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Tuesday, February 7th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 6 2012, 02:42 PM (13,374 Views)
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lysie
Feb 6 2012, 03:22 PM
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Feb 6 2012, 03:20 PM
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Feb 6 2012, 02:58 PM
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Feb 6 2012, 02:56 PM
As wrong as Marlena is, it's pretty consistent with how she normally treats Carrie and Belle. That is the one thing I'll always agree with Sami on. She puts those two on a pedestal and always finds some sort of excuse for them but not for Sami. Treat them all equally and, if any of them do something wrong, call them on it rightfully.

This all comes off like it will be written better than today at least.

I agree about the pedestal thing...but Marlena telling Carrie she did NOTHING wrong after she admitted she just cheated on her husband is IMO majorly out of character for Marlena. Marlena would never tell any of her daughters that they did nothing wrong when cheating on their husbands...sorry that is not consistent at all, that is RIDICULOUS and POOR character writing!
No disagreement from me on that. It is OOC and shoddy writing but making excuses for Carrie isn't.

As I said, I know Marlena took issue with Carrie in 1999 over Mike and also took issue with Belle over Philip a few years back too. However, there is a difference between how she treated them and how she's treated Sami when she does something. I mean, just talking about what has happened during this regime, Marlena couldn't even be bothered to go and comfort her daughter after Johnny went missing. John didn't need her. He was just in a room down the hall waiting around. Sami, on the other hand, was distraught over her son and could've used her mother. I get they have issues and Sami didn't exactly ask for her but Marlena could've at least shown up. I know someone will say that the writers are the reason for that but we're not discussing the writing here. We're discussing what actually transpires onscreen in this instance.

I get Sami has done worse in terms of destroying alot of people's lives. I also know she's put Marlena through hell and that she treated her pretty normally prior to 1993 BUT Sami is still her daughter. I don't care what happened. She still should be a bit more reasonable and understanding, especially since they always have Marlena feeling responsible for so much of what Sami has done because she was absent from her life when she was younger and because Sami saw her and John. She always has a very condescending reaction to Sami. She acts guilty about what has happened to Sami and blames herself but never shows any of that sentiment to Sami's face. Never. I think that is a choice the writers make and, in a way, I'm glad they do. I like that they have these dynamics in play because it's interesting. It's realistic. Families can be like that. They have dynamics like Marlena, Carrie, Sami, and Belle have. Children get favored over one another. It happens.

I don't have a horse in the race. I don't prefer any character over the other here so it's nothing like that. I just find that this episode is showing that Sami has a point when it comes to the Carrie/Belle stuff she's brought up in the past. That's all.
Actually, so far Marlena has been reasonable and understanding about what Sami did this time. She made excuses for her, too. She hasn't talked to Sami about it, so she hasn't had a chance to tell her she didn't do anything wrong, but she gave the same kind of excuses to Will and took the blame on herself when she found out.
Yeah but she never shows that to Sami. Never. Everytime she comes in contact with her, that same condescending look is on her face. That's what I mean. It rings a bit false to me when Marlena can do that with others but not to Sami's face, almost like she's only doing it to make herself look better than she is or just to help Will and Sami mend fences. I know that isn't the case but it comes off a little that way, to me anyway.

Regardless, the line in tomorrow's episode is poorly written. No disputing that.
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Feb 6 2012, 03:25 PM
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Feb 6 2012, 02:56 PM
As wrong as Marlena is, it's pretty consistent with how she normally treats Carrie and Belle. That is the one thing I'll always agree with Sami on. She puts those two on a pedestal and always finds some sort of excuse for them but not for Sami. Treat them all equally and, if any of them do something wrong, call them on it rightfully.

This all comes off like it will be written better than today at least.

Completely disagree. That one line is some bad writing, but if anything Marlena is TOO forgiving and enabling of Sami....she constantly makes excuses for her fucked up ways.

Marlena has NEVER favored one child over the other. However, two of her daughters haven't treated her like shit for 20 years, while the other one has.

I would have a hard time treating either of my parents the same way as before if one cheated on the other. I would forgive eventually but it changes things. Not to mention, not even bothering to be there for me if my own child was missing like Marlena wasn't when Johnny first went missing. Yes, she showed up later on but that happened once John was able to come along so there you go.

Sami has done alot of awful things but that doesn't excuse what Marlena has done. It's clear she doesn't treat them equally. Now, she tried alot in the 90's with Sami, sure. However, somewhere along the way, she kind of just settled for their relationship being what it is and now she doesn't even try IMO.
I absolutely agree that Marlena should have been there during that time. However, she was there when Johnny first went missing. Everyone was there.
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Goodness. All these people are tools. Except for the ones who are idiots (Bradison, I'm looking at you and your amazing Segway caper.)

Bope could stand to be a little less dramatic about the marriage. It's not like they've had some long lasting and stable relationship. Just get it annulled and move on.

Nothing more to say about Marlena whitewashing Carrie's behavior that hasn't already been said. There was one time that Marlena approved of her kids getting involved with someone who was already in a relationship. That was when she was possessed by the devil. Austin needs a lesson in boundaries.
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Feb 6 2012, 03:28 PM
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Feb 6 2012, 03:25 PM
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Feb 6 2012, 02:56 PM
As wrong as Marlena is, it's pretty consistent with how she normally treats Carrie and Belle. That is the one thing I'll always agree with Sami on. She puts those two on a pedestal and always finds some sort of excuse for them but not for Sami. Treat them all equally and, if any of them do something wrong, call them on it rightfully.

This all comes off like it will be written better than today at least.

Completely disagree. That one line is some bad writing, but if anything Marlena is TOO forgiving and enabling of Sami....she constantly makes excuses for her fucked up ways.

Marlena has NEVER favored one child over the other. However, two of her daughters haven't treated her like shit for 20 years, while the other one has.

I mostly agree...but Marlena has been much more pleasant towards Sami's cuntiness since she has come back this time around then ever before...I mean Marlena certainly let Sami know how she felt when the lies about Will paternity were exposed by Carrie at Sami/Austin wedding....

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And I remember her sorta laying into Sami after the Vegas reveal that Lucas did not hit Will, a lie Sami kept for years, after Austin left her at the altar.
That slap was actually a reaction to Sami calling her a slut or something.

In Vegas, Austin didn't tell them what happened. At the moment, I can't remember when they found out, but Marlena comforted Sami and held her even after they knew that whatever had happened must have been big.

Actually, my favorite example of Marlena NOT assuming the worst of Sami is when she came back from Melaswen/Tony's castle. EVERYONE had turned against Sami, and they didn't yet know she was Stan. After hearing what happened, Marlena told Will that it didn't sound like Sami and that it's not like Sami not to have an excuse, so she thought she was probably innocent. And she was right.
Yes, I know that slap was not directly because of what Sami just did to Caustin (it was some snarky comment made by Sami about John not being her father even though he is fucking her mother *snarky smirk at marlena*)...but Marlena was already pissed off about what she had done and the dialogue that followed that slap was dripping with disdain for what Sami had done to Caustin and how horrible of a person she had become.
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Feb 6 2012, 03:30 PM
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Feb 6 2012, 03:20 PM
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Feb 6 2012, 02:56 PM
As wrong as Marlena is, it's pretty consistent with how she normally treats Carrie and Belle. That is the one thing I'll always agree with Sami on. She puts those two on a pedestal and always finds some sort of excuse for them but not for Sami. Treat them all equally and, if any of them do something wrong, call them on it rightfully.

This all comes off like it will be written better than today at least.

Completely disagree. That one line is some bad writing, but if anything Marlena is TOO forgiving and enabling of Sami....she constantly makes excuses for her fucked up ways.

Marlena has NEVER favored one child over the other. However, two of her daughters haven't treated her like shit for 20 years, while the other one has.

I would have a hard time treating either of my parents the same way as before if one cheated on the other. I would forgive eventually but it changes things. Not to mention, not even bothering to be there for me if my own child was missing like Marlena wasn't when Johnny first went missing. Yes, she showed up later on but that happened once John was able to come along so there you go.

Sami has done alot of awful things but that doesn't excuse what Marlena has done. It's clear she doesn't treat them equally. Now, she tried alot in the 90's with Sami, sure. However, somewhere along the way, she kind of just settled for their relationship being what it is and now she doesn't even try IMO.
I absolutely agree that Marlena should have been there during that time. However, she was there when Johnny first went missing. Everyone was there.
Well, yeah. Of course. It had just happened and John was there. She was attached to him at the hip for the first 4 months :hmmph: . This is why I'm loving her and John right now because they are away from each other more than they are together. It makes the moments when they are much better and worth something IMO.

Anyway, I'm glad it's presented the way it is. I don't want perfect families. I want them flawed. I like that Marlena has lapses like that. I like that Sami treats her like garbage. I like the dynamics here. It would be boring otherwise. Everyone has their legitimate reasons character-wise, which is what makes it great.
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I can not believe that there is a scene with Bradison driving around town on a segway, complete with music. How fucking stupid!!! :puke:
Lol at the comment about Rafe and his purse! :tounge:
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Feb 6 2012, 03:37 PM
I can not believe that there is a scene with Bradison driving around town on a segway, complete with music. How fucking stupid!!! :puke:
Lol at the comment about Rafe and his purse! :tounge:
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Tell me about it...

DAYS sure knows how to ass fuck the potential of any new couple they have..dont they!
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Carrie's actions are not the only ones being white washed. Even after Marlena learned about what Will saw she still defended her beast of a daughter. If she had called her out and then refused to call Carrie out I'd have a problem with it, but she didn't.
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Feb 6 2012, 03:17 PM
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Feb 6 2012, 03:10 PM
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And that might work (not for me, but for others) if Carrie was single and kissing Sami's husband but the fact is, Carrie betrayed Austin and he's done nothing to deserve that.
Agreed! Austin is the one getting shit on and for what...a useless character like Rafe?

NO THANKS!

I love Austin & Carrie, so I am very upset about this...just as pissed as I was when Carrie did this to him when she fucked Mike... :( at least then Austin was off running around with Sami (which I HATED!!!!!!!!!)...but this time she has no defense...she let her marriage slide and did nothing to fix it and never addressed the problems.

I don't think he's done nothing. I think some of the things he did before Christmas were enough to drive a wedge. From the stupid contrived things with Sami, to being on the opposite side of his wife's "father's" trial. It doesn't mean he deserves it, but I don't think he's just innocent. The stuff with Austin/Sami right after the reset seems to have been buried.
But nothing happen between Austin & Sami. Yes, he fell onto the couch with her but he didn't kiss her nor did he want to. Austin has been faithful to Carrie. He and Carrie did not see eye to eye about John but at least Austin tried to work things out with her. There is really no defense for Carrie here. Wrong is wrong.
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Madison looking terrified as if someone is going to kill her. Welcome Ian!
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BTW, How old is Madison and Brady?
Edited by Aldo, Feb 6 2012, 06:10 PM.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

Wow, so are we to believe that Ian is actually dangerous enough that she suspecting it might be him right, went to the door with vase in hand ready to hit him over the head with it? Hmmm..this might get pretty interesting.
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J&M and Family Fanatic!

I love Sarah Brown, and I hope the arrival of IB makes this story more interesting.
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Feb 6 2012, 02:59 PM
In 99, Marlena told Carrie she most certainly did do something wrong (with Mike). Sounds like pretty bad writing here. Thanks Skye!
Exactly, and Bell did nothing wrong when she went after Shawn while married to Phillip. I bet she will call Sami out on sleeping with EJ and say that what she did was wrong. Marlena does show favortisim to Carrie and Bell. Yes, Sami has done a lot of bad things to Marlena and Carrie, but no matter what she does she gets exposed for her crap and everyone turns on her. She gets exposed in fron of everyone instead of a small group. Now that's more than other people in town when they do something wrong. Never mind that Carrie is a serial cheater, and this is the begining of her MO. The woman will find any excuse to cheat, and she has been able to blame it on Sami in the past, but the past two times she chose to cheat.


No one held a gun to her head to sleep with Lucas and Marry him but she did. She didn't do it to protect Austin she did it because she wanted to have healthy children. Carrie could have gone to a sperm bank and stayed with Austin, but no. No matter what Carrie says she did this to stick it to Sami, and she was selfish. She could have told Austin the truth and let them decide but she didn't. Now she is trying to stick it to Sami again, because she wants to find an excuse to cheat on Austin. Now I'm sorry, but the man quit his job during Johns trial because you were upset. Then she can't stop talking about how wrong Rafe and Sami are together while she is in bed naked with her husband. Austin has been nothing but supportive to Carrie and that isn't enough she needs someone to priase her morning noon and night. I know that once Ausitn hooks up with someone Carrie's interest with Rafe will go out of the window and she will be after Austin again.

Notice that Carrie didn't tell Marlena she has developed feelings for Rafe. Carrie has treated Austin like crap, and she has cheated on him in the past and he forgave her. She is wrong for doint this to Austin, and I hope tha tthe writer's will make her have to chase after Austin this time. I want Austin to date someone who is a real threat to Carrie, and make it someone from his past. This could be someone that he knew before he came to Salem who knows but this person needs to strike fear in Carrie to make her think she can loose Austin for good.
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Carrie didn't sleep with Rafe. They kissed. Hardly cheating.
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I agree with you carrie didnt cheat behind austin.rafe and carrie just share a kiss that is all and it is like the slept together.what sami did was far worst she had sex with ej.
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Hardly could sit to watch the epi... boring for the most part. Didn't enjoy any particular scene set.

Pissed at Marlena for not raking Carrie over the coals. Carrie is the new Salem 'bitch' taking over from Jennifer. Shallow & fickle... admitting to being attracted to Rafe for so long. I just wanted to smack her and gag at the same time.

Can't stand to feel sorry for Rafe, and I hate that TPTB are doing this.

Sami... WTF is wrong with her. Guilt ridden, just doesn't suit her.

Abby - Austin... I'm completely speechless. :shame:

Madison stuff is so-so interesting....she seemed scared for the 1st time...and someone is watching her and Brady

Hate Jope's marriage thing. Snoozeville! The new SL better pick up and fast. TPTB waste far too much time with doing nothing and there is so little drama to get excited about.

Worse epi for me in quite a while.
Edited by Dreamer, Feb 6 2012, 07:16 PM.
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MAJOR CRINGE-WARNING:

The Bradison segway scenes will make you embarassed to be a viewer of DAYS! I physically cringed from start to finish...I felt like an idiot for watching that...and I watched the show alone in private.
Edited by Mitchapalooza, Feb 6 2012, 07:28 PM.
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PM/Austin-- acting at its worse---can't play a drunk worth shit.
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Feb 6 2012, 07:22 PM
PM/Austin-- acting at its worse---can't play a drunk worth shit.

LOL! I agree. I thought the Brady character was awful at playing drunk. But he's amazing compared to him.
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