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Kate Mansi on Abigail... And Austin
Topic Started: Jan 27 2012, 12:59 AM (3,310 Views)
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CarlD2
Jan 27 2012, 02:38 PM
Mansi has some talent but is another person I tend to see "acting", and not see a character. Unfortunately they are twisting Abby into knots to suit the story - I don't quite get why. I also don't understand the need for a slate of mixed-up, emotionally damaged "bad girls". If it's because of Melanie, I don't think it works, because Melanie isn't all that sympathetic.
This so much when it comes to her on screen father as well. When I watch Jack going through his PTSD crises, I don't feel anything for the character because all I see is MA acting and it shatters the fourth wall and pulls me out of the scenes, so that I'm left critiquing the actor instead of getting engrossed in Jack's pain & suffering.
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annie21
Jan 27 2012, 02:13 PM
niki51586
Jan 27 2012, 04:03 AM
I actually liked this interview, bare with me here. I think KM is doing a good job of not trying to make Abby's action OK or forgivable. She can obviously see that her character is crossing the line but rather than giving Abby an excuse (cough cough Jennifer/MR) she gives an explanation. I too hate that everything is always Jack's fault but I get what KM is saying. Think about all the times Jack was away. When Jennifer left Africa for Ireland I'm sure she didn't explain that mommy was chasing after some man, she was a little kid all Abby knew is that her dad wasn't with her. Then he "died" she was supposed to be in her pre-teen years but that is when the SOARSed her to what 15? Anyway that was at least 1 almost 2 years without him. He comes back only to be diagnosed with an illness and then "dies" again in a car accident. Again she doesn't see him for almost a year and when he came back he was “dying” so for the third time in her life she got to experience going through the motions and emotions of watching her father “die”. Then after all that Jack and Jenn leave her for London. I know there weren’t any hard feelings there but you can argue they didn't deal with the past 3 years of deaths and dying. They finally get back to equilibrium in London and Jack leaves with a not so great explanation and she is forced to believe that her dad just left her again.

I know it wasn't always Jack's choice to be away and Abby is 20 and should understand that but she is still a kid. I doubt the past issues were ever really dealt with (we know how Jack and Jennifer work avoid until you can forget). I can follow KM and the writer's on this as long as after the Austin fiasco, Jack and Abby have a serious discussion about Jack's past and Abby voices her heartbreak over the many times she lost her dad. Even if he didn't leave her on purpose he was gone and for a kid at any age that’s what you know and it hurts. Don't forget we got to see the whole story Abby only gets what her parents allow her to see.
While I understand what you're saying, and can agree with much of it, the article still feels wrong to me in its tone and slant. It's nice to know that KM is putting some thought into her character portrayal, but much of it feels like whatever the actor's version of fanwanking is. (Actor-wanking?) Anyway, she and the writers are having to, if not actually re-write the Jack-Abigail history, then paint it with such broad strokes that it becomes a pretty serious distortion of the facts.

It doesn't help to know that they're basically trying to push their plot -- and defend their decision to put Abby with Austin. With the recent photo shoot showing an older, "vampy-er" Abigail, it's clear they're trying to catapult her out of the teen/younger set and into more adult storylines. To me, it's just sad that they're sacrificing what has always been to me one of the best onscreen father-daughter relationships I've seen in order to do it.

Also, they seem to be taking away some of Abigail's best qualities and turning her into someone I don't like. The character had potential to be a young heroine/ingenue in the tradition of young Marlena and young Jennifer. She was, to my mind, in every way, Alice's great-grand-daughter -- strong, smart, and morally centered. I don't mind having Abigail tested and dealing with issues, but I hope they don't take that core away from her character.

I do agree that they have been changing Abby's character. She was always the moral one and emotionally older for her age. Even with the whole website story she was the one who wanted to call the police and do the right thing. I hate that they are going to ruin her with this Austin thing but it is a show and drama is necessary. IMO anyone can fall as long as it is acknowledges and in line with their Character. I disagree with a lot of people on KM not only do I think she is a great actress but she really does seem to be a good mix of Jack and Jennifer. She can be very in control like Jack or fly of the handle like Jennifer. She seems to be hesitant to trust like Jack yet very loving like Jennifer. Her dialogue has also been pretty good, you can believe she is a smart girl with a good vocabulary and knows how to use it. As far as the Jack/Abby bond I think Mansi plays better off of Ashford then most of the other actresses with the exception of Megan Corletto. I really liked the scene when he tells her that she won the journalism award and after the kidnapping she ran to Jack not Jennifer. I much prefer they write more Jack/Abby scenes then Dan/Melanie scenes which always feel inappropriate to me.
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Aside from KM's comments on history that some may deem as a re write (me included, in some instances), I like the article. The rewrite is not the actresses fault. It's the shows fault. They've given her this history/perspective on her relationship with her dad and she's working with it. I like how she explains it and I like her comments about it not being an obsession. It's not so much that Abby has issues. It's that the things she's experienced in her relationships with the men in her life have left their mark and she carries that in her views and perspective on love and relationships. That's how I interpreted it anyways. I like that the actresses comments on the fact that Abby believes that the feelings need to be mutual, that she wants Austin to see her as a woman. It shows that Abby isn't delusional. She recognizes that she is the only one that has feelings in this. I don't want to see her go stalkerish, but I don't mind if she gets a little bold and bad, just a little. I personally think Carrie will take care of the hard part for her by cheating with Rafe. I can then see Abby taking advantage of that opening and working on Austin. I personally have no problem with that. I think the actress is doing a great job with this story. Sh eplays everything pitch perfect. She's not trying to sell us on teh character not steppign out of bounds. She recognizes that Abby is crushing on a married man and the writers show that in her scenes. I also think they are playing it smart and slow with the writing. I know everyone is so focused on the age difference, but I'm more focused on the story and Abby and Will's story really interest me right now.


Also, I don't think they are completely chanigng Abby. I feel like she's still the same person, but inevitably, she WILL change as most young adults do as they get older. It's only natural. However, I don't feel that she's crossed any lines yet that make her less moral. Having feelings for a married man doesn't make her an entirely different character. It happens to the best of characters. Then again, I don't find her to be judgemental or obsessive either. Also, the actress is what, 23? 24? She can't play in the teen box forever and I'm fine with them moving her into a new group. None of these teens are teens anyway. I also don't think the writers are tryign to justify Abby and Austin anymore than they tried to justify Ejami. It's a soap and this is a typical soap story. And even though I missed a lot fo the original Abby, I don't think that they've completely turned his relationship with Abby around. A lot can change between father and daughter especially over the time that Jack was gone. I think Abby and Jack are in a good place, but I'd love to see them share more scenes together for sure.
Edited by oryfan, Jan 27 2012, 07:03 PM.
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The article was a little strange to read (they should have edited it down to only 3 concise paragraphs), but I didn't mind what she had to say although I'm not sure why Jenn isn't taking any heat for Abby having relationship issues. Yes, Jack wasn't always there, but Jenn played a major role as well. I have to wonder what JJ is thinking right now.

KM is just trying to sell what the show is telling onscreen.
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oryfan, the new spoilers say that Austin gets drunk and Abby lets him (and maybe Carrie, too?) think that Abby and Austin spent the night together. Sorry, but that's crossing a line and going beyond an innocent crush. Lying and deliberately trying to break up someone's marriage is beyond the pale. I was okay with depicting a one-sided crush, but many of us were concerned that they were going to make Abby go mental or stalkerish or something. This is what I meant by saying I hope the writers don't mess with the core of who Abby is as a character. Obviously, they're toying around with doing just that.

:shame:

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annie21
Jan 27 2012, 09:01 PM
oryfan, the new spoilers say that Austin gets drunk and Abby lets him (and maybe Carrie, too?) think that Abby and Austin spent the night together. Sorry, but that's crossing a line and going beyond an innocent crush. Lying and deliberately trying to break up someone's marriage is beyond the pale. I was okay with depicting a one-sided crush, but many of us were concerned that they were going to make Abby go mental or stalkerish or something. This is what I meant by saying I hope the writers don't mess with the core of who Abby is as a character. Obviously, they're toying around with doing just that.

:shame:

I haven't read that spoiler. Doesn't sound good, but I'll wait until it plays out before I comment on it. Abby's one of my favorite characters, but even the "good" characters go bad and mess up sometimes. I'm not completely against her doing stuff like this. I hope it doesn't get too crazy though. We'll see.
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Speaking of Mansi's appearance...has anyone noticed that she actually resembles MR's daughter Emily quite a lot, whereas Benson looked a lot like MA's real life daughters...weird coincidence.
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LuvingLumi
Jan 27 2012, 08:31 AM
I am refusing to call her Abigail....she's ABBY, Kate...get it right.
Thank you for saying that. I HATE these writers for this mistake alone.
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annie21
Jan 27 2012, 09:01 PM
oryfan, the new spoilers say that Austin gets drunk and Abby lets him (and maybe Carrie, too?) think that Abby and Austin spent the night together. Sorry, but that's crossing a line and going beyond an innocent crush. Lying and deliberately trying to break up someone's marriage is beyond the pale. I was okay with depicting a one-sided crush, but many of us were concerned that they were going to make Abby go mental or stalkerish or something. This is what I meant by saying I hope the writers don't mess with the core of who Abby is as a character. Obviously, they're toying around with doing just that.

:shame:

I totally agree, and I was afraid the writers were going to go there with Abby. She's going from having a crush on an older guy to an obsessive young woman who may do whatever it takes to get Austin. That's not where I wanted to see the character go.
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magicsteacher
Jan 27 2012, 10:22 PM
annie21
Jan 27 2012, 09:01 PM
oryfan, the new spoilers say that Austin gets drunk and Abby lets him (and maybe Carrie, too?) think that Abby and Austin spent the night together. Sorry, but that's crossing a line and going beyond an innocent crush. Lying and deliberately trying to break up someone's marriage is beyond the pale. I was okay with depicting a one-sided crush, but many of us were concerned that they were going to make Abby go mental or stalkerish or something. This is what I meant by saying I hope the writers don't mess with the core of who Abby is as a character. Obviously, they're toying around with doing just that.

:shame:

I totally agree, and I was afraid the writers were going to go there with Abby. She's going from having a crush on an older guy to an obsessive young woman who may do whatever it takes to get Austin. That's not where I wanted to see the character go.
Exactly. They're making Abby into Sami 2.0.
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LanaluvsBroe
Jan 27 2012, 10:35 PM
magicsteacher
Jan 27 2012, 10:22 PM
annie21
Jan 27 2012, 09:01 PM
oryfan, the new spoilers say that Austin gets drunk and Abby lets him (and maybe Carrie, too?) think that Abby and Austin spent the night together. Sorry, but that's crossing a line and going beyond an innocent crush. Lying and deliberately trying to break up someone's marriage is beyond the pale. I was okay with depicting a one-sided crush, but many of us were concerned that they were going to make Abby go mental or stalkerish or something. This is what I meant by saying I hope the writers don't mess with the core of who Abby is as a character. Obviously, they're toying around with doing just that.

:shame:

I totally agree, and I was afraid the writers were going to go there with Abby. She's going from having a crush on an older guy to an obsessive young woman who may do whatever it takes to get Austin. That's not where I wanted to see the character go.
Exactly. They're making Abby into Sami 2.0.
It doesn't sound good. On the other hand, Abigail might be salvageable if her scheming stops with that one lie, and if her parents discover what she's done and insist that she make amends to those she's injured. Good co-parenting from Jack and Jennifer might mitigate the clusterfuck this situation is becoming. Jack seems poised to take the lead in parenting decisions anyway, and maybe Jen-Jen will pull her head out of Daniel's ass long enough to uphold her half of the responsibility.
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I'm interested to see this play out. I didn't get the vibe that "it's all because of Jack" for why she is acting this way but more that life experiences have taught to take a different approach to love. I certainly don't agree with it (getting a married is they key to finding happiness :huh: )but I would like to see where this leads. Judging from the spoilers from other articles, it will be some soapy places. Nice.
Edited by JamaicanBeauty7, Jan 27 2012, 11:31 PM.
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Jan 27 2012, 10:05 PM
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Jan 27 2012, 08:31 AM
I am refusing to call her Abigail....she's ABBY, Kate...get it right.
Thank you for saying that. I HATE these writers for this mistake alone.
Jack's always called her "Abigail" (instead of Abby) - same as he's always called Jennifer "Jennifer" and not "Jenn". Jennifer goes back and forth with Abby or Abigail.
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Bring back Jack!

^ I always loved that Jack was unique with being more or less the only one to call her "Abigail" . I guess they forgot that like they did the closeness between them.

I really hope this doesn't damage Abby too badly. I don't like they're having her do this to Austin (from the spoilers) and that she's taking pleasure in messing with his marriage (not that Carrie isn't gonna make her own mess). I just don't see Abby as being so vindictive or desperate (at least she never was before this current incarnation). I'm also thinking the recent scenes tweeted about that were taped with CC and PM aswell as Matt & Missy are the fallout from this whole thing - so maybe the truth is discovered fairly soon and she doesn't go completely nuts over it.
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Dany_E
Jan 28 2012, 08:50 PM
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Jan 27 2012, 10:05 PM
LuvingLumi
Jan 27 2012, 08:31 AM
I am refusing to call her Abigail....she's ABBY, Kate...get it right.
Thank you for saying that. I HATE these writers for this mistake alone.
Jack's always called her "Abigail" (instead of Abby) - same as he's always called Jennifer "Jennifer" and not "Jenn". Jennifer goes back and forth with Abby or Abigail.
You are absolutely right! Abigail is what Jack has always called his daughter. It's part of their special relationship/connection. Jennifer would use both Abby and Abigail, and back in the day, she used to call her Baby, in 2001-2004, and that drove me nuts. This is not rocket science folks, these writers, actors... who ever, need to get their shit straight.
Edited by Dreamer, Jan 29 2012, 12:06 AM.
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Sorry, but I wasn't paying attention earlier to the source of this article. It was only today, when I paid a rare visit to the Days website, that I noticed it's from their front page. Wow. I am even more disappointed in the tone and slant of this article. A closer look really shows the bias of the author regarding Jack.

The author (who represents the show) says things like:

-- Abigail's reaction is natural, and it also stems from her past, and her difficult relationship with her father. She loves Jack very much, but he hasn't been the most reliable of parents, which has helped her to develop some serious trust issues

-- And no one likes to feel like a fool, even when you have a jester for a father!

Ouch. Somehow, knowing that this kind of language comes from the show (and not some outside soap mag writer) is not reassuring. For those who were doubting, it's this kind of stuff that indicates to me the show's intent to make Abigail's obsession with Austin to be tied to her "daddy issues."

Fortunately, we have Kate's take, which isn't nearly as harsh on Jack and his relationship with Abby as the show itself: "They have that incredible father-daughter bond that when they drive each other crazy they can laugh and say 'I still love you and we're going to work at this.'"

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^Didn't realize it was from Days either, there goes any hope I had for a good Jack storyline. I swear the are allergic to success over there unless is has to do with being a succesful failure they sure are good at that.
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niki51586
Jan 29 2012, 07:23 PM
^Didn't realize it was from Days either, there goes any hope I had for a good Jack storyline. I swear the are allergic to success over there unless is has to do with being a succesful failure they sure are good at that.
As long as the git who wrote this article isn't writing any of the scripts, we may not need to abandon hope entirely. And if the vets episode has gone over as well as it appears, there may come a change in the way those doing the press for the show present Jack. Because response in the soap press to the more serious incarnation of Jack has been very favorable--SOD and SOW have both singled out MA for bringing out this darker, more sober side to the character. Honestly, except for the cake and tree falls (which took place three months apart), we really haven't seen "Jester" Jack this time around. And considering that both Jack's ex-wife and daughter are losing their moral compass at about the same time, I don't think we'll be seeing his comedic side again any time soon. He'll have to keep both of these women he loves (even when they don't deserve it) from destroying their lives--one over an election, the other over a married man.
Edited by Romancer66, Jan 29 2012, 08:27 PM.
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