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SOD/SOW: Sami Kicks Rafe Out!; 2/14/12 Issue
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Topic Started: Feb 1 2012, 11:29 PM (10,624 Views)
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Feb 5 2012, 02:41 PM
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- Feb 5 2012, 12:14 AM
But when he went to prison was more storyline dictated that an actual firing. If it would have been an actual firing he wouldn't have come back 2 months later. I consider his 'firings' the two that he was gone, gone 2001 and 2010. The 2008 break I consider storyline dictated and the 2009 break I consider GT testing the waters because they were thinking of getting rid of BD, since his 'rest' then didn't affect anything, they let him go 2 months later. I've always been weary of rests but I didn't get the feeling that he was gone gone until 2009, the 2008 thing felt like they had to ship Lucas away because they needed it for story. The 2009 one was totally unnecessary, but they felt like doing it.
It took Lucas a solid 8 years before he left Salem the first time and during that time and his relationship with Sami was pretty much a full blown enemies stage. Then he came back again 10 months later and he stayed for about another 8 years....I would say that Ej is relatively new when it comes to 'time' with Sami...when you consider that he really only has 2 years more on the Sami 'meter' than Rafe does. That's why I have some questions for BD. I've heard that the only reason he returned was because of a choice DH made and that HS didn't like Lucas and was happy to be rid of him. It also fits with the rumor that I believe you told me, right? that HS intended to kill Lucas off.
During the years between Lucas' initial arrival and his firing (which would also fit as being storyline dictated imo), he and Sami weren't romantically entangled. I wouldn't count that as a time when an ex of hers got shipped off.
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Feb 7 2012, 02:59 PM
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- lysie
- Feb 2 2012, 09:23 PM
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- Feb 2 2012, 09:01 PM
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- Feb 2 2012, 07:24 PM
I think this version of Sami's "downfall" is MarDar trying to have it both ways. They are going to have Sami lose her husband, her son, her job, and whatnot so that (they think) all the fans who have despised Sami for being the pretend heroine will be happy with Sami getting "what she deserves." But, they are doing it in such a way that Sami is actualliy a victim of cruel circumstances that aren't really her fault (she didn't want to fuck EJ, she just wanted to forget the pain of her notdead son). That way, Sami can still be the pretend heroine she's always been.
And it's already working. People think Rafe kissing Carrie is worse than Sami screwing EJ? Check. People think Madison is screwing over Sami because she's having second thoughts and wants Sami to get out before she gets hurt? Check. They are making Will's hatred so OTT that some are sympathizing with Sami? Check.
This isn't Sami's downfall storyline. It's her redemption storyline. To bad I find the character irredeemable.
Though I usually agree with you, tonight I simply cannot. If Sami's grief sex with EJ had any real feeling to it/happened at a time when her life was peachy, I do not belive anyone would defend Sami. I don't think anyone really feels sorry for after her fight with Will. The dialogue is very honest and his pain is very real. After reading/watching Android's clip, I'm Team Will all the way. As for Madison, she asked Sami to take this big risk in going against Kate and now all of a sudden, she changes her mind 10 minutes later? Screw Madison and the broomstick she flew in on. Her character, for me, has been a total disappointment anyway. Though I hate Rafe, I could defend him easier, if it was a revenge makeout he was after vs. actually falling in love with Carrie. But the fact that he knows nothing of the grief sex and is putting himself in situations with a woman he knows he has feelings for makes it even worse. It doesn't feel like a redemption storyline to me. More like Mar/Dar want to play relationship switcheroo, repeat storylines and create OTT drama. Period.
I just don't feel like either Rafe or Carrie really realizes what they're doing. They just seem to be blissfully ignorant. That doesn't make it okay to kiss, though. I've been trying for weeks to put into words how I feel about Sami/Will. I like Will's dialog, and I like the way Chandler plays his contempt and glee. But he's going to call his mother a whore. Yeah, it's Sami, and I think Sami is a whore. Yeah, I think Sami has been a terrible mother to Will, and I think she should count herself lucky that it's taken him this long to crack. But I want to knock his teeth in. I'm hoping Marlena will be around one day when he's talking to Sami like that...and yeah that's one time I absolutely wouldn't mind Marlena defending Sami (though I'd prefer she also throw in a line about Sami seeing how it feels...). Meanwhile, when I first read this I was tempted to be irritated that Sami is kicking Rafe out of his own place. But actually, now that she has a job, that doesn't bother me. I know people think some characters can never win with me, but I really don't ask for much. I still don't fully trust that Sami's going to have a real fall. I'm hoping that at the very least Kate won't let me down. They managed to surprise us with Sami being a spy, maybe Kate really does have a bigger plan. I really hope so too...in the beginning, Kate and Stefano has some tricks they were playing with her and that seems to have been dropped so far which bugs me!
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Feb 8 2012, 05:48 PM
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- Feb 4 2012, 05:33 PM
like rafe's love is worth a dime!!!he's a dog for smooching of with carrie!oh,yeah sami can really feel the love! last week the pig even made sami feel like crap,just cause she was proud of herself for fooling kate!really,rafe is a sinner just like the rest of them!its bout time that new tptp finally acknowdledge that,and stop paintin rafe as a hero,but as human being..who like everybody screws up big time.it was so nauseating watchin will constantly dote on rafe...a man who isnt even his father!im so glad that rafe is gettin drag down in the mud!!!!yessss!!!!here's to safe destruction :yahoo: :whee:
:dance: :joint: :chee: I think everyone knows who the pig is in that relationship, and it ain't Rafe.
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Feb 8 2012, 08:14 PM
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- Feb 5 2012, 01:04 AM
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- Feb 5 2012, 01:01 AM
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- Feb 5 2012, 12:41 AM
I personally hope Rafe dies someway, somehow I don't really care :P .....I never could get into this character...he truly sucks....
I wish the same abt EJ (I've always had an overwhelming want to stab him with a fireplace poker). I'll give up Rafe if you'll give up EJ. With the money they save, DOOL can hire someone else we both like. :D
Lol....................Maybe the new character could be a hybrid of EJ and Rafe...... Or you guys can give them both up and bring on my Lucas! hahah
Edited by sals4, Feb 8 2012, 08:14 PM.
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Feb 8 2012, 09:01 PM
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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!
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- magicsteacher
- Feb 4 2012, 10:18 PM
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- Feb 4 2012, 10:07 PM
Rafe could die. Just like all of Sami's other men, he probably would end up "out of the picture." I don't wish unemployment for GG. Just saying. He's either going to die or leave town.
Ej is a man who has been in Sami's life and he is alive and well, unfortunately, in Salem, and Lucas is on his way back; Austin is married to her sister and living in Salem. How are all her men "out of the picture"? Seriously, you may not like GG, but I highly doubt he is going to die or leave Salem anytime soon. I am not a fan of Rafe but I do love him with Carrie. However I don`t see him lasting after Lucas comes back, I am pretty sure that Lumi is going to reunite.
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Feb 8 2012, 11:06 PM
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!
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- six
- Feb 5 2012, 02:41 PM
- LuvingLumi
- Feb 5 2012, 12:14 AM
But when he went to prison was more storyline dictated that an actual firing. If it would have been an actual firing he wouldn't have come back 2 months later. I consider his 'firings' the two that he was gone, gone 2001 and 2010. The 2008 break I consider storyline dictated and the 2009 break I consider GT testing the waters because they were thinking of getting rid of BD, since his 'rest' then didn't affect anything, they let him go 2 months later. I've always been weary of rests but I didn't get the feeling that he was gone gone until 2009, the 2008 thing felt like they had to ship Lucas away because they needed it for story. The 2009 one was totally unnecessary, but they felt like doing it.
It took Lucas a solid 8 years before he left Salem the first time and during that time and his relationship with Sami was pretty much a full blown enemies stage. Then he came back again 10 months later and he stayed for about another 8 years....I would say that Ej is relatively new when it comes to 'time' with Sami...when you consider that he really only has 2 years more on the Sami 'meter' than Rafe does.
That's why I have some questions for BD. I've heard that the only reason he returned was because of a choice DH made and that HS didn't like Lucas and was happy to be rid of him. It also fits with the rumor that I believe you told me, right? that HS intended to kill Lucas off. During the years between Lucas' initial arrival and his firing (which would also fit as being storyline dictated imo), he and Sami weren't romantically entangled. I wouldn't count that as a time when an ex of hers got shipped off. I don't buy that one bit, the story was way too scripted from the beginning for Lucas to walk in on Ejami boinking, especially if what Tom whatever his name is says is true that Will was always suppose to be Ej's shooter and that was going to come out sooner or later. But I do think the writers strike affected their original plans and then came the EP changes and well we know the rest don't we? GT shoved Lucas out, pushed Rafe in and he had his own agenda too. If the plan would have stayed in place as Tom suggested, I think Lucas would have walked away from Sami like he did, began a relationship with Chloe only for the truth to come out later than he covered for Will bringing Sami back to Lucas side a bit. I personally feel the plan was to bounce Sami between Ej and Lucas for years, but with Ali's pregnancy and the BTS changes at the time, the plans were thrown out the window and something new was written up quickly, enter Rafe, safehouse and babyswitch. It never made sense for Sami to have another child just when her twins weren't even 18 months old.
I guess you are right about the time he got fired in 2001, but when you think about it, he WAS in story with Sami and that's it, how many men is she going to have story with....I've long thought that she needs one man to fight with and another to love.....Lucas served the fighting dynamic for about a decade, then he served the romantic dynamic for about another decade, and I believe the only reason Ej is probably still in her orbit and why they keep bringing him back to her orbit is so she can have someone to fight with and fuck every 2 years or so, lol.
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Feb 9 2012, 02:35 AM
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- Feb 5 2012, 02:37 PM
I've never been particularly interested in Rafe. I think that the character has been poorly written from the very beginning. If the show so desperately wishes to keep GG, the best thing they could do is to wipe the slate clean and let GG come back as a new character.[bold] Because, let's face it, most people are weary with the character.[bold] He's been involved in lackluster plotlines and has hardly contributed anything fresh and exciting to the show. I usually don't bash actors - it feels tasteless and I understand that beauty is in the eye of the beholder - in other words, we all have our own interpretation of what is great and believable acting and most actors and actresses use themselves as a stepping board in their performances - making their talents and unique qualities vary a great deal. But the thing with GG is that he is often compared with JS. That's unfair, but I do believe that JS more often shines in his scenes than GG, who's been to me mediocre on a regular basis. Well There is no proof of what You say.. Most polls say otherwise, though we know Rafe haters here dont agree with the Polls.. But regardless, All I see is the same people Hating Rafe that have always hated him, and The same people who have liked him still like him.
Rafe haters have always been "Over him" and ready for him to go..I feel like you do, but about EJ.. He is the same all the time, I can predict almost every facial expression long before he makes it.. And The writers have sadly persisted in writing him as a snobby, preppy creep .. who I am way over .. But thats just me.. I dont presume to say Everyone feels that way. Clearly on this site He has a strong following And thats fine, I just dont want EJ fans to assume that because they Hate Rafe's character, that "Everyone does" .. Clearly thats far from the case.. Say how "You feel" but to say "Everyone" you couldnt be more wrong
But like you we ALL have to suffer through this God awful writing, from Higleys Clone ! And ALL our favorites are suffering because of it.
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Feb 9 2012, 11:50 AM
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I've never been particularly interested in Rafe. I think that the character has been poorly written from the very beginning. If the show so desperately wishes to keep GG, the best thing they could do is to wipe the slate clean and let GG come back as a new character.[bold] Because, let's face it, most people are weary with the character.[bold] He's been involved in lackluster plotlines and has hardly contributed anything fresh and exciting to the show. I usually don't bash actors - it feels tasteless and I understand that beauty is in the eye of the beholder - in other words, we all have our own interpretation of what is great and believable acting and most actors and actresses use themselves as a stepping board in their performances - making their talents and unique qualities vary a great deal. But the thing with GG is that he is often compared with JS. That's unfair, but I do believe that JS more often shines in his scenes than GG, who's been to me mediocre on a regular basis.
Well There is no proof of what You say.. Most polls say otherwise, though we know Rafe haters here dont agree with the Polls.. But regardless, All I see is the same people Hating Rafe that have always hated him, and The same people who have liked him still like him. Rafe haters have always been "Over him" and ready for him to go..I feel like you do, but about EJ.. He is the same all the time, I can predict almost every facial expression long before he makes it.. And The writers have sadly persisted in writing him as a snobby, preppy creep .. who I am way over .. But thats just me.. I dont presume to say Everyone feels that way. Clearly on this site He has a strong following And thats fine, I just dont want EJ fans to assume that because they Hate Rafe's character, that "Everyone does" .. Clearly thats far from the case.. Say how "You feel" but to say "Everyone" you couldnt be more wrong But like you we ALL have to suffer through this God awful writing, from Higleys Clone ! And ALL our favorites are suffering because of it. Certainly, when I wrote that most people are weary with the character Rafe, is was a poor choice of words. But I do not see how you could possibly exchange “most people” with “everyone”. I never once insinuated that all viewers share my opinion – my motive was to illustrate how I, based on my own observations, have come to the conclusion that when you take all viewers into consideration, JS is the preferred favorite – especially when in comparison to other male leads such as GG. And those statistics are purely empirical in nature – although they could indeed be faulty considering that I as a human being am susceptible to misinterpretation. When I later went on to compare JS and GG on their performances as actors alone, I do believe I was thorough to point out that those observations are completely biased. For example: “But the thing with GG is that he is often compared with JS. That's unfair, but I do believe that JS more often shines in his scenes than GG, who's been to me mediocre on a regular basis.” So please, next time you attempt to scrutinize my posts, do be more thorough in the constructiveness. Enforce your critic with empiricism – I noticed how you wrote “most polls”. I find it very similar to how I wrote “most people”. Should I take a leaf out of your book and interpret this as you writing “all polls”? Because if so, isn’t that a little bit far-fetched of you to claim such a thing? I stand corrected; I hope you do too now. We obviously, as fans, find ourselves on two different ends of the spectrum. This is unfortunate, but I do believe we can look pass our own bias inclinations and treat ourselves with level-headed respect and tolerance in the future. We do agree on how the writing has been quite horrid, after all!
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Feb 12 2012, 07:14 PM
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While I look forward to fun and adventurous storylines for SAFE, I have to appreciate the emphasis on the depth of their feelings for one another. Sami kicks her husband out after she flips out post his 'mess-up-impulsive-act' but she clearly does not want to be without him. She just can't rationalize her own dreadful actions & then puts the blame on him. Can't wait for her to come to terms with what she's done so they can work their way through the pain and back to each other. In my opinion and hers, Rafe is the best thing that has ever happened to her and she is the person he cares most about in the world. I can't imagine that all of the thoughtful writing & acting put into the SAFE relationship thus far is for naught. I really hope they will survive this as they are the main reason I tune in.
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Feb 13 2012, 01:35 AM
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I don't have much to add, but I do agree with the folks who are saying Carrie isn't hot (her cheekbones could be used as floatation devices, which is weird with her absurdly round face) or even noticeably better looking than Sami- you're not winning no matter what branch of that family tree you swing on.
And I disagree that a comparison between GG and JS would reflect unfavorably on GG. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't kick either of them out of bed for getting crumbs in it- if you know what I mean- but JS is an atrocious actor. He stutters and smiles inappropriately, and blinks so much that looking through his eyes has got to be like looking around a dark room with a strobe light on. He's not "Daniel and Melanie in a scene together" bad, but I don't think he's a shining example of thespianism.
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Feb 13 2012, 02:25 AM
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It's okay Sami, Lucas is coming ;) :wub:
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Feb 13 2012, 07:17 AM
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- Feb 13 2012, 01:35 AM
I don't have much to add, but I do agree with the folks who are saying Carrie isn't hot (her cheekbones could be used as floatation devices, which is weird with her absurdly round face) or even noticeably better looking than Sami- you're not winning no matter what branch of that family tree you swing on.
And I disagree that a comparison between GG and JS would reflect unfavorably on GG. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't kick either of them out of bed for getting crumbs in it- if you know what I mean- but JS is an atrocious actor. He stutters and smiles inappropriately, and blinks so much that looking through his eyes has got to be like looking around a dark room with a strobe light on. He's not "Daniel and Melanie in a scene together" bad, but I don't think he's a shining example of thespianism. I have to disagree. As a man, it's important to note that Carrie really is the prettier of the two. That's been the narrative since the Sami/Carrie feud began -- even Sami knows it, which is why she tried to steal Austin the underhanded way so long ago -- and it's apparent from the viewers' standpoint, I'd think. Rafe should easily fall for Carrie, because Carrie was, is, and probably always will be > Sami.
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