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SOD/SOW: Marriage Shocker for John and Hope!; 2/14/12 Issue
Topic Started: Feb 1 2012, 11:42 PM (27,679 Views)
AFaithL


The fact that KA is making excuses for her character already by saying, "She is sincere to Bo about nothing happening, but of course with Stefano anything is possible" proves that Jope will screw. Probably not in their right minds, but none the less, it will happen. The fact that the writers has to go to this elaborate set up to get them alone proves it. Otherwise there would be no point to this shitty storyline.

There will be NO "love overcoming all" if they are so weak-willed that they can't resist Stefano's manipulations. The writers probably mean "Bo and Marlena will be very forgiving, thus their love will win out in the end." Not that Jope will be able to overcome Stefano's initial Jawn/Gina screw.

Whatever. I want John and Marlena to have a great, soapy storyline, but I want it to have NOTHING to do with Bo and Hope. I want the two couples NOT in intertwining storylines, or intertwined in each others lives, period, except as casual friends.

I'd much rather see a huge storyline for John and Marlena involving John's death. That is preferable to him fucking another woman or sharing a child with another woman. Forget about it. She's too good of a character to have to put up with the knowledge that her husband has "ties" to Hope in any way, shape, or form. Maybe Bo deserves that, but Marlena does not. John can kiss my ass and go to hell.

Let him meet the Grim Reaper. Finish what Hogan Sheffer started. You can bring him back in a year, once Marlena has already got her free "it wasn't my fault" sex that John has been using all these years.
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Sarva
Feb 4 2012, 10:02 AM
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Feb 4 2012, 12:00 AM
yeah,i could never see the appeal on state either...starlena rocked!!!!but jarlena will be always soulmates!
I keep thinking this isn't going to be about John and Hope .... and it is more about who is left behind ..... and we will see some Stefano and Marlena ..... Bo and Billie ....


That i wouldnt mind!!!i love stefano and marlena "hate"chemistry!!!joe and dee have powerful chemistry!
but drake and kristian suck together...and the only way to give them somethin is to let them hook up!why??what would be the point...unless theyre brainswashed again...or maybe they think that theyre gonna die...

AlisonLou
Feb 4 2012, 10:06 AM
Sarva
Feb 4 2012, 10:02 AM
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Feb 4 2012, 12:00 AM
yeah,i could never see the appeal on state either...starlena rocked!!!!but jarlena will be always soulmates!
I keep thinking this isn't going to be about John and Hope .... and it is more about who is left behind ..... and we will see some Stefano and Marlena ..... Bo and Billie ....
We'll according to Peter the writers have said they are going to give Bope more therapy sessions. But when that happens is the question. No doubt the sessions will be about Billie and this latest fiasco.


exactly!!!how painful for marlena to councel her husband and the woman he cheated with...so lame!!!!
i wouldve liked more if this was just bout stefano/marlena/john...why bring hope???bo is kind of blah...and he'll prob be busy with billie..but marlena wil be by herself doin what?also why does it take 2weeks to get an annulment or divorce??maybe this is some sick joke that stefano orchestrated!!!
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Feb 4 2012, 04:52 PM
The fact that KA is making excuses for her character already by saying, "She is sincere to Bo about nothing happening, but of course with Stefano anything is possible" proves that Jope will screw. Probably not in their right minds, but none the less, it will happen. The fact that the writers has to go to this elaborate set up to get them alone proves it. Otherwise there would be no point to this shitty storyline.

There will be NO "love overcoming all" if they are so weak-willed that they can't resist Stefano's manipulations. The writers probably mean "Bo and Marlena will be very forgiving, thus their love will win out in the end." Not that Jope will be able to overcome Stefano's initial Jawn/Gina screw.

Whatever. I want John and Marlena to have a great, soapy storyline, but I want it to have NOTHING to do with Bo and Hope. I want the two couples NOT in intertwining storylines, or intertwined in each others lives, period, except as casual friends.

I'd much rather see a huge storyline for John and Marlena involving John's death. That is preferable to him fucking another woman or sharing a child with another woman. Forget about it. She's too good of a character to have to put up with the knowledge that her husband has "ties" to Hope in any way, shape, or form. Maybe Bo deserves that, but Marlena does not. John can kiss my ass and go to hell.

Let him meet the Grim Reaper. Finish what Hogan Sheffer started. You can bring him back in a year, once Marlena has already got her free "it wasn't my fault" sex that John has been using all these years.



IA!!! iwant jarlena to have a story outside of bope!let them deal with all bo's exes...but leave jarlena alone!
i guess i could handle if jope just kiss but not if they screw each other..or maybe we will be left wonderin wheter jope did it or not ..and only weeks later ...we'll know the truth...i just dont want john to develop romantic/deep feelings for hope... and as for the physical part..if he screws hope...then hes a pig!cause he knows that would kill marlena!and also she put up with his pain for 3yrs..and she doesnt deserve this slap on the face!i just cant see marlena with anyone else..roman?pls....not even bo is a great choice for marlena....maybe ian...the new guy....someonee that salem's women hasnt screwed for once..or maybe alex north can return from the dead and cause some angst...but without bope gettin involved..
as much i hated alex..in the end i knew that jarlena will end up together...so if i have to chose...i say bring back alex and bury jope for good!
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I just wanted to say that bo and hope need to have their own storyline also with out john and marlena in it.i think kristian alfonso is just giving opinion in this interview and for this board to continue to bash her and the character hope brady it is not right i am so tired of it.
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CynthiaHaskins1
Feb 4 2012, 05:33 PM
I just wanted to say that bo and hope need to have their own storyline also with out john and marlena in it.i think kristian alfonso is just giving opinion in this interview and for this board to continue to bash her and the character hope brady it is not right i am so tired of it.
Then post somewhere else. Bashing is allowed here.
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yeah,this place is dirtier than SOC and i love it! :joint: :chee:
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

I'm not saying this is my favorite story but I can't help but be intrigued. I can relate to fans of both couples being wary of this and imagining the worse can happen (Jope screw, kid somewhere that binds them, yada). But what would their fans prefer? That they get back burned again? Have no story for years and just be used to read stupid letters like in 2007, or go around banging people upside the head like in 2010? Or be off the show for 2 years like in 2009 with Jarlena?

Seriously, we have to put this all in perspective, what if the secret is that Ej is Hope and Stefano's kid? Would that really affect Bo and Hope's relationship in the end? NO, how about if Chad or Ej turn out to be John and Hope's kid, would that REALLY affect their love for their respective soul mates? NO. It just creates drama, story for them and it leads us into twists and turns that might keep us watching because at the end of the day I would rather watch my favorite character on screen than have to suffer years without it. Sure I haven't always approved of the story lines for my faves but when it comes to it, I'll deal with shitty writing, or a bad story over not having a story, my fave being wallpaper, or worse, them being off the show....

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"I like to be on top, Darling." - John Ross/Pamela

so are u saying that ej is john and hope's son...that would def shake bope and jarlena's marriage!
still that scenario is so predictable..i think maybe jope have a son out there....dont know who...but its not ej.
cause jope "marriage"was a tiny shock...but i know it wont be easy to get that annulment...im sure jope will find more news once theyre in alamania.
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If Hope and John share a child together, I think it's pretty clear that it's EJ and not Chad. The simple fact is that Chad would make no sense right now in terms of explosive storytelling, but EJ would make all the sense in the world right now. Chad has dissed the DiMeras and there's precious little evidence that he's returning back to the family. So if he's the child of Hope and John, who cares? If EJ is their child then Stefano is devastated, Hope is devastated, John is devastated, and of course EJ is devastated. EJ would be part Horton so he'll have to deal with that side of himself (and others will have to deal with him) whether he likes it or not. The good thing is that EJ would still be a DiMera also because of John, so he could still maintain close ties with the DiMera family and maintain that crazy DiMera side of himself.
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AlisonLou
Feb 4 2012, 08:29 AM
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Feb 4 2012, 07:37 AM
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Feb 4 2012, 06:14 AM
I hope that doesn't happen but this show is so fucked up it's not funny anymore!
Hope should be past the child bearing age and should be going through menopause.
But with these writers they will think it's great to have a 49 year old woman pregnant. It won't matter to them that the audience is disgusted and revolted and won't watch.
Don't forget Billie whose going to be hanging around Bo like a bad smell. And Kate begging her to get Bo back.
We will probably find out in a few months the real Gina(The Psycho) is alive (even though she died of lung cancer) and has been in Salem since John and Hope returned from Alamania and the real Hope is being held captive in Alamania.
That being said I hope Hope comes back as Hope and not Gina.
This show is going downhill.
Honey, I'm 51 years old and haven't hit menopause yet. (Pisses me off!) ANYTHING can happen on a soap. Remember Marlena's pregnancy by Winston in, what 2006? She only lost it because she fell down the stairs.
I say, BRING IT! Stir up the shit a little. Can't hurt anything anymore than it already has, no matter what the NBC "insider" says.
Gina's not coming back. Hope's going undercover to pretend to be Gina.
If you are a true Bope and Jarlena fan you wouldn't want this for them.
No one wants to see a 49 year old pregnant on a soap.
And I doubt very much KA would want her character to be pregnant on the show.
They said in Feb sweeps the story was about love being stronger then Stefano DiMera. Given the pics tweeted recently it appears both Bope and Jarlena are still together.
This isn't going to be some big adventure story.
OK. Where is the set of rules that outlines what a true fan is? Seriously? Is there, like, a TRUE FAN constitution or something like that? If so, does that make it a capital offense? Just curious. I'd like to see this law I'm breaking.
Just for the record, I'm pretty much a generalist fan. Which means, I'm not going to get my panties in a knot. Even if I chose to be a Bo fan, Hope fan, or Winston fan, or Charity Reemer fan, that's my perogative on MY feelings as a fan.
Rant over.
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AFaithL
Feb 4 2012, 03:14 AM
AlisonLou
Feb 4 2012, 01:26 AM
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Feb 1 2012, 11:47 PM
Ok...I like it...I am on board!! A bit contrived for sure, but I LOVE John/Hope stories and I LOVE when characters leave Salem on a mystery and go to places that are so obviously fake (Aremid, Alamania ect) LOVE IT!

I hope their lives are turned on their head there...and I hope they uncover more secrets there and that Stefano has a dastardly evil agenda in store for them while they are there. I also hope Marlena and Bo are heavily involved.

I am also VERY ready for a big adventure story, something that will end up with half the cast heading to Alamania as well...MAKE IT HAPPEN DAYS!
Sorry to disappoint you but John and Hope are back in Salem at the end of March.
It looks like Hope is by Bo's bedside then!
Doesn't look like an a adventure to me!
Days don't have the budget for big adventures anymore!
Oh, but you just KNOW Hope will come back pregnant. And of course she won't miscarry or abort the fetus like the audience wants. Instead she will give birth to a healthy baby, and Marlena and Bo will just have to live with it. Live with John torn between feeling guilty and wanting to be a father to that disgusting child.

No thanks. I'd rather John be permanently dead than live through that pain. I will just hate him further and further. And feel as much sympathy for him as I do Newt Gingrich. Which is a "get your tainted and disgusting self off my tv screen, you ass" type of feeling.

No. If John fucks Hope (mind control or not) and gets her pregnant, he can be mauled to death by a grizzly bear, and I wouldn't shed a tear at his demise. There is NOTHING to make him sympathetic if he does this. Just pure hatred for him.
Sorry, but "abort the fetus like the audience wants?"
Ha, first, that wouldn't be in Hope's character.
And second, this audience member would want that of NO character. Thank you.
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I think Ian will be EJ's dad. And Madison will be his sister.
James has been having scenes with Ian.
Edited by AlisonLou, Feb 4 2012, 07:20 PM.
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AlisonLou
Feb 4 2012, 07:18 PM
I think Ian will be EJ's dad. And Madison will be his sister.
James has been having scenes with Ian.
Gross! I hope not. EJ must live in the DiMera mansion.
Fortunately, the show can't afford to give him his own apartment if Stefano were to throw him out, so that's how I KNOW this won't be what happens. EJ is a DiMera.
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Feb 4 2012, 09:53 PM
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Feb 4 2012, 07:39 PM
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Feb 4 2012, 07:35 PM
Ok, I'm done ranting on this subject...unless something happens, that is. Then I'll be in rage mode again.

Still think a John "death" storyline would be a good option. Let John be presumed dead for a while, which would give DH something meaty to do.

That would be the ultimite dramatic scenerio. That's something new. It doesn't involve either of them cheating on each other (because neither John or Marlena would want to do that) or having kids with other people. Just good, high stakes drama.

Like I said, Marlena can grieve over a year's period, giving DH lots of dramatic moments to play. Of course, we the viewers would know John is alive, but Marlena wouldn't. She would have to attempt to move on without him. Not really wanting to, and not being very successful at it. She'd turn to alcohol to try to numb the pain. Sami would be a judgmental bitch, and Will would be her strongest ally. Hope and Bo would realize something is wrong, but not know how to help her. Lucas would be the one to discover the alcohol bottles in her townhouse, and Maggie would try to get her into AA. She'd have a relapse or two. Stefano would be giddy with joy. Nicole, who had addiction problems of her own, would tell him to fuck off. EJ would be torn between not wanting to see the mother of his grandchildren suffer, but also wanting to please Stefano. Then she'd succeed in overcoming her demons. This would be a 3-6 month storyline.

3 months after she's successfully recovered, John would return. By that time, she would have tried moved on, but not successfully in her heart. We get Pier Reunion, part 2. Stefano would be so pissed off that he'd try to make Marlena relapse. When that wouldn't work, he'd plant bottles of alcohol in her office, forcing her to be fired from the University. Everyone would believe that she'd returned to her desperate, alcoholic ways. The two people who don't believe that are John and Will. Will would do some sleuthing around the University,and John and Marlena would completely fall in love again.

Now THAT is a kick-ass, dramatic, storyline that doesn't involve adultery or kids.

Wishful thinking? Probably. But it would be Emmy worthy, that's for sure.

With all due respect, are you kidding?
This type of story happened already -- when John got run over by the car. Marlena thought he really died. It was compelling because it wasn't Stefano or some other ploy, but a real, hit-and-run, bloody, disgusting car accident. That's why she believed it and why Dee and Martha Madison (then belled) rocked the story. This has been done before. Writers just need to be more creative and figure out a meaty, original story for Dee.
While Deidre certainly did rock her scenes, the problem was that John's death was not about Marlena, or even about John. It was about Sami. And to a lesser degree Belle's affair with Phillip.

I'm torn between wanting Deidre to have a meaty story (and alcoholism sure would be one) and knowing that it's too out of character for Marlena. They could do a few drunken episodes that's really rooted in Marlena just feeling numb and not wanting to feel, but addiction is just too far out of character.
I'm not opposed to this discussion, and I really want to add to it, but it really belongs in the If I ran the show... thread. I'm going to move a few posts, and then we can continue the discussion there.
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Feb 4 2012, 04:52 PM
The fact that KA is making excuses for her character already by saying, "She is sincere to Bo about nothing happening, but of course with Stefano anything is possible" proves that Jope will screw. Probably not in their right minds, but none the less, it will happen. The fact that the writers has to go to this elaborate set up to get them alone proves it. Otherwise there would be no point to this shitty storyline.

There will be NO "love overcoming all" if they are so weak-willed that they can't resist Stefano's manipulations. The writers probably mean "Bo and Marlena will be very forgiving, thus their love will win out in the end." Not that Jope will be able to overcome Stefano's initial Jawn/Gina screw.

Whatever. I want John and Marlena to have a great, soapy storyline, but I want it to have NOTHING to do with Bo and Hope. I want the two couples NOT in intertwining storylines, or intertwined in each others lives, period, except as casual friends.

I'd much rather see a huge storyline for John and Marlena involving John's death. That is preferable to him fucking another woman or sharing a child with another woman. Forget about it. She's too good of a character to have to put up with the knowledge that her husband has "ties" to Hope in any way, shape, or form. Maybe Bo deserves that, but Marlena does not. John can kiss my ass and go to hell.

Let him meet the Grim Reaper. Finish what Hogan Sheffer started. You can bring him back in a year, once Marlena has already got her free "it wasn't my fault" sex that John has been using all these years.
Well gee, that's nice. LOL! Let's all wish for a beloved character to get killed off. I'm sure that will help the show. :hmmph: I'm sorry, but there is no way I want to see John killed. I actually quit watching the show back in 2007 because of the crappy way they treated Drake/John, and I only sporadically tuned in during the RoboJohn story. It wasn't until the reboot that I came back full time as a viewer, and if they even think about killing off his character again, I will be gone again. I love John Black...I have since I started watching the show in the early '90s, and one of the things I've always loved was when they would revisit the mysteries of his past. So that's why I'm looking forward to this story...I love that kind of stuff. And I do like that it is with Hope because it gives the Fab Four an opportunity to hopefully have a great storyline together again. And when this storyline is done, I have not a single doubt that all four characters will end up where they belong, but it's time the four of them are given some challenges, and hopefully it will by way of this story. I am just going to enjoy the ride and we'll see where it takes us. :wink:
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Feb 5 2012, 09:13 AM
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Feb 4 2012, 04:52 PM
The fact that KA is making excuses for her character already by saying, "She is sincere to Bo about nothing happening, but of course with Stefano anything is possible" proves that Jope will screw. Probably not in their right minds, but none the less, it will happen. The fact that the writers has to go to this elaborate set up to get them alone proves it. Otherwise there would be no point to this shitty storyline.

There will be NO "love overcoming all" if they are so weak-willed that they can't resist Stefano's manipulations. The writers probably mean "Bo and Marlena will be very forgiving, thus their love will win out in the end." Not that Jope will be able to overcome Stefano's initial Jawn/Gina screw.

Whatever. I want John and Marlena to have a great, soapy storyline, but I want it to have NOTHING to do with Bo and Hope. I want the two couples NOT in intertwining storylines, or intertwined in each others lives, period, except as casual friends.

I'd much rather see a huge storyline for John and Marlena involving John's death. That is preferable to him fucking another woman or sharing a child with another woman. Forget about it. She's too good of a character to have to put up with the knowledge that her husband has "ties" to Hope in any way, shape, or form. Maybe Bo deserves that, but Marlena does not. John can kiss my ass and go to hell.

Let him meet the Grim Reaper. Finish what Hogan Sheffer started. You can bring him back in a year, once Marlena has already got her free "it wasn't my fault" sex that John has been using all these years.
Well gee, that's nice. LOL! Let's all wish for a beloved character to get killed off. I'm sure that will help the show. :hmmph: I'm sorry, but there is no way I want to see John killed. I actually quit watching the show back in 2007 because of the crappy way they treated Drake/John, and I only sporadically tuned in during the RoboJohn story. It wasn't until the reboot that I came back full time as a viewer, and if they even think about killing off his character again, I will be gone again. I love John Black...I have since I started watching the show in the early '90s, and one of the things I've always loved was when they would revisit the mysteries of his past. So that's why I'm looking forward to this story...I love that kind of stuff. And I do like that it is with Hope because it gives the Fab Four an opportunity to hopefully have a great storyline together again. And when this storyline is done, I have not a single doubt that all four characters will end up where they belong, but it's time the four of them are given some challenges, and hopefully it will by way of this story. I am just going to enjoy the ride and we'll see where it takes us. :wink:
Love the way you layed it out. Isn't this what sweeps should be about anyway seeing characters do things out of the ordinary to keep you on the edge? with so many 90s characters back and given that Marlene and Darrell were around during the 1st run of the Princess Gina era this didn't surprise me that this is being revisited. I'm ready and excited for the journey.
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Didn't read through all the post but Jope truly disgust me and what the fuck are the writers doing!!!! I know EJ better not be their son!!!!!!!
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This secret marriage storyline is totally ridiculous. First of all, why didn't Alice just tell Hope the truth? Was Alice totally cool with Hope being an unknowing bigamist for all these years? Also, even if John and Hope can't get an annulment, why can't they just get a divorce? Or does Alamainia have a bunch of stupid, arbitrary divorce laws as well?

And what the heck does this secret marriage have to do with the money that Alice has been depositing into a bank account for the last 20 years?! Was someone blackmailing Alice about the marriage? If so, why didn't Alice just tell Hope the truth?! I have a sick feeling that the bank account money will be part of a whole new secret that Alice was keeping. Seriously, how long is this crap going to go on?
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Again, this is not Alice's secret. It's Stefano's. We still don't know Alice's secret.
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Feb 5 2012, 04:04 PM
Again, this is not Alice's secret. It's Stefano's. We still don't know Alice's secret.
I'm still not able to think of something that doesn't somehow ruin Alice's character. Alice was feisty, and she was willing to bend the rules for the people she loved, but a deal with the devil?

The biggest problem with this story is still that it makes no sense. I hate re-writing history. That said, I would love to find out Stefano's been toying with all of them at the end, when he's forced to realize that John & Marlena's love and Bo & Hope's love beat anything he tried to do. Because to me, that's what soaps (from the olden days at least) are about. True love conquers all. The good guys beat the villain.
Edited by The Room Stops, Feb 5 2012, 04:43 PM.
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