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SOD & SOW: Jack and Jen Clash/ More Drama For Abigail; 2/07/12 Issues
Topic Started: Jan 26 2012, 03:13 PM (8,423 Views)
jane1978


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Jan 27 2012, 04:45 AM
If written well, I wouldn't be opposed to a Dannifer wedding. Something new we haven't seen before. It would be interesting to see how Jack reacts to this..second...Finally the f****** heartache over being separated from one another is over...then they'll be pretty much STUCK together. Let them and their fans basque in boredom. Finally it would mean that Jack is free and we can finally see him live his life and interact with other characters..possibly find a love interest of his own. SOOO over jack and Jenn.
I´m all for Dannifer engagement, wedding, affair, just anything which moves us from the Jennifer is torn theritory, but I´m really not sure the engagment is them. Daniel is back on Monday February 27 and the sweeps will be already over. And the SOD previews says Jennifer is not sure where she stands with Daniel which seems more like he returns and is fully ready to leave Jen behind, not jumps her with a marriage. She wasn´t even able to give him clear answer about living together, let alone marriage. Plus, Missy seems to be in a bad mood lately, even agreeing with fans the writing for her sucks. I´m sure she would be overjoyed if the show finally made clear they are commited to Dannifer and Jennifer was redying for their wedding in her scripts.
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Romancer66


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Jan 27 2012, 06:06 AM
sals4
Jan 27 2012, 04:45 AM
If written well, I wouldn't be opposed to a Dannifer wedding. Something new we haven't seen before. It would be interesting to see how Jack reacts to this..second...Finally the f****** heartache over being separated from one another is over...then they'll be pretty much STUCK together. Let them and their fans basque in boredom. Finally it would mean that Jack is free and we can finally see him live his life and interact with other characters..possibly find a love interest of his own. SOOO over jack and Jenn.
I´m all for Dannifer engagement, wedding, affair, just anything which moves us from the Jennifer is torn theritory, but I´m really not sure the engagment is them. Daniel is back on Monday February 27 and the sweeps will be already over. And the SOD previews says Jennifer is not sure where she stands with Daniel which seems more like he returns and is fully ready to leave Jen behind, not jumps her with a marriage. She wasn´t even able to give him clear answer about living together, let alone marriage. Plus, Missy seems to be in a bad mood lately, even agreeing with fans the writing for her sucks. I´m sure she would be overjoyed if the show finally made clear they are commited to Dannifer and Jennifer was redying for their wedding in her scripts.
On reflection, I think I agree. Daniel has dumped/walked away from Jennifer five times in four months, and they weren't even co-habitating, let alone mulling wedding dates. So a marriage proposal at this point would be a total 180 for him. Not saying it couldn't happen, but it seems unlikely and out of the blue.

Also, SC tweeted something about coming back to cause more mischief and mayhem on the show. He was probably joking to a large extent, but mischief and mayhem wouldn't seem the natural provenance of a character gearing up for matrimony with St. Jen-Jen. It appears more in character for Daniel to come back fancy-free and eager to play the field, rather than embark on another go-round with a wishy-washy ninny who's no closer to making a decision on her love life than she was almost five months ago. Who wouldn't want to move on from that? This version of Jennifer's not that special.
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I dont think Jen and Daniel will get engaged anytime soon. SC comes back the last couple days of February and their relationship is at a question. I think the SOD spoilers were talking about Brady/Madison and maybe a renewal for EJOLE or something...
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lore


After yesterday's episode with Jack and the vets, I would be okay with Jennifer marrying Daniel. Jack is waaaayyyy beyond Jennifer. He's mature, brave, and strong. He will swallow his pride and leap far out of his comfort zone for his children--while Jennifer can't think beyond her own drama.

Jennifer can't ever hope to be good enough for Jack. She needs to be far away. Just seeing her next to Jack in pictures, at this point, makes me cringe. Jack is out of her league and shouldn't even share the same picture frame with the little idiot.
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Romancer66


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Jan 27 2012, 12:58 PM
After yesterday's episode with Jack and the vets, I would be okay with Jennifer marrying Daniel. Jack is waaaayyyy beyond Jennifer. He's mature, brave, and strong. He will swallow his pride and leap far out of his comfort zone for his children--while Jennifer can't think beyond her own drama.

Jennifer can't ever hope to be good enough for Jack. She needs to be far away. Just seeing her next to Jack in pictures, at this point, makes me cringe. Jack is out of her league and shouldn't even share the same picture frame with the little idiot.
This Jennifer is a walking compendium of negative traits: she's not strong, spunky, proactive, smart, decisive, loyal, brave, principled, or even that kind. She's compromised all the qualities that used to make her such a likable and rootable character. Jack in his present incarnation is indeed way beyond her, and she's got a hell of a lot of catching up to do to be even considered good enough for him now.

I'll be brutally honest, and say I don't want her to go off and be happy with Daniel, mainly because after her bitchfest to Jack about not wanting him because he wasn't "a happy man," I don't want to see her with any man, happy or otherwise. Let her live with herself, all by herself--that's the worst punishment I can think of at this point. Yes, I'm vindictive that way.
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Dreamer
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I am thinking Jen's real reason for not wanting Abby to model, is more about her own fears and fears of losing her daughter. Jen needs to accept that Abby is grown up, she's 20 for f-sakes. Jen doesn't want to be alone, so instead of being supportive, she pushes Abby away, giving her an ultimatum, in hopes that she will understand Jen's concerns and want to stay at home. Obviously, Jen doesn't know much about her own kids. Looking forward to this epi. Time for Abigail to move out and go home with her father. :cart:
Edited by Dreamer, Jan 27 2012, 02:02 PM.
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MyHappyEnding


So that spoiler awhile back that said someone was ready to move forward in their relationship while someone else wasn't so sure...was that specifically directed at J&J or was it ambiguous?

If it was ambiguous then I'm thinking it's Daniel and Jennifer. Daniel returns and since she and Jack are now at odds over Abby, she runs to Daniel. She tells him she's ready to commit and move in together but he balks. He returns and tells her he's not so sure that's a great idea and that they can date or whatever but he's not making any promises. Then after Jennifer realizes she's lost Daniel she runs to Jack only to see him with Pat and the final realization that she really DID lose them both sets in.
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AHM


^It was Jack/Jennifer specific, I think.
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MyHappyEnding
Jan 27 2012, 02:26 PM
So that spoiler awhile back that said someone was ready to move forward in their relationship while someone else wasn't so sure...was that specifically directed at J&J or was it ambiguous?

If it was ambiguous then I'm thinking it's Daniel and Jennifer. Daniel returns and since she and Jack are now at odds over Abby, she runs to Daniel. She tells him she's ready to commit and move in together but he balks. He returns and tells her he's not so sure that's a great idea and that they can date or whatever but he's not making any promises. Then after Jennifer realizes she's lost Daniel she runs to Jack only to see him with Pat and the final realization that she really DID lose them both sets in.
Here's the actual quote from SOD's 2012 preview:

Jennifer/Jack: "Jennifer and Jack are still in a place where I'm not sure they're ready to be back together again. Maybe one of them is ready, but the other one is not sure it's right."

So yeah it specifically refers to Jack & Jennifer. Not sure how that fits in their current non-relationship situation though
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annie21


^I suppose we should consider it significant that that entire preview statement from Marlene was about Jack and Jennifer instead of Jennifer with Daniel. But that little tidbit is not really all that comforting in the scheme of things.

Earlier, I speculated that Daniel would come tearing back into town saying his time away had made him realize he couldn't live without Jennifer and that he was ready to do whatever it takes -- even offer marriage. I further speculated that Jennifer would literally be swept off her feet and happy to accept.

I said that because my thought was the overly elaborate goodbye seemed to be setting up a splashy return complete with a grandiose gesture. It is possible that the writers originally intended to go down that road.

But I also said that the rewrites are likely to ditch those plans. I agree with those here that there won't be a Dannifer wedding/proposal now. In fact, if TPTB have been listening at all, they should be fully prepared to just drop the entire triangle debacle.

The question is, what will they put in its place? I hope they don't just hurriedly gloss over what happened and move right on to something else while leaving a bunch of unanswered questions and quite a few loose ends. But that may be what we get -- a jumbled mess. Of course, that's pretty much what it is now!

MR tweeted a while ago (after SC's return) that she was shooting several scenes in a row with him. But it's not clear whether those were pre- or post- re-writes.

At the very least, I hope Daniel stays far away from the Deveraux family when it comes to the upcoming stuff with Abigail and Austin. He has no business getting mixed up in it at all. We all know he has first-hand experience when it comes to scheming to seduce a person away from a spouse and break up a marriage. Therefore, he's not someone I'd want involved in giving any kind of advice and counsel to Abigail in this situation with Austin and Carrie.






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Now that we know the other spoilers, about Abigail's actions regarding Austin, I feel more and more like Jennifer's behavior is supposed to be right, and tough love, and when they find out what she did to Austin, the writing will have it vindicating Jennifer and Jack will be the stooge/making up for bad parenting.
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annie21
Jan 27 2012, 05:58 PM
^I suppose we should consider it significant that that entire preview statement from Marlene was about Jack and Jennifer instead of Jennifer with Daniel. But that little tidbit is not really all that comforting in the scheme of things.

Earlier, I speculated that Daniel would come tearing back into town saying his time away had made him realize he couldn't live without Jennifer and that he was ready to do whatever it takes -- even offer marriage. I further speculated that Jennifer would literally be swept off her feet and happy to accept.

I said that because my thought was the overly elaborate goodbye seemed to be setting up a splashy return complete with a grandiose gesture. It is possible that the writers originally intended to go down that road.

But I also said that the rewrites are likely to ditch those plans. I agree with those here that there won't be a Dannifer wedding/proposal now. In fact, if TPTB have been listening at all, they should be fully prepared to just drop the entire triangle debacle.

The question is, what will they put in its place? I hope they don't just hurriedly gloss over what happened and move right on to something else while leaving a bunch of unanswered questions and quite a few loose ends. But that may be what we get -- a jumbled mess. Of course, that's pretty much what it is now!

MR tweeted a while ago (after SC's return) that she was shooting several scenes in a row with him. But it's not clear whether those were pre- or post- re-writes.

At the very least, I hope Daniel stays far away from the Deveraux family when it comes to the upcoming stuff with Abigail and Austin. He has no business getting mixed up in it at all. We all know he has first-hand experience when it comes to scheming to seduce a person away from a spouse and break up a marriage. Therefore, he's not someone I'd want involved in giving any kind of advice and counsel to Abigail in this situation with Austin and Carrie.






Well I'm wondering that since the Feb sweeps spoiler is saying Jack has backed away then maybe the wording of this one is deliberate. Maybe it isn't Jack that's the one who's ready? Not that I think Jennifer is but if she suggests it and Jack rejects the idea then that could be why when Daniel returns she's focused back on where she stands with him (I know I'm probably grasping at straws here hoping that Jack is the one that nixes the idea)
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Jan 27 2012, 06:07 PM
Now that we know the other spoilers, about Abigail's actions regarding Austin, I feel more and more like Jennifer's behavior is supposed to be right, and tough love, and when they find out what she did to Austin, the writing will have it vindicating Jennifer and Jack will be the stooge/making up for bad parenting.
Yep, I still see no indication of Jennifer taking a fall. Based on that Kate Mansi interview, Abby's behavior is clearly going to be blamed entirely on Jack.
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Jan 27 2012, 06:13 PM
CarlD2
Jan 27 2012, 06:07 PM
Now that we know the other spoilers, about Abigail's actions regarding Austin, I feel more and more like Jennifer's behavior is supposed to be right, and tough love, and when they find out what she did to Austin, the writing will have it vindicating Jennifer and Jack will be the stooge/making up for bad parenting.
Yep, I still see no indication of Jennifer taking a fall. Based on that Kate Mansi interview, Abby's behavior is clearly going to be blamed entirely on Jack.
I get the feeling they have decided Jennifer is hated, so they need to bring everyone else down below her level in order to make fans like her. Abby and Jack pay the price for her unpopularity.
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Romancer66


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Jan 27 2012, 06:07 PM
Now that we know the other spoilers, about Abigail's actions regarding Austin, I feel more and more like Jennifer's behavior is supposed to be right, and tough love, and when they find out what she did to Austin, the writing will have it vindicating Jennifer and Jack will be the stooge/making up for bad parenting.
But Abigail's behavior has nothing to do with the modeling gig and everything to do with her inappropriate fixation with Austin, of which both her parents are unaware. If there was no modeling gig, she'd have tried something else to get his attention. Besides which, it looks like things fall apart between Austin and Carrie before Abigail even sets foot in front of a camera.

Finally, Jennifer is in no position to claim the moral high ground over Jack or Abigail since she's abandoning her own principles to help Abe win the election. It may be by default, but Jack may ultimately end up being the voice of reason and ethics in this family.
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Jan 27 2012, 06:13 PM
CarlD2
Jan 27 2012, 06:07 PM
Now that we know the other spoilers, about Abigail's actions regarding Austin, I feel more and more like Jennifer's behavior is supposed to be right, and tough love, and when they find out what she did to Austin, the writing will have it vindicating Jennifer and Jack will be the stooge/making up for bad parenting.
Yep, I still see no indication of Jennifer taking a fall. Based on that Kate Mansi interview, Abby's behavior is clearly going to be blamed entirely on Jack.
See that's bull to me. Jack is supporting her modeling career. He's telling her to be a model. Not be-a-model-so-you-can-screw-Austin. Jack doesn't even know about Austin. So for anyone to blame Jack later is beyond ludicrous when her job has nothing to do with her personal life. And if anyone should be held responsible it's Austin and Abigail. Her for chasing after a married man and him for getting involved with a girl young enough to be his daughter. Abigail is a grown ass woman, she needs to learn actions have consequences. A lesson her mother has yet to learn.
Edited by LanaluvsBroe, Jan 27 2012, 06:21 PM.
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You're right, but it seems odd to me Jennifer is washing her hands of Abigail right before Abigail fully becomes a dark character. Jack is supporting her during this time. I just wonder if this is supposed to be interpreted as Jennifer is in the right, and Jack not taking a hard line means he's just a bad father, making up for more mistakes, Jennifer is the parent who truly knew what was best, etc.

I hope it doesn't play out that way, because this type of point-scoring material destroys all characters, but I wonder.
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Jan 27 2012, 06:22 PM
You're right, but it seems odd to me Jennifer is washing her hands of Abigail right before Abigail fully becomes a dark character. Jack is supporting her during this time. I just wonder if this is supposed to be interpreted as Jennifer is in the right, and Jack not taking a hard line means he's just a bad father, making up for more mistakes, Jennifer is the parent who truly knew what was best, etc.

I hope it doesn't play out that way, because this type of point-scoring material destroys all characters, but I wonder.
I don't think Jennifer is washing her hands of Abigail, just threatening to, and no, I don't think it's going to turn out that she was right about not wanting Abigail to become a model. Because what happens between Abigail and Austin ultimately has nothing to do with modeling, and everything to do with her little fantasy getting out of hand. That's not Jack's fault, or Jennifer's, either, for that matter. They're probably going to have to pull together as a family to get through this crisis, and I hope they realize the blame game isn't going to help with that.
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Jan 27 2012, 06:22 PM
You're right, but it seems odd to me Jennifer is washing her hands of Abigail right before Abigail fully becomes a dark character. Jack is supporting her during this time. I just wonder if this is supposed to be interpreted as Jennifer is in the right, and Jack not taking a hard line means he's just a bad father, making up for more mistakes, Jennifer is the parent who truly knew what was best, etc.

I hope it doesn't play out that way, because this type of point-scoring material destroys all characters, but I wonder.
I see your point but I see Jennifer's actions as more over the top out of character just like what she is doing in the election. I don't know if the writers are purposly setting Jennifer up for a fall but it sure seems like it. Her actions seem more like a device to drive a wedge between Abby and Jennifer making Jennifer feel more alone then ever; no husband, no boyfriend, no kids. That hasn't happened on screen since what her birth?!
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annie21


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Jan 27 2012, 06:22 PM
You're right, but it seems odd to me Jennifer is washing her hands of Abigail right before Abigail fully becomes a dark character. Jack is supporting her during this time. I just wonder if this is supposed to be interpreted as Jennifer is in the right, and Jack not taking a hard line means he's just a bad father, making up for more mistakes, Jennifer is the parent who truly knew what was best, etc.

I hope it doesn't play out that way, because this type of point-scoring material destroys all characters, but I wonder.
I have to say that thought did cross my mind when the article said this: "Jack intervenes on Abigail's behalf and notes that he and Jen have raised their daughter to make good choices."

Neither Jack nor Jennifer knows that in fact their daughter is making some decidedly bad choices when it comes to Austin. So I could see where Jack's take on the modeling matter might come back around and be thrown in his face.

The show doesn't seem capable of casting Jennifer in a bad light. They'll find a way to have her (and everybody else around her with the possible exception of Abby) justify her own shady actions in the election.

There's no real sign yet that Jennifer is headed for a major fall, but one can hope.

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