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Jan 27 2012, 12:48 AM
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Beautiful episode. I don't think the scenes outside of the veterans scenes were out of place. Something was needed to balance the show, although I wouldn't have minded an episode solely based on the veterans because of the issue. But I don't think the show did anything wrong with having those more light-hearted scenes play against Jack and Marlena's scenes with the vets.
I liked hearing all of the veterans' stories, but there was something about Pat. She had actual staying power. I noticed that the minute she arrived and had that little moment when she and Jack looked at one another. I wouldn't mind if the show brought her back and had her involved with Jack more. They could help each other and possibly lead to something developing between the two.
While all of the scenes with the vets were sad, I held it together until the last segment when they all shook hands with Jack and hugged him before leaving. That was moving, especially Jack and Marlena's embrace at the very end. Kudos to DAYS for pulling this episode off. Something unusual for them, but it seems to be welcomed by most, so I hope to see them do more scenes/episodes like this in the future.
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Jan 27 2012, 12:50 AM
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I read the subtext with Marlena today loud and clear. When she told Jack he was one of the bravest people she knew, she meant it like he could face anything. Say like....raping someone and sticking around to not only face the consequences, but take responsibility for it and come out the other side a different person? DH played that perfectly!
For a man that is known for his running away he sure does stay and face some pretty horrible things. IA, THIS EPI CONFIRMS THAT JACK IS A CHANGED MAN! JACK = BRAVERY AND COURAGE! NO COWARDICE HERE! LOL
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Jan 27 2012, 12:51 AM
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LOVED the veterans part of the episode - it was very well done! The rest of the show was pointless and dull.
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Jan 27 2012, 01:14 AM
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I FINALLY got to see the scenes!!!! I don't need to repeat what everyone else has said, so I will try to share some other thoughts.
I thought Culliton did a really great job! I was impressed that he was able to write distinctive characters for the therapy session - and they each had their own arc during the episode. You got a sense of them as a group, and how they individually reacted to the new member - Jack. And the series of hugs at the end was beautiful and perfect.
Loved MA's acting choices, like the slow shredding of his paper cup, jumping at Paco's touch, etc. But I also want to give KUDOS to Deidre Hall! She and Matt Ashford work so well together, even though they have very different acting styles and characters. Deidre didn't have many lines - but she is amazing with her reactions!! Completely grounded, listening without condescending - simple, elegant and strong. She just exudes warmth and compassion. I really love the friendship that is developing between Jack and Marlena. But I don't think I see Marlena throwing down with Jennifer over her treatment with Jack. That doesn't seem Marlena's style - unless she is dealing with someone intentionally evil like the DiMeras. I think overall, Marlena is not judgmental and understands human frailty. And I don't think she would break patient confidentiality by screaming at Jennifer. I will leave that to Nicole :-) :wub:
Also, I really loved this scene, but I don't think I need to see more group therapy sessions. It was so powerful as a stand alone episode. I'd be happy to hear that Jack is continuing group therapy - but I don't need to see the sessions. When I say I want more of the PTSD story line - I don't mean that I want to see Jack having the same conversations over and over again about PTSD - like how MarDar write all of their other "stories." I mean that I want to see how Jack deals with PTSD as he builds his life. That said, I would be happy to see any of the actors/vets again - meeting Jack outside of therapy. Having coffee, or running into him at the HTS. We'd get a sense of the bond shared between the characters, but also allow for other conversation/action.
And as for Pat, I can see Jack and Pat maybe getting closer. Some healing and maybe a slight re-bound thing. But I don't think Jack would take it too far. He would know that it's re-bound and wouldn't want to use Pat that way. It will take him a while to get over Jennifer. Unlike his ex-wife, he doesn't fall in love easily. She has been his ONLY love for almost a quarter century. When he said "I just want to go back home" - it was like a dagger in my heart. Jennifer has always been "home" for Jack. Now Jack has to find his center again, without Jennifer. But I would be thrilled to see some Jack/Pat and Jack with anyone else!
This was a real treat. I thank Meng for dreaming up this episode. And I thank Culliton, DH, MA and most importantly the vets on the show, and all the vets who have served our country. And I am soooo grateful that Dannifer wasn't anywhere near this episode!!!!!! :cheer:
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Jan 27 2012, 09:36 AM
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- Jan 26 2012, 02:39 PM
Yep Jack being in this type of therapy setting and being so clearly traumatized by what has happened to him, while Jennifer is running around Salem weeping about Daniel's shaky hand syndrome and barking like a dog at Nicole/EJ...just paints her as incredibly heartless/shrewish/undeserving of Jack's love and devotion. Not only that, but Abigail being so incredibly absent from Jack's life while she is trying to break up Caustin's marriage, certainly won't be winning her any daughter of the year awards....Abigail and Jennifer are two of the most selfish characters on this show...their treatment of Jack is appalling, DISGUSTING!
Its is almost shocking that MarDar are sort of oblivious to how their writing of Jack is making Jennifer come off to the fans that have grew up loving her....almost everyone I know HATES Jennifer with the heat of a 1000 suns...she is BEYOND all recognition at this point and Melissa Reeves has bordered on the Alison Sweeney territory of terrible/atrocious acting.
Today was definietly a case of a show displaying two very different faces (one beautiful and the other horrible disfigured/ugly) in the same episode...the contrast was quite alarming IMO! Great post but I would add Adrienne to the list too. I know she's been off camera but the last time we saw her with Jack, she acted like he just came back from vacation and brushed his issues off by telling him to "talk to someone" much the same way Jennifer has. Then in the next scene she was sharing a laugh with Justin, Maggie and Victor about Jack being his own worst enemy. In reality there was nothing about Jack's situation that was even remotely funny. She showed him compassion for all of 5 minutes. So until Adrienne and Justin resurface and start showing compassion and actually acting like they give a fuck, they're both on my shit list.
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Jan 27 2012, 09:59 AM
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I read the subtext with Marlena today loud and clear. When she told Jack he was one of the bravest people she knew, she meant it like he could face anything. Say like....raping someone and sticking around to not only face the consequences, but take responsibility for it and come out the other side a different person? DH played that perfectly!
For a man that is known for his running away he sure does stay and face some pretty horrible things. Yeah, I can't really give credit to Jack for facing up to the consequences of RAPING his wife. That doesn't get kudos from me. Particularly when he tried to avoid facing any criminal sanctions and it took him well over a year to even admit he'd done anything wrong. So if Marlena was giving him a compliment for THAT? Then I've embarassed for her. Jack doesn't get to be portrayed as some kind of hero for having to deal with the consequences of violently raping his wife. It doesn't work that way for me.
Jack earned his redemption and I loved watching that process. But accepting the consequences for what he did doesn't make him a hero. And those "horrible" things he was facing back then were his own doing. I kind of think what Kayla was facing was a little more horrible, but maybe that's just me.
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Jan 27 2012, 10:09 AM
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I read the subtext with Marlena today loud and clear. When she told Jack he was one of the bravest people she knew, she meant it like he could face anything. Say like....raping someone and sticking around to not only face the consequences, but take responsibility for it and come out the other side a different person? DH played that perfectly!
For a man that is known for his running away he sure does stay and face some pretty horrible things.
Yeah, I can't really give credit to Jack for facing up to the consequences of RAPING his wife. That doesn't get kudos from me. Particularly when he tried to avoid facing any criminal sanctions and it took him well over a year to even admit he'd done anything wrong. So if Marlena was giving him a compliment for THAT? Then I've embarassed for her. Jack doesn't get to be portrayed as some kind of hero for having to deal with the consequences of violently raping his wife. It doesn't work that way for me. Jack earned his redemption and I loved watching that process. But accepting the consequences for what he did doesn't make him a hero. And those "horrible" things he was facing back then were his own doing. I kind of think what Kayla was facing was a little more horrible, but maybe that's just me. I can't imagine that Marlena's "you're the bravest man I know" in the context of an episode about PTSD would have anything at all to do with the rape incident that happened years ago. Their therapy now is focused on PTSD, and this episode was set up solely to highlight the issue of war trauma. There was no dialogue or anything else that even suggested that this was being alluded to.
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Jan 27 2012, 10:13 AM
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I read the subtext with Marlena today loud and clear. When she told Jack he was one of the bravest people she knew, she meant it like he could face anything. Say like....raping someone and sticking around to not only face the consequences, but take responsibility for it and come out the other side a different person? DH played that perfectly!
For a man that is known for his running away he sure does stay and face some pretty horrible things.
Yeah, I can't really give credit to Jack for facing up to the consequences of RAPING his wife. That doesn't get kudos from me. Particularly when he tried to avoid facing any criminal sanctions and it took him well over a year to even admit he'd done anything wrong. So if Marlena was giving him a compliment for THAT? Then I've embarassed for her. Jack doesn't get to be portrayed as some kind of hero for having to deal with the consequences of violently raping his wife. It doesn't work that way for me. Jack earned his redemption and I loved watching that process. But accepting the consequences for what he did doesn't make him a hero. And those "horrible" things he was facing back then were his own doing. I kind of think what Kayla was facing was a little more horrible, but maybe that's just me.
I can't imagine that Marlena's "you're the bravest man I know" in the context of an episode about PTSD would have anything at all to do with the rape incident that happened years ago. Their therapy now is focused on PTSD, and this episode was set up solely to highlight the issue of war trauma. There was no dialogue or anything else that even suggested that this was being alluded to. Good to know. Thanks, Ellie.
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Jan 27 2012, 10:21 AM
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Yeah, I can't really give credit to Jack for facing up to the consequences of RAPING his wife. That doesn't get kudos from me. Particularly when he tried to avoid facing any criminal sanctions and it took him well over a year to even admit he'd done anything wrong. So if Marlena was giving him a compliment for THAT? Then I've embarassed for her. Jack doesn't get to be portrayed as some kind of hero for having to deal with the consequences of violently raping his wife. It doesn't work that way for me. Jack earned his redemption and I loved watching that process. But accepting the consequences for what he did doesn't make him a hero. And those "horrible" things he was facing back then were his own doing. I kind of think what Kayla was facing was a little more horrible, but maybe that's just me.
I can't imagine that Marlena's "you're the bravest man I know" in the context of an episode about PTSD would have anything at all to do with the rape incident that happened years ago. Their therapy now is focused on PTSD, and this episode was set up solely to highlight the issue of war trauma. There was no dialogue or anything else that even suggested that this was being alluded to.
Good to know. Thanks, Ellie. Besides...Marlena was dead when that happened.
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Jan 27 2012, 10:24 AM
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I can't imagine that Marlena's "you're the bravest man I know" in the context of an episode about PTSD would have anything at all to do with the rape incident that happened years ago. Their therapy now is focused on PTSD, and this episode was set up solely to highlight the issue of war trauma. There was no dialogue or anything else that even suggested that this was being alluded to.
Good to know. Thanks, Ellie.
Besides...Marlena was dead when that happened. I wasn't the one who suggested that was part of what she was referring to. Somebody else suggested it. I just took exception to the idea.
But when has being dead ever stopped anyone in Salem from knowing about something. ;)
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Jan 27 2012, 10:28 AM
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I read the subtext with Marlena today loud and clear. When she told Jack he was one of the bravest people she knew, she meant it like he could face anything. Say like....raping someone and sticking around to not only face the consequences, but take responsibility for it and come out the other side a different person? DH played that perfectly!
For a man that is known for his running away he sure does stay and face some pretty horrible things.
Yeah, I can't really give credit to Jack for facing up to the consequences of RAPING his wife. That doesn't get kudos from me. Particularly when he tried to avoid facing any criminal sanctions and it took him well over a year to even admit he'd done anything wrong. So if Marlena was giving him a compliment for THAT? Then I've embarassed for her. Jack doesn't get to be portrayed as some kind of hero for having to deal with the consequences of violently raping his wife. It doesn't work that way for me. Jack earned his redemption and I loved watching that process. But accepting the consequences for what he did doesn't make him a hero. And those "horrible" things he was facing back then were his own doing. I kind of think what Kayla was facing was a little more horrible, but maybe that's just me.
I can't imagine that Marlena's "you're the bravest man I know" in the context of an episode about PTSD would have anything at all to do with the rape incident that happened years ago. Their therapy now is focused on PTSD, and this episode was set up solely to highlight the issue of war trauma. There was no dialogue or anything else that even suggested that this was being alluded to. It was an interesting thing for Marlena to say, especially since she'd just been in a room with war veterans who had been wounded in combat and/or who had saved their fellow soldiers.
I wouldn't read too much into it. She's probably said similar things to John and Roman and other people in her life over the years. But, in that moment, she was proud of Jack and acknowledging the incredible courage he'd shown in not only showing up but in opening up in front of that group -- something he'd earlier said he could never, ever do. It was a "good friend" thing to say, and I won't hold Marlena to it as being the gospel truth for her, nor will I try to parse the meaning too much. It was just a sweet and heartfelt moment between two people who'd just been through a moving and emotionally intense experience. And that was plenty.
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Jan 27 2012, 10:34 AM
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Yeah, I can't really give credit to Jack for facing up to the consequences of RAPING his wife. That doesn't get kudos from me. Particularly when he tried to avoid facing any criminal sanctions and it took him well over a year to even admit he'd done anything wrong. So if Marlena was giving him a compliment for THAT? Then I've embarassed for her. Jack doesn't get to be portrayed as some kind of hero for having to deal with the consequences of violently raping his wife. It doesn't work that way for me. Jack earned his redemption and I loved watching that process. But accepting the consequences for what he did doesn't make him a hero. And those "horrible" things he was facing back then were his own doing. I kind of think what Kayla was facing was a little more horrible, but maybe that's just me.
I can't imagine that Marlena's "you're the bravest man I know" in the context of an episode about PTSD would have anything at all to do with the rape incident that happened years ago. Their therapy now is focused on PTSD, and this episode was set up solely to highlight the issue of war trauma. There was no dialogue or anything else that even suggested that this was being alluded to.
It was an interesting thing for Marlena to say, especially since she'd just been in a room with war veterans who had been wounded in combat and/or who had saved their fellow soldiers. I wouldn't read too much into it. She's probably said similar things to John and Roman and other people in her life over the years. But, in that moment, she was proud of Jack and acknowledging the incredible courage he'd shown in not only showing up but in opening up in front of that group -- something he'd earlier said he could never, ever do. It was a "good friend" thing to say, and I won't hold Marlena to it as being the gospel truth for her, nor will I try to parse the meaning too much. It was just a sweet and heartfelt moment between two people who'd just been through a moving and emotionally intense experience. And that was plenty. To be clear: I'm not in any way objecting to Marlena telling Jack that he the bravest man she knows because he is facing his PTSD. I get that it's hyperbole in the moment and it's fine. What I objected to was the suggestion that Jack was brave and heroic for facing the consequences of his own actions in raping Kayla and, tied to that, the idea that Marlena was referencing that bravery in her statement.
That's all.
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Jan 27 2012, 11:31 AM
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I will be the odd man out here on this. Since those were actual Vets suffering from PTSD I think Days trivialized their problems by having an actor pretend to have suffered like they truly did.
I think it would have had more impact if Jack would have shut up and listened.
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Jan 27 2012, 11:41 AM
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I will be the odd man out here on this. Since those were actual Vets suffering from PTSD I think Days trivialized their problems by having an actor pretend to have suffered like they truly did.
I think it would have had more impact if Jack would have shut up and listened. Actually, this same view was expressed earlier in this thread. While I understand it, I have several reasons why I feel differently. So as not to repeat myself, I'll just point to my response in post#134 on p.9.
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^Well, in the context of the show, Marlena and all the others wanted Jack to tell his story, so he did. Not like he was saying, "Shut up, all y 'all. Here's what happened to me." Besides, Jack is the character whose story we're following, so if all we got was Jack listening to all of the others, it wouldn't really be Days along with a bit of a public service announcement, it would just be a public service announcement. Anyway, as others have mentioned, fictional characters do deal with real issues all the time. We don't toss out Philadelphia or Saving Private Ryan because Tom Hanks doesn't have AIDS and isn't really a soldier. But I guess your issue was juxtaposing Jack with the real vets, and I can understand that, but think the vets were probably pleased to have the show highlight the issue. And they were also reading from scripts. I think the show just wanted to add an extra layer of credibility to the real issue by bringing in some real vets.
I was a bit worried that the show would come off cheesy and seem to trivialize the whole thing, but I think Days pulled it off nicely. But I love Jack, so I suppose I'm more prone to be accepting of it the whole thing.
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I FINALLY got to see the scenes!!!! I don't need to repeat what everyone else has said, so I will try to share some other thoughts. I thought Culliton did a really great job! I was impressed that he was able to write distinctive characters for the therapy session - and they each had their own arc during the episode. You got a sense of them as a group, and how they individually reacted to the new member - Jack. And the series of hugs at the end was beautiful and perfect. Loved MA's acting choices, like the slow shredding of his paper cup, jumping at Paco's touch, etc. But I also want to give KUDOS to Deidre Hall! She and Matt Ashford work so well together, even though they have very different acting styles and characters. Deidre didn't have many lines - but she is amazing with her reactions!! Completely grounded, listening without condescending - simple, elegant and strong. She just exudes warmth and compassion. I really love the friendship that is developing between Jack and Marlena. But I don't think I see Marlena throwing down with Jennifer over her treatment with Jack. That doesn't seem Marlena's style - unless she is dealing with someone intentionally evil like the DiMeras. I think overall, Marlena is not judgmental and understands human frailty. And I don't think she would break patient confidentiality by screaming at Jennifer. I will leave that to Nicole :-) :wub:Also, I really loved this scene, but I don't think I need to see more group therapy sessions. It was so powerful as a stand alone episode. I'd be happy to hear that Jack is continuing group therapy - but I don't need to see the sessions. When I say I want more of the PTSD story line - I don't mean that I want to see Jack having the same conversations over and over again about PTSD - like how MarDar write all of their other "stories." I mean that I want to see how Jack deals with PTSD as he builds his life. That said, I would be happy to see any of the actors/vets again - meeting Jack outside of therapy. Having coffee, or running into him at the HTS. We'd get a sense of the bond shared between the characters, but also allow for other conversation/action. And as for Pat, I can see Jack and Pat maybe getting closer. Some healing and maybe a slight re-bound thing. But I don't think Jack would take it too far. He would know that it's re-bound and wouldn't want to use Pat that way. It will take him a while to get over Jennifer. Unlike his ex-wife, he doesn't fall in love easily. She has been his ONLY love for almost a quarter century. When he said "I just want to go back home" - it was like a dagger in my heart. Jennifer has always been "home" for Jack. Now Jack has to find his center again, without Jennifer. But I would be thrilled to see some Jack/Pat and Jack with anyone else! This was a real treat. I thank Meng for dreaming up this episode. And I thank Culliton, DH, MA and most importantly the vets on the show, and all the vets who have served our country. And I am soooo grateful that Dannifer wasn't anywhere near this episode!!!!!! :cheer: ITA, but I can't help but think the Jack/Pat thing if they pursue it could turn into something more real. I mean Jack is rebuilding his life and trying to find who he is again...and Jennifer just abandoned him when he really needed her. I think that spending more time with someone so brave and truly understands and relates to what he's been through (a life changing experience) and someone he can grow stronger with....they really could build on a nice real love story here. I have to hope that Pat wasn't an original part of the vets episode and they put her in there to chem test the two of them...and may pursue it as part of the rewrites????
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I sure a whole Pat & Jack thing might be nice, especially for Jack. But honestly I don't want to start seeing "PACK" in reference to the two. (please Days gods let Jen find her way back to Jack for the sake of avoiding another idiotic name combo...)
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I will be the odd man out here on this. Since those were actual Vets suffering from PTSD I think Days trivialized their problems by having an actor pretend to have suffered like they truly did.
I think it would have had more impact if Jack would have shut up and listened. Add me to the odd man out list but for a different reason. I was not impressed at all with MA. I wasn't able to be pulled into the scenes because instead of seeing and feeling Jack's pain, all I saw was MA acting. I was not impressed at all. There was no depth, just surface acting IMO.
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- Jan 27 2012, 01:14 AM
I FINALLY got to see the scenes!!!! I don't need to repeat what everyone else has said, so I will try to share some other thoughts. I thought Culliton did a really great job! I was impressed that he was able to write distinctive characters for the therapy session - and they each had their own arc during the episode. You got a sense of them as a group, and how they individually reacted to the new member - Jack. And the series of hugs at the end was beautiful and perfect. Loved MA's acting choices, like the slow shredding of his paper cup, jumping at Paco's touch, etc. But I also want to give KUDOS to Deidre Hall! She and Matt Ashford work so well together, even though they have very different acting styles and characters. Deidre didn't have many lines - but she is amazing with her reactions!! Completely grounded, listening without condescending - simple, elegant and strong. She just exudes warmth and compassion. I really love the friendship that is developing between Jack and Marlena. But I don't think I see Marlena throwing down with Jennifer over her treatment with Jack. That doesn't seem Marlena's style - unless she is dealing with someone intentionally evil like the DiMeras. I think overall, Marlena is not judgmental and understands human frailty. And I don't think she would break patient confidentiality by screaming at Jennifer. I will leave that to Nicole :-) :wub:Also, I really loved this scene, but I don't think I need to see more group therapy sessions. It was so powerful as a stand alone episode. I'd be happy to hear that Jack is continuing group therapy - but I don't need to see the sessions. When I say I want more of the PTSD story line - I don't mean that I want to see Jack having the same conversations over and over again about PTSD - like how MarDar write all of their other "stories." I mean that I want to see how Jack deals with PTSD as he builds his life. That said, I would be happy to see any of the actors/vets again - meeting Jack outside of therapy. Having coffee, or running into him at the HTS. We'd get a sense of the bond shared between the characters, but also allow for other conversation/action. And as for Pat, I can see Jack and Pat maybe getting closer. Some healing and maybe a slight re-bound thing. But I don't think Jack would take it too far. He would know that it's re-bound and wouldn't want to use Pat that way. It will take him a while to get over Jennifer. Unlike his ex-wife, he doesn't fall in love easily. She has been his ONLY love for almost a quarter century. When he said "I just want to go back home" - it was like a dagger in my heart. Jennifer has always been "home" for Jack. Now Jack has to find his center again, without Jennifer. But I would be thrilled to see some Jack/Pat and Jack with anyone else! This was a real treat. I thank Meng for dreaming up this episode. And I thank Culliton, DH, MA and most importantly the vets on the show, and all the vets who have served our country. And I am soooo grateful that Dannifer wasn't anywhere near this episode!!!!!! :cheer:
ITA, but I can't help but think the Jack/Pat thing if they pursue it could turn into something more real. I mean Jack is rebuilding his life and trying to find who he is again...and Jennifer just abandoned him when he really needed her. I think that spending more time with someone so brave and truly understands and relates to what he's been through (a life changing experience) and someone he can grow stronger with....they really could build on a nice real love story here. I have to hope that Pat wasn't an original part of the vets episode and they put her in there to chem test the two of them...and may pursue it as part of the rewrites???? I've been thinking of the possibility of more between Jack and Pat (and that's hard, because I still hold out hope that the real Jennifer will come back some day).
But in any case, I'm reminded of that time when Mickey met Maggie. He was heartbroken and devastated after learning of the affair between his brother Bill and his wife Laura. I was just a little girl then so the details are fuzzy, but I remember feeling upset along with him that his life seemed over. And then he met Maggie. She was broken, too. Slowly, hesitantly, they healed each other, and it was a touching storyline from many aspects.
Anyway, for whatever reason, there's a little something about Pat who reminds me of that younger version of Maggie. She seems full of sympathy and understanding, which can feel like a balm to Jack's wounded spirit (and to those of us who feel for him and what he's going through.)
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Jan 27 2012, 06:54 PM
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I just want to see the PTSD scenes, is there a place where they are available?
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