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SOD/SOW: Sami Kicks Rafe Out!; 2/14/12 Issue
Topic Started: Feb 1 2012, 11:29 PM (10,628 Views)
michelle
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esp13
Feb 2 2012, 07:24 PM
I think this version of Sami's "downfall" is MarDar trying to have it both ways. They are going to have Sami lose her husband, her son, her job, and whatnot so that (they think) all the fans who have despised Sami for being the pretend heroine will be happy with Sami getting "what she deserves." But, they are doing it in such a way that Sami is actualliy a victim of cruel circumstances that aren't really her fault (she didn't want to fuck EJ, she just wanted to forget the pain of her notdead son). That way, Sami can still be the pretend heroine she's always been.

And it's already working. People think Rafe kissing Carrie is worse than Sami screwing EJ? Check. People think Madison is screwing over Sami because she's having second thoughts and wants Sami to get out before she gets hurt? Check. They are making Will's hatred so OTT that some are sympathizing with Sami? Check.

This isn't Sami's downfall storyline. It's her redemption storyline. To bad I find the character irredeemable.
Though I usually agree with you, tonight I simply cannot.

If Sami's grief sex with EJ had any real feeling to it/happened at a time when her life was peachy, I do not belive anyone would defend Sami.

I don't think anyone really feels sorry for after her fight with Will. The dialogue is very honest and his pain is very real. After reading/watching Android's clip, I'm Team Will all the way.

As for Madison, she asked Sami to take this big risk in going against Kate and now all of a sudden, she changes her mind 10 minutes later? Screw Madison and the broomstick she flew in on. Her character, for me, has been a total disappointment anyway.

Though I hate Rafe, I could defend him easier, if it was a revenge makeout he was after vs. actually falling in love with Carrie. But the fact that he knows nothing of the grief sex and is putting himself in situations with a woman he knows he has feelings for makes it even worse.

It doesn't feel like a redemption storyline to me. More like Mar/Dar want to play relationship switcheroo, repeat storylines and create OTT drama. Period.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

Dreamer
Feb 2 2012, 07:16 PM
I am not a Sami fan at all, and can't help feeling sorry for her. Yes, she makes bad choices and needs to learn by her mistakes. I feel bad for Sami, but somehow I just don't need the kleenex box and a glass of wine to ease my pain when I watch. I am sad on the outside and cheering on the inside or maybe it is, I'm sad on the inside and cheering on the outside. You all know what I mean. LOL!
I'm a Sami fan who called her a slut for doing what she did with Ej on November 21, but I feel sorry for her in this story. No matter what she did, no one deserves to be cheated ON, and certainly walking in on Cafe locking lips is a huge reason why I feel a bit sorry for her now. Not to say that I excuse her behavior, I will never understand why she did what she did with Ej, especially since it was very out of character for her to cheat and we've already seen her mourn a child (Grace) and she wasn't fucking fake while she was crying her eyes out for Grace after she died.

Oh and I completely get what you are saying and I feel the same way too.
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esp13
Feb 2 2012, 07:24 PM
I think this version of Sami's "downfall" is MarDar trying to have it both ways. They are going to have Sami lose her husband, her son, her job, and whatnot so that (they think) all the fans who have despised Sami for being the pretend heroine will be happy with Sami getting "what she deserves." But, they are doing it in such a way that Sami is actualliy a victim of cruel circumstances that aren't really her fault (she didn't want to fuck EJ, she just wanted to forget the pain of her notdead son). That way, Sami can still be the pretend heroine she's always been.

And it's already working. People think Rafe kissing Carrie is worse than Sami screwing EJ? Check. People think Madison is screwing over Sami because she's having second thoughts and wants Sami to get out before she gets hurt? Check. They are making Will's hatred so OTT that some are sympathizing with Sami? Check.

This isn't Sami's downfall storyline. It's her redemption storyline. To bad I find the character irredeemable.
Your post sums up my thoughts exactly. :hail:
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LuvingLumi
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

esp13
Feb 2 2012, 07:24 PM
I think this version of Sami's "downfall" is MarDar trying to have it both ways. They are going to have Sami lose her husband, her son, her job, and whatnot so that (they think) all the fans who have despised Sami for being the pretend heroine will be happy with Sami getting "what she deserves." But, they are doing it in such a way that Sami is actualliy a victim of cruel circumstances that aren't really her fault (she didn't want to fuck EJ, she just wanted to forget the pain of her notdead son). That way, Sami can still be the pretend heroine she's always been.

And it's already working. People think Rafe kissing Carrie is worse than Sami screwing EJ? Check. People think Madison is screwing over Sami because she's having second thoughts and wants Sami to get out before she gets hurt? Check. They are making Will's hatred so OTT that some are sympathizing with Sami? Check.

This isn't Sami's downfall storyline. It's her redemption storyline. To bad I find the character irredeemable.
Yes and this is what we were discussing when we were all talking about this back in November. We KNEW they weren't really going to throw Sami completely under the bus, but we couldn't really figure out what way they were going to do it.

I also think it's a redemption storyline, but I need her to completely have a nervous breakdown for it to effect me as a viewer at this stage. I need to have so many people despise Sami for what she's done that when she sees her world completely falling apart and she's left without a job, a home, a son, a husband, that she goes nuts and ends up at a mental institution in a catatonic state or something...sort of what Laura went through back in the day. That would have been perfect to do NOW and then maybe Lucas would return when she was in there for a few months. They should have really given the character of Sami a 2 month rest at least, then when we see her again, she's in the mental hospital and Lucas is in Salem taking care of the kids and visiting her every week or something like that.

Think of all the things that she has done or gone through that she should get therapy for....the rape in 06, blackmailed into divorcing the man she loved and marrying a man who's family was threatening to kill her own family, Grace dying, the kidnapping of her kid, thinking it was dead, the shooting of Ej,doppelganger in her bed....so I can see her snap when Rafe finds out and he leaves and then Sami walks in on him comforting himself in Carrie's arms, she goes to kill Carrie and she loses it. I've always thought that was one of the only ways to have her grow as a character a bit and go for some true character redemption in the process.

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michelle
Feb 2 2012, 09:01 PM
esp13
Feb 2 2012, 07:24 PM
I think this version of Sami's "downfall" is MarDar trying to have it both ways. They are going to have Sami lose her husband, her son, her job, and whatnot so that (they think) all the fans who have despised Sami for being the pretend heroine will be happy with Sami getting "what she deserves." But, they are doing it in such a way that Sami is actualliy a victim of cruel circumstances that aren't really her fault (she didn't want to fuck EJ, she just wanted to forget the pain of her notdead son). That way, Sami can still be the pretend heroine she's always been.

And it's already working. People think Rafe kissing Carrie is worse than Sami screwing EJ? Check. People think Madison is screwing over Sami because she's having second thoughts and wants Sami to get out before she gets hurt? Check. They are making Will's hatred so OTT that some are sympathizing with Sami? Check.

This isn't Sami's downfall storyline. It's her redemption storyline. To bad I find the character irredeemable.
Though I usually agree with you, tonight I simply cannot.

If Sami's grief sex with EJ had any real feeling to it/happened at a time when her life was peachy, I do not belive anyone would defend Sami.

I don't think anyone really feels sorry for after her fight with Will. The dialogue is very honest and his pain is very real. After reading/watching Android's clip, I'm Team Will all the way.

As for Madison, she asked Sami to take this big risk in going against Kate and now all of a sudden, she changes her mind 10 minutes later? Screw Madison and the broomstick she flew in on. Her character, for me, has been a total disappointment anyway.

Though I hate Rafe, I could defend him easier, if it was a revenge makeout he was after vs. actually falling in love with Carrie. But the fact that he knows nothing of the grief sex and is putting himself in situations with a woman he knows he has feelings for makes it even worse.

It doesn't feel like a redemption storyline to me. More like Mar/Dar want to play relationship switcheroo, repeat storylines and create OTT drama. Period.
I just don't feel like either Rafe or Carrie really realizes what they're doing. They just seem to be blissfully ignorant. That doesn't make it okay to kiss, though.

I've been trying for weeks to put into words how I feel about Sami/Will. I like Will's dialog, and I like the way Chandler plays his contempt and glee. But he's going to call his mother a whore. Yeah, it's Sami, and I think Sami is a whore. Yeah, I think Sami has been a terrible mother to Will, and I think she should count herself lucky that it's taken him this long to crack. But I want to knock his teeth in. I'm hoping Marlena will be around one day when he's talking to Sami like that...and yeah that's one time I absolutely wouldn't mind Marlena defending Sami (though I'd prefer she also throw in a line about Sami seeing how it feels...).

Meanwhile, when I first read this I was tempted to be irritated that Sami is kicking Rafe out of his own place. But actually, now that she has a job, that doesn't bother me. I know people think some characters can never win with me, but I really don't ask for much.

I still don't fully trust that Sami's going to have a real fall. I'm hoping that at the very least Kate won't let me down. They managed to surprise us with Sami being a spy, maybe Kate really does have a bigger plan.
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

I think both of them are cheaters, I don`t think one is better than the other.
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JamesScott_19
Feb 2 2012, 09:26 PM
I think both of them are cheaters, I don`t think one is better than the other.
Agreed!! The million dollar question is, IS IT FIXABLE? OR Will it just be blown out of proportion as a prop to set up the next set of SLs. If the beastsex doesn't come out till May Sweeps... that is an awfully long time to keep this facade going.
Edited by Dreamer, Feb 2 2012, 09:36 PM.
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Any cafe fans out there? I don't feel sorry for sami one bit. Her relationship with Rafe was so fake
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Dreamer
Feb 2 2012, 09:35 PM
JamesScott_19
Feb 2 2012, 09:26 PM
I think both of them are cheaters, I don`t think one is better than the other.
Agreed!! The million dollar question is, IS IT FIXABLE? OR Will it just be blown out of proportion as a prop to set up the next set of SLs. If the beastsex doesn't come out till May Sweeps... that is an awfully long time to keep this facade going.
I believe both things are true. Sure it's fixable-- it's a soap and cheating is a soap staple. Look at all the couples on Days who have cheated and been cheated on and have gotten back together-- Bope is a recent example.

Since Mardar are plot driven writers, I would say that it's no doubt part of a prop to set up the next set of s/ls, as I have thought all along this whole cafe thing is a plot point to get the Sami vs. Carrie fight started up again.

It's looking to me like the beastsex won't come out until May sweeps. Will has now told Sami he knows and that will be hanging over her head as to will he or won't he tell Rafe or anyone else.
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

pennieloafer
Feb 2 2012, 09:38 PM
Any cafe fans out there? I don't feel sorry for sami one bit. Her relationship with Rafe was so fake
I am a HUGE fan, I been a fan of them before they even were paired together. :D
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Rafe is the one who should be kicking Sami out, what a hypocrite. I can't stand her, I hope Rafe dumps her and goes with Carrie
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Rafe's been acting like an ass. He deserves to have his butt kicked out on the street. I have no pity for a guy who is so disloyal in words and actions to his wife and the family he says is sooo important to him.
He knows what he's been doing even if he wants to pretend ignorance and should have to feel the consequences of being the dipstick he's become.
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LuvingLumi
Feb 2 2012, 09:21 PM
esp13
Feb 2 2012, 07:24 PM
I think this version of Sami's "downfall" is MarDar trying to have it both ways. They are going to have Sami lose her husband, her son, her job, and whatnot so that (they think) all the fans who have despised Sami for being the pretend heroine will be happy with Sami getting "what she deserves." But, they are doing it in such a way that Sami is actualliy a victim of cruel circumstances that aren't really her fault (she didn't want to fuck EJ, she just wanted to forget the pain of her notdead son). That way, Sami can still be the pretend heroine she's always been.

And it's already working. People think Rafe kissing Carrie is worse than Sami screwing EJ? Check. People think Madison is screwing over Sami because she's having second thoughts and wants Sami to get out before she gets hurt? Check. They are making Will's hatred so OTT that some are sympathizing with Sami? Check.

This isn't Sami's downfall storyline. It's her redemption storyline. To bad I find the character irredeemable.
Yes and this is what we were discussing when we were all talking about this back in November. We KNEW they weren't really going to throw Sami completely under the bus, but we couldn't really figure out what way they were going to do it.

I also think it's a redemption storyline, but I need her to completely have a nervous breakdown for it to effect me as a viewer at this stage. I need to have so many people despise Sami for what she's done that when she sees her world completely falling apart and she's left without a job, a home, a son, a husband, that she goes nuts and ends up at a mental institution in a catatonic state or something...sort of what Laura went through back in the day. That would have been perfect to do NOW and then maybe Lucas would return when she was in there for a few months. They should have really given the character of Sami a 2 month rest at least, then when we see her again, she's in the mental hospital and Lucas is in Salem taking care of the kids and visiting her every week or something like that.

Think of all the things that she has done or gone through that she should get therapy for....the rape in 06, blackmailed into divorcing the man she loved and marrying a man who's family was threatening to kill her own family, Grace dying, the kidnapping of her kid, thinking it was dead, the shooting of Ej,doppelganger in her bed....so I can see her snap when Rafe finds out and he leaves and then Sami walks in on him comforting himself in Carrie's arms, she goes to kill Carrie and she loses it. I've always thought that was one of the only ways to have her grow as a character a bit and go for some true character redemption in the process.




I doubt days will ever let Sami go insane all the way,to the point that she has to go in a mental institution..i would like to see that..cause it fits the current story..but sadly will see more of her...pinin over rafe and cursing ej's name....sigh...
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Rafe is being totally written as an unfaithful jerk. He has gone from being a loving, devoted, and faithful boyfriend, fiance, and husband to Sami and her family, to acting like a simpy, giggly 8th grader who has a crush on his girlfriend's older sister.

Rafe has no excuse whatsoever to have been acting like a total idiot, mooning over his SIL, letting her initiate hugs, and leering at her across their office. He should have stopped it as soon as it started instead of thriving on Carrie's every word, look, and giggle.
Sami needs to kick his ass to the curb.
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sami needs to kick both rafe and carrie's ass!!!!rafe shouldve never agreed to work with carrie,knowin that he was startin to have feelings for carrie.thats why its totally unbelievable..cause there was no reason for rafe to stray away from sami,esp now that he still doesnt know bout the ejami sex.rafe never really loved sami..he just loved that he won her over and that she ditched ej for him.
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Feb 2 2012, 06:02 PM
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Feb 2 2012, 03:20 PM
The past is the past; Rafe was her future, and a happy one I might add! Lucas, Carrie, and Austin were gone from the show, hardly talked about, not really missed by anyone, but bringing vets back at the expensive of SAFE which is a popular couple just isn’t right! And if you are going for a Lucas and Sami relationship it won’t be the same! I loved J/M a few years ago, now I want to throw up when I see them, it's just not the same! And for me it's the same for all the vets they bring back, J/J were my favorite always loved them, not today. You can't live your life in the past and be happy and either can a soap, you have to move forward to the future! I would be more interested in new characters and S/L no matter how bad until they work things out, then re-hashing over and over again the past! Let’s see Carrie has slept with every man Sami had! Gee how original is that!

Rafe and Sami were in love of all the right reasons, and with something as simple as a kiss it is tainted for ever! There special connection is gone, and this was something new for Sami and it was refreshing to see her enjoy her life! This is going to make SAFE relationship just like every relationship Sami has ever had! They can't have new and refreshing just old and boring re-hashed S/L!
This!!!

Sadly, I have not been enjoying the returned vets b/c the writing has been so bad. J/J were my all time favorite couple, and I can't stand Jennifer now. J/M is ehh. I don't care that much about them. I used to like Carrie and Austin, but I was never really invested in them. I love Safe, but that is now ruined. I can understand if they wanted to try something different with Cafe, but the writing was so bad that there's no way I will buy into it. They are ruining the character of Rafe for me by making him oogle over his SIL. I loved the hero character, but they just turned him into a cheater. If they wanted to make him less perfect, then they could have created SYDOLE with Rafe's mistake by using Nicole's toothbrush instead of Sami's. That would create some angst. Or dive into his past. Or do CAFE at a much slower pace. Instead they have the 100 degree office with soft porn music, stupid hugs at every turn, and Carrie turning to Rafe b/c she and her husband can't figure out date night! FAIL!!!
You are so right the S/L are so trivial no substance or backbone to them! Nothing to root for or sink your teeth into! I want Rafe happy, but he will never find happiness with his SIL, because his SIL will drop him when she knows she has screwed up Sami’s life that’s all she wants out of life, even if she screws up her own! Plus Rafe needs someone HAWT, not a plain Jane, no chemistry SIL, if Chloe is coming back pair him up with her, now that would be a soap couple worth watching!
Edited by lovinsafe, Feb 3 2012, 01:34 PM.
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Sami,Rafe and Carrie ARE ALL in the wrong. There is no victim here, just a bunch of cheaters and liars. None of them have the right to throw the first stone, cause they are all guilty of the same thing. I just want Rafe gone and out of the Brady sisters lives.
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I'm glad that Safe shit is finally over and done with....3 fucking long years of that shit!!!!,
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Feb 4 2012, 11:41 AM
I'm glad that Safe shit is finally over and done with....3 fucking long years of that shit!!!!,
Unfortunately I have a feeling that they aren't over for the viewers just yet. Next up we'll get to watch Rafe grovel and chase Sami. I am so not looking forward to GG trying to act out groveling.
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