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SOD: Austin Peck on JER: "His writing was maddening and genius!"
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Topic Started: Jan 28 2012, 12:56 AM (6,168 Views)
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Mitchapalooza
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Jan 30 2012, 04:42 PM
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^ My face watching DAYS
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I say forget both the 80s and 90s (since every attempt at replicating them has flopped, anyway), and try finding a writer who wants to harken back to DAYS's true golden age (IMO, of course) -- the William J. Bell years. If nothing else, at least it would be uncharted rip-off territory for this show.
Why not a good mix of all 3...DAYS best "era's" were 1.) Bill Bell years 2.) 80's Supercouple years and 3.) Reilly 1993 to 1997...a good mix of all this (done properly) could be what DAYS needs...I don't know. I certainly feel like the last 3 years have been the show's absolute WORST years in its history though...so we need to step the fuck away from all of that. Just get a fucking competent headwriter....its been one clunker after another (Sheffer, Higley x 2, MarDar, end of Reilly #2)
I don't think the last 3 years were the worst. I do think from spring 2010 up to 2011 the show was on a downward spiral but prior to that I think Days sticking to classic soap staples with some camp helped them. I can say I never missed Steve, Kayla, John, or Marlena. Not every story worked they never all do but I think sticking to some fundamentals helped. But I think a show cant be everything so stick with a tone and write fot it. This show is trying to be a Bill Bell type show and Mardar are not Bill Bell who's shows were all rooted in strong characterization first and plot second but he did have plot. Mardars characterizations for a few has improved, Sami, Will, Marlena, Bo, Hope where some have gotten worse like Jennifer, Maggie, Victor,Lexie some have shown no improvement even with changes like EJ, Melanie, Abby, Rafe, Daniel, Quinn and those the show just doesn't seem to care about like Nicole,Brady, John, Jack, Austin, Carrie, Madison, Chad, Gabby and then Kate and Stefano who are really not much different than they were under Higley. I actually think OLTL'S style would work well for days. Good pace, camp, some comedy, OTT plot twists grounded in family .JMO Ok maybe 3 yrs is a bit much but ALL of 2010 for sure and ALL of 2011...the show was good up to the end of the Ava Vitali story IMO, then it started tanking fast...right around the time Jarlena and S&K were axed from the show. And well all of 2012 has been VERY shitty so far, save for a few moments or 1 or 2 episode here and there.
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Jan 30 2012, 04:43 PM
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Jan 30 2012, 04:56 PM
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I say forget both the 80s and 90s (since every attempt at replicating them has flopped, anyway), and try finding a writer who wants to harken back to DAYS's true golden age (IMO, of course) -- the William J. Bell years. If nothing else, at least it would be uncharted rip-off territory for this show.
Why not a good mix of all 3...DAYS best "era's" were 1.) Bill Bell years 2.) 80's Supercouple years and 3.) Reilly 1993 to 1997...a good mix of all this (done properly) could be what DAYS needs...I don't know. I certainly feel like the last 3 years have been the show's absolute WORST years in its history though...so we need to step the fuck away from all of that. Just get a fucking competent headwriter....its been one clunker after another (Sheffer, Higley x 2, MarDar, end of Reilly #2)
I don't think the last 3 years were the worst. I do think from spring 2010 up to 2011 the show was on a downward spiral but prior to that I think Days sticking to classic soap staples with some camp helped them. I can say I never missed Steve, Kayla, John, or Marlena. Not every story worked they never all do but I think sticking to some fundamentals helped. But I think a show cant be everything so stick with a tone and write fot it. This show is trying to be a Bill Bell type show and Mardar are not Bill Bell who's shows were all rooted in strong characterization first and plot second but he did have plot. Mardars characterizations for a few has improved, Sami, Will, Marlena, Bo, Hope where some have gotten worse like Jennifer, Maggie, Victor,Lexie some have shown no improvement even with changes like EJ, Melanie, Abby, Rafe, Daniel, Quinn and those the show just doesn't seem to care about like Nicole,Brady, John, Jack, Austin, Carrie, Madison, Chad, Gabby and then Kate and Stefano who are really not much different than they were under Higley. I actually think OLTL'S style would work well for days. Good pace, camp, some comedy, OTT plot twists grounded in family .JMO
Ok maybe 3 yrs is a bit much but ALL of 2010 for sure and ALL of 2011...the show was good up to the end of the Ava Vitali story IMO, then it started tanking fast...right around the time Jarlena and S&K were axed from the show. And well all of 2012 has been VERY shitty so far, save for a few moments or 1 or 2 episode here and there. I thought the baby switch and the after math was decent. To me the sydnapping and ejami's reconnect is when it started plummeting and no I don't blame ejami it just became a repeat of much of the same with the same people interacting. I always felt the aftermath of the baby switch was just marred with so much lost opportunity. Rather than using it to drive characters in new and interesting directions it just became ssdd.JMO
B&B'S stick to basics has worked for them for years. Sure there have been ups and downs but they pretty much stick to staples and some really crazy camp.
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Jan 30 2012, 05:09 PM
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I say forget both the 80s and 90s (since every attempt at replicating them has flopped, anyway), and try finding a writer who wants to harken back to DAYS's true golden age (IMO, of course) -- the William J. Bell years. If nothing else, at least it would be uncharted rip-off territory for this show.
Why not a good mix of all 3...DAYS best "era's" were 1.) Bill Bell years 2.) 80's Supercouple years and 3.) Reilly 1993 to 1997...a good mix of all this (done properly) could be what DAYS needs...I don't know. I certainly feel like the last 3 years have been the show's absolute WORST years in its history though...so we need to step the fuck away from all of that. Just get a fucking competent headwriter....its been one clunker after another (Sheffer, Higley x 2, MarDar, end of Reilly #2)
I don't think the last 3 years were the worst. I do think from spring 2010 up to 2011 the show was on a downward spiral but prior to that I think Days sticking to classic soap staples with some camp helped them. I can say I never missed Steve, Kayla, John, or Marlena. Not every story worked they never all do but I think sticking to some fundamentals helped. But I think a show cant be everything so stick with a tone and write fot it. This show is trying to be a Bill Bell type show and Mardar are not Bill Bell who's shows were all rooted in strong characterization first and plot second but he did have plot. Mardars characterizations for a few has improved, Sami, Will, Marlena, Bo, Hope where some have gotten worse like Jennifer, Maggie, Victor,Lexie some have shown no improvement even with changes like EJ, Melanie, Abby, Rafe, Daniel, Quinn and those the show just doesn't seem to care about like Nicole,Brady, John, Jack, Austin, Carrie, Madison, Chad, Gabby and then Kate and Stefano who are really not much different than they were under Higley. I actually think OLTL'S style would work well for days. Good pace, camp, some comedy, OTT plot twists grounded in family .JMO
Ok maybe 3 yrs is a bit much but ALL of 2010 for sure and ALL of 2011...the show was good up to the end of the Ava Vitali story IMO, then it started tanking fast...right around the time Jarlena and S&K were axed from the show. And well all of 2012 has been VERY shitty so far, save for a few moments or 1 or 2 episode here and there. I actually thought the show started picking up around the time the vets left (though I did miss them). Although, it had dragged down so much over the summer/fall of 2008 that it's not saying much. That was one of the worst periods for me, with Chelsea and Dan trying to legitimately date, Chucas, everyone remodeling their kitchen, and random health problems with no real drama in them.
The fall of 2009 was stronger, and then 2010 was a mess (although I think the NT Hope story and the way it wove into other stories took more skill than Dena usually showed). And 2011 a complete disconnected clusterfuck.
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Jan 30 2012, 05:20 PM
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I don't think the last 3 years were the worst. I do think from spring 2010 up to 2011 the show was on a downward spiral but prior to that I think Days sticking to classic soap staples with some camp helped them. I can say I never missed Steve, Kayla, John, or Marlena. Not every story worked they never all do but I think sticking to some fundamentals helped. But I think a show cant be everything so stick with a tone and write fot it. This show is trying to be a Bill Bell type show and Mardar are not Bill Bell who's shows were all rooted in strong characterization first and plot second but he did have plot. Mardars characterizations for a few has improved, Sami, Will, Marlena, Bo, Hope where some have gotten worse like Jennifer, Maggie, Victor,Lexie some have shown no improvement even with changes like EJ, Melanie, Abby, Rafe, Daniel, Quinn and those the show just doesn't seem to care about like Nicole,Brady, John, Jack, Austin, Carrie, Madison, Chad, Gabby and then Kate and Stefano who are really not much different than they were under Higley. I actually think OLTL'S style would work well for days. Good pace, camp, some comedy, OTT plot twists grounded in family .JMO
Ok maybe 3 yrs is a bit much but ALL of 2010 for sure and ALL of 2011...the show was good up to the end of the Ava Vitali story IMO, then it started tanking fast...right around the time Jarlena and S&K were axed from the show. And well all of 2012 has been VERY shitty so far, save for a few moments or 1 or 2 episode here and there.
I actually thought the show started picking up around the time the vets left (though I did miss them). Although, it had dragged down so much over the summer/fall of 2008 that it's not saying much. That was one of the worst periods for me, with Chelsea and Dan trying to legitimately date, Chucas, everyone remodeling their kitchen, and random health problems with no real drama in them. The fall of 2009 was stronger, and then 2010 was a mess (although I think the NT Hope story and the way it wove into other stories took more skill than Dena usually showed). And 2011 a complete disconnected clusterfuck. I think the show was really smart with its pacing and storytelling style in 2009, but I flat out hated the actual stories, and I thought all the characters were being written out of character. I do wish the current writers would use the same kind of pacing we saw back then, though. When the show is paced that way, it doesn't much matter what's happening or who it's happening to.
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Jan 30 2012, 05:35 PM
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Ok maybe 3 yrs is a bit much but ALL of 2010 for sure and ALL of 2011...the show was good up to the end of the Ava Vitali story IMO, then it started tanking fast...right around the time Jarlena and S&K were axed from the show. And well all of 2012 has been VERY shitty so far, save for a few moments or 1 or 2 episode here and there.
I actually thought the show started picking up around the time the vets left (though I did miss them). Although, it had dragged down so much over the summer/fall of 2008 that it's not saying much. That was one of the worst periods for me, with Chelsea and Dan trying to legitimately date, Chucas, everyone remodeling their kitchen, and random health problems with no real drama in them. The fall of 2009 was stronger, and then 2010 was a mess (although I think the NT Hope story and the way it wove into other stories took more skill than Dena usually showed). And 2011 a complete disconnected clusterfuck.
I think the show was really smart with its pacing and storytelling style in 2009, but I flat out hated the actual stories, and I thought all the characters were being written out of character. I do wish the current writers would use the same kind of pacing we saw back then, though. When the show is paced that way, it doesn't much matter what's happening or who it's happening to. You hit the nail on the head, lysie. I thought 2009 was a pretty entertaining year even though I hated some of the storylines. But the pacing worked. The one not horrible thing that Dena did was the way the baby switch was revealed over the course of a year, really. Each step lasted long enough to build some tension, but no so long that it made me not care anymore. I kept watching because while I cared nothing for any of the characters really, I wanted to see how the story finally unfolded. And the other stories were paced pretty well, too.
I feel like the writers are trying to do some long build-up for the Alice's secret storyline, but they are just doing it so horribly. Instead of creating any kind of real tension, it's just making me not give a frak about what the actual reveal might be. They haven't put enough mini-reveals in to keep the suspence going. And everything but the Will/EJ storyline is just a cluster of badness.
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Jan 30 2012, 08:18 PM
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I agree with him completely about JER.
Unfortunately, Peck is much more Austin to me than Muldoon. LOL.
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Jan 30 2012, 10:34 PM
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I just mean there were some similarities, JER actually rewrote a lot of storylines from DAYS on to Passions..
Sami on death row (DOOL) Theresa on death row (PSSNS)
Carly buried alive (DOOL) Sheridan buried alive (PSSNS)
And heres another good example.. Sami doing all those crazy things to keep her sister Carrie and Austin apart including drugging Austin into getting her pregnant and revealing it on their wedding day. The EXACT same thing happened on Passions with Kay/Charity/Miguel, it even played out the same way with Kay's mother siding with Charity over Kay, Just like Marlena siding with Carrie over Sami which caused a lot of tension. Its crazy how similar the stories were.. but I often felt like Passions was a parody of Days JER didn't write the Sami on death row story. That was Sally Sussman Morina.
But to draw another comparison, he did possession stories on both Days and Passions.
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Austin Peck's acting was maddening.
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Jan 30 2012, 11:42 PM
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I agree with him completely about JER.
Unfortunately, Peck is much more Austin to me than Muldoon. LOL. For what Austin is now, they didn't need Muldoon. Austin is not overly complex. I actually preferred Peck in the role and I think he'd have been a better fit.
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Jan 31 2012, 12:47 AM
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Stuff like this is always going to be a matter of personal preference. I can understand what Kenny and others are saying about how JER could tell a story, but when I watch the clips I just want to slap the characters for being stupid and laugh at them for how Serious.Everthing.Was. I was watching Possession clips and it's Christmas time in Salem but I think everybody needed Prozac. And the actors said every line like the weight of the world was on them.
I'm not sure any other show has quite the split personality that Days has. The two "Golden Eras" are really the mid to late 80's and the 1993-1999 JER period (in terms of ratings, fans, outside attention, etc.). Yet those two eras are like two different shows. If you watch an episode from like 1986 and an episode from 1995, you'd swear you were watching two different shows. A few characters might look familiar, but they wouldn't act familiar. And while I completely understand (and agree) that the changes Days made in the 1990s probably saved it, I think we've been on one big long track of trying to reconcile those two eras ever since. And the problem is, they can't be reconciled. So, what we've had is a constant back and forth with no consistency in storytelling.
Wow, you hit the nail right on the head. Your right. Days' problem is that it's always trying to recreate the past with familiar faces and stories (and by that I mean they actually recycle stories often with the same exact characters...Hope/Bo/Billie, Austin/Carrie/Lucas/Sami, etc) instead of drawing on why the show worked in the past and using those same fundamentals to bring about a new "golden age." Days is the only show that always pushes the whole "We are going back to what worked before" theme every single time a new regime comes in complete with an onslaught of returning characters from a particular era. You don't see other soaps do that. They bring back people but don't usher them in with some proclamation that they are bringing a certain era back.
Days needs to stop looking at the past. Look to the fundamentals of storytelling. Just tell good stories with good pacing and your set. 2009 showed that the story could be something done 5,000 times before but if it's paced right and the show is invested in it (like they clearly were the baby switch) and you have an actor or actress in the center of it that can make fans care (like AZ did), then you can probably grab hold of the audience and bring in some new eyes too. The show needs to take more risks too. Soaps became huge because of risks. You have to do something that isn't expected but you can't force it either. It has to come naturally and then you have to just decide to go there. The show also has to stick with it. Hell, Days just needs to be more consistent in sticking with a direction or story.
Whoever mentioned OLTL's style working on Days was absolutely right. I felt OLTL's style was the perfect blueprint in this day and age to help save soaps and try to bring in viewers. Over it's last few years, OLTL hit all the right notes. It tapped into it's past but also set up it's future. It was a nice mix of young and old characters. It had some camp but also lots of character-driven drama as well.
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I just mean there were some similarities, JER actually rewrote a lot of storylines from DAYS on to Passions..
Sami on death row (DOOL) Theresa on death row (PSSNS)
Carly buried alive (DOOL) Sheridan buried alive (PSSNS)
And heres another good example.. Sami doing all those crazy things to keep her sister Carrie and Austin apart including drugging Austin into getting her pregnant and revealing it on their wedding day. The EXACT same thing happened on Passions with Kay/Charity/Miguel, it even played out the same way with Kay's mother siding with Charity over Kay, Just like Marlena siding with Carrie over Sami which caused a lot of tension. Its crazy how similar the stories were.. but I often felt like Passions was a parody of Days
JER didn't write the Sami on death row story. That was Sally Sussman Morina. But to draw another comparison, he did possession stories on both Days and Passions. The Passions Red story remarkably resembled Days' lady in a veil story. Both women were even named Rachel, I think!
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Jan 31 2012, 12:54 AM
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Whats sad is that those stories from the 80s and 90s worked back then but they try them now and they're so watered down that those of us that remember them just shake our heads.
Bringing back people with no story just doesnt work.
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Jan 31 2012, 01:09 AM
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^ So true. It's like they lost the "soap formula" a decade ago and ever since they've tried to re-create it but to no avail. If they'd write good stories, people would tune in.
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I agree with everything that's just been said. I don't even waste my time complaining about the shitty actors on the show because if the writers had the right tools, they could make those characters we HATE more interesting. It is possible, but the writing just fucking sucks
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"Patrick Muldoon is Austin. That's him, and I wish him all the best. He's more Austin than I ever was. He was the first, and I just happened to play it longer." I disagree Peck is more Austin. To me. And austin had chemistry with Clark I find muldoon to. Rubbery in the looks department. Muldoon contract is up in feb. Let's hold hands and sing kumbya when they bring peck back. Austin did a great job at atwt and oltl. And the few times I saw him in prime time. He is great. Let's not forget peck was a favorite of James E R .
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One of the issues I think the show has when it tries to "move on" is that it puts different or newer characters in stories that really only work with the vets. This is another reason fans are reluctant to let go. Take the vendetta...EJ, Sami, and Lucas just flat out didn't belong in that story. If they'd done a similar story that wasn't pretending to rely on history, unthinking would have worked better. But when it comes to Brady/DiMera issues that story belongs to the characters from the 80s. It's fine to try to include new people but Days always does that at the expense of veteran characters. If they want to move on to a new generation they need to find the style of storytelling that works for those characters and stop trying to pretend like they can take the place of the old characters.
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One of the issues I think the show has when it tries to "move on" is that it puts different or newer characters in stories that really only work with the vets. This is another reason fans are reluctant to let go. Take the vendetta...EJ, Sami, and Lucas just flat out didn't belong in that story. If they'd done a similar story that wasn't pretending to rely on history, unthinking would have worked better. But when it comes to Brady/DiMera issues that story belongs to the characters from the 80s. It's fine to try to include new people but Days always does that at the expense of veteran characters. If they want to move on to a new generation they need to find the style of storytelling that works for those characters and stop trying to pretend like they can take the place of the old characters. I agree with you. I on. the other hand love romance in the afternoon. Good only fashion romance. Days writers this Is what I want. I would also like patrick muldoon gone. Please bring peck back. Abby is only going to work with a hot version of austin reed. I think austin peck is been looking pretty hot lately. So it would work. Besides say what you want the days cast loves Peck. Patrick was relvent in the 80\90 but its 2012. So Ken needs to get with the times. Just saying. I love Carrie and austin as a couple.
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I agree. BRING AUSTIN PECK BACK!
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Ugh, please. I never want to see Austin Peck on Days again. Patrick is Austin to me.
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