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Monday, February 6th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 3 2012, 03:28 PM (9,520 Views)
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Matt
Feb 6 2012, 02:47 PM
When Stefano was remembering how Carrie ran around that house when she was a kid, I shouted "NO SHE DIDN'T!" First of all, the DiMeras didn't OWN that fucking house when Carrie was a little girl. That house was Kim & Shane's house until they left town and Tony bought it for Kristen (and it eventually got handed off to Stefano). The DiMera house that Carrie *might* have run around in (and I still highly doubt that ever happened) was originally Kellam Chandler's mansion which was then bought by Stuart Wyland when Kellam died. After Stuart died, Stefano & Tony moved in and it was in this house that Renee had her big "tell off Salem" party and then was murdered. After Stefano died/returned/died, Neil Curtis (who married Liz Chandler) ended up buying the house and remained there until he (and the house) faded from the show in the early 1990s. It hasn't been seen since.

On the bold, this definitely happened. IDK about the scenes with Stefano/Tony/Carrie, but Anna did in fact take Carrie over to Stefano's. There was one scene (that wasn't as sweet and innocent as the stuff Stefano was talking about), Anna takes Carrie to Stefano's and either he or one of the servants gives her ice cream, then she comes running into the room later and Anna shows Stefano how she's brainwashed Carrie into hating Roman. The plan was to use Carrie to frame Roman for something.

I wish Brandon (and Faye) was here for the mayoral story. He could be caught between Nicole and Abe, then once Lexie hates Abe, she could have someone to turn to.
Edited by six, Feb 6 2012, 04:20 PM.
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lysie
Feb 6 2012, 01:58 PM
So yeah. I thought today sucked. All of the actors were off, the dialogue was inconsistent, and the "dramatic" moments were incredibly lame.
Peter Rich needs a rotten tomato thrown at him for the horrible script today.

I agree the actors were struggling with the WTF material they had to play. So much for a Friday cliffhanger having a great Monday payoff. The show fell flat imo. I can't believe they wouldn't even allow boxer Austin to get in a great left hook to amp the emotion between the two men. I think this was the time to really let Austin show his pent up anger at Rafe. Big missed opportunity there even without a brawl. I've seen Carrie and Sami shout at each other many, many times in the past over men and I know we are in for lots more regurgitation in that respect so could they at least try and make it somewhat different this time around? There is nothing spectacular here. Nothing new, nothing compelling.
The kiss reasoning was stupid, performed horribly and the fall out after disjointed and rather a weak effort in what should have been intensely charged moments. The ending scene with Safe at the loft and Rafe being angry that Sami wasn't ready to immediately put this behind them came across not as an authentic moment, but more as a quick wrap up so she could shout for him to 'get out' to lead to the next day show. I hate that kind of writing.

Not Days best effort today.

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Today's show was disappointing. The Sami/Austin/Carrie/Rafe scenes were way too rushed. What happened today should've played out over the span of two or three episodes. I would've liked the Sami/Carrie fight to play out over the course of the whole episode with Austin walking in at the end and finding out about the kiss. Cliffhanger. Then tomorrow could've picked up with Austin confronting Carrie and Sami having it out with Rafe at their apartment. Wednesday's episode would resolve the conflicts with Sami kicking Rafe out of their apartment and Austin "leaving" Carrie to drink his sorrows away with Abby. That's how it should've played out, IMO. Instead, the writers decided to rush through it all by cramming it into one episode. Why do they do this? They stall the stories for months at a time and then once things finally start to happen, they rush right through it like they can't get to the next plot point fast enough. There's so much drama and emotion they could milk out of this if they would just allow the beats to play out at a more even pace, but instead they decide to stall and rush, stall and rush. It doesn't make sense.

My other gripe was the acting. Christie, Galen, Patrick and Ali all failed to deliver. I give Ali credit for at least trying to show Sami's anger but her acting was so uneven. She went from looking like a murderous madwoman to seeming only slightly pissed to looking like a madwoman again in the span of just two or three minutes. Her rage wasn't sustained. She was all over the place. Likewise, Austin should've hit the roof when he found out about the kiss but instead he seemed only mildly perturbed by it. His reaction wasn't nearly dramatic enough.

Like everything else on this show, the scenes failed to pack a punch. Here we are in the climax of the story and no one really cares because the writing is so weak. There was no excitement, no drama, no emotional impact. Everything fell flat. Part of that is because the writers failed to build this story in a way that made viewers care and part of it is because they rushed through the climax. Even more proof that Darrell and Marlene don't know how to write.
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Hamilton
Feb 6 2012, 04:26 PM
I can't believe they wouldn't even allow boxer Austin to get in a great left hook to amp the emotion between the two men.

Days much prefers women physically fighting each other to men fighting. Drives me crazy.
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Ellie
Feb 6 2012, 04:39 PM
Hamilton
Feb 6 2012, 04:26 PM
I can't believe they wouldn't even allow boxer Austin to get in a great left hook to amp the emotion between the two men.

Days much prefers women physically fighting each other to men fighting. Drives me crazy.
Well to be honest...woman fighting is much more entertaining to me then men fighting....for me it is MUCH more hilarious!

So I hope that trend continues :)
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justforfun


Writing sucked. Acting fell flat. Sami should've been more heartbroken when she walked in before she got pissed And I hate the Sami deep voice when she is pissed Ick - it just takes away from the actual scene. The CAFE kiss should have not been passionate at all - it should have stayed more soft like it was at the beginning. A "little bit" innocent. Then their lame ass excuse wouldn't have been so pathetic. Austin should have shown more disgust and gone after Rafe. And Rafe should have shown more regret. Every single one of them should have done better. But I blame alot of it on the rushed production. Scenes like this deserve a little more thought put into it.
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I think when you write drama just for the sake of it, you don't put any heart into your stories, and you don't give viewers a reason to care.

Everything with this story has been plot plot plot from the time EJ and Sami had sex. The characters themselves are meaningless, with no motivation, and the show rushes through most of the motivation and the payoffs. Why do Carrie and Rafe have feelings for each other? It doesn't matter.

It's just these very basic story outlines which sound brilliant on paper (Will is the new Sami, Sami is the new Marlena, Carrie/Rafe are some type of distorted flashback to Sami/Austin, Abigail is the new Sami chasing after Austin) and they just rely on this regurgitation of history instead of actually telling a story.
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kimandshane


To me, it's like the art of acting has been lost. There is no subtext, no subtlety, no access to the internal worlds of these characters. I feel nothing and characters come across as vacant and detached. I think if the actors sat around a conference table and read lines from a script, it wouldn't be any less compelling! Patsy Pease once said that the best piece of advice she received from Frances Reid was that projection is not acting; Alison Sweeney would be well advised to consider that.
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I completely agree. I heard an interview with Sheri Anderson a while back where she said (paraphrasing) that she deliberately wrote scenes in a way that let the actors do their jobs and fill in the subtext of the scene. It's not that she wrote minimal dialogue, but that she wrote it in a minimalistic way. The dialogue wasn't used to tell the actors or the audience what the characters were feeling (at least not all the time). That's what she expected the actors to do.

Ever since I heard that interview, it's given me a new perspective on scenes from that era. It's easy to see the spaces she (and her writing team) left for the actors to fill. That's why in any given scene or set of scenes, there might be an entire emotional arc being played out completely underneath the actual dialogue. The actors knew their characters and were allowed the freedom to act, not just recite lines and fake whatever emotion the script told them they should be feeling. The script never had to tell me why Steve fell for Kayla or why Kayla fell for Steve. And, in fact, it never did. But the actors did. That's the type of thing that is desperately missing these days.
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lysie
Feb 6 2012, 01:48 PM
I just popped two pills to get me through the rest of today's show.
LOL...hilarious!
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This episode is so disjointed. Forced myself to watch to see the cafe/sami/austin confrontation. Have to agree with others in that it didn't flow right. Days should have spent some extra time getting these scenes right. Maybe they could have skipped Bope talking about that damn envelope for a day and fleshed out a major confrontation instead.

Anyways, I'm really distracted by the fact that cafe think an 'innocent' kiss involves tongue. :makeout: :huh1:
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Totally disappointing episode. We were left with a cliff hanger on Friday and today's show was a total let down. The dialogue was off, the acting wasn't good, and the direction wasn't great either. There is little or no story development, just rush, rush, rush to get to the next plot point which is why all of this Carrie/Austin/Sami/Rafe stuff is all so unbeliveable. There should have been much more emotion shown by Carrie and Rafe when they got caught- instead we got an "oops, we were excited, sorry".
I get the impression that the actors themselves are frustrated with what they are being given, and they are just trying to get throught it and get it all over with.
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I want AS to see a speech therapist to teach her how to talk with out curling her upper lip over her teeth. It is distracting and makes her look foolish when she is yelling.
Today's show was bad.I have to agree with whomever said that the interaction between R,S,C,& A should have played out over 3 days. Everyone went from 0 to 10 in a heartbeat. I wish the kiss had been more tentative, as if there was some reluctance in getting to that point. A quick pull away would have worked and a lot more expressions of guilt; for kissing and/or getting caught.
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uclan
Feb 6 2012, 10:39 PM
I want AS to see a speech therapist to teach her how to talk with out curling her upper lip over her teeth. It is distracting and makes her look foolish when she is yelling.
I'm so glad this bothers other people.
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See, I get the "we were excited" comment, because neither want to admit to their respective spouses that they are HOT for each other starting way back when John was arrested and they were on each other's sides. I can't blame them, really, for giving that excuse. It's the least painful.

As for Sami, she doesn't believe what she did with EJ was worse, because she knows she doesn't give a RATS FART about him, whereas she knows with Carrie and Rafe, there are REAL FEELINGS there. I get this TOTALLY. She doesn't think she's not wrong for what she did, she just thinks its not as bad because she doesn't care about her co-cheater.

I think that's part of her problem. She equates cheating and having feelings about the person you're cheating with is the real sin, a la the Jarlena affair, but in all actuality cheating with someone you love is probably better than cheating with someone you hate. (and makes more sense).

Lastly, of course Sheri Anderson is a way better writer than the morons we have today, but she used to get YEARS to tell a love story. Now everything is so rushed, there are so many partner switches it is really not clear who will get to be/stay together, so you truly don't know who to root for. I don't know who to blame for this? Higs? Mar/Dar? Corday? Death to them all.
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michelle
Feb 6 2012, 10:49 PM
I think that's part of her problem. She equates cheating and having feelings about the person you're cheating with is the real sin, a la the Jarlena affair, but in all actuality cheating with someone you love is probably better than cheating with someone you hate. (and makes more sense).
Interesting theory, but I really think she's just a hypocrite who expects forgiveness for her own sins ("you have to UNDERSTAND me, Will!") while doling out the death penalty for transgressions against herself. I really think she and Daniel are soulmates.
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Matt
Feb 6 2012, 02:47 PM
Today was... uneven at best. It was like they had a mandate to include as much WTFery as possible in 40 minutes.

Today's DAYS was directed by Grant A. Johnson (who directed last Friday's show) and written by Peter T. Rich.

When Stefano was remembering how Carrie ran around that house when she was a kid, I shouted "NO SHE DIDN'T!" First of all, the DiMeras didn't OWN that fucking house when Carrie was a little girl. That house was Kim & Shane's house until they left town and Tony bought it for Kristen (and it eventually got handed off to Stefano). The DiMera house that Carrie *might* have run around in (and I still highly doubt that ever happened) was originally Kellam Chandler's mansion which was then bought by Stuart Wyland when Kellam died. After Stuart died, Stefano & Tony moved in and it was in this house that Renee had her big "tell off Salem" party and then was murdered. After Stefano died/returned/died, Neil Curtis (who married Liz Chandler) ended up buying the house and remained there until he (and the house) faded from the show in the early 1990s. It hasn't been seen since.

I don't know why Abe doesn't just say that he did find the debate questions in EJ's drawer and simply replaced them with fake "prep" questions that he had on him to teach EJ a lesson for cheating. Not entirely the truth, but a plausible explanation that nips the entire scenerio in the bud. EJ/Nicole wouldn't be able to pin Abe for cheating without openly admitting that they were planning to cheat, too. And, seriously, as much as Jennifer annoys me lately, I'd love for her to punch Nicole in the face. Nothing annoys me more than liars & cheats getting all pissy & uppity when someone else lies & cheats.

And when the FUCK did Lexie turn into Pollyana?! Memo to Abe: you lied about a debate. A DEBATE. Against a known criminal, abuser, victimizer, and general all-around LOUSE. If Lexie gets pissed, you should ask her when she's planning to take another baby. Or when she plans on turning Hope into Princess Gina again via a brain chip. Or when she plans to having another affair with the first piece of dark chocolate that catches her eye. The only reason Abe might be considered boring is that he's stood by her ridiculous, lying, skank ho ass for so many years.

Sami throwing wild accusations at Carrie didn't bother me in the least and I didn't view it as revisionist history on the part of the show. I saw it as revisionist history on the part of SAMI and completely believeable and valid from her (not entirely accurate) point of view. Yes, we as viewers saw things differently, but that's not how Sami saw things (and, even if she did see them as they really were, that doesn't mean she wouldn't "color" the retelling of events in a way that totally changed the events).

Every time Stefano & Kate get lovey-dovey, I'm reminded that he forced her to marry him by blackmailing her over the fact that she tried to kill Chloe and Daniel. <sarcasm> It's a true love match. </sarcasm>

Bo. Hope. Shouldn't you be discussing this AT HOME. Oh, yeah. I forgot. You don't have one of those anymore because of the Town Square That Ate Salem. The only thing all of Bo/Hope's scenes at the Horton house are missing are Tangina sweeping the rooms for traces of approval and guidence from Tom & Alice. And, Hope, I have sign for you. It says "You're a fucking idiot. Get on with it."

She gasp. He hands fluttered. She dropped the paper and it drifted to the floor. My eyes rolled.

When Sami speaks when she's angry, she reminds me of the screeching bird woman in that one commercial set in the office where she squaks and shatters the glass (although I forget what product it was for).
Whoa... that wasn't ALWAYS the DiMera mansion? Well, hell. I'm dating myself -- and color me shocked! What an eye-opener! :o
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Feb 6 2012, 02:54 PM
Kristian Alfonso was HORRIBLE today. Really, I think her acting has gotten so much worse over the years. If you can't emote, please don't pretend to by scrunching up your face and trying to make your chin quiver. And the difference in capability between her and Peter is sooo glaringly obvious. I'd rather she take a clue from GG and just be stone-faced. I think.

Stefano being diabetic and them talking about it all the time, and having Kate check his sugar, etc., just makes him appear weak. Stefano is not supposed to appear weak. And now he's scared shitless about this secret. Blah. Makes me want to hug him and I should NOT want to hug Stefano Dimera.

The kiss with Rafe and Carrie fell kinda flat. The build up to it came off as friendly, not passionate. There wasn't any noticeable tension until they pulled away from each other and then it was like the actors suddenly remembered they were supposed to be playing it as if they were attracted to each other. I do think GG and CC have chemistry but the scene sucked. And they're rushing it, IMO.

PM was great today. AS wasn't grating, as she normally is, but still got on my nerves. Sami is nothing but a hypocritical bitch and I truly hope she gets everything she has coming to her. PLEASE let Marlena face her up. Nothing elaborate. It doesn't have to be. It can just be a couple of lines, but DH can make those two lines enough.

Jennifer is just...bad. Really, bad. She's like a fifth wheel in the mayoral story. I kind of like the competitiveness between EJ and Abe, and Nicole egging it on, but I don't like Lexie being all holier-than-thou. A saint she is not.

The hard part most vet viewers will have to come to grips with -- me included -- is that Stefano is aging, bottom line.
Even in "The Godfather," the elder Corleone became frail and his grandson inadvertently killed him with that pump spray thing. I don't think it's out of character for Stefano to become frail to some degree. Even this "Phoenix" has to deal with biology...
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I think that kristian alfonso is a awesome actress all she need is better material and storyline to showcase her amazing talents.
Edited by CynthiaHaskins1, Feb 6 2012, 11:16 PM.
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lysie


CynthiaHaskins1
Feb 6 2012, 11:16 PM
I think that kristian alfonso is a awesome actress all she need is better material and storyline to showcase her amazing talents.
I like Kristian, too, but I thought she sucked today.
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