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SOD & SOW: Jack and Jen Clash/ More Drama For Abigail; 2/07/12 Issues
Topic Started: Jan 26 2012, 03:13 PM (6,642 Views)
Romancer66


annie21
Jan 27 2012, 06:28 PM
CarlD2
Jan 27 2012, 06:22 PM
You're right, but it seems odd to me Jennifer is washing her hands of Abigail right before Abigail fully becomes a dark character. Jack is supporting her during this time. I just wonder if this is supposed to be interpreted as Jennifer is in the right, and Jack not taking a hard line means he's just a bad father, making up for more mistakes, Jennifer is the parent who truly knew what was best, etc.

I hope it doesn't play out that way, because this type of point-scoring material destroys all characters, but I wonder.
I have to say that thought did cross my mind when the article said this: "Jack intervenes on Abigail's behalf and notes that he and Jen have raised their daughter to make good choices."

Neither Jack nor Jennifer knows that in fact their daughter is making some decidedly bad choices when it comes to Austin. So I could see where Jack's take on the modeling matter might come back around and be thrown in his face.

The show doesn't seem capable of casting Jennifer in a bad light. They'll find a way to have her (and everybody else around her with the possible exception of Abby) justify her own shady actions in the election.

There's no real sign yet that Jennifer is headed for a major fall, but one can hope.

Whether intentional or not, Jennifer is coming across badly. From her treatment of Jack, to her waffling over which man to choose, to her getting caught up in dirty politics, to her issuing ultimatums to Abigail, she's misfiring on all cylinders. If the show hadn't had both Jack and Daniel dump her, or had Nicole taunt her about her incompetence and indecisiveness, or had her justifying underhanded tactics in her new job, I might share your view that the show will never, ever make Jennifer look bad.

But look at her now. The idea of her taking a bad fall no longer seems quite so unlikely. Personally, I hope it happens because she's overdue for some growth, however painful.
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Romancer66
Jan 27 2012, 06:40 PM
annie21
Jan 27 2012, 06:28 PM
CarlD2
Jan 27 2012, 06:22 PM
You're right, but it seems odd to me Jennifer is washing her hands of Abigail right before Abigail fully becomes a dark character. Jack is supporting her during this time. I just wonder if this is supposed to be interpreted as Jennifer is in the right, and Jack not taking a hard line means he's just a bad father, making up for more mistakes, Jennifer is the parent who truly knew what was best, etc.

I hope it doesn't play out that way, because this type of point-scoring material destroys all characters, but I wonder.
I have to say that thought did cross my mind when the article said this: "Jack intervenes on Abigail's behalf and notes that he and Jen have raised their daughter to make good choices."

Neither Jack nor Jennifer knows that in fact their daughter is making some decidedly bad choices when it comes to Austin. So I could see where Jack's take on the modeling matter might come back around and be thrown in his face.

The show doesn't seem capable of casting Jennifer in a bad light. They'll find a way to have her (and everybody else around her with the possible exception of Abby) justify her own shady actions in the election.

There's no real sign yet that Jennifer is headed for a major fall, but one can hope.

Whether intentional or not, Jennifer is coming across badly. From her treatment of Jack, to her waffling over which man to choose, to her getting caught up in dirty politics, to her issuing ultimatums to Abigail, she's misfiring on all cylinders. If the show hadn't had both Jack and Daniel dump her, or had Nicole taunt her about her incompetence and indecisiveness, or had her justifying underhanded tactics in her new job, I might share your view that the show will never, ever make Jennifer look bad.

But look at her now. The idea of her taking a bad fall no longer seems quite so unlikely. Personally, I hope it happens because she's overdue for some growth, however painful.
Oh, I agree they're making her look bad. And I completely agree that she's overdue for a come-uppance. What I meant is that I'm not convinced the show is going to acknowledge that Jennifer is behaving badly. They seem to keep giving her justifications and passes (by herself, Hope, Jack, Dan, and pretty much everybody else around her) for what she's doing. She sees herself as the poor, put-upon victim of all these circumstances -- and no one except Nicole (who is a bad girl herself) is calling her on her stuff.

As I said, we can only hope that this time (finally!) Jennifer will face up to her own flaws (and hear some home-truths from those around her whose opinions she actually cares about.)


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annie21
Jan 27 2012, 06:48 PM
Romancer66
Jan 27 2012, 06:40 PM
annie21
Jan 27 2012, 06:28 PM
CarlD2
Jan 27 2012, 06:22 PM
You're right, but it seems odd to me Jennifer is washing her hands of Abigail right before Abigail fully becomes a dark character. Jack is supporting her during this time. I just wonder if this is supposed to be interpreted as Jennifer is in the right, and Jack not taking a hard line means he's just a bad father, making up for more mistakes, Jennifer is the parent who truly knew what was best, etc.

I hope it doesn't play out that way, because this type of point-scoring material destroys all characters, but I wonder.
I have to say that thought did cross my mind when the article said this: "Jack intervenes on Abigail's behalf and notes that he and Jen have raised their daughter to make good choices."

Neither Jack nor Jennifer knows that in fact their daughter is making some decidedly bad choices when it comes to Austin. So I could see where Jack's take on the modeling matter might come back around and be thrown in his face.

The show doesn't seem capable of casting Jennifer in a bad light. They'll find a way to have her (and everybody else around her with the possible exception of Abby) justify her own shady actions in the election.

There's no real sign yet that Jennifer is headed for a major fall, but one can hope.

Whether intentional or not, Jennifer is coming across badly. From her treatment of Jack, to her waffling over which man to choose, to her getting caught up in dirty politics, to her issuing ultimatums to Abigail, she's misfiring on all cylinders. If the show hadn't had both Jack and Daniel dump her, or had Nicole taunt her about her incompetence and indecisiveness, or had her justifying underhanded tactics in her new job, I might share your view that the show will never, ever make Jennifer look bad.

But look at her now. The idea of her taking a bad fall no longer seems quite so unlikely. Personally, I hope it happens because she's overdue for some growth, however painful.
Oh, I agree they're making her look bad. And I completely agree that she's overdue for a come-uppance. What I meant is that I'm not convinced the show is going to acknowledge that Jennifer is behaving badly. They seem to keep giving her justifications and passes (by herself, Hope, Jack, Dan, and pretty much everybody else around her) for what she's doing. She sees herself as the poor, put-upon victim of all these circumstances -- and no one except Nicole (who is a bad girl herself) is calling her on her stuff.

As I said, we can only hope that this time (finally!) Jennifer will face up to her own flaws (and hear some home-truths from those around her whose opinions she actually cares about.)


True--Jen-Jen is surrounded by enablers. But I think that may/will end if her involvement in dirty politics is exposed, and Salem ends up with the very scenario Abe and Jennifer schemed to prevent: EJ as mayor. I'd say a lot of people are going to be angry, upset, and disappointed with both of them. Lexie won't be happy with Abe for deceiving her or for stooping to EJ's level. Abby will have something to throw in her mother's face when her own sins come to light, and Jack may be shocked and appalled to learn the woman he thinks of as incorruptible has thoroughly tarnished herself. Of course, he probably won't judge her and he'll go out of his way to help her, but he'll have to adjust his view of her all the same.
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Do we know for sure that Abigail is goign to become a "dark" character? And what's everyone's definition of dark here? I don't get Jen's ultimatum at all. It's just modeling. it's not like Abby sad she's going to quit college.
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oryfan
Jan 27 2012, 07:30 PM
Do we know for sure that Abigail is goign to become a "dark" character? And what's everyone's definition of dark here? I don't get Jen's ultimatum at all. It's just modeling. it's not like Abby sad she's going to quit college.
I'm basing it mostly on the upcoming Abigail/Austin spoilers, that and the way they go on using her relationship with Jack as justification for anything she does.
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CarlD2
Jan 27 2012, 07:37 PM
oryfan
Jan 27 2012, 07:30 PM
Do we know for sure that Abigail is goign to become a "dark" character? And what's everyone's definition of dark here? I don't get Jen's ultimatum at all. It's just modeling. it's not like Abby sad she's going to quit college.
I'm basing it mostly on the upcoming Abigail/Austin spoilers, that and the way they go on using her relationship with Jack as justification for anything she does.
Oh, ok. I just read the spoiler that says Abby makes Austin think they slept together (as in the same place/ber or sex?? :unsure:). Doesn't sound great, but I'll see how it plays out first. I don't necessarily see them trying to use Jack's absence as justification, but that's just me. I personally think Jack's absence, no matter how shoddy the writing around it was, is definitely somethign that's goign to affect her. I personally want to see more scenes of Jack and Abby. However, I haven't seen anything on the show yet that plays as Abby is crushing on Austin because she has daddy issues. I've only seen that played up in online discussions.
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LanaluvsBroe
Jan 27 2012, 06:20 PM
ChampagneRiver
Jan 27 2012, 06:13 PM
CarlD2
Jan 27 2012, 06:07 PM
Now that we know the other spoilers, about Abigail's actions regarding Austin, I feel more and more like Jennifer's behavior is supposed to be right, and tough love, and when they find out what she did to Austin, the writing will have it vindicating Jennifer and Jack will be the stooge/making up for bad parenting.
Yep, I still see no indication of Jennifer taking a fall. Based on that Kate Mansi interview, Abby's behavior is clearly going to be blamed entirely on Jack.
See that's bull to me. Jack is supporting her modeling career. He's telling her to be a model. Not be-a-model-so-you-can-screw-Austin. Jack doesn't even know about Austin. So for anyone to blame Jack later is beyond ludicrous when her job has nothing to do with her personal life. And if anyone should be held responsible it's Austin and Abigail. Her for chasing after a married man and him for getting involved with a girl young enough to be his daughter. Abigail is a grown ass woman, she needs to learn actions have consequences. A lesson her mother has yet to learn.
A little off-topic, but I disagree. The job -- in this case -- does have to do with her personal life.
It's well known that professional models are always around hot people and typically have lots of promiscuous sex and orgies.
Jen is right, here.
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annie21


oryfan
Jan 27 2012, 09:20 PM
CarlD2
Jan 27 2012, 07:37 PM
oryfan
Jan 27 2012, 07:30 PM
Do we know for sure that Abigail is goign to become a "dark" character? And what's everyone's definition of dark here? I don't get Jen's ultimatum at all. It's just modeling. it's not like Abby sad she's going to quit college.
I'm basing it mostly on the upcoming Abigail/Austin spoilers, that and the way they go on using her relationship with Jack as justification for anything she does.
Oh, ok. I just read the spoiler that says Abby makes Austin think they slept together (as in the same place/ber or sex?? :unsure:). Doesn't sound great, but I'll see how it plays out first. I don't necessarily see them trying to use Jack's absence as justification, but that's just me. I personally think Jack's absence, no matter how shoddy the writing around it was, is definitely somethign that's goign to affect her. I personally want to see more scenes of Jack and Abby. However, I haven't seen anything on the show yet that plays as Abby is crushing on Austin because she has daddy issues. I've only seen that played up in online discussions.
The main reason it's showing up in online discussions is because of statements made by the writers, by Missy, and by Kate in various interviews they've done with soap mags. They are the ones attributing Abby's fixation on Austin as being attributable to Jack's being gone so much from her life. They make it sound like he was "never" around and that it was always his choice, which is part of the reason for so much debate and discussion.

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annie21
Jan 27 2012, 09:47 PM
oryfan
Jan 27 2012, 09:20 PM
CarlD2
Jan 27 2012, 07:37 PM
oryfan
Jan 27 2012, 07:30 PM
Do we know for sure that Abigail is goign to become a "dark" character? And what's everyone's definition of dark here? I don't get Jen's ultimatum at all. It's just modeling. it's not like Abby sad she's going to quit college.
I'm basing it mostly on the upcoming Abigail/Austin spoilers, that and the way they go on using her relationship with Jack as justification for anything she does.
Oh, ok. I just read the spoiler that says Abby makes Austin think they slept together (as in the same place/ber or sex?? :unsure:). Doesn't sound great, but I'll see how it plays out first. I don't necessarily see them trying to use Jack's absence as justification, but that's just me. I personally think Jack's absence, no matter how shoddy the writing around it was, is definitely somethign that's goign to affect her. I personally want to see more scenes of Jack and Abby. However, I haven't seen anything on the show yet that plays as Abby is crushing on Austin because she has daddy issues. I've only seen that played up in online discussions.
The main reason it's showing up in online discussions is because of statements made by the writers, by Missy, and by Kate in various interviews they've done with soap mags. They are the ones attributing Abby's fixation on Austin as being attributable to Jack's being gone so much from her life. They make it sound like he was "never" around and that it was always his choice, which is part of the reason for so much debate and discussion.

I'd have to go back and read those interviews before commenting on on whichever ones you're talking about. In the ones I've read, I haven't seen Abby's crush being attributed to Jack's absence. Also, we all read things and percieve them in totally different ways. For instance, take the interview on here with KM, others think she attributing her character's crush to Jack's absence. I didn't get that from it and I'm not gettign that from the writing either.
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fritosguy
Jan 27 2012, 09:30 PM
LanaluvsBroe
Jan 27 2012, 06:20 PM
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Jan 27 2012, 06:13 PM
CarlD2
Jan 27 2012, 06:07 PM
Now that we know the other spoilers, about Abigail's actions regarding Austin, I feel more and more like Jennifer's behavior is supposed to be right, and tough love, and when they find out what she did to Austin, the writing will have it vindicating Jennifer and Jack will be the stooge/making up for bad parenting.
Yep, I still see no indication of Jennifer taking a fall. Based on that Kate Mansi interview, Abby's behavior is clearly going to be blamed entirely on Jack.
See that's bull to me. Jack is supporting her modeling career. He's telling her to be a model. Not be-a-model-so-you-can-screw-Austin. Jack doesn't even know about Austin. So for anyone to blame Jack later is beyond ludicrous when her job has nothing to do with her personal life. And if anyone should be held responsible it's Austin and Abigail. Her for chasing after a married man and him for getting involved with a girl young enough to be his daughter. Abigail is a grown ass woman, she needs to learn actions have consequences. A lesson her mother has yet to learn.
A little off-topic, but I disagree. The job -- in this case -- does have to do with her personal life.
It's well known that professional models are always around hot people and typically have lots of promiscuous sex and orgies.
Jen is right, here.
Jen is going by the worse case scenario. Just because some models do it doesn't mean Abby will. Abby has never been promiscuous or taken any drugs. Jack trusts his daughter to make wise choices with her life. I'm not going to hold that against him.
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I completely agree with Jennifer threatening to kick out Abigail if she takes that job as a pornography model. :moon:
It's disgustingly sad that Abigail has so little respect for herself and her sexuality to be pimping it out for money.
Oh, what? Abigail wants to model cosmetics, not cu..s and co..s? Then I don't get it. :shrug:
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Dreamer
Gone, But Not Forgotten!

If the election is over, and there is no Dannifer and no JnJ, what is going to happen to Jennifer Rose Horton? That is the big question.
I don't mind that Jack and Jen are in the same orbit, as they parent a lost Abby, but I don't want Jen to get a pass for her poor behaviour of Jack in the last few months. What she did needs to be addressed, if it is dropped, I will be really pissed. Seeing the Devereauxs come together as a family would be interesting, as long as they are not completely destroyed. I would like to see Jack guide his women, Abby and Jen, out of their dismal situations.

What do MARDAR have in store for Jennifer? I am not sure what SL they could throw her into, her own I guess.

Forcing Dannifer in a new SL is soap suicide, there is no where to go with it, unless they make it all about JnJ Angst. This would have been the most logical route, but fan backlash might be still be huge. I honestly think the whole triangle debacle was for the fans to telll Mardar where they wanted the SL to go. What they got was, fans wanting Jennifer to be alone and in much need of a redemption SL. Although I am pro JnJ, I would have enjoyed seeing a Dannifer Proposal and Engagemnt scenario over the next few months, laced with Jennifer guilt, dreams and flashback of her life and lots of JnJ angst. I would like to see Jennifer play the happy bride to be, convincing herself that Dan is the right man for her, while thoughts of Jack keep screaming in her head. To see her walk down the aisle, with hopes of Jack coming to save her once again, only to find out, he doesn't and she must save herself. This SL could allow for some real Jennifer growth and much needed damage control.
Edited by Dreamer, Jan 29 2012, 10:37 PM.
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Make EJ/Abby happen, DAYS!

melissablessed
Jan 27 2012, 11:32 PM
I completely agree with Jennifer threatening to kick out Abigail if she takes that job as a pornography model. :moon:
??? :huh:
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Why does KM continue to act like Jack was a dead beat dad or something? Does she not know the history of Abigail & Jack? UGH.

Yep Jennifer needs to go! I say this is a pod person, bring back the REAL Jennifer.
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I'm not a fan of Abigal but seriously Jennifer is going to the extreme here, its ridiculous!
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dragonflies
Jan 28 2012, 02:35 AM
Why does KM continue to act like Jack was a dead beat dad or something? Does she not know the history of Abigail & Jack? UGH.

Yep Jennifer needs to go! I say this is a pod person, bring back the REAL Jennifer.
Kate Mansi has proven time and time again that she's clueless.
Jack is not a deadbeat dad.
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Jan 28 2012, 08:56 PM
dragonflies
Jan 28 2012, 02:35 AM
Why does KM continue to act like Jack was a dead beat dad or something? Does she not know the history of Abigail & Jack? UGH.

Yep Jennifer needs to go! I say this is a pod person, bring back the REAL Jennifer.
Kate Mansi has proven time and time again that she's clueless.
Jack is not a deadbeat dad.
I can't put this on KM. I'm all for actors knowing their characters' history, but this is how it's being written right now and how it's been written since she came on board.
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lysie
Jan 28 2012, 09:05 PM
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Jan 28 2012, 08:56 PM
dragonflies
Jan 28 2012, 02:35 AM
Why does KM continue to act like Jack was a dead beat dad or something? Does she not know the history of Abigail & Jack? UGH.

Yep Jennifer needs to go! I say this is a pod person, bring back the REAL Jennifer.
Kate Mansi has proven time and time again that she's clueless.
Jack is not a deadbeat dad.
I can't put this on KM. I'm all for actors knowing their characters' history, but this is how it's being written right now and how it's been written since she came on board.
But even the story doesn't support that... he was a prisoner. There's no way -- and Kate should know it -- that Jack can be blamed for not being there. I don't care what the hack writers wrote... they contradicted themselves. Yes, they said he 'wasn't there' but they also said why. And it turned out, he was the victim!
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Jan 28 2012, 09:21 PM
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Jan 28 2012, 09:05 PM
fritosguy
Jan 28 2012, 08:56 PM
dragonflies
Jan 28 2012, 02:35 AM
Why does KM continue to act like Jack was a dead beat dad or something? Does she not know the history of Abigail & Jack? UGH.

Yep Jennifer needs to go! I say this is a pod person, bring back the REAL Jennifer.
Kate Mansi has proven time and time again that she's clueless.
Jack is not a deadbeat dad.
I can't put this on KM. I'm all for actors knowing their characters' history, but this is how it's being written right now and how it's been written since she came on board.
But even the story doesn't support that... he was a prisoner. There's no way -- and Kate should know it -- that Jack can be blamed for not being there. I don't care what the hack writers wrote... they contradicted themselves. Yes, they said he 'wasn't there' but they also said why. And it turned out, he was the victim!
I know it doesn't make sense, but it's still the perspective they seem to be taking. If that's not the perspective they're taking, then I don't know why there's so many posts every.single.day complaining about it.
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I can't put this on KM. I'm all for actors knowing their characters' history, but this is how it's being written right now and how it's been written since she came on board.
But even the story doesn't support that... he was a prisoner. There's no way -- and Kate should know it -- that Jack can be blamed for not being there. I don't care what the hack writers wrote... they contradicted themselves. Yes, they said he 'wasn't there' but they also said why. And it turned out, he was the victim!
I know it doesn't make sense, but it's still the perspective they seem to be taking. If that's not the perspective they're taking, then I don't know why there's so many posts every.single.day complaining about it.
I see what you're saying. And I get it. KM is just cowtowing with the perspective writers want Abby to have: that because her father was gone from her life for so long -- because he was a prisoner -- she has daddy issues.
The trouble is, that destroys the Abby character. It makes her a heartless, even anti-American (hello, Afghanistan) dumbass.
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