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| Tuesday, January 31st Daily Discussion | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 30 2012, 02:55 PM (5,122 Views) | |
| PhoenixRising05 | Jan 31 2012, 02:07 PM Post #41 |
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I think that part of the problem with soaps is SORASing. As a result of it, there are always these gaps in time that get skipped over that I think writers like to use to create conflict between soap parents and children. I think that is the issue here. They are using the period of Brady's life we didn't see to create issues in case they choose to utilize them in story. I don't mind it because I'm used to all soaps doing this but it is annoying. Your right that they should specifically reference what I'm mentioned (To me, it has to be what they are referring to but they do need to be more forward about it) but I do think other regimes are to blame too. They should've played this card with John/Brady and others all along. It makes sense and longtime viewers can at least understand it. As for Victor and Brady, I'm not bothered by that, really, because of Isabella. I don't think the fact that it didn't become significant until Brady hit adulthood is an issue. I mean, it goes back to what I'm saying. SORASing creates gaps in time and writers fill up those gaps with whatever they want. We never saw a huge chunk of Brady's life. One day he was a kid and months later he returned around 20/21 and it's clear they aged him a little more when Eric Martsolf took over the role so there are plenty of gaps in time in which Victor and Brady could've formed their bond. I would love to see how all this happens onscreen but its just something that happens with soaps as a result of SORASing. It's something that has just become the norm. |
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| Matt | Jan 31 2012, 02:08 PM Post #42 |
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Just finished watching the episode and I came here utterly stoked by how great I thought the writing today was only to find out that it seems that everyone else thought it was shit. Personally, I thought every scene had subtext (the John/Sami scenes were ESPECIALLY good, IMO, and I thought both DH & AS really did a good job acting them). I also liked the natural and realistic conversations between Austin/Abby (it's so obvious she's into him, but he has no clue), Rafe/Carrie, Austin/Carrie, Rafe/Sami. I loved Austin's "Grasshopper" reference to Abby and cracked up when she was like "Wha.?" and Austin realized she had no clue what he was talking it about. THAT HAPPENS TO ME AT LEAST ONCE A DAY! I thought today was fabulous. It was directed by producer Albert Alarr and written by the AMAZING Carolyn Culliton -- her 1st episode of the entire month! |
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| Mitchapalooza | Jan 31 2012, 02:22 PM Post #43 |
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My complaint is not so much about the script, but about the story...and how some of the characters are behaving....especially Carrie. |
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| JDeveraux_91 | Jan 31 2012, 02:27 PM Post #44 |
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Meh, not thrilled with what I saw of today's episode. I've tried with Brady and Madison, I really have. I just don't see it with these two. I see no romance, no chemistry, no love story. Just two hornballs at it like rabbits on any flat surface available and I'm sick of it! Will Sami stop acting like a defensive bitch toward John and her mother already? What are the writers doing to Carrie? I'm finding her utterly unlikeable. If she keeps it up she'll be ranked up there with Jennifer on the nasty unreasonable bitch scale. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Jan 31 2012, 02:34 PM Post #45 |
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I thought it was well written too. A very solid episode IMO. My only issue is that there was no followup to the party yesterday and that we never got to see the big fights Sami and Rafe and Carrie and Austin had. I mean, Austin and Carrie had such a big fight that he slept in his office all night? We NEEDED to see that. Today should've been the rest of the party and the fights and all this should've been tomorrow IMO. The episode itself was good though. |
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| Matt | Jan 31 2012, 02:48 PM Post #46 |
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Oh, I definitely agree about the chronology of the episode, but I think that falls more on MarDar and the BD writer than the SW. For the 1st half of today's episode, all anyone did was talk about what happened BETWEEN the end of yesterday's episode and the beginning of today's episode. It almost felt as if there was an episode between yesterday & today that we never saw. That was a big fail IMO regarding story pacing and structure, but once I accepted it I really enjoyed the episode. |
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| SaveDaysNow | Jan 31 2012, 04:34 PM Post #47 |
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Did the Wardrobe department buy out the whole "BLACK AND GRAY" store??? Seriously, everyone is wearing such BLAH BLAH BLAH boring non-colors!!! Austin, Abby, Rafe, Carrie, Sami, John. . all of them in the same boring gray/black combo that old lady Jennifer has been sporting. Jeez, show some COLOR folks! The show is depressing enough. Oh, and when SAMI left the Brady pub, I swore I could hear elephants STOMPING!!! |
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| magicsteacher | Jan 31 2012, 06:32 PM Post #48 |
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I am so with you on this. I would have loved to have heard the convos/fights with Caustin and Safe. We heard about it only really b/c of conversations between Rafe and Carrie, never the couples themselves. I wanted to hear Sami and Austin's side,too. Hearing those would have helped the audience understand all the "marital problems" that these two couples are having, and connected us to today's conversations. It just all seems so broken. |
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| Snowing Fan | Jan 31 2012, 06:33 PM Post #49 |
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Ditto,it's such crap,I could go on YouTube and watch HOURS worth off clips that suggest otherwise. |
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| JTClassicSoaps | Jan 31 2012, 08:36 PM Post #50 |
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Question to those who watched back then; do you think John was a more hands on father and around more during the 1986-1991 time period that he raised Sami and Eric vs the 1993-1999 time period when Brady and Belle were kids? I'm just trying to understand where the writers were going with that scene between Sami/John where John seemed to make this point. |
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| lysie | Jan 31 2012, 08:44 PM Post #51 |
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I have no idea where they're going with that. He was more hands on in the 80s, though. One issue this show has is how different regimes treat children. In the 80s, the children were treated as part of Salem. IMO, they were utilized the best then. In the 90s, they were glorified props. People suddenly had nannies, and we didn't see them very often. In the early 2000s, they were plot points until JER came back, and then they were once again glorified props. Sheffer used them pretty heavily, and then Higley once again used them as plot points. So Brady and Belle were prop children. J&M had a nanny. The dialogue, though, didn't support that they weren't involved parents. It actually supported the opposite. The thing is, even when Brady was SORASed and things were rocky with John, there was never an implication that Brady had not been there for Brady. Actually, the implication was that John had been great for Brady and Belle. The two of them talked about lots of vacations and family things we never saw. So it's not just that we saw the opposite when Brady was a child, they've talked about it since then and it's never been said until this regime that John was anything less than a great dad to Brady. |
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| Hamilton | Jan 31 2012, 08:53 PM Post #52 |
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This is where MarDar's weakness in storytelling is so obvious. They can't create a rich, full bodied tale. All these beats they ignore give much needed depth and weight. We need to see all sides of the story; especially the dramatic ones missing here. This story feels lackluster because MarDar seem to focus only on pushing along the plot. This story could be richer if not only they had shown the dramatic followup to the party, but along the way had tangibly shown more of Sami's guilt. Other than a cracked mirror the day of her notsodeadchildsex I've not seen any self-loathing. Those beats are missing. Rafe's character has turned into a mess since the reboot, but to have him spout about family, family, family and then not show him in a scene with Will after finding out he's working for Ej? EJ!! Come on . . . a huge emotional miss there. Carrie has had her flirt on from day one with her brother-in-law eyeing him up like a big lollipop, but where is her marital listlessness coming from? Is she annoyed and angry with her husband or does she want to stick it to Sami? Show me some scenes to help me understand her motivation. I just feel like there is so much missing that could make the story compelling. As it is now, all I see are too many weakly staged scenes. If MarDar are going to recycle old stories then rise to the challenge to make them richer than the past ones instead of being content to give us the bare minimum. Otherwise, the audience will turn to youtube for the much better original. |
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| magicsteacher | Jan 31 2012, 09:11 PM Post #53 |
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:cheer: :cheer: Great post and ITA with all you said. Give us some real stories with real depth and layering, Mardar. If you build them, fans will come. |
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| tiki_girl | Jan 31 2012, 09:17 PM Post #54 |
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When is Ian Buchannan's first day? Because I want to know how many more creepy Brady/Madison dry hump/nipple tugs with teeth scenes I'll have to endure (assuming Ian's presence will put a welcome end their romance...) |
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| lysie | Jan 31 2012, 09:19 PM Post #55 |
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I didn't hate today either. John/Sami I liked these scenes. I'm still a little confused about Sami's relationships with both John and Marlena, but whatever. I liked the underlying tension. Sami was being typical Sami - overreacting and not really hearing what the other person is saying...until the very end. I also liked the Brady/John/Madison scene. Drake is really good at playing the goofy, dorky dad. Brady/Madison I really didn't pay much attention to them, but I could have done without watching Brady nurse Madison. Madison/Sami You know...I'd like to know what Madison is expecting Sami to do now. I don't like being on Sami's side, but in this particular scenario...seriously. What's she supposed to do? Caustin/Safe/Abby Yeah, I'm really disappointed that we didn't get to see the fights. Well, I'm disappointed we didn't get to see Caustin's fight. I couldn't care less about Safe's. Otherwise, I liked all of these scenes today. Oh. One last (probably not) thing about the kids. They screwed up the timeline again today based on what they've already written. So John said Sami and Eric were with him when they were the age the twins are now. This is correct. But MarDar have said that Sami was in Colorado being friends with Madison. Seriously. Pick a time line. Tell it to us. Stick with it. |
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| magicsteacher | Jan 31 2012, 09:41 PM Post #56 |
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Apparently these writers don't do their homework. That's one of my biggest beefs with Mardar; they write whatever timeline or scenario or character type they want to fit the particular plot they are writing that day, and it just doesn't work- it makes the stories confusing and not credible. |
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| rockchic | Jan 31 2012, 09:54 PM Post #57 |
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I almost turned Days off when it started with Madison and Brady having ... yet another ... sex scene. However I watched based on wanting to watch the John/Sami scene, and see how Caustin would be around Abby since I want to see how the upcoming s/l plays out. Today was okay (better than the bad acting that was all over Y&R). I enjoyed the John and Sami scene and I also don't think it's a big deal not 'seeing' things because it happens all the time (kinda like I wish Bradison sex would happen off-screen). I really do love this John. I enjoyed the John-Sami relationship when they mended fences during the last run (regardless of whether he had brain issues or not) and I enjoyed how it played out today. I wish Sami hadn't overreacted but I wasn't surprised or annoyed by it. I'm liking KM in this role for Abby. I thought she did a really good job of playing her age (in terms of not really understanding the 'old marrieds' for lack of a better phrase). God help me I didn't even cringe when she was interacting with Rafe. :OhMy: Then again, I found the Carrie/Rafe scenes close to intolerable and only a small part of that was the dialogue. Did anything else happen? I was doing my taxes at the same time so I might have missed a bit. Either way, days seemed better today than either Y&R or GH and I wasn't offended by anyone's hair/makeup/wardrobe (always a plus). |
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| DrewHamilton | Jan 31 2012, 11:27 PM Post #58 |
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I don't know if they actually ever bothered to say how old Sami and Madison were when they were friends, but this still works. Sami and Eric were sent to Denver, apparently, in 1992. When Sami came back with Sweeney playing her in 1993, it was said they were in Denver with Marlena's parents. So maybe that is when Sami and Madison were childhood friends. In real time, it was probably less than a year, but in SORAS time, it was a good 6 or 7 years. Still works for me. Today's episode was pretty good. I agree with those saying there should've been an episode between yesterday and today, so we could actually see the all that went down at Sydney's birthday party, considering all that happened was important for today's episode. Enjoyed John and Sami's scenes. Always do. I always want tension in John and Sami's relationship, even though I don't want her always spewing hatred towards him. When they're interacting like they were today, it's golden for me. I like that Sami being a mole at CW causes tension between Brady and Madison, but I didn't like how easily Madison wanted to end the plans. She's been wanting nothing more than to bring Kate down since coming to Salem. I would think she would need a little more to happen before she was convinced that Sami is in danger or whatever. And I liked the angle of the town square Sami and Madison's scenes were shot in today. They were right outside the gates of the square on a bench. The set just looks so damn real. Great job set department. (That was just those that may still be doubting ;) ). Carrie and Rafe dropping the coffee pot was very eyeroll-worthy. I usually enjoy scenes between these two, contrived or not, but I wasn't really feeling it today. I LOLed at Austin jumping up quickly when Abigail woke him up. His face looked like someone ready to kill intruders. And the "grasshopper" line was cute, as well as Abigail's lack of knowledge about what he was talking about. These little details are the things that were missing with Melanie, Morgan and Stephanie were in relationships with Philip. He's obviously older than them, but no one seemed to notice except for the fans. Age is just one of the factors the writers are playing up with Austin and Abigail, which makes it work for me. |
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| lysie | Jan 31 2012, 11:30 PM Post #59 |
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That's definitely when Madison and Sami were childhood friends. I think they said kindergarten. I've already written a thesis about why that was wrong. And yes, in real time it was WAY less than a year. It was about 6 weeks. At the time, when Sweeney took over the role, they kept that time frame and didn't pretend like it had been years. They've apparently changed it, but they've never bothered to tell us exactly how they changed it. |
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| Matt | Jan 31 2012, 11:42 PM Post #60 |
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I *loved* the Grasshopper line because I can't tell you HOW many freaking times I'll make what I think is a common knowledge pop-culture reference to one of the college kids I work with and get nothing but a blank expression and my EXACT words are "You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you?" I just had to correct a girl at work today (oddly, I'm certain she's nearly my age) that Bette Davis did NOT play Joan Crawford (a big star from the 1950s) in "Mommie Dearest". In many ways, I do feel sorry for writers because some of these characters have had their backstories written and re-written so many times that it's hard to get a handle on what the proper continuity is (even if it was actually shown on-screen). More often than not, I believe writers tend to err on the side of the most recent version of a continuity so as not to contradict anything fresh in viewers' memories. |
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