ultimately what needs to happen is for Jack to severe all emotional ties with Jennifer. He doesn't need amnesia to do that. Matt confirmed that Jack has been fighting to keep his emotions under control. And you can bet one of those emotions is anger. All it takes is for Jack to finally snap and let those emotions out. I would like to see Jack's PTSD featured heavily during February sweeps. Maybe see a few more therapy sessions with Marlena. See him actually struggling with his emotions while Jennifer is too busy with the election and pining for Dan. Then when St. Daniel returns to Salem have Jack witness his "tearful" reunion with Jennifer. Let that be the straw that broke the camel's back. I would love to see Jack snap at both of them. But mostly at Jennifer. Tell her how much of a hypocrite and a coward she really is. Then tell Jennifer that they are done. He wants nothing to do with her and walk away without looking back.

And while Jack's at it, I want him to hold Adrienne accountable for pimping Daniel instead of trying to find her brother. Not to mention the last time he saw his sister she was telling he was an ass and to "talk to someone". She sounded like Jennifer, trying to pawn Jack's problems onto someone else while Justin stood there smiling like Jack just got back from an extended vacation. This way we get Jack, Justin and Adrienne on our screens. It's past time that Jack's family was involved in his storyline.
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I am very sorry for making the typing mistake saying MARRIAGE instead of relationship. That was totally MY fault and Second Chances has no fault in this. It was an error made by me typing lots of pages out to everyone as quickly as I could.

This week I will let better typist bring the spoilers here. Sorry for the confusion. :shrug:
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^A bit off-topic but I love your Lumi Banner! :wub: :wub:
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I am very sorry for making the typing mistake saying MARRIAGE instead of relationship. That was totally MY fault and Second Chances has no fault in this. It was an error made by me typing lots of pages out to everyone as quickly as I could.

This week I will let better typist bring the spoilers here. Sorry for the confusion. :shrug:
No problem Vicky...I really appreciate that you've found a grocery store that has the new issue on Thursday afternoon ...whatever you do, don't stop posting the spoilers...okay!

Oh and I have to ask Tink to make me a new Lumi banner....but I'm waiting for scene pics...come on late February, get here already! Love your banner BTW!
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I was intrigued by Jane's hypothesis, because it does seem to make several of the puzzle pieces fit. Then again, Lana and MHE make excellent counterpoints. Ack! Nothing about this situation makes any sense!

All I know is that it does seem like something happened after the cabin scenes that diverged from both our expectations and from any kind of logical sense of storytelling. Up until the cabin scenes, we saw a recognizable version of Jennifer. Yes, she was angry and upset -- and yes, agreeing to date both men was lame -- but she showed some semblance of compassion and feeling toward Jack in the cookie date and other scenes. We were expecting a slow build and we were willing to wait. Then came the cabin scenes, and we were sure that now Jennifer's true compassionate nature would take over, that she would show how truly appalled she was at how wrong she'd been about her husband, and that she would reach out to Jack and insist on being there for him.

Instead, we got the opposite. We got that scene where she turned on him. She took back everything she'd said in the cabin (or downplayed it). She was cold and told him to fix himself and that she wanted to be with someone who's happy. She ran toward Daniel and seemed totally desperate to be with him. In short, that's when she completely turned into someone who was unrecognizable. It only got worse with subsequent scenes culminating in the tree-trimming episode and the mistletoe kiss.

So what happened? Somehow, the story, which started out to be pretty stupid to start with, got infinitely worse. I just can't fathom what the writers were thinking. But there's nothing about this that makes sense or that can be called in any way entertaining.

I agree that the whole storyline went off the rails, post-cabin. To me, the natural outcome of Jennifer finding out about Jack's PTSD would have been her showing more compassion and understanding towards him. Maybe there wouldn't or shouldn't have been an insta-reunion at that point, but the ground would been laid, believably, for them to work their way back towards each other. I even thought Jennifer might call a halt to the dating game, recognizing that helping the father of her children was more important. I expected her to be involved in his recovery, or at least take a proactive stance in making sure he got the help he needed.

I never expected what we actually got: Jennifer becoming verbally and emotionally abusive towards Jack and denying everything she'd told him in the cabin--and all to hang on to her boyfriend of a few months. I didn't just hate her "happy man" tirade, I started hating her from that moment on as well. I saw no kindness, compassion, or love towards the man who'd shared her life for 20 years--this Jennifer is all about Daniel, Daniel, Daniel. And seeing her plastered all over him while Jack underwent his first grueling therapy session, and then inviting him to the family tree-trimming instead of Jack just cemented my loathing of her. And if Jack had been as cavalier about Jennifer's rape as she's being about his PTSD, no one would have ever wanted them together back in the day.

I suspect TPTB underestimated viewers' sympathy towards Jack and overestimated theirs towards Jennifer. Maybe they thought, as MR does, that women would or should identify with Jennifer and would be A-OK with her attitude. But by and large, I'd say most of the audience doesn't enjoy watching characters who are mean, unless they're the designated villains. Jennifer's supposed to be a heroine, kind-hearted and sympathetic. So when she turns nasty, spiteful, and cold towards someone she claims to love, knowing that someone has been to hell and back--honestly, how can the audience support her or her behavior?

Jennifer is in a hole right now, and the hole is only getting bigger. I honestly think it may take a complete reset of the character to make her even tolerable again. Someone suggested in an earlier post that this storyline should be Jennifer's bad dream, and when she wakes up, it's the morning after Jack's episode in the cabin. Not a bad idea, but I've got a counter-suggestion: give her amnesia, and have her lose all memory of the past year and a half. No heart surgery, no affair with Daniel, no divorce, no rage over Jack's supposed walkabout--just relief that he's there in Salem, with her and her daughter. And as she recovers and her friends and family gradually fill her in on the last year, she is appalled by her behavior and determined not to repeat her mistakes of 2011.
I would hate to suffer through this only to have it be a dream. Jennifer is acting like a witch and needs to face the consequences of that. If anyone is getting amnesia I rather it is Jack and he can remember his life only up to any point before they started working together. I rather he just know Jennifer as Mike's little sister, Frankie's little girlfriend or Melissa's little cousin. Then she can get a taste of what it's like to have Jack physically present but not have him care one iota about her or what she does or how she feels. I think if played right that would be the ultimate and best punishment for her character. Apparently they only have a past so take it away and see what that does to her present and future. I always thought that the reason Jennifer moves on so quickly (other than her fear of being alone) is because she knows Jack will always be there in some way loving her and waiting for her. I highly doubt a future with any man will be the least bit appealing if Jack can't remember the great love they once shared and that he is so supposed to carry around like some lucky honor for the rest of his days.
I agree, Jennifer need to be held accountable for *her* mistakes. She acts like Jack is the only one to blame. It's time Salem saw Jennifer for who she really is, flaws and all. Back when they first agreed to the stupid dating game Jennifer accused Jack of thinking he was the only man she could ever love. But in fact, it's the opposite. She thinks Jack will never love anyone but her. So she keeps running to other men because she wants a "happy" and "easy" relationship. And she knows Jack will wait for her.

It seems though that she may be starting to understand just how unrealistic her expectations are. Her conversation with Hope last week was a step in the right direction for me. But ultimately what needs to happen is for Jack to severe all emotional ties with Jennifer. He doesn't need amnesia to do that. Matt confirmed that Jack has been fighting to keep his emotions under control. And you can bet one of those emotions is anger. All it takes is for Jack to finally snap and let those emotions out. I would like to see Jack's PTSD featured heavily during February sweeps. Maybe see a few more therapy sessions with Marlena. See him actually struggling with his emotions while Jennifer is too busy with the election and pining for Dan. Then when St. Daniel returns to Salem have Jack witness his "tearful" reunion with Jennifer. Let that be the straw that broke the camel's back. I would love to see Jack snap at both of them. But mostly at Jennifer. Tell her how much of a hypocrite and a coward she really is. Then tell Jennifer that they are done. He wants nothing to do with her and walk away without looking back.

And while Jack's at it, I want him to hold Adrienne accountable for pimping Daniel instead of trying to find her brother. Not to mention the last time he saw his sister she was telling he was an ass and to "talk to someone". She sounded like Jennifer, trying to pawn Jack's problems onto someone else while Justin stood there smiling like Jack just got back from an extended vacation. This way we get Jack, Justin and Adrienne on our screens. It's past time that Jack's family was involved in his storyline.
I'd love to see Jack go off on Jennifer, but I'd rather it had little or nothing to do with Daniel, specifically. He's very generic--just the latest in a string of guys Jennifer throws in Jack's face whenever she feels like she's not getting enough attention from him. In the long run, Daniel doesn't matter that much. And Jack ranting to Jennifer and Daniel about their relationship just makes him look like a jealous maniac. The issues between J & J go much deeper than her Rebound Guy du jour.

But Jennifer's lack of faith, her emotional dishonesty, her self-absorption, her tendency to cut and run when the going gets tough, her need to have Jack continually compete for her favors with some other man, her refusal to stand by him during the darkest time of his life, her unwillingness to accept her share of responsibility for the problems in their marriage--all of those are fair game for the wrath of Deveraux. I want him to look her straight in the eye and tell her, "You let me down. You failed me when I needed you most, and I don't know if I can forgive you for that." And then walk away, leaving her feeling guilty and ashamed.
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