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Tuesday, February 7th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 6 2012, 02:42 PM (13,375 Views)
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lysie
Feb 6 2012, 03:09 PM
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Feb 6 2012, 03:01 PM
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Feb 6 2012, 02:59 PM

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That really has nothing to do with it....Carrie cheated on Austin...Marlena would never lessen the wrongness of that EVER!
I'd like to think that Marlena told Carrie that she did nothing wrong by KISSING Rafe because she knows her whore of a daughter actually FUCKED EJ for no reason!!!
OH, you know....I don't think so, but that's a good point. She is the only person that knows both things happened.
And that might work (not for me, but for others) if Carrie was single and kissing Sami's husband but the fact is, Carrie betrayed Austin and he's done nothing to deserve that.
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Feb 6 2012, 02:54 PM
For the love of Pete, Marlena. But the next part makes it slightly better. Slightly.
Exactly. I'll see how it plays out, though. The last part sounds like she's giving her some tough love. For Pete's sake, Marlena would never say "you did nothing wrong". She was all over Carrie's ass for the Mike thing!

Good for Carrie talking about it, though, and feeling guilty. She and Austin needs to have a long talk about whatever the hell is going on with their marriage.


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Well to be fair, those two haven't tried to ruin her life for the past 20 years. Just saying.
That really has nothing to do with it....Carrie cheated on Austin...Marlena would never lessen the wrongness of that EVER!
No no, I was addressing the people who were saying that Marlena has a soft spot for Carrie and Belle where she doesn't have one for Sami. I'd agree with that, but what I'm trying to say is that it's because of her 20 year antagonistic history with Sami, not because she's naturally favoring one child over the other. If you watch 93 pre-conference-room, Marlena was just as warm and fuzzy with Sami as she was with anyone else.
OH! LOL...ok yah I completely agree with you :)

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I'd like to think that Marlena told Carrie that she did nothing wrong by KISSING Rafe because she knows her whore of a daughter actually FUCKED EJ for no reason!!!
OH, you know....I don't think so, but that's a good point. She is the only person that knows both things happened.
And that might work (not for me, but for others) if Carrie was single and kissing Sami's husband but the fact is, Carrie betrayed Austin and he's done nothing to deserve that.
I'd already forgotten about Austin, lol. No, it doesn't work for me either, but it does add a little more to the interaction overall.
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That really has nothing to do with it....Carrie cheated on Austin...Marlena would never lessen the wrongness of that EVER!
I'd like to think that Marlena told Carrie that she did nothing wrong by KISSING Rafe because she knows her whore of a daughter actually FUCKED EJ for no reason!!!
OH, you know....I don't think so, but that's a good point. She is the only person that knows both things happened.
Totally forgot Marlena knows about the EJAMI affair...and yah I sorta can see that side...but Marlena still should have told Carrie that kissing Rafe was wrong and that she needs to make it right.
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Feb 6 2012, 03:06 PM
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The scene would have played out better if Marlena DID pointout the wrongfull ness of what Carrie did, but still showed her concern and support....but tell her she did nothing wrong...NO..just NO!

Like when she confronted Belle and Phelle. Or even like she was with Carrie in 99. Maybe it'll play out better than it reads.
Exactly. Marlena comforting Belle on the Phelle thing was some good writing. She was sympathetic but not condone it.
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I'd like to think that Marlena told Carrie that she did nothing wrong by KISSING Rafe because she knows her whore of a daughter actually FUCKED EJ for no reason!!!
OH, you know....I don't think so, but that's a good point. She is the only person that knows both things happened.
And that might work (not for me, but for others) if Carrie was single and kissing Sami's husband but the fact is, Carrie betrayed Austin and he's done nothing to deserve that.
Agreed! Austin is the one getting shit on and for what...a useless character like Rafe?

NO THANKS!

I love Austin & Carrie, so I am very upset about this...just as pissed as I was when Carrie did this to him when she fucked Mike... :( at least then Austin was off running around with Sami (which I HATED!!!!!!!!!)...but this time she has no defense...she let her marriage slide and did nothing to fix it and never addressed the problems.

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OH, you know....I don't think so, but that's a good point. She is the only person that knows both things happened.
And that might work (not for me, but for others) if Carrie was single and kissing Sami's husband but the fact is, Carrie betrayed Austin and he's done nothing to deserve that.
Agreed! Austin is the one getting shit on and for what...a useless character like Rafe?

NO THANKS!

I love Austin & Carrie, so I am very upset about this...just as pissed as I was when Carrie did this to him when she fucked Mike... :( at least then Austin was off running around with Sami (which I HATED!!!!!!!!!)...but this time she has no defense...she let her marriage slide and did nothing to fix it and never addressed the problems.

I don't think he's done nothing. I think some of the things he did before Christmas were enough to drive a wedge. From the stupid contrived things with Sami, to being on the opposite side of his wife's "father's" trial. It doesn't mean he deserves it, but I don't think he's just innocent. The stuff with Austin/Sami right after the reset seems to have been buried.
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I also am tired of DAYS having everyone cheat or fuck around behind their husband/wife/girlfriend/boyfriends back 24/7...I mean I know this adds drama and is a very realistic thing..but come one...DAYS relies on this affair/cheating angle TOO much....almost as much as they rely on Kidnapping or Child Sickness for drama.
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Feb 6 2012, 02:59 PM
In 99, Marlena told Carrie she most certainly did do something wrong (with Mike). Sounds like pretty bad writing here. Thanks Skye!
Def bad writing, and I hate it. Another reason for Sami to look sympathetic against her mother. Totally selfish of me but lately I feel like it would have been better had J&M just not returned. I was done with this show and wasn't really missing it. Now they're back and aside from some cute random scenes I'm dreading a majority of the stuff they're involved it. Blah.
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Feb 6 2012, 03:17 PM
I don't think he's done nothing. I think some of the things he did before Christmas were enough to drive a wedge. From the stupid contrived things with Sami, to being on the opposite side of his wife's "father's" trial. It doesn't mean he deserves it, but I don't think he's just innocent.
I agree... the writers didn't do a good job fleshing it out at all, but I think we were supposed to get the idea that he was being insensitive to Carrie as she tried her hardest to prove John's innocence.
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Feb 6 2012, 02:58 PM
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As wrong as Marlena is, it's pretty consistent with how she normally treats Carrie and Belle. That is the one thing I'll always agree with Sami on. She puts those two on a pedestal and always finds some sort of excuse for them but not for Sami. Treat them all equally and, if any of them do something wrong, call them on it rightfully.

This all comes off like it will be written better than today at least.

I agree about the pedestal thing...but Marlena telling Carrie she did NOTHING wrong after she admitted she just cheated on her husband is IMO majorly out of character for Marlena. Marlena would never tell any of her daughters that they did nothing wrong when cheating on their husbands...sorry that is not consistent at all, that is RIDICULOUS and POOR character writing!
No disagreement from me on that. It is OOC and shoddy writing but making excuses for Carrie isn't.

As I said, I know Marlena took issue with Carrie in 1999 over Mike and also took issue with Belle over Philip a few years back too. However, there is a difference between how she treated them and how she's treated Sami when she does something. I mean, just talking about what has happened during this regime, Marlena couldn't even be bothered to go and comfort her daughter after Johnny went missing. John didn't need her. He was just in a room down the hall waiting around. Sami, on the other hand, was distraught over her son and could've used her mother. I get they have issues and Sami didn't exactly ask for her but Marlena could've at least shown up. I know someone will say that the writers are the reason for that but we're not discussing the writing here. We're discussing what actually transpires onscreen in this instance.

I get Sami has done worse in terms of destroying alot of people's lives. I also know she's put Marlena through hell and that she treated her pretty normally prior to 1993 BUT Sami is still her daughter. I don't care what happened. She still should be a bit more reasonable and understanding, especially since they always have Marlena feeling responsible for so much of what Sami has done because she was absent from her life when she was younger and because Sami saw her and John. She always has a very condescending reaction to Sami. She acts guilty about what has happened to Sami and blames herself but never shows any of that sentiment to Sami's face. Never. I think that is a choice the writers make and, in a way, I'm glad they do. I like that they have these dynamics in play because it's interesting. It's realistic. Families can be like that. They have dynamics like Marlena, Carrie, Sami, and Belle have. Children get favored over one another. It happens.

I don't have a horse in the race. I don't prefer any character over the other here so it's nothing like that. I just find that this episode is showing that Sami has a point when it comes to the Carrie/Belle stuff she's brought up in the past. That's all.
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And that might work (not for me, but for others) if Carrie was single and kissing Sami's husband but the fact is, Carrie betrayed Austin and he's done nothing to deserve that.
Agreed! Austin is the one getting shit on and for what...a useless character like Rafe?

NO THANKS!

I love Austin & Carrie, so I am very upset about this...just as pissed as I was when Carrie did this to him when she fucked Mike... :( at least then Austin was off running around with Sami (which I HATED!!!!!!!!!)...but this time she has no defense...she let her marriage slide and did nothing to fix it and never addressed the problems.

I don't think he's done nothing. I think some of the things he did before Christmas were enough to drive a wedge. From the stupid contrived things with Sami, to being on the opposite side of his wife's "father's" trial. It doesn't mean he deserves it, but I don't think he's just innocent. The stuff with Austin/Sami right after the reset seems to have been buried.
No he is not innocent...I mean he was against John...who is basically Carrie's father...so I understand that driving a wedge, but he did not go off and fuck around behind her back...in my mind there is just no need for cheating.

Plus she just told Austin they would try an work on things at the HTS in an earlier episode...then she goes and toungues Rafe...maybe I am more tired of DAYS writing Carrie as a cheating slut of a wife than anything else.
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Feb 6 2012, 02:56 PM
As wrong as Marlena is, it's pretty consistent with how she normally treats Carrie and Belle. That is the one thing I'll always agree with Sami on. She puts those two on a pedestal and always finds some sort of excuse for them but not for Sami. Treat them all equally and, if any of them do something wrong, call them on it rightfully.

This all comes off like it will be written better than today at least.

Completely disagree. That one line is some bad writing, but if anything Marlena is TOO forgiving and enabling of Sami....she constantly makes excuses for her fucked up ways.

Marlena has NEVER favored one child over the other. However, two of her daughters haven't treated her like shit for 20 years, while the other one has.

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Feb 6 2012, 03:20 PM
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Feb 6 2012, 02:58 PM
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Feb 6 2012, 02:56 PM
As wrong as Marlena is, it's pretty consistent with how she normally treats Carrie and Belle. That is the one thing I'll always agree with Sami on. She puts those two on a pedestal and always finds some sort of excuse for them but not for Sami. Treat them all equally and, if any of them do something wrong, call them on it rightfully.

This all comes off like it will be written better than today at least.

I agree about the pedestal thing...but Marlena telling Carrie she did NOTHING wrong after she admitted she just cheated on her husband is IMO majorly out of character for Marlena. Marlena would never tell any of her daughters that they did nothing wrong when cheating on their husbands...sorry that is not consistent at all, that is RIDICULOUS and POOR character writing!
No disagreement from me on that. It is OOC and shoddy writing but making excuses for Carrie isn't.

As I said, I know Marlena took issue with Carrie in 1999 over Mike and also took issue with Belle over Philip a few years back too. However, there is a difference between how she treated them and how she's treated Sami when she does something. I mean, just talking about what has happened during this regime, Marlena couldn't even be bothered to go and comfort her daughter after Johnny went missing. John didn't need her. He was just in a room down the hall waiting around. Sami, on the other hand, was distraught over her son and could've used her mother. I get they have issues and Sami didn't exactly ask for her but Marlena could've at least shown up. I know someone will say that the writers are the reason for that but we're not discussing the writing here. We're discussing what actually transpires onscreen in this instance.

I get Sami has done worse in terms of destroying alot of people's lives. I also know she's put Marlena through hell and that she treated her pretty normally prior to 1993 BUT Sami is still her daughter. I don't care what happened. She still should be a bit more reasonable and understanding, especially since they always have Marlena feeling responsible for so much of what Sami has done because she was absent from her life when she was younger and because Sami saw her and John. She always has a very condescending reaction to Sami. She acts guilty about what has happened to Sami and blames herself but never shows any of that sentiment to Sami's face. Never. I think that is a choice the writers make and, in a way, I'm glad they do. I like that they have these dynamics in play because it's interesting. It's realistic. Families can be like that. They have dynamics like Marlena, Carrie, Sami, and Belle have. Children get favored over one another. It happens.

I don't have a horse in the race. I don't prefer any character over the other here so it's nothing like that. I just find that this episode is showing that Sami has a point when it comes to the Carrie/Belle stuff she's brought up in the past. That's all.
Actually, so far Marlena has been reasonable and understanding about what Sami did this time. She made excuses for her, too. She hasn't talked to Sami about it, so she hasn't had a chance to tell her she didn't do anything wrong, but she gave the same kind of excuses to Will and took the blame on herself when she found out.
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As wrong as Marlena is, it's pretty consistent with how she normally treats Carrie and Belle. That is the one thing I'll always agree with Sami on. She puts those two on a pedestal and always finds some sort of excuse for them but not for Sami. Treat them all equally and, if any of them do something wrong, call them on it rightfully.

This all comes off like it will be written better than today at least.

I agree about the pedestal thing...but Marlena telling Carrie she did NOTHING wrong after she admitted she just cheated on her husband is IMO majorly out of character for Marlena. Marlena would never tell any of her daughters that they did nothing wrong when cheating on their husbands...sorry that is not consistent at all, that is RIDICULOUS and POOR character writing!
No disagreement from me on that. It is OOC and shoddy writing but making excuses for Carrie isn't.

As I said, I know Marlena took issue with Carrie in 1999 over Mike and also took issue with Belle over Philip a few years back too. However, there is a difference between how she treated them and how she's treated Sami when she does something. I mean, just talking about what has happened during this regime, Marlena couldn't even be bothered to go and comfort her daughter after Johnny went missing. John didn't need her. He was just in a room down the hall waiting around. Sami, on the other hand, was distraught over her son and could've used her mother. I get they have issues and Sami didn't exactly ask for her but Marlena could've at least shown up. I know someone will say that the writers are the reason for that but we're not discussing the writing here. We're discussing what actually transpires onscreen in this instance.

I get Sami has done worse in terms of destroying alot of people's lives. I also know she's put Marlena through hell and that she treated her pretty normally prior to 1993 BUT Sami is still her daughter. I don't care what happened. She still should be a bit more reasonable and understanding, especially since they always have Marlena feeling responsible for so much of what Sami has done because she was absent from her life when she was younger and because Sami saw her and John. She always has a very condescending reaction to Sami. She acts guilty about what has happened to Sami and blames herself but never shows any of that sentiment to Sami's face. Never. I think that is a choice the writers make and, in a way, I'm glad they do. I like that they have these dynamics in play because it's interesting. It's realistic. Families can be like that. They have dynamics like Marlena, Carrie, Sami, and Belle have. Children get favored over one another. It happens.

I don't have a horse in the race. I don't prefer any character over the other here so it's nothing like that. I just find that this episode is showing that Sami has a point when it comes to the Carrie/Belle stuff she's brought up in the past. That's all.
Marlena has never favored one child over the other.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepCarrie betrayed Austin and he's done nothing to deserve that.
Agreed! Austin is the one getting shit on and for what...a useless character like Rafe?

NO THANKS!

I love Austin & Carrie, so I am very upset about this...just as pissed as I was when Carrie did this to him when she fucked Mike... :( at least then Austin was off running around with Sami (which I HATED!!!!!!!!!)...but this time she has no defense...she let her marriage slide and did nothing to fix it and never addressed the problems.

I don't think he's done nothing. I think some of the things he did before Christmas were enough to drive a wedge. From the stupid contrived things with Sami, to being on the opposite side of his wife's "father's" trial. It doesn't mean he deserves it, but I don't think he's just innocent. The stuff with Austin/Sami right after the reset seems to have been buried.
No he is not innocent...I mean he was against John...who is basically Carrie's father...so I understand that driving a wedge, but he did not go off and fuck around behind her back...in my mind there is just no need for cheating.

Plus she just told Austin they would try an work on things at the HTS in an earlier episode...then she goes and toungues Rafe...maybe I am more tired of DAYS writing Carrie as a cheating slut of a wife than anything else.
He didn't, but there were close calls with him and Sami, too. They didn't do it, and I'm not saying anything with them was on the same level, but he did enough to catch both Carrie and Rafe's attention.
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As wrong as Marlena is, it's pretty consistent with how she normally treats Carrie and Belle. That is the one thing I'll always agree with Sami on. She puts those two on a pedestal and always finds some sort of excuse for them but not for Sami. Treat them all equally and, if any of them do something wrong, call them on it rightfully.

This all comes off like it will be written better than today at least.

Completely disagree. That one line is some bad writing, but if anything Marlena is TOO forgiving and enabling of Sami....she constantly makes excuses for her fucked up ways.

Marlena has NEVER favored one child over the other. However, two of her daughters haven't treated her like shit for 20 years, while the other one has.

I mostly agree...but Marlena has been much more pleasant towards Sami's cuntiness since she has come back this time around then ever before...I mean Marlena certainly let Sami know how she felt when the lies about Will paternity were exposed by Carrie at Sami/Austin wedding....

here is the proof ----> Posted Image (I know this slap was brought on by her nasty comment about Jarlena's relationship....but the dialogue that followed was dripping with disdain about what Sami had recently done to Caustin)

And I remember her sorta laying into Sami after the Vegas reveal that Lucas did not hit Will, a lie Sami kept for years, after Austin left her at the altar.

Marlena was much more critical of Sami before, than she is now. Most mothers would not put up with the kind of shit Sami has spewed at her over the last 6 months..I know my mother would have not put up with one second of that crap.
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As wrong as Marlena is, it's pretty consistent with how she normally treats Carrie and Belle. That is the one thing I'll always agree with Sami on. She puts those two on a pedestal and always finds some sort of excuse for them but not for Sami. Treat them all equally and, if any of them do something wrong, call them on it rightfully.

This all comes off like it will be written better than today at least.

Completely disagree. That one line is some bad writing, but if anything Marlena is TOO forgiving and enabling of Sami....she constantly makes excuses for her fucked up ways.

Marlena has NEVER favored one child over the other. However, two of her daughters haven't treated her like shit for 20 years, while the other one has.

I would have a hard time treating either of my parents the same way as before if one cheated on the other. I would forgive eventually but it changes things. Not to mention, not even bothering to be there for me if my own child was missing like Marlena wasn't when Johnny first went missing. Yes, she showed up later on but that happened once John was able to come along so there you go.

Sami has done alot of awful things but that doesn't excuse what Marlena has done. It's clear she doesn't treat them equally. Now, she tried alot in the 90's with Sami, sure. However, somewhere along the way, she kind of just settled for their relationship being what it is and now she doesn't even try IMO.
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Feb 6 2012, 02:56 PM
As wrong as Marlena is, it's pretty consistent with how she normally treats Carrie and Belle. That is the one thing I'll always agree with Sami on. She puts those two on a pedestal and always finds some sort of excuse for them but not for Sami. Treat them all equally and, if any of them do something wrong, call them on it rightfully.

This all comes off like it will be written better than today at least.

Completely disagree. That one line is some bad writing, but if anything Marlena is TOO forgiving and enabling of Sami....she constantly makes excuses for her fucked up ways.

Marlena has NEVER favored one child over the other. However, two of her daughters haven't treated her like shit for 20 years, while the other one has.

I mostly agree...but Marlena has been much more pleasant towards Sami's cuntiness since she has come back this time around then ever before...I mean Marlena certainly let Sami know how she felt when the lies about Will paternity were exposed by Carrie at Sami/Austin wedding....

here is the proof ----> Posted Image

And I remember her sorta laying into Sami after the Vegas reveal that Lucas did not hit Will, a lie Sami kept for years, after Austin left her at the altar.
That slap was actually a reaction to Sami calling her a slut or something.

In Vegas, Austin didn't tell them what happened. At the moment, I can't remember when they found out, but Marlena comforted Sami and held her even after they knew that whatever had happened must have been big.

Actually, my favorite example of Marlena NOT assuming the worst of Sami is when she came back from Melaswen/Tony's castle. EVERYONE had turned against Sami, and they didn't yet know she was Stan. After hearing what happened, Marlena told Will that it didn't sound like Sami and that it's not like Sami not to have an excuse, so she thought she was probably innocent. And she was right.
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