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Lisa De Cazotte debuts as Co-EP on Monday 1/30/12; Per Canadian day-ahead credits
Topic Started: Jan 27 2012, 10:44 PM (4,149 Views)
Drew
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tiki_girl
Jan 28 2012, 06:35 PM
As long as "bringing back the original background musical arrangements" are at the top of her agenda list, she can eat, kiss ass, supply the set w/ bulbs that burst mid scene and let the actors wear their own clothes and do their own hair&makeup/muscle oil to save some coin... (those would at least be things I could live with).
I think you're the first person I've seen long for Days music. It's never stood out as good to me as long as KC has done it.
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Drew
Jan 29 2012, 04:22 AM
tiki_girl
Jan 28 2012, 06:35 PM
As long as "bringing back the original background musical arrangements" are at the top of her agenda list, she can eat, kiss ass, supply the set w/ bulbs that burst mid scene and let the actors wear their own clothes and do their own hair&makeup/muscle oil to save some coin... (those would at least be things I could live with).
I think you're the first person I've seen long for Days music. It's never stood out as good to me as long as KC has done it.
I agree that early '90s Days music was superior to what we have now. And the Possession scores were almost as good as what would be heard in a MOVIE! It just perfectly fit that story. You just have to wonder, "what happened?" in the 2000s since they acheived greatness so short a time ago.
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Drew
Jan 29 2012, 04:22 AM
tiki_girl
Jan 28 2012, 06:35 PM
As long as "bringing back the original background musical arrangements" are at the top of her agenda list, she can eat, kiss ass, supply the set w/ bulbs that burst mid scene and let the actors wear their own clothes and do their own hair&makeup/muscle oil to save some coin... (those would at least be things I could live with).
I think you're the first person I've seen long for Days music. It's never stood out as good to me as long as KC has done it.
I DO long for it, quite a lot. That music used to set the tone for the entire scene and build a climax where there were no words to express the character's inner dialoigue...it was the other being in the room. Pick any classic Joy Garrett/Matt Ashford interaction, for example. Always tender moments between those two. Add in "their" background song and it took the scenes to a whole different level (the 'tear in your eye/lump in your throat' level). Whoever was the music director in the '80's & early 90's was absolutely brilliant at their job.

Nowadays the music has no connection to the characters, it's just generic Muzak on a loop and it makes me sad that that aspect of my favorite show is gone.
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Drew
Jan 29 2012, 04:22 AM
It's never stood out as good to me as long as KC has done it.
Ken's been one of the music composers since 1979.
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tiki_girl
Jan 29 2012, 05:21 PM
Whoever was the music director in the '80's & early 90's was absolutely brilliant at their job.

Marty Davich was the late 80s/early 90s music director. He left in 1993 and a year later went on to do the music for "ER" throughout its run.

From the upcoming "Days" crew database, here's a list of all the music heads since the 1970s:

Music Coordinators:
1970's-10/77: Linda Line
10/77-6/82: Ken Heller
6/82-7/82: Patti Bereyso
7/82-12/87: Marty Davich

Title Change: Music Directors
12/87-4/93: Marty Davich
4/93-6/09: Amy Evans & Steve Reinhardt
6/09-10/10: Steve Reinhardt & D. Brent Nelson
10/10-6/11: Steve Reinhardt, D. Brent Nelson & Jonathan Firstenberg
6/11-Present: Steve Reinhardt, D. Brent Nelson & Paul F. Antonelli
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Jason47
Jan 29 2012, 05:25 PM
Drew
Jan 29 2012, 04:22 AM
It's never stood out as good to me as long as KC has done it.
Ken's been one of the music composers since 1979.
So either he somehow lost all of his musical taste over the years or he took credit for music he had no direct hand in composing from '79-'90-something. The music of then and now could not come from the same brain. No way, no how.
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Jason47
Jan 29 2012, 05:36 PM
tiki_girl
Jan 29 2012, 05:21 PM
Whoever was the music director in the '80's & early 90's was absolutely brilliant at their job.

Marty Davich was the late 80s/early 90s music director. He left in 1993 and a year later went on to do the music for "ER" throughout its run.

From the upcoming "Days" crew database, here's a list of all the music heads since the 1970s:

Music Coordinators:
1970's-10/77: Linda Line
10/77-6/82: Ken HellerI
6/82-7/82: Patti Bereyso
7/82-12/87: Marty Davich

Title Change: Music Directors
12/87-4/93: Marty Davich
4/93-6/09: Amy Evans & Steve Reinhardt
6/09-10/10: Steve Reinhardt & D. Brent Nelson
10/10-6/11: Steve Reinhardt, D. Brent Nelson & Jonathan Firstenberg
6/11-Present: Steve Reinhardt, D. Brent Nelson & Paul F. Antonelli
Very interesting information...Marty Davich is my new hero :)

Wait..........so this is telling me that Days is actually paying real money to 3 people for this so-called "music"?!? That is just wrong. Seriously Corday...get your shit together and fire these clowns and rehire Davich.
Edited by tiki_girl, Jan 29 2012, 06:45 PM.
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Marty Davich was terrific. His firing in 1993 was one of the many firings that year I didn't like.

Re: De Cazotte giving Deidre and Chandler freedom in their scenes. I'm confused. If LdC is in charge of sets and lights and so forth, why is she involved in the content of scenes during shooting? Isn't "giving freedom" the director's job?

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I'm mostly interested in whether they're going to firm up the younger characters, both in some of the acting choices and the characterizations. With both Abigail and Will I always feel like there's some talent but also something missing, due to lack of focus, time, and some strange writing choices. Chad just seems to be there, and there's such a big distance from what Melanie is and how they see her.
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Jason are you sure it was in 1993 that Marty left? I have seen stats that show him still listed in 1994. I know D. Brent Nelson joined in 1993.

I don't know what has happened with Corday and Nelson because they used to compose really good music. Their music in 1993-1996 was the best music this show has ever had. They still had good music in 1997-2001, 2002-2003 was decent, 2004-2007 was bad, 2008-present is just boring and heartless. They just keep going downhill.

There was an interview with D. Brent Nelson in 2010 and he said
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We tend to write story-specific cues rather than character-specific. So as the same characters go through different situations the music behind them is changing and evolving. We try not to use the same music over and over in a recurring situation. For example, we have over 25 cues for the Nighttime Hope story. This way we can vary to some degree the dramatic impact in scenes that emotionally we could be using the same 2-3 cues for.
And that is what I don't like. I want to hear familiar music. When Stefano walks into a scene I want to hear the Phoenix music. They have all these amazing cues from the past but they aren't using them because they don't want the music to be "recurring". Instead they keep replacing old ones with new ones that are worse than those before. It's like they are doing quantity over quality.
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Sindacco
Jan 29 2012, 07:14 PM
Jason are you sure it was in 1993 that Marty left? I have seen stats that show him still listed in 1994. I know D. Brent Nelson joined in 1993.

Marty was last listed in the credits as music director in April 1993.

He did continue to be listed as a music composer through August 1994. Not sure if he actually worked there after stepping down as music director in April 1993, or that they just continued using his music composition cues until August 1994.

Those stats above I listed are for the Music Coordinators, which had a title promotion to Music Director in 1987 (although Music Coordinators were still used after 1987).

Here is the complete list of the music composers since 1965. Seems like they mostly used the original music cues that Albertine & Mann wrote in 1965 up until about 1978 when Ken Corday joined and started composing new music.

Music Composers:
November 1965-Present: Tommy Boyce/Bobby Hart/Charles Albertine (theme)
November 1965-1978: Charles Albertine, Barry Mann
1978-1979: Charles Albertine, Barry Mann, Ken Corday
1979-1980: Charles Albertine, Barry Mann, Ken Corday, Ken Heller
1980-1982: Ken Corday, Ken Heller
1982-3/83: Ken Corday, Ken Heller, Ron Elfving
3/83-8/86: Ken Corday, Ken Heller, Ron Elfving, Marty Davich
8/86-6/93: Ken Corday, Marty Davich
6/93-8/94: Ken Corday, Marty Davich, Amy Burkhard, Ken Heller, Cory Lerios, John D'Andrea, Dominic Messenger, D. Brent Nelson
8/94-1/95: Ken Corday, Ken Heller, Cory Lerios, John D'Andrea, Dominic Messenger, D. Brent Nelson
1/95-12/96: Ken Corday, Cory Lerios, John D'Andrea, Dominic Messenger, D. Brent Nelson
12/96-1/97: Ken Corday, Dominic Messenger, D. Brent Nelson
1/97-Present: Ken Corday, D. Brent Nelson
Edited by Jason47, Jan 29 2012, 08:09 PM.
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Sindacco
Jan 29 2012, 07:14 PM
Jason are you sure it was in 1993 that Marty left? I have seen stats that show him still listed in 1994. I know D. Brent Nelson joined in 1993.

I don't know what has happened with Corday and Nelson because they used to compose really good music. Their music in 1993-1996 was the best music this show has ever had. They still had good music in 1997-2001, 2002-2003 was decent, 2004-2007 was bad, 2008-present is just boring and heartless. They just keep going downhill.

There was an interview with D. Brent Nelson in 2010 and he said
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We tend to write story-specific cues rather than character-specific. So as the same characters go through different situations the music behind them is changing and evolving. We try not to use the same music over and over in a recurring situation. For example, we have over 25 cues for the Nighttime Hope story. This way we can vary to some degree the dramatic impact in scenes that emotionally we could be using the same 2-3 cues for.
And that is what I don't like. I want to hear familiar music. When Stefano walks into a scene I want to hear the Phoenix music. They have all these amazing cues from the past but they aren't using them because they don't want the music to be "recurring". Instead they keep replacing old ones with new ones that are worse than those before. It's like they are doing quantity over quality.
I guess music is like art in that beauty is in the eye/ear of the beholder, because I have to say that when I watch clips from 2000-2006, my ears literally hurt and I cringe at how cheap and cheesy the music cues were then. They're tinny and have a weird techno quality that is totally distracting from any emotion that might be appearing in the scene. It's so bad that I wish there was a way to turn off the music track so I could spare myself from almost all of the background music of that period. The music today may not be the greatest, but at least it doesn't make me cringe like that other stuff.

As for your general point, I do agree that it's nice to have recognizable music motifs that we can associate with certain moods (or maybe even, sparingly, with particular characters). When we had that kind of thing back in the Marty Davich period, the motifs/melody lines were recognizable, but he would mix it up with different pacing or varying orchestrations to keep things interesting and fresh.

OLTL just did something similar in their closing episodes. They took the show's theme, which we normally hear as a cranked up, fast-paced number at the beginning of each show, and they had it played simply on a piano with a slower, more nostalgic, melancholy style to underscore some of the touching goodbye scenes. It worked extremely well!



ETA: Thanks, Jason, for providing such great info, and for clarifying the various titles of Director, Coordinator, and Composer. Very helpful.


Edited by annie21, Jan 29 2012, 08:26 PM.
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Thanks Jason. This list helps alot. I had no idea there were so many composers in the 1993-1996 period. I guess I should give those guys credit since that's when I liked the music the most.
Edited by Sindacco, Jan 29 2012, 09:17 PM.
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I'm keeping an open mind and willing to give Lisa a chance, but I'm going to miss the wonderful aesthetic that Noel brought to some meaty & dramatic moments like DeadBabySex, Jack & Jen during the his breakdown at the cabin and the first EJ/Nicole "love" scene since the reset.
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Jan 29 2012, 04:50 PM
The Possession scores were almost as good as what would be heard in a MOVIE! It just perfectly fit that story.
I agree. Remember the creepy flutes?

You can hear them from 1:30 - 2:15 in the clip below. The music from 6:20 - 7:05 is great as well.

In the second clip you can hear the "screaming monkeys" cue from :45 - 1:10.



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This was my favorite from the Possession:



Look at 7:50 through the end.

Love those drums (?) and church bell like sounds that combine for a very ominous feel.
My favorite is the 8:50 and onward part.
It's just a snippet of the score I've heard numerous times in other scenes throughout that story. Loved it!
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I had definitely stopped watching during these years ^^^ and now I remember why. God how I hate CGI. And I wasn't impressed with the repetitive synth music on a loop either. Man, getting rid of their computer animation dept. had to have saved the show a ton of dough though.
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Jan 30 2012, 02:28 AM
This was my favorite from the Possession:



Look at 7:50 through the end.

Love those drums (?) and church bell like sounds that combine for a very ominous feel.
My favorite is the 8:50 and onward part.
It's just a snippet of the score I've heard numerous times in other scenes throughout that story. Loved it!
Oh I totally agree about that score...it was AMAZING! It starts at 7:20 and plays to the end...8:50 it gets intense again...LOVE it!

When the morgue fight happens and that score starts playing...my heart starts beating...this score in particular was not used very much during the Possession story and never again after it was over...but it was AWESOME...my favorite scores to come from that storyline.

I believe it was used only three times during the entire storylines, 1st) The meteor shower happens; 2nd) When the "Help Me" sign is scratched into Marlena's stomach after Caroline/Kristen are changing her and 3rd) Morgue fight between MarDevil and John.
Edited by Mitchapalooza, Jan 30 2012, 06:22 PM.
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Jan 30 2012, 04:39 PM
fritosguy
Jan 30 2012, 02:28 AM
This was my favorite from the Possession:



Look at 7:50 through the end.

Love those drums (?) and church bell like sounds that combine for a very ominous feel.
My favorite is the 8:50 and onward part.
It's just a snippet of the score I've heard numerous times in other scenes throughout that story. Loved it!
Oh I totally agree about that score...it was AMAZING! It starts at 7:20 and plays to the end...8:50 it gets intense again...LOVE it!

When the morgue fight happens and that score starts playing...my heart starts beating...this score in particular was not used very much during the Possession story and never again after it was over...but it was AWESOME...my favorite scores to come from that storyline.

I believe it was used only three times during the entire storylines, 1st) The meteor shower happens; 2nd) When the "Help Me" sign is scratched into Marlena's stomach after Caroline/Kristen are changing her and 3rd) Morgue fight between MarDevil and John.
lol. I guess three is numerous to me, ha. But I really remember that score.
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