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Monday, January 23rd Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jan 20 2012, 03:10 PM (8,471 Views)
Lil
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I thought Kate already had a scheme cooking and that's why she hired SlamMe? I hope her plan brings them down! lol
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MissLola
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I am glad that Brady is confronting Quinn for the Chloe thing. It is about time . Also I am curious that Madison had in store for Quinn!
Edited by MissLola, Jan 20 2012, 04:19 PM.
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BJ Deveraux
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Yuck. I won't be watching. Hope changes her mind after months of investigating?? As if. Why in God's name if Daniel "loves" Jennifer is he leaving the country? The fact that they keep expressing their "love" for each other is stupid.
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Lil
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I think Madison was alluding to selling Mad World stuff at the spa and bumping Kate out...hopefully it will be more interesting than that...hopefully....
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rosered


Wow the Will scences are the only real thing interesting.
Just when I thought they couldnt make Jennifer look anymore pathetic,...
She looks and acts like she can't live without him...but Daniel looks just fine leabing her behind.. dont see hm crying over you Jen....
You don't look very torn to anybody!!
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Guinevere
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Bring back Jack!

So Daniel's leaving to find himself in Australia. OK there has to be something more here. Surely writing exactly the same reason for him leaving that caused Jennifer to accuse Jack of abandonment and selfishness - and eventually divorce is not just a coincidence? And seriously Daniel's going on a trip yet they treat it like some hero heading off to war. It's embarassing reading the way Jennifer reacts to this so I have no plan to even have to see her humiliate herself this way.

TFP:)
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Aldo
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For how long is Daniel away from Salem?
Edited by Aldo, Jan 20 2012, 04:58 PM.
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LanaluvsBroe
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Guinevere
Jan 20 2012, 04:42 PM
So Daniel's leaving to find himself in Australia. OK there has to be something more here. Surely writing exactly the same reason for him leaving that caused Jennifer to accuse Jack of abandonment and selfishness - and eventually divorce is not just a coincidence? And seriously Daniel's going on a trip yet they treat it like some hero heading off to war. It's embarassing reading the way Jennifer reacts to this so I have no plan to even have to see her humiliate herself this way.

TFP:)
Except Jack did not go to Australia although Jen-Jen acts like he did. :moon:
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AHM


Nothing that makes me want to watch. Will might be okay, but not worth it. I have to ignore episodes like this when Jennifer demeans herself over her stupid little non-romance if I'm to have any hope of ever liking the character again.
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Guinevere
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Bring back Jack!

LanaluvsBroe
Jan 20 2012, 04:55 PM
Guinevere
Jan 20 2012, 04:42 PM
So Daniel's leaving to find himself in Australia. OK there has to be something more here. Surely writing exactly the same reason for him leaving that caused Jennifer to accuse Jack of abandonment and selfishness - and eventually divorce is not just a coincidence? And seriously Daniel's going on a trip yet they treat it like some hero heading off to war. It's embarassing reading the way Jennifer reacts to this so I have no plan to even have to see her humiliate herself this way.

TFP:)
Except Jack did not go to Australia although Jen-Jen acts like he did. :moon:
Yeah I know I meant when she thought he had..she went around badmouthing him and accusing him of abandoning her and being selfish.
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Dee-anne


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Jan 20 2012, 03:31 PM
I don't know if it's because I'm not deep enough to appreciate all these character interactions and conversations about feelings and whatnot, but I find this stuff boring as hell.
It's because the writers are not putting any of their time and effort in fleshing out the characters in order for us to care about them. They tell us, instead of showing us and, with certain characters what they tell us is the complete opposite to what they actual do show us on screen. Take Sami for example, we have been told that she is a wonderful mother but I would not draw that conclusion from what they have shown us with Sami and her kids. She is a Savi business woman but, we haven't seen any evidence of this but we have seen plenty of evidence of her making stupid decisions/stupid mistakes.

Quin is another. We are told that he has changed and that he is sorry for what he had done to Chloe etc. but have have we seen him remorseful, have we seen him wrestle with the fact that he use to be a pimp and is now so ashamed. It probably would have helped us understand Quinn better if they showed him when he is with his therapist and, if they wrote those scenes well we the audience may forgive him for what he did to Chloe and also not mind the other characters like Brady forgiving him as well. As it stands we have to take Quinn's word for it that he is sorry and he has changed and the audience should forgive him too because Brady has. All they have shown us is Quinn Blackmailing EJ on his first day, employing all the teens to work in his spa and telling anyone who is willing to listen that he has changed. They haven't given us a reason to care about Quinn. Well I don't.

The same thing could be said for most of the characters on the show like
Daniel, Melanie, Jennifer etc. They tell us how wonderful these people are when they have given us more reason to believe that they are not so wonderful by what they have shown of these characters on screen. Jennifer treating Jack terribly while Jack tells her how wonderful she is. Maybe wonderful is not the exact word he uses but, you get my meaning.

They don't spend time to build up any of the love stories for us to even care. It is all instant lust. I don't include Nicole and EJ in this because their story has been going on since 2008, Bo and hope are already established and so is Marlena and John but, Brady fell instantly in lust for Madison even though the writers will be telling us it is love by having Brady say the words to Madison, Chad fell instantly in love with Melanie after kissing her while still being with Abby. Rafe and Carrie is married to other people and suddenly they are in lust with each other.

It's all empty stuff. There is no depth to most of these stories and, that is the reason why I personally am bored with most of it. They should stop filming so far in advance and concentrate on writing for the characters so that we the audience can care a bit more and want to see what happens to them. The characters are more important than plot points. They are the ones that makes us want to come back and watch some more, once we stop caring about them, we stop watching.
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annie21


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Jan 20 2012, 04:42 PM
So Daniel's leaving to find himself in Australia. OK there has to be something more here. Surely writing exactly the same reason for him leaving that caused Jennifer to accuse Jack of abandonment and selfishness - and eventually divorce is not just a coincidence? And seriously Daniel's going on a trip yet they treat it like some hero heading off to war. It's embarassing reading the way Jennifer reacts to this so I have no plan to even have to see her humiliate herself this way.

TFP:)
^This! Are the writers really that obtuse that they picked Australia of all places for Daniel to go surfing and then NOT make the connection to Jack's so-called walkabout?

Yes, we know Jack didn't actually go there. But for months and months, this show was constantly making reference to Jack being on walkabout on Australia (before he decided to join an ashram in India <<rolls eyes>>) And for those same months and months, we heard Jennifer rail against Jack for going off to "find himself."

So now Daniel is actually going to do what Jennifer only THOUGHT Jack was doing, and yet nothing is said? No connections are made? No irony is noted?

I would like to think these writing choices are intentional and are actually leading somewhere. But everything they do just seems so random and disjointed that it's unlikely they will ever capitalize on the emotional moments they themselves set up. Such a waste!

:shame:

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LanaluvsBroe
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I just noticed something. Jennifer's hair-do is the same one she had in that pic she tweeted. And that tweet was on the same day that Molly tweeted about having a headache from all the crying. They must have been filming this episode.
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lysie


Look at the still pic from that youtube clip and try to tell me Melanie doesn't like a red headed Veruca Salt.
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jam6242
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OMG, more blubbering from Melanie & Maggie?! I feel as though I'm being punished for some misdeed I don't know about.
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Paxton
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They must be chem testing Quinn and Brady.

Great post, Dee-Anne. I totally agree that a major problem is that Days does nothing with the material it actually has, i.e., that Sami is actually a shitty mom, a stupid businesswoman, that many people have ample reason to hate Melanie, etc. It reminds me of when Stephanie and Chelsea were boning their Uncle Max (mercifully, not at the same time), and the show refused to make any story out of it whatsoever when the obvious elephant in the room was right there ready to cause conflict.
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I haven't watched this episode yet, but I am already annoyed with how it's going to be. You would think that Jennifer would feel "abandoned" by doctor-feel-me-up. If it was Jack leaving, she would cry abandonment.
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Dreamer
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Now that I had had time to digest today's epi, I will cast a new light on what I saw about Dannifer's Goodbye. No surprise that Daniel is selfishly leaving Salem to take care of himself, which is very egocentrical and expected from his character. I have to admit that I liked TPTB, which had Jennifer tell him that she feels responsible for his decision to leave Salem. It is about time Jennifer takes responsibility for something. Let's face it, she is not 'torn', God, I hate that word, it is really her inability to love Daniel in the consuming soulmate kind of way. If she would just confess her love and want for him, he'd stay in a heartbeat. Instead, Dan makes light of his screwed up past and the harsh memories he has in Salem, then refers to this "look" (supposedly Jen makes this face, but I didn't see it) that ppl give him, and I took this sentiment as him finally facing his demons, about his not so great past. We can probably thank Nicole for helping point this out to him.

After today's epi, I do believe that Daniel is truly "in love" with Jennifer, whereas Jennifer is more concerned about being left alone and abandoned and maybe even hurt. Daniel was there when she needed him, but I'm not so sure she needs him anymore. If the real Jennifer was "in love" with someone facing a personal and/or professional crisis, she wouldn't think twice about leaving everything to see them throught it (that would be the old Jennifer, we liked and fell in love with), this Jennifer has none of those qualities. Daniel is putting Jen to "the test" and she is failing miserably. Her "hurry home" comment is trivial. Hurry back for what? She is not offering him anything.

Because most fans are sick of the triangle SL and have no so great feelings for either Dan or Jen, this epi might be ignored by most. TPTB could have made them care, but their approach to this SL was a huge catastrophy. Now the only person that needs help from the triangle SL, is Jennifer. TPTB have left Jen alone, in her own world to self destruct, maybe as a way to get fans to like her again or at least pity her or feel sorry for her.

The rest of the Daniel scenes with Mag. Mel and Vic were really a repeat of yesterday. They've already goodbyed...so it is more annoying that anything else. I wished TPTB tried to explain Jen and Dan's feelings in a more open discussion, but they didn't, which just proves they really don't have a 'solid' relationship, it's just FLUFF!!
Edited by Dreamer, Jan 20 2012, 10:53 PM.
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DrewHamilton
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Eric Martsolf really was born to play Drake Hogestyn's son. In that clip, I saw so many Hogestyn mannerisms coming from Martsolf.
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