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Thursday January 26th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jan 25 2012, 02:36 PM (12,329 Views)
LanaluvsBroe
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niki51586
Jan 25 2012, 05:58 PM
LanaluvsBroe
Jan 25 2012, 05:52 PM
The mention of his children and the calendar but not of Jennifer is a good sign to me. Slowly but surely the divide between himself and Jennifer is growing. She is too preoccupied with Daniel to notice that Jack is slipping away. I think eventually she will see the light but by then it will be far too late.
I really hope you are right and I hope that is what that spoiler was alluding to when it mentioned that one person was ready to try again and the other wasn't. I think it would start Jennifer's own personal torture. He has really been there for her since they started working together at the Spectator even in the begining when he pushed her away he was still there when she needed him. It would be very intersting to see the dynamic if that changed and he slipped away from her. If I got to see the moment where she comes to that realization that he isn't her's anymore. I will forgive the writers for not giving me that "moment" when Jack returned and Jennifer should have been shocked and ashamed that she divorced and was so wrong about him.
It was someone else here that suggested that Jennifer would be the one ready to get back together and Jack would pull away. My first thought back then had been to disagree because of Jennifer's obsession with Daniel. But then having given it some thought I realized they may be right. I mean the spoiler itself sounded uneventful. But then I began to wonder why they were so ambiguous about names. I think it was done intentionally so fans would assume Jack was still chasing Jennifer when it reality it was Jennifer that would be doing the chasing. At least I hope so.
Edited by LanaluvsBroe, Jan 25 2012, 06:11 PM.
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LanaluvsBroe
Jan 25 2012, 06:10 PM
niki51586
Jan 25 2012, 05:58 PM
LanaluvsBroe
Jan 25 2012, 05:52 PM
The mention of his children and the calendar but not of Jennifer is a good sign to me. Slowly but surely the divide between himself and Jennifer is growing. She is too preoccupied with Daniel to notice that Jack is slipping away. I think eventually she will see the light but by then it will be far too late.
I really hope you are right and I hope that is what that spoiler was alluding to when it mentioned that one person was ready to try again and the other wasn't. I think it would start Jennifer's own personal torture. He has really been there for her since they started working together at the Spectator even in the begining when he pushed her away he was still there when she needed him. It would be very intersting to see the dynamic if that changed and he slipped away from her. If I got to see the moment where she comes to that realization that he isn't her's anymore. I will forgive the writers for not giving me that "moment" when Jack returned and Jennifer should have been shocked and ashamed that she divorced and was so wrong about him.
It was someone else here that suggested that Jennifer would be the one ready to get back together and Jack would pull away. My first thought back then had been to disagree because of Jennifer's obsession with Daniel. But then having given it some thought I realized they may be right. I mean the spoiler itself sounded uneventful. But then I began to wonder why they were so ambiguous about names. I think it was done intentionally so fans would assume Jack was still chasing Jennifer when it reality it was Jennifer that would be doing the chasing. At least I hope so.
Readng your post just gave me a thought that this will proabably be how they continue the stupid triangle when the savior gets back. Jack will have completely stepped away and then when Dr. Wonderballs returns she will jump into his arms at lightening speed because we all know she can't handle being alone for a nano secound. Only this time she will be pineing away for Jack and wanting to be there for him and help him.
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Romancer66


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Jan 25 2012, 05:35 PM
My first thought after reading what Marlena says to him about being the bravest person she knows was "see? These are things JENNIFER should be saying to him."
I thought something similar. Marlena praises Jack's courage and endurance; Jennifer accuses him of cowardice. Marlena is supportive, Jennifer is largely indifferent. Marlena is willing to cross professional boundaries and hug Jack if he needs it; Jennifer begrudges him even a single kiss or touch. The contrast is glaring--and painful to the point where I don't know why Jack even bothers with Jennifer anymore. Married or divorced, you don't treat someone you care for like this--as if he has a disease you don't want to catch.
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BRAVO!!!! :wow:
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It is nice to see Jack dealing with his issues like a grown man on his own. Unlike Dr. Boo Hoo I can't use my hands to grope female patients anymore!! :wave: i hope that when Jack is better he finds a new woman who is a bit more supportive, unlike the shrew! :flipoff:
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Jan 25 2012, 06:03 PM
Another thing about these scenes...it just made the rest of the material look so....unimportant, ridiculous in a way, totally devoid of any kind of realistic emotion.

It also totally exclamates just how shitty this stupid triangle is and just how badly MarDar has damaged the character of Jennifer....almost beyond repair and certainly beyond recognition.

Even though I think MarDar are useless HW's, they have absolutely NAILED the Jack Deveraux character down and the writing for Jack (no matter how little he has been on) has been pretty stellar (for the most part).
Someone behind the scenes is doing right by Jack Deveraux, and it's about time. I don't know if it's MarDar--they reintroduced him by dropping into a cake, for chrissakes--but if they weren't responsible for today's scenes with him, they were at least smart enough to get out of the way of whatever writer did the job. And I think praise should go to Greg Meng for coming up with the idea for the vets episode in the first place. Now, if only we could be sure they're not going to drop the ball by backburnering this story when it should be front and center.

As for Jennifer--dear heaven, what a mess. Because there's no way to put a positive spin on her physical and emotional absence from Jack's life while he's going through this ordeal. At best, she's self-absorbed and oblivious. At worst, she's callous and uncaring. Either way, she looks bad, and at this point, she deserves to be alone indefinitely.
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OMG, my poor poor Jack. To live through all that physical and psychological trauma only to come home to nothing but seeing Jennifer's pathetic face and her own form of psychological torture on him. The bitch deserves Daniel! She needs to stay away from Jack! She is poison for him and he sure as hell doesn't need this version of Jennifer treating him like crap.

What a great episode. As usual I want more but MA's brilliant portrayal will get me through another week of no Jack. Quality over quantity is what we'll get with Jack as oppose to fake, OTT and vomit-inducing Daniel scenes.

MA & DH take a bow :applause: :wow:
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LanaluvsBroe
Jan 25 2012, 06:10 PM
niki51586
Jan 25 2012, 05:58 PM
LanaluvsBroe
Jan 25 2012, 05:52 PM
The mention of his children and the calendar but not of Jennifer is a good sign to me. Slowly but surely the divide between himself and Jennifer is growing. She is too preoccupied with Daniel to notice that Jack is slipping away. I think eventually she will see the light but by then it will be far too late.
I really hope you are right and I hope that is what that spoiler was alluding to when it mentioned that one person was ready to try again and the other wasn't. I think it would start Jennifer's own personal torture. He has really been there for her since they started working together at the Spectator even in the begining when he pushed her away he was still there when she needed him. It would be very intersting to see the dynamic if that changed and he slipped away from her. If I got to see the moment where she comes to that realization that he isn't her's anymore. I will forgive the writers for not giving me that "moment" when Jack returned and Jennifer should have been shocked and ashamed that she divorced and was so wrong about him.
It was someone else here that suggested that Jennifer would be the one ready to get back together and Jack would pull away. My first thought back then had been to disagree because of Jennifer's obsession with Daniel. But then having given it some thought I realized they may be right. I mean the spoiler itself sounded uneventful. But then I began to wonder why they were so ambiguous about names. I think it was done intentionally so fans would assume Jack was still chasing Jennifer when it reality it was Jennifer that would be doing the chasing. At least I hope so.
Niki51586, I made this comment in recent post. IA, the ambiguity of the names in the 2012 Preview, led me to think that things would eventually change. Now that we have reached the pinacle, so to speak, the next logical steps would be to see, Jen chase and fight an angsty Jack. Sals4 said, "Jack angst is what I fell in love with, not just JnJ", and I would agree with that. In the early days, Jack pushing Jen away made their whole romance so good.

I am extremely interested in Jack 's next scenes, hopefully giving us new insight to his changed or changing character. I want more PDST scenes/situations to be shown and/or real dialogue with JnJ, were she is forced to face her behaviour and actions and him a chance to tell her how he feels.

Although it's sad to say, I do think Jack blames himself for Jennifer, not being there for him. Saying," I scared off my wife", doesn't reflect much confidence. Seems like he feels that his PDST, makes him less worthy and perhaps why she would considered Dr. D more stable and solid. I also agree with Mitch, that this the most sympathy I've felt for a fictional character, in such a long time. JnJ revisited, is worthy of Daytime Soap attention, so I'm hoping TPTB know this and wlll write a great emmy winning SL out of it.
Edited by Dreamer, Jan 25 2012, 07:20 PM.
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I just watched the show and just loved it. I cried but it was so heartening to see Jack being respected and embraced, even if it was mostly by strangers. It still breaks my heart that the one person Jack needs this from is Jennifer and I ache for him. But I look forward to his growing apart from needing her. If they ever do come together again, Jennifer has a lot to account for - not least is how she's treated him like yesterday's problem.
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One last thought for today...ooops it's already Thursday over here, whatever...I absolutely like that MarDar (or whoever) try to make Jack a "round character". Jack's journey from being the offender to victim status is absolutely believably!
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Jan 25 2012, 06:02 PM
Powerful stuff. For those saying this was a stand-alone episode, I would not only agree, but would also add that the entire PTSD storyline is separate from the rest. This is the only story I've seen that Greg Meng has commented on, so my sense is that he's the one who has taken the lead on the PTSD angle from the beginning. I believe he's overseen the writing along the way, too, and that may be why it often comes across as different from the rest of the stuff we're getting.

Having said that, I worry that TPTB originally may have thought they'd let this whole PTSD thing run it's course in about six months and culminate with a veteran's tribute. I hope not. I hope they'll keep going and not just summarily declare that Jack is healed now.

I also agree with those who say that these scenes are not part of the rewrites. They were sketched out fairly early on (summer) and were taped back in early-to-mid November (according to tweets and soap mag articles at the time.)

By the way, I remember reading back then that someone mentioned one of the vets would be hanging around for some more scenes. Does that sound familiar to anyone? I guess we'll have to wait and see.


I don't recall seeing that anywhere Annie, but I hope they do stick around. Those vets are more interesting to watch then half of the current cast.
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Jan 25 2012, 07:21 PM
One last thought for today...ooops it's already Thursday over here, whatever...I absolutely like that MarDar (or whoever) try to make Jack a "round character". Jack's journey from being the offender to victim status is absolutely believably!
Which is ironic since Jennifer went from being the victim to being the offender. The tables have turned.
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The vets (assuming all those playing vets were actual vets) were quite good actors. I was impressed.
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LanaluvsBroe
Jan 25 2012, 07:24 PM
Alana
Jan 25 2012, 07:21 PM
One last thought for today...ooops it's already Thursday over here, whatever...I absolutely like that MarDar (or whoever) try to make Jack a "round character". Jack's journey from being the offender to victim status is absolutely believably!
Which is ironic since Jennifer went from being the victim to being the offender. The tables have turned.
Quite frankly, the grey-haired ice princess wasn't even on my mind while watching ...I am waiting for Jemma (and her four children, all of their names beginning with "J"---coincidence??) to come into Jack's life !!
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:grouphug: :grouphug: GROUP HUG! GROUP HUG! GROUP HUG! :grouphug: :grouphug:
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Off topic note, but definitely worth the mention is Deidre Hall. I know that Marlena is not a Horton or a Brady, but I think she going to be the new matriarch of the show. Since Marlena's return, she's been involved with so many characters of the show. Motheringly providing guidance and therapy to all those lost Salem children. She is taking care of Jack, Bo, Hope, Abby, Quinn, Will, and Sami. I assume her list will grow as events unfold. IMO, DH has doing a phenomenal job, involved with almost all the characters on cast. I am enjoying her return immensely. DH was brillant today. I couldn't see Jack in therapy with anyone else but her, they really click. :thanks:
Edited by Dreamer, Jan 25 2012, 09:34 PM.
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So I decided to snap my Days strike and watch this episode so I just finished watching Paul's videos and all I can say is WOW! Those scenes and Matt's performance were brilliant, it was absolutely touching and moving. It really makes me sad and angry that they've placed this wonderful and real SL on the back burner and keep shoving stupid and contrived SL down our throats.

I also agree with Mitch that when TPTB want to write great episodes/SL they can. But unfortunately they prefer writing contrived and boring SL over real drama like this. :shame:

And the Jack/Marlena hug :wub: :wub: :wub:
Edited by JackN'Jen, Jan 25 2012, 09:13 PM.
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I can't wait to watch this tomorrow. But I do have to say I am soooooooo grateful Jennifer was not on today's episode. I really do not want to be distracted from Jack's sl at all and I wish this had been a full episode of just the support group; but I am at least glad Jennifer was in no other scenes, irritating me with her presence.
Edited by melissablessed, Jan 25 2012, 09:41 PM.
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TFP. I will watch this episode tomorrow for Jack/Marlena/vets. The entire episode should have been about PTSD. The powers that be devoted 2 entire episodes to the teen website/hostage - but they couldn't devote one entire episode to PTSD, Jack and our veterans? :shame:

TPTB missed an amazing opportunity. They should have been building Jack's PTSD story line since his return. Really build it - not just have a few minutes in 2-3 episodes referencing his PTSD. Can you imagine if they had really built this story line so that it culminated in an intervention today with his family and vets? And if they had really marketed this episode - letting the audience know that DOOL was going to devote an entire episode to PTSD and real vets with their real stories? With the real life return of our troops - this is a topical, relevant story that be educational, enlightening, and inspiring for its audience and our country. And given what the vets, MA, and DH did today (from what I hear) they would have blown a full episode away. And DOOL would have had its emm episode for best soap. Didn't GH submit its episode for Luke's alcohol intervention? That kind of care, writing, publicity, and acting could have really spread the word that DOOL had experienced a real re-boot and was revitalizing the entire soap genre.

But this would have required MarDar to really map out the PSTD story line, rather than treating it as a plot point. And taking full advantage of MA's talents - rather than using him as window dressing for the lame Dannifer angst.

I agree with Sals4 - I love Jack angst more than J&J. More Jack please! And thank you, Marlena, for actually caring about Jack. And seriously, thank yo to each and every one of our vets. You have carried the burdens of war disproportionately on your shoulders for too long. Thank you for all of your many sacrifices - the sacrifices of yourselves and your families. God bless you. I wish each of you peace and healing this new year.
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