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Wednesday, February 1st Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jan 31 2012, 02:55 PM (7,934 Views)
Lil
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Feb 1 2012, 01:46 PM
Enjoyed watching Jack and Jennifer today and she seemed softer less cranky and Matt threw in a few humourous lines. Why is Matt not on more then once a week? They give these other boring characters so much air time and Matt doesn't have a story with continuity. I want some airtime for Jack and Jennifer together, Jennifer redeemed and fight to earn Jack back and then some Jack and Jennifer romance, chemistry and humour. Why don't the writers understand what we want to see??? These two are exciting when written properly. Discouraged after all these months that the writers are wasting Matthew Ashford and Jack and Jennifer supercouple dynamic.
I woudl like for random characters to be dispersed througout (esp. Jack) just to add a little falvor to all the conversations. Since conversation seems to be all we get instead of action. Nicole is great for random snide remarks too as was evidenced yesterDAYS.
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Feb 1 2012, 02:23 PM
cyndabell
Jan 31 2012, 07:02 PM
esp13
Jan 31 2012, 07:00 PM
cyndabell
Jan 31 2012, 06:34 PM
The Will/Sonny convo also seems to negate the theory that Will knows he's gay. He's too busy asking Sonny for all the signs. Sonny really mentioned some things that I wish we could've seen with Will, such as noticing really cute and studly guys.
I've never thought Will "knew" he was gay anyway, at least not in the sense of openly acknowledging it to himself. It's clear that he's still in denial about it -- not just to other people, but to himself. This story has never been about Will knowing he was gay and hiding it. This story is about realizing who he really is and coming to terms with it. His conversation with Sonny is the clearest sign that he's finally starting to not be able to deny it to himself anymore. Asking Sonny how he knew is perfectly consistent with the idea that Will is finally recognizing some things in himself.
Maybe you didn't think Will knew he was gay but there have been myriads of people all around the net who felt certain he already knew.
I haven't noticed that at all from posters around here - but perhaps that is true elsewhere.

The very fact they had Will and Gabi consummate their relationship and Will have such a huge reaction to their breakup was a clear indication to me that Will was in denial. I like the way they've played this thus far - having Will slowly but surely come to accept it and then have to grapple with what that means for him. I do think the pace of the story has been slow, but there has never been any doubt in my mind that Will is coming to terms with his sexual preference first and foremost - and then coming out to other people will follow.
It was slow getting started but I actually like the pacing now because we're actually seeing different stages of his struggle with himself. This is the only one they seem to be getting right, IMO
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esp13
Feb 1 2012, 02:20 PM
ElizabethMK
Feb 1 2012, 01:13 PM
Can someone fill me in on Sonny's brother Alex?
Alexander is Justin and Adrienne's oldest son. His biological mother is Anjelica Deveraux (Jack's step-mother). He was conceived during a fling between Justin and Anjelica which occurred while Justin and Adrienne were separated. Anjelica didn't tell Justin until well after Alexander was born. Long story short, Anjelica and Alexander were presumed dead in a plane crash for awhile, but then it was revealed that they were alive and Anjelica sent Alexander to live with Justin and Adrienne.
Thank you
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I LOVED Sonny and Will today. They would make an awesome couple. Too cute! And I like that Will basically came out to Sonny. Will doesn't need to tell him "I'm gay" because honestly, I think Sonny already knows and is just helping him come to terms with who he is. It was a great scene, and I have high hopes for these two down the road--especially if Will continues to be the 'bad boy' rebel under EJ's influence.
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Carrie mentioning that Rafe could work at Intensity Spa... and he'd have a line-up of women wanting to ....?? what exactly was she referring to?
Rafe as a kick boxing instructor? Is this foreshading friends?
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Feb 1 2012, 02:27 PM
Wow. There was SO much I loved about this episode. Will & Sonny were a definitely highlight with some very natural and realistic dialogue. I was impressed by how none of it sounded like a generic PSA even though it could VERY easily have slipped into that territory. Nice random mention of Alex, who we haven't seen since he was a baby. IMO, hellion Alex would be a nice addition to the show (especially since his mother is Anjelica Devereaux, he has a bad gene). I had to laugh because when Sonny started his "When I blew out the candles, I really wanted..." story, I wasn't quite sure where that was going to go. :laugh:

Madison & Brady are SO FUCKING BORING. They're entirely generic and there's NO EMOTION to them at all. They come on my screen & I feel NOTHING. A 1st profession of love for what's being groomed and pimped as DAYS next "StuperCouple" should've been handled with more importance that what would be given to Brady announcing that he has gas. And WTF was Madison wearing? She looked like she was dressed to appear in a Bel Biv Devoe video. Someone should tell her the 1990s called and want their clothes back.

I continue to like Rafe & Carrie. Although their storyline is ridiculous and contrived as all get out, I like their chemistry and they never fail to make me smile. Although I like Carrie & Austin, I like Rafe & Carrie. And Rafe has INFINITELY more chemistry with Carrie than he's ever had with Sami.

Jack/Jennifer/Abby were another HIGHLIGHT today. Yes, Jenn was written as a shrewing psycho shrew today. The difference between today and all the other times is that today I actually think she was written that way on purpose. Previously, when she slipped into shrew mode, I don't think that was the result the writers intended, but today I believe it was. At one point, Jack looked at Jennifer like "WTF are you going through, woman?!" I nearly choked on my coffee when Abby was like "You've been watching too many movies on Lifetime" and "I'm tired of your drama!" And, of course, there was Jack trying to be supportive of both while also trying to diffuse a difficult situation with his characteristic sarcasm & self-depreciating humor. By the end of their scenes, Jennifer her changed from shreaking harpy to a self-reflective and confused mess while Jack became the mature voice of reason and the duo have some VERY charactistic moments and the "Jack & Jennifer" I've always loved.

I thought today was a solid episode (Madison/Brady and Rafe/Carrie notwithstanding, but I believe the script writer did what they were supposed to do with those scenes. clearly you can only do so much with an uninspiring breakdown). I thought the last 2 episodes were REALLY good and had a SIGNIFICANTLY different tone than anything over the last few months. I wonder if this might be Liza deCozette's influence.

Today's episode was directed by Karen Wilkens and written by Peter T. Rich.
Summed up my thoughts perfectly! My only disagreement is that I think Rafe and Sami have just as much chemistry as Rafe and Carrie. However, I think because so much of what made Rafe and Sami work is that Sami wasn't really in tune with her scheming, darker side so alot of that chemistry is artificial. I think Rafe is seeing in Carrie now what he saw in Sami the past few years. Sami is changing before his eyes into the person he only heard about but never knew. That line Carrie had yesterday about how Rafe was seeing a side of her sister that she has experience with was vital IMO because now I can see why Rafe is falling so hard for Carrie so fast. He sees the Sami he loves in her and now Sami is becoming a woman he doesn't recognize. I really like the way they are breaking apart these marriages now because it's realistic and character-driven.

I also agree about the Will/Sonny stuff. That felt like a real conversation. Brilliant, effective writing and beautifully acted. Loved the Alex mention.

And color me shocked but Missy Reeves actually ACTED today. I couldn't believe it. Looks like she only brings it in scenes where she gets to play a mom. I thought Mansi and Ashford were awesome too. I like how reasonable Jack came off and the way it led to what seems like an official reunion for Abby and Jack. I know they became civil before Christmas but this felt like they finally came to an understanding. Loved it. I think today may be a sign of the rewrites because the way Jennifer was written today with her mentions of losing Alice, Daniel, and Jack and not wanting to lose Abby and then that last scene of her sitting alone reflecting makes me wonder if see has turned a corner finally or maybe they will have her suffer an all out breakdown. Interesting.

Brady and Madison just suck. They had potential but they've rushed through so many beats with them. So much of the angst that they have had they rushed through in single episodes. Ridiculous. Their big love declaration today packed no punch whatsoever. I think Madison has potential as a character and we will see that potential in the coming weeks but I think being with Brady will only hold the character back, personally. I also HATED how the show once again had no followup to yesterday. We left Madison and Sami in a faceoff after Madison told Sami she was pulling the plug on her plan and there is no continuation at all to that final scene yesterday. If the show wasn't going to follow up on it, they should've finished off the scene yesterday. Stupid. This show has to do a better job of following up on the episode prior and also needs to have more cliffhangers. Ending the episode today on Jack and Abby embracing isn't going to make viewers watch tomorrow.

I agree that there is a different tone to the episodes this week. The show gradually improved throughout January and the past two weeks have been REALLY good IMO.
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Jan 31 2012, 09:28 PM
Will and Sonny's conversation sounds like the best thing about tomorrow's show. Of course, Sonny is lucky enough to have Justin and Adrienne as parents; Samantha Gene being Will's DNA contributor is problematic in terms of emotional support. If it doesn't revolve around her ass being kissed and vagina being worshipped, she's not interested.
Agreed and I get the distinct feeling that when Will does come out Sami will be the last person to accept it. However, I do see Lucas being very supportive. :wub:
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Feb 1 2012, 05:30 PM
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Jan 31 2012, 09:28 PM
Will and Sonny's conversation sounds like the best thing about tomorrow's show. Of course, Sonny is lucky enough to have Justin and Adrienne as parents; Samantha Gene being Will's DNA contributor is problematic in terms of emotional support. If it doesn't revolve around her ass being kissed and vagina being worshipped, she's not interested.
Agreed and I get the distinct feeling that when Will does come out Sami will be the last person to accept it. However, I do see Lucas being very supportive. :wub:
That is if she believes him. I can easily see Will having a heartfelt confession and Sami going all "No, of course you're not, you are doing this to make me angry"
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"Jennifer, what were you thinking?"...Jack's line today summed up a lot of my feelings about Jennifer the last few months. But today, despite the OTT reaction to Abby's news, she seemed more familiar. I don't know where the writers are going, whether we will see the real version of Jennifer emerge or if they will take her the breakdown route, but at least we're progressing in a positive direction. Of course, this is just one show but the re-writes I've heard about and the absence of Daniel for a few weeks are giving me hope that shrewish, ice queen Jennifer may be on her way out. MR even looked like Jennifer today, with the loose hair and cute but casual sweater dress. Loved how Jack handled the situation and laughed out loud at his mention of innocent Abigail getting a massage on the "Horton couch", like it's a holy relic.

I want so badly to like Madison, but this rushed romance with Brady is not working for me. Bland, boring, blah.

I'm still neutral on Rafe/Carrie. I do know I like him more in scenes with Carrie than I do with Sami--he seems much lighter and funnier. But I don't know about all this sibling/spouse swapping. Carrie and Sami have been doing this for years! And all she went through to get Austin, only to have the relationship fall apart now....I don't know, I'll have to see how it all plays out. I agree with PhoenixRising about Rafe is seeing in Carrie the person he thought Sami was. I've always believed that while Rafe SAID he accepted Sami for who she is and even though he knows about all her past schemes and crimes, that when he actually saw original Sami in action it wouldn't be so easy for him to accept. Rafe is a good guy, a hero at heart, and despite the writers' attempts over the years to turn Sami into a heroine, that's not who she is.

Good scenes with Will and Sonny. Very well written and well acted by two of the most charismatic young actors this show has had in years.
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Aldo
Feb 1 2012, 05:36 PM
LanaluvsBroe
Feb 1 2012, 05:30 PM
Paxton
Jan 31 2012, 09:28 PM
Will and Sonny's conversation sounds like the best thing about tomorrow's show. Of course, Sonny is lucky enough to have Justin and Adrienne as parents; Samantha Gene being Will's DNA contributor is problematic in terms of emotional support. If it doesn't revolve around her ass being kissed and vagina being worshipped, she's not interested.
Agreed and I get the distinct feeling that when Will does come out Sami will be the last person to accept it. However, I do see Lucas being very supportive. :wub:
That is if she believes him. I can easily see Will having a heartfelt confession and Sami going all "No, of course you're not, you are doing this to make me angry"
Of course. Because it's ALL about her. :sarcasm:
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Now that I've seen the whole show, I've got a few things to add.

Even though I've never been that keen on teen storylines, I thought the Will & Sonny interaction was well-done. Not too preachy, and the two young actors have this natural, relaxed chemistry. They're believable as friends, and maybe even as something more down the road. And Will has been so angry, defiant, and occasionally spiteful recently (not without cause), so seeing him just hanging out with someone he likes and clearly trusts was a nice change of pace. Of course, I agree with some other posters here that Sami will find a way of making Will's eventual coming-out ALL ABOUT HER. Some things never change, even in 18+ years.

Brady and Madison are just so . . . generic. I don't dislike them individually or even together, but there's nothing unique about them. I'd be hard pressed to come up with an element or even a moment that epitomizes them as a couple, the way I could for other great DAYS duos.

I have no interest in watching the Brady sisters at war over another man again. I will say that Rafe's scenes with Carrie are slightly more watchable than his scenes with Sami, but that may be because I was tired of Sami back in the '90s. Still, he and Carrie are both pretty stupid if they can't see the adverse effect their hanging out together is having on their marriages. And I find it difficult to sympathize with characters who are stupid, especially when they're not supposed to be.

More and more, I'm starting to think something is wrong with Jennifer, and has been wrong for a while. The way Jack watched her today, with that puzzled, narrow-eyed, "what the hell is wrong with you?" expression, as she and Abigail ranted at each other seemed an indication that she's "off" somehow. And i suspect things may get worse before they get better on that front. But despite her over-the-top reaction to Abigail's modeling offer, I liked the Deverauxes' interaction as a clan. They're a unit, and I can't see anyone busting that up again, least of all Danny-Boy, no matter how Jen-Jen may be pining for him.

Even with his own issues, Jack seems ready to take on his role as head of the family, which is just as well because Jennifer and Abigail are going to need him when everything hits the fan for them both. Again, I don't see Daniel playing much of a part in this--what use is he likely to be in extricating Jennifer from the quagmire of dirty politics? Or coping with Abigail trying to snag someone else's husband for herself? These are challenges only Jack can tackle, though I fervently hope he'll be allowed more than one day a week on which to do so.

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Once again, I neither hated nor loved the show.

I'm apparently incapable of paying attention to Bradison. When Cafe aren't being awkward, I struggle to pay attention to them, too.

I really liked the Jack/Abby/Jennifer scenes, though. They reminded me of their first scenes after the reset.

Will and Sonny were good, too.
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Feb 1 2012, 06:02 PM
"Jennifer, what were you thinking?"...Jack's line today summed up a lot of my feelings about Jennifer the last few months. But today, despite the OTT reaction to Abby's news, she seemed more familiar. I don't know where the writers are going, whether we will see the real version of Jennifer emerge or if they will take her the breakdown route, but at least we're progressing in a positive direction. Of course, this is just one show but the re-writes I've heard about and the absence of Daniel for a few weeks are giving me hope that shrewish, ice queen Jennifer may be on her way out. MR even looked like Jennifer today, with the loose hair and cute but casual sweater dress. Loved how Jack handled the situation and laughed out loud at his mention of innocent Abigail getting a massage on the "Horton couch", like it's a holy relic.

I want so badly to like Madison, but this rushed romance with Brady is not working for me. Bland, boring, blah.

I'm still neutral on Rafe/Carrie. I do know I like him more in scenes with Carrie than I do with Sami--he seems much lighter and funnier. But I don't know about all this sibling/spouse swapping. Carrie and Sami have been doing this for years! And all she went through to get Austin, only to have the relationship fall apart now....I don't know, I'll have to see how it all plays out. I agree with PhoenixRising about Rafe is seeing in Carrie the person he thought Sami was. I've always believed that while Rafe SAID he accepted Sami for who she is and even though he knows about all her past schemes and crimes, that when he actually saw original Sami in action it wouldn't be so easy for him to accept. Rafe is a good guy, a hero at heart, and despite the writers' attempts over the years to turn Sami into a heroine, that's not who she is.

Good scenes with Will and Sonny. Very well written and well acted by two of the most charismatic young actors this show has had in years.
I actually do not like the lighter, funnier Rafe we've been seeing lately. Oh, I don't mind him being sarcastic and a smart-ass that fits who he should be, but the other goofy, giddy behavior seems too extreme of a change. I don't want to cringe in embarrassment at the actions of a man who should remain a solid Days hero. (And, unfortunately from what I've seen, Galen struggles pulling off jovial Rafe.)

I've not been a fan of this sister swap storyline because I find it redundant and uninspired. As far as Rafe now seeing the Sami he always really wanted in her sister Carrie, I'm not buying that. Knowing the woman you love shot someone in the head and left him to die without a second thought and him not being phased by it makes me believe Rafe got a good glimpse of original Sami and he accepted her. What could be a more evil action?

That line Carrie had yesterday about how Rafe was seeing a side of her sister that she has experience with was to me Carrie throwing Sami under the bus and trying to drive a wedge in Rafe's relationship. She wasn't being a helpful friend or good sister by saying that. Carrie is sneaky imo. I don't find it a realistic and character driven demise to the marriage when Rafe's character has been altered to fit the story or when Carrie comes across as flighty with unclear motivations. The relationship is contrived at every corner and a disappointment.

I enjoy opposition in my couples because of the potential for better stories. Why would I want Carrie and Rafe ever together?
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I'm also having a very hard time understanding Carrie's motivation right now. They have not shown me why she and Austin are experiencing the problems they are now, when just a few months ago they seemed very happy. Like Austin said the other day, they have experienced busy periods in their life before and yet still maintained a connection so why are their jobs causing problems now? What does Carrie see in Rafe that she doesn't have in her marriage? And why, when they have no business, do they have to spend all day sitting around in that empty office so that Carrie has no time for her husband. Maybe one of them at a time could hang out there, or maybe they could have their few phone calls forwarded to their cell phones? This is why I'm taking a wait and see approach to this storyline...right now we're missing out on too many beats to the story.

I thought Rafe was being written out of character when he accepted Sami shooting EJ, but at least EJ was someone who he sees as evil, someone who in his mind has terrorized his family. The difference now is he doesn't see Kate as such a threat so he can't justify Sami's actions. But honestly, with his personality changes--from intense hero with Sami to jokey pal with Carrie--it's hard to really say what motivates Rafe or anyone else on the show. I miss the days when characters were written IN character and you could understand their motivations and thought processes.
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Jack; still as graceful as ever jumping over the HTS couch, I see. Love it!
I think I like where the Jack/Jen story is heading. Looks like Jen 's on a one way trip to Bayview!! I'm not ok with Jack being blasé when Jen mentions Dan. But hey, not going to sweat the small stuff. Just happy they're getting quality air time together at this point.
--I really wish Christie Clark would stop pausing mid sentence and even mid-word. She would be a million times better actor if she would just tightened up her delivery.
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Feb 1 2012, 09:23 PM
I think I like where the Jack/Jen story is heading.
There's a Jack/Jen story? Where?
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The Will/Sonny and Jack/Abby scenes absolutely made this episode for me!

I really enjoyed the convo between Sonny and Will. I really felt the sympathy that Sonny was having for Will, for him not wanting Will to go through the same turmoil that he did. The questions and answers that went back and forth were very realistic and I'm thankful that Days didn't mess up these important scenes. The way that you knew that Sonny knows that Will is gay, and how Will knows that Sonny knows, without anything being said about it was great. I really do look forward to Will finally coming out. CM is going to do an awesome job. I didn't even mind the red-eyed tears because this time it seemed appropriate. More of this please Days!

As for Jack/Abby/Jen - while I understand Jen's point her delivery was absolutely nails on a chalkboard. No Abby does not need to become a model to prove herself or for people to take her seriously (I'm really glad that that point of view was voiced), but the fact that it was intermixed with Jen basically treating Abby like a 5-year old when Abby hasn't done anything wrong was just all wrong. I loved that Jack called Jen out on her hypocrisy and I actually saw a little of the Jack and Jen that I used to love at the end of that scene. But then Jen ruined it by wailing about how she's losing everyone. She lost me on that one as she continues to make everything about her. As a Jack fan I absolutely loved him finding Abby and having a real and honest (and rational) discussion with her about the path that she's taking. THAT is the way to get her to think hard about her life choices, not yelling and kicking her out. Hopefully when the shit goes down with Abby and Austin that Jack will be there for Abby because I think she's going to need someone to help her that won't judge her.

I think other things happen on the show that might have involved cafe and bradison, but I'm pretty sure I already watched them each go through this same song and dance yesterday so I really don't have much to add to today's episode except days needs to move on.
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Feb 1 2012, 08:50 PM
I'm also having a very hard time understanding Carrie's motivation right now. They have not shown me why she and Austin are experiencing the problems they are now, when just a few months ago they seemed very happy. Like Austin said the other day, they have experienced busy periods in their life before and yet still maintained a connection so why are their jobs causing problems now? What does Carrie see in Rafe that she doesn't have in her marriage? And why, when they have no business, do they have to spend all day sitting around in that empty office so that Carrie has no time for her husband. Maybe one of them at a time could hang out there, or maybe they could have their few phone calls forwarded to their cell phones? This is why I'm taking a wait and see approach to this storyline...right now we're missing out on too many beats to the story.

I thought Rafe was being written out of character when he accepted Sami shooting EJ, but at least EJ was someone who he sees as evil, someone who in his mind has terrorized his family. The difference now is he doesn't see Kate as such a threat so he can't justify Sami's actions. But honestly, with his personality changes--from intense hero with Sami to jokey pal with Carrie--it's hard to really say what motivates Rafe or anyone else on the show. I miss the days when characters were written IN character and you could understand their motivations and thought processes.
Carrie's motivation? Well right now she is bored and spending time playing games with Rafe. Odd that, she keeps telling Austin she is busy and rushes off to work, when clearly there isn't much to do. Cards with Rafe, was as cute scene, even laughable. Mid-life crisis? Relationship boredom? It happens to many couples and you have to want to work on it to make sure the fires don't burn out. Missing beats to the SL? How about, no beats, I find it so contrived. Even for Rafe....hot and heavy with Sami all before x-mas, then off with Carrie. Sami seemed to be peaved at his lack of work.... it must bug him to death and Carrie treats him like a equal, not a leftover. I always saw Rafe and being true to Sami, even if she doesn't deserve it. Not liking that his character is now going to be flawed, I like him as a Salem hero. Carrie and Austin seem to have a missing piece of history, happy or pretend happy? Hoping CAFE doesn't sleep together.
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Feb 1 2012, 09:26 PM
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Feb 1 2012, 09:23 PM
I think I like where the Jack/Jen story is heading.
There's a Jack/Jen story? Where?
Jenn's life slowly spiraling & Jack getting an alli in Abby. It's moving forward and today was the first day I finally sensed a forward progression in their story. And if I'm right about J&J's role reversal (which is what I've been hoping is what will eventually happen) then I'm excited about that. There's potential for some great storytelling it it goes in that direction-- that is, if the writers don't stall the storyplot more then they already have.
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The Devreaux family discussion reminded me of the old Days when things were focused on family. It was realistic not to over the top or about something absurd (like egg babies or Dimera pawns). I think that is why I always liked JnJ they always felt more real, two very intelligent people who are completely different and completely in love even when they hate each other. Abby has always made the dynamic more interesting and despite anyone's feelings about KM as Abby you have to at least admit she has really good chemistry with both MR and MA. I would like to see more of these interactions, the Horton living room actually felt like the Horton living room. This little family unit has amazing chemistry I don't know why they are exploiting that. Between Jack's PTSD, Abby's upcoming bad behavior/judgment and Jennifer's issues this family has all the ingredients for some good soapy drama. The only thing that would make this better for me would be an age appropriate JJ who fit the current dynamic these three have going.
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