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SOD: Daniel Leaves Jennifer; 1/31/12 issue
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Topic Started: Jan 19 2012, 03:10 PM (19,031 Views)
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LanaluvsBroe, I really like this scenario. It make the most sense for the SL at this point. Although, it might be difficult to watch, it presents the most ratiional and angsty potentional for this trio, something that has been long over do. I do want JnJ as game, but definitely want Jennifer held accountable and a long road to their reunion. Our new Jack, has been far too patient and understanding with the current situation. Jack was bound to snap at some point and I think TPTB were trying to hold until the next sweeps. I do think they know what value MA has and will finally let him shine, sans Jennifer, so fans can enjoy it.
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Jan 23 2012, 12:54 PM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepher from that moment on as well. I saw no kindness, compassion, or love towards the man who'd shared her life for 20 years--this Jennifer is all about Daniel, Daniel, Daniel. And seeing her plastered all over him while Jack underwent his first grueling therapy session, and then inviting him to the family tree-trimming instead of Jack just cemented my loathing of her. And if Jack had been as cavalier about Jennifer's rape as she's being about his PTSD, no one would have ever wanted them together back in the day.
I suspect TPTB underestimated viewers' sympathy towards Jack and overestimated theirs towards Jennifer. Maybe they thought, as MR does, that women would or should identify with Jennifer and would be A-OK with her attitude. But by and large, I'd say most of the audience doesn't enjoy watching characters who are mean, unless they're the designated villains. Jennifer's supposed to be a heroine, kind-hearted and sympathetic. So when she turns nasty, spiteful, and cold towards someone she claims to love, knowing that someone has been to hell and back--honestly, how can the audience support her or her behavior?
Jennifer is in a hole right now, and the hole is only getting bigger. I honestly think it may take a complete reset of the character to make her even tolerable again. Someone suggested in an earlier post that this storyline should be Jennifer's bad dream, and when she wakes up, it's the morning after Jack's episode in the cabin. Not a bad idea, but I've got a counter-suggestion: give her amnesia, and have her lose all memory of the past year and a half. No heart surgery, no affair with Daniel, no divorce, no rage over Jack's supposed walkabout--just relief that he's there in Salem, with her and her daughter. And as she recovers and her friends and family gradually fill her in on the last year, she is appalled by her behavior and determined not to repeat her mistakes of 2011.
I would hate to suffer through this only to have it be a dream. Jennifer is acting like a witch and needs to face the consequences of that. If anyone is getting amnesia I rather it is Jack and he can remember his life only up to any point before they started working together. I rather he just know Jennifer as Mike's little sister, Frankie's little girlfriend or Melissa's little cousin. Then she can get a taste of what it's like to have Jack physically present but not have him care one iota about her or what she does or how she feels. I think if played right that would be the ultimate and best punishment for her character. Apparently they only have a past so take it away and see what that does to her present and future. I always thought that the reason Jennifer moves on so quickly (other than her fear of being alone) is because she knows Jack will always be there in some way loving her and waiting for her. I highly doubt a future with any man will be the least bit appealing if Jack can't remember the great love they once shared and that he is so supposed to carry around like some lucky honor for the rest of his days.
I agree, Jennifer need to be held accountable for *her* mistakes. She acts like Jack is the only one to blame. It's time Salem saw Jennifer for who she really is, flaws and all. Back when they first agreed to the stupid dating game Jennifer accused Jack of thinking he was the only man she could ever love. But in fact, it's the opposite. She thinks Jack will never love anyone but her. So she keeps running to other men because she wants a "happy" and "easy" relationship. And she knows Jack will wait for her. It seems though that she may be starting to understand just how unrealistic her expectations are. Her conversation with Hope last week was a step in the right direction for me. But ultimately what needs to happen is for Jack to severe all emotional ties with Jennifer. He doesn't need amnesia to do that. Matt confirmed that Jack has been fighting to keep his emotions under control. And you can bet one of those emotions is anger. All it takes is for Jack to finally snap and let those emotions out. I would like to see Jack's PTSD featured heavily during February sweeps. Maybe see a few more therapy sessions with Marlena. See him actually struggling with his emotions while Jennifer is too busy with the election and pining for Dan. Then when St. Daniel returns to Salem have Jack witness his "tearful" reunion with Jennifer. Let that be the straw that broke the camel's back. I would love to see Jack snap at both of them. But mostly at Jennifer. Tell her how much of a hypocrite and a coward she really is. Then tell Jennifer that they are done. He wants nothing to do with her and walk away without looking back. And while Jack's at it, I want him to hold Adrienne accountable for pimping Daniel instead of trying to find her brother. Not to mention the last time he saw his sister she was telling he was an ass and to "talk to someone". She sounded like Jennifer, trying to pawn Jack's problems onto someone else while Justin stood there smiling like Jack just got back from an extended vacation. This way we get Jack, Justin and Adrienne on our screens. It's past time that Jack's family was involved in his storyline.
I'd love to see Jack go off on Jennifer, but I'd rather it had little or nothing to do with Daniel, specifically. He's very generic--just the latest in a string of guys Jennifer throws in Jack's face whenever she feels like she's not getting enough attention from him. In the long run, Daniel doesn't matter that much. And Jack ranting to Jennifer and Daniel about their relationship just makes him look like a jealous maniac. The issues between J & J go much deeper than her Rebound Guy du jour. But Jennifer's lack of faith, her emotional dishonesty, her self-absorption, her tendency to cut and run when the going gets tough, her need to have Jack continually compete for her favors with some other man, her refusal to stand by him during the darkest time of his life, her unwillingness to accept her share of responsibility for the problems in their marriage--all of those are fair game for the wrath of Deveraux. I want him to look her straight in the eye and tell her, "You let me down. You failed me when I needed you most, and I don't know if I can forgive you for that." And then walk away, leaving her feeling guilty and ashamed. I know Daniel doesn't matter in the long run, it's just a matter of principal. Plus there should be witnesses to Jennifer's fall from her pedestal. This shouldn't be done in private. Jennifer sure as hell has no problem with reaming out Jack in public.
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Jan 23 2012, 01:04 PM
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I agree, Jennifer need to be held accountable for *her* mistakes. She acts like Jack is the only one to blame. It's time Salem saw Jennifer for who she really is, flaws and all. Back when they first agreed to the stupid dating game Jennifer accused Jack of thinking he was the only man she could ever love. But in fact, it's the opposite. She thinks Jack will never love anyone but her. So she keeps running to other men because she wants a "happy" and "easy" relationship. And she knows Jack will wait for her. It seems though that she may be starting to understand just how unrealistic her expectations are. Her conversation with Hope last week was a step in the right direction for me. But ultimately what needs to happen is for Jack to severe all emotional ties with Jennifer. He doesn't need amnesia to do that. Matt confirmed that Jack has been fighting to keep his emotions under control. And you can bet one of those emotions is anger. All it takes is for Jack to finally snap and let those emotions out. I would like to see Jack's PTSD featured heavily during February sweeps. Maybe see a few more therapy sessions with Marlena. See him actually struggling with his emotions while Jennifer is too busy with the election and pining for Dan. Then when St. Daniel returns to Salem have Jack witness his "tearful" reunion with Jennifer. Let that be the straw that broke the camel's back. I would love to see Jack snap at both of them. But mostly at Jennifer. Tell her how much of a hypocrite and a coward she really is. Then tell Jennifer that they are done. He wants nothing to do with her and walk away without looking back. And while Jack's at it, I want him to hold Adrienne accountable for pimping Daniel instead of trying to find her brother. Not to mention the last time he saw his sister she was telling he was an ass and to "talk to someone". She sounded like Jennifer, trying to pawn Jack's problems onto someone else while Justin stood there smiling like Jack just got back from an extended vacation. This way we get Jack, Justin and Adrienne on our screens. It's past time that Jack's family was involved in his storyline.
I'd love to see Jack go off on Jennifer, but I'd rather it had little or nothing to do with Daniel, specifically. He's very generic--just the latest in a string of guys Jennifer throws in Jack's face whenever she feels like she's not getting enough attention from him. In the long run, Daniel doesn't matter that much. And Jack ranting to Jennifer and Daniel about their relationship just makes him look like a jealous maniac. The issues between J & J go much deeper than her Rebound Guy du jour. But Jennifer's lack of faith, her emotional dishonesty, her self-absorption, her tendency to cut and run when the going gets tough, her need to have Jack continually compete for her favors with some other man, her refusal to stand by him during the darkest time of his life, her unwillingness to accept her share of responsibility for the problems in their marriage--all of those are fair game for the wrath of Deveraux. I want him to look her straight in the eye and tell her, "You let me down. You failed me when I needed you most, and I don't know if I can forgive you for that." And then walk away, leaving her feeling guilty and ashamed.
I know Daniel doesn't matter in the long run, it's just a matter of principal. Plus there should be witnesses to Jennifer's fall from her pedestal. This shouldn't be done in private. Jennifer sure as hell has no problem with reaming out Jack in public. Public is fine with me. If we ever get such a scene, it would probably happen in HTS. Because everything does. :rolleyes:
On the up side, maybe Jack's reaming out of Jennifer could start out private and gather a crowd, until half the town is there to watch Jack rip her apart. They could even break into spontaneous applause at the end.
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Jan 23 2012, 01:12 PM
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I'd love to see Jack go off on Jennifer, but I'd rather it had little or nothing to do with Daniel, specifically. He's very generic--just the latest in a string of guys Jennifer throws in Jack's face whenever she feels like she's not getting enough attention from him. In the long run, Daniel doesn't matter that much. And Jack ranting to Jennifer and Daniel about their relationship just makes him look like a jealous maniac. The issues between J & J go much deeper than her Rebound Guy du jour. But Jennifer's lack of faith, her emotional dishonesty, her self-absorption, her tendency to cut and run when the going gets tough, her need to have Jack continually compete for her favors with some other man, her refusal to stand by him during the darkest time of his life, her unwillingness to accept her share of responsibility for the problems in their marriage--all of those are fair game for the wrath of Deveraux. I want him to look her straight in the eye and tell her, "You let me down. You failed me when I needed you most, and I don't know if I can forgive you for that." And then walk away, leaving her feeling guilty and ashamed.
I know Daniel doesn't matter in the long run, it's just a matter of principal. Plus there should be witnesses to Jennifer's fall from her pedestal. This shouldn't be done in private. Jennifer sure as hell has no problem with reaming out Jack in public.
Public is fine with me. If we ever get such a scene, it would probably happen in HTS. Because everything does. :rolleyes: On the up side, maybe Jack's reaming out of Jennifer could start out private and gather a crowd, until half the town is there to watch Jack rip her apart. They could even break into spontaneous applause at the end. I doubt they will be inviting all of us posters at DR to the set for extra applause but I think we could probably rock that scene and then carry Jack off the field out of the square!
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Jan 23 2012, 01:16 PM
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I am very sorry for making the typing mistake saying MARRIAGE instead of relationship. That was totally MY fault and Second Chances has no fault in this. It was an error made by me typing lots of pages out to everyone as quickly as I could. This week I will let better typist bring the spoilers here. Sorry for the confusion. :shrug:
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I can't wait to get new banners with scene pics too. From what we hear, it sounds like there will be a lot of Lumi, Lucas stuff!
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^A bit off-topic but I love your Lumi Banner! :wub: :wub: Thanks so much!! I threw that one together to last till we get scene pics! That is very recent pic though-I think it was from 2 weeks ago today actually! Bryan looks good doesn't he?!
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Right after he tell her she let him down please make him date somebody. Jen will really be feeling it then and I actually want her to suffer. It can be somebody he meets at therapy and they are just helping each other but Jen will think Jack has moved on. The more I ponder the more I like this idea
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Right after he tell her she let him down please make him date somebody. Jen will really be feeling it then and I actually want her to suffer. It can be somebody he meets at therapy and they are just helping each other but Jen will think Jack has moved on. The more I ponder the more I like this idea Or a fellow professor. Heck I wouldn't mind if he dated a student. A little revenge sex wouldn't hurt.
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^A bit off-topic but I love your Lumi Banner! :wub: :wub:
Thanks so much!! I threw that one together to last till we get scene pics! That is very recent pic though-I think it was from 2 weeks ago today actually! Bryan looks good doesn't he?! Bryan always looks good :wub:
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I just love this thread...very few posts for pimping Daniel. It feels like he`s already gone! Dispensible Dan, I hope TPTB get the idea.
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Right after he tell her she let him down please make him date somebody. Jen will really be feeling it then and I actually want her to suffer. It can be somebody he meets at therapy and they are just helping each other but Jen will think Jack has moved on. The more I ponder the more I like this idea
Or a fellow professor. Heck I wouldn't mind if he dated a student. A little revenge sex wouldn't hurt. I totally agree. Tired of him pining away for her disloyal.... :censored: I can't say the word cause I am a lady
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Jan 23 2012, 01:58 PM
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Right after he tell her she let him down please make him date somebody. Jen will really be feeling it then and I actually want her to suffer. It can be somebody he meets at therapy and they are just helping each other but Jen will think Jack has moved on. The more I ponder the more I like this idea
Or a fellow professor. Heck I wouldn't mind if he dated a student. A little revenge sex wouldn't hurt.
I totally agree. Tired of him pining away for her disloyal.... :censored: I can't say the word cause I am a lady Oh, you can say the word. ;) Most of us already do say the words that describe Jennifer around here all the time!
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I just finished watching Jennifer's OTT tearful goodbye to Daniel complete with sucking of face. I can't even begin to imagine how much more nauseating it would have been had the show not cut the airport goodbye. :puke: I still don't get how anyone on that show thought this triangle was in ANY way entertaining.
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Doesn't Shawn Christian's contract expire next month (February)? I haven't read any news about him negotiating a new contract. Maybe Dan will return to Salem briefly just to say goodbye to everybody, and then he'll move to a new town where he has a fresh supply of patients to molest.
I'd love for a patient to press assault charges against Daniel and for Daniel to lose his license and leave Salem in disgrace. However, I'd be shocked if MarDar ever wrote a storyline in which characters were allowed to actually acknowledge that Daniel is anything other than Lord Glitter Dick....
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Or maybe he's returning briefly for a few months and be one of the first to get killed by the NuSSK. Maybe he never negotiated a new deal and TPTB told him that he could go on recurring if he wishes? It's a possibility you know.....when is Molly's contract up? Maybe we'll get the one, two punch!
Now that I think about it that would be a good storyline for Suzanne. Maggie JUST got to meet her son and then she loses him to the serial killer, then she loses her grand daughter too and THEN she falls into a deep depression and hits the bottle again.
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Or maybe he's returning briefly for a few months and be one of the first to get killed by the NuSSK. Maybe he never negotiated a new deal and TPTB told him that he could go on recurring if he wishes? It's a possibility you know.....when is Molly's contract up? Maybe we'll get the one, two punch! The less we hear, the more nervous I get. Usually hearing nothing means a new deal has been reached quietly.
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Or maybe he's returning briefly for a few months and be one of the first to get killed by the NuSSK. Maybe he never negotiated a new deal and TPTB told him that he could go on recurring if he wishes? It's a possibility you know.....when is Molly's contract up? Maybe we'll get the one, two punch!
The less we hear, the more nervous I get. Usually hearing nothing means a new deal has been reached quietly. I know.....but then again, I think the fact that they are so far ahead in taping will somehow work against them if this is a serial killer type of story with more than one victim over a period of time. They NEED to keep the firings a secret until the time is right and they can release the information either to coincide with the character dying or if the actor truly doesn't give a shit then they'll release the information themselves to screw TPTB. They have managed to keep a few things from leaking and that's impressive considering that they tape so far in advance. At any other time we would have heard at least a month out of the Will being Ej's shooter twist or even this Sami being a mole thing. Both stories were released to the mags without anyone else knowing about it. I'd say that they are doing it on purpose to make sure that NO ONE finds out who gets killed when this SSK storyline starts if that is what it is.
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Or maybe he's returning briefly for a few months and be one of the first to get killed by the NuSSK. Maybe he never negotiated a new deal and TPTB told him that he could go on recurring if he wishes? It's a possibility you know.....when is Molly's contract up? Maybe we'll get the one, two punch!
The less we hear, the more nervous I get. Usually hearing nothing means a new deal has been reached quietly.
I know.....but then again, I think the fact that they are so far ahead in taping will somehow work against them if this is a serial killer type of story with more than one victim over a period of time. They NEED to keep the firings a secret until the time is right and they can release the information either to coincide with the character dying or if the actor truly doesn't give a shit then they'll release the information themselves to screw TPTB. They have managed to keep a few things from leaking and that's impressive considering that they tape so far in advance. At any other time we would have heard at least a month out of the Will being Ej's shooter twist or even this Sami being a mole thing. Both stories were released to the mags without anyone else knowing about it. I'd say that they are doing it on purpose to make sure that NO ONE finds out who gets killed when this SSK storyline starts if that is what it is. So has it been confirmed that there is a serial killer coming? Daniel is like the perfect candidate to be killed IMO.
If the show goes there and kills Daniel and or Melanie off...I will fly to Burbank and shake MarDar's hands!
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How about Daniel as the SSK, returning to Salem depressed and angry about his life. He is motivated by the thought of being with Jennifer and is determined to have her all to himself. He sees no chance with Jack always hanging around and getting involved in her life and this upsets him. He wants Jennifer emotionally and physical free of Jack. So Daniel plans to kills a few salemites, leading the Salem PD to believe that Jack is responsible. With Jack's well known PTSD and his recent public displays of anger, he becomes the number one suspect. Daniel revels in his success, when Jack is thrown behind bars. Unknowingly, Jennifer's reporter instincts have kicked in and she has grown suspicious. Jennifer remains loyal to Daniel, and supports the idea that Jack is responsible, while trying to help prove Jack's innocence. Against Jack's wishes, Jennifer dangerously plays both sides. Jennifer is extremely convincing, and Jack is sentenced to life in prison. Daniel thinks he is home free, but Jennifer starts pulling away from him, as he makes demands in their relationship that she doesn't want to comply with. Jennifer & friends frantically try to prove that Daniel is responsible, but to no avail, and Dan kidnaps Jennifer, holding her hostage in a desolate cabin near by. He is unable to kill her, because he wants her to love him, more than anything else. On the down low, Jack's friends in high places, get him out of prison as a Jack impersonator takes his place, making him is free to find the woman he loves and help capture the real murderer. (P.S. Jack dresses in varous diguises, just like the old days) I know this belongs in the "If I ran the show.. but I just couldn't resist).
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LanaluvsBroe
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Jan 23 2012, 08:14 PM
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- Favorite Current Daytime Soap Opera
- Days Of Our Lives
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- Days Of Our Lives
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- House
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Well at least they didn't completely ignore the Australia connection today. However, Jennifer's "You too?" comment pissed me off. Earth to Jennifer: Jack DID NOT go to Australia.
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