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Tuesday, February 7th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 6 2012, 02:42 PM (13,372 Views)
michelle
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Tabbie
Feb 6 2012, 11:01 PM
Carrie, Rafe, and Sami are all wrong in this. Cafe's cheating is more damaging to Safe's relationship no doubt, but it still doesn't change that Sami is also very very wrong. The only one I feel bad for in this situation is Austin.
Of course.

My response was kinda sarcastic, hellooooo? The grief sex, the tongue kiss, all CHEATING, all BAD.

All of these people are cheaters, including Austin, for what he's about to do with Abby, though he is still the MOST innocent in this whole sordid affair.
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Kenny
Feb 6 2012, 11:00 PM
Skye
Feb 6 2012, 02:42 PM
Hope says stefano used her for so many sick things back then
Bo says yes and mostly to get marlena away from john ,, which did not work , they got married end of story
What the hell kind of revisionist history is this?! Stefano didn't turn Hope into Gina so she could steal John from Marlena. He turned her into Gina so she could steal art for him! The last thing Stefano wanted was for John and Gina to get together -- because he wanted Gina to himself. In fact, he was so bothered by John and Gina's romp on the submarine that he tossed John into the ocean and left him to die.

This promo illustrates it perfectly:
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Gina to John: "We're finally together."

"But what about the man she betrayed?"

Stefano: "I loved her."

Cut to John and Gina sipping champagne, post-coitus.

Gina to John: "What if Stefano finds us?"

"Brace yourselves! Gina's perfect plan is about to come to a dead end."

Stefano: "You are never going to see John again."

Gina: "No!"

Cut to a shot of Stefano's goons throwing John overboard, leaving him to die.
It's true that Stefano wanted Marlena to himself and he would've done anything to make that happen, but his creation of Gina had nothing to do with his obsession with Marlena. He turned Hope into Gina so she could steal art for him -- not so she could split up J&M and boink John.
These are not spoilers. These are her opinions. What she *thinks* will happen.
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Feeling bad for Sami, Carrie, Rafe and/or Austin would mean that the writers actually showed me anything deeper in the writing than a shallow puddle in the LA rain or the actors conveyed more than having a bad hair day.

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Kenny
Feb 6 2012, 11:00 PM
Skye
Feb 6 2012, 02:42 PM
Hope says stefano used her for so many sick things back then
Bo says yes and mostly to get marlena away from john ,, which did not work , they got married end of story
What the hell kind of revisionist history is this?! Stefano didn't turn Hope into Gina so she could steal John from Marlena. He turned her into Gina so she could steal art for him! The last thing Stefano wanted was for John and Gina to get together -- because he wanted Gina to himself. In fact, he was so bothered by John and Gina's romp on the submarine that he tossed John into the ocean and left him to die.

This promo illustrates it perfectly:
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Gina to John: "We're finally together."

"But what about the man she betrayed?"

Stefano: "I loved her."

Cut to John and Gina sipping champagne, post-coitus.

Gina to John: "What if Stefano finds us?"

"Brace yourselves! Gina's perfect plan is about to come to a dead end."

Stefano: "You are never going to see John again."

Gina: "No!"

Cut to a shot of Stefano's goons throwing John overboard, leaving him to die.
It's true that Stefano wanted Marlena to himself and he would've done anything to make that happen, but his creation of Gina had nothing to do with his obsession with Marlena. He turned Hope into Gina so she could steal art for him -- not so she could split up J&M and boink John.
But clearly, we are supposed to forget about history.

The writers sure have.

And that is why this show will get cancelled, eventually. Cause it's turned into a big pile of crap.
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michelle
Feb 6 2012, 11:07 PM
Tabbie
Feb 6 2012, 11:01 PM
Carrie, Rafe, and Sami are all wrong in this. Cafe's cheating is more damaging to Safe's relationship no doubt, but it still doesn't change that Sami is also very very wrong. The only one I feel bad for in this situation is Austin.
Of course.

My response was kinda sarcastic, hellooooo? The grief sex, the tongue kiss, all CHEATING, all BAD.

All of these people are cheaters, including Austin, for what he's about to do with Abby, though he is still the MOST innocent in this whole sordid affair.
ITA. Though I'll admit I'm biased to all those who cause the scrunchy any grief in case it isn't already obvious. Lol :P
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AFaithL
Feb 6 2012, 11:07 PM
Kenny
Feb 6 2012, 11:00 PM
Skye
Feb 6 2012, 02:42 PM
Hope says stefano used her for so many sick things back then
Bo says yes and mostly to get marlena away from john ,, which did not work , they got married end of story
What the hell kind of revisionist history is this?! Stefano didn't turn Hope into Gina so she could steal John from Marlena. He turned her into Gina so she could steal art for him! The last thing Stefano wanted was for John and Gina to get together -- because he wanted Gina to himself. In fact, he was so bothered by John and Gina's romp on the submarine that he tossed John into the ocean and left him to die.

This promo illustrates it perfectly:
Quote:
 


Gina to John: "We're finally together."

"But what about the man she betrayed?"

Stefano: "I loved her."

Cut to John and Gina sipping champagne, post-coitus.

Gina to John: "What if Stefano finds us?"

"Brace yourselves! Gina's perfect plan is about to come to a dead end."

Stefano: "You are never going to see John again."

Gina: "No!"

Cut to a shot of Stefano's goons throwing John overboard, leaving him to die.
It's true that Stefano wanted Marlena to himself and he would've done anything to make that happen, but his creation of Gina had nothing to do with his obsession with Marlena. He turned Hope into Gina so she could steal art for him -- not so she could split up J&M and boink John.
These are not spoilers. These are her opinions. What she *thinks* will happen.
What are you talking about?
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lysie
Feb 6 2012, 11:15 PM
AFaithL
Feb 6 2012, 11:07 PM
Kenny
Feb 6 2012, 11:00 PM
Skye
Feb 6 2012, 02:42 PM
Hope says stefano used her for so many sick things back then
Bo says yes and mostly to get marlena away from john ,, which did not work , they got married end of story
What the hell kind of revisionist history is this?! Stefano didn't turn Hope into Gina so she could steal John from Marlena. He turned her into Gina so she could steal art for him! The last thing Stefano wanted was for John and Gina to get together -- because he wanted Gina to himself. In fact, he was so bothered by John and Gina's romp on the submarine that he tossed John into the ocean and left him to die.

This promo illustrates it perfectly:
Quote:
 


Gina to John: "We're finally together."

"But what about the man she betrayed?"

Stefano: "I loved her."

Cut to John and Gina sipping champagne, post-coitus.

Gina to John: "What if Stefano finds us?"

"Brace yourselves! Gina's perfect plan is about to come to a dead end."

Stefano: "You are never going to see John again."

Gina: "No!"

Cut to a shot of Stefano's goons throwing John overboard, leaving him to die.
It's true that Stefano wanted Marlena to himself and he would've done anything to make that happen, but his creation of Gina had nothing to do with his obsession with Marlena. He turned Hope into Gina so she could steal art for him -- not so she could split up J&M and boink John.
These are not spoilers. These are her opinions. What she *thinks* will happen.
What are you talking about?
The poster above Kenny posted a bunch of opinion/speculation as if they were legitimate spoilers.
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lysie


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Feb 6 2012, 11:19 PM
lysie
Feb 6 2012, 11:15 PM
AFaithL
Feb 6 2012, 11:07 PM
Kenny
Feb 6 2012, 11:00 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deeplast

Gina to John: "We're finally together."

"But what about the man she betrayed?"

Stefano: "I loved her."

Cut to John and Gina sipping champagne, post-coitus.

Gina to John: "What if Stefano finds us?"

"Brace yourselves! Gina's perfect plan is about to come to a dead end."

Stefano: "You are never going to see John again."

Gina: "No!"

Cut to a shot of Stefano's goons throwing John overboard, leaving him to die.
These are not spoilers. These are her opinions. What she *thinks* will happen.
What are you talking about?
The poster above Kenny posted a bunch of opinion/speculation as if they were legitimate spoilers.
LOL Okay. That wasn't quoted so I thought you meant the actual day ahead (what was quoted).
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Meanwhile, I don't like that Bo and Hope open the envelope at the beginning of the episode and by the middle of the episode John knows what's inside it as well. The writers are rushing through the beats. Bo and Hope should've been given at least a full episode to absorb the shock of what they just read before rushing off to John's place. Let them stew on it a minute -- give it a minute to marinade, allow the levity of the situation to sink in -- then let them head across town to deliver the news to J&M. It would've been a great way to end tomorrow's episode rather than having John learn the truth at the halfway point in such an anticlimactic way. The way it was written has an incredible lack of suspense. Do the writers know nothing at all about the art of the tease?
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Ellie


Kenny I think you should write a letter to SOD with this information. Maybe they'll even throw in a 99 pic if they print it!
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Kenny
Feb 6 2012, 11:20 PM
Meanwhile, I don't like that Bo and Hope open the envelope at the beginning of the episode and by the middle of the episode John knows what's inside it as well. The writers are rushing through the beats. Bo and Hope should've been given at least a full episode to absorb the shock of what they just read before rushing off to John's place. Let them stew on it a minute -- give it a minute to marinade -- then let them head across town to deliver the news to J&M. It would've been a great way to end tomorrow's episode rather than having John learn the truth at the halfway point in such an anticlimactic way. The way it was written has an incredible lack of suspense. Do the writers know nothing at all about the art of the tease?
Well, the answer to your last question is "yes they know nothing at all about it", but aren't they doing it this way so that Marlena can bear the full brunt of everyone except her knowing it? If Deidre delivers in her performance, it might be worth it. I watched most of Tuesday's show, and I really didn't like how Kristian reacted at all... it was such an unnatural falling into the chair thing.
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Ellie
Feb 6 2012, 11:27 PM
Kenny
Feb 6 2012, 11:20 PM
Meanwhile, I don't like that Bo and Hope open the envelope at the beginning of the episode and by the middle of the episode John knows what's inside it as well. The writers are rushing through the beats. Bo and Hope should've been given at least a full episode to absorb the shock of what they just read before rushing off to John's place. Let them stew on it a minute -- give it a minute to marinade -- then let them head across town to deliver the news to J&M. It would've been a great way to end tomorrow's episode rather than having John learn the truth at the halfway point in such an anticlimactic way. The way it was written has an incredible lack of suspense. Do the writers know nothing at all about the art of the tease?
Well, the answer to your last question is "yes they know nothing at all about it", but aren't they doing it this way so that Marlena can bear the full brunt of everyone except her knowing it?
Maybe, but even so, John could've found out at the beginning of Wednesday's episode (after a teaser ending with Bope arriving at his front door on Tuesday) rather than halfway through tomorrow's episode. That's just anticlimactic and way too rushed, IMO.
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Kenny
Feb 6 2012, 11:34 PM
Ellie
Feb 6 2012, 11:27 PM
Kenny
Feb 6 2012, 11:20 PM
Meanwhile, I don't like that Bo and Hope open the envelope at the beginning of the episode and by the middle of the episode John knows what's inside it as well. The writers are rushing through the beats. Bo and Hope should've been given at least a full episode to absorb the shock of what they just read before rushing off to John's place. Let them stew on it a minute -- give it a minute to marinade -- then let them head across town to deliver the news to J&M. It would've been a great way to end tomorrow's episode rather than having John learn the truth at the halfway point in such an anticlimactic way. The way it was written has an incredible lack of suspense. Do the writers know nothing at all about the art of the tease?
Well, the answer to your last question is "yes they know nothing at all about it", but aren't they doing it this way so that Marlena can bear the full brunt of everyone except her knowing it?
Maybe, but even so, John could've found out at the beginning of Wednesday's episode (after a teaser ending with Bope arriving at his front door on Tuesday) rather than halfway through tomorrow's episode.
Yep, very true. The pacing is very erratic overall. The Will story (which I'm enjoying) has stretched since September and seems planned out, but stories like this are over in weeks.
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Ellie
Feb 6 2012, 11:27 PM
Kenny
Feb 6 2012, 11:20 PM
Meanwhile, I don't like that Bo and Hope open the envelope at the beginning of the episode and by the middle of the episode John knows what's inside it as well. The writers are rushing through the beats. Bo and Hope should've been given at least a full episode to absorb the shock of what they just read before rushing off to John's place. Let them stew on it a minute -- give it a minute to marinade -- then let them head across town to deliver the news to J&M. It would've been a great way to end tomorrow's episode rather than having John learn the truth at the halfway point in such an anticlimactic way. The way it was written has an incredible lack of suspense. Do the writers know nothing at all about the art of the tease?
Well, the answer to your last question is "yes they know nothing at all about it", but aren't they doing it this way so that Marlena can bear the full brunt of everyone except her knowing it? If Deidre delivers in her performance, it might be worth it. I watched most of Tuesday's show, and I really didn't like how Kristian reacted at all... it was such an unnatural falling into the chair thing.
I didn't like how Kristian did the reaction to it either.
I got the feeling that she wasn't happy about what the secret was or that she likes the sl. I don't blame her. The sl is terrible.
Peter was great though. I feel the writers haven't done enough to fix Bope since the whole Carly debacle happened. The writers seem to not be writing them in character enough.
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I agree Kenny, I thought they really rushed through Bo and Hope's reaction to such a huge shock. It would have been much better to have Bo and Hope absorb it, show their shock, disbelief, outrage, etc and play the emotion of the situation out fully. Lord knows, they dragged the opening of the box and envelope out long enough, why rush through their reactions? I fear it doesn't bode well for this story, if they're rushing through key emotional moments already.

I too think it would have been better for them to end the episode with Bo and Hope arriving at John and Marlena's and have John's reaction as sort of a cliffhanger, rather than have it happen hurriedly halfway through the episode. VERY disappointing.

Like Bo, I thought Hope was too willing to accept that the marriage certificate was legit. She didn't seem to question it much at all and neither did John. As Bo so rightly pointed out, Hope was brainwashed, therefore wasn't in her right mind, so there would have to be some question over the legality of the marriage certificate for that reason alone, regardless of where the marriage took place.

Also, I'm a little curious as to how come the marriage certificate is in Hope's name, seeing as at the time the marriage was supposedly conducted, Hope was brainwashed to believe she was truly was Princess Gina and that "Hope Williams" was all an act. Why wasn't the marriage certificate in Gina's name, seeing as she was the one who was in love with John and she "despised" the character/personality of Hope Williams Brady and her life?

Sorry, but if I'm expected to suspend belief and jump the shark, I'd like all the dots to be joined thanks. Won't hold my breath though.
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Just imagine how long they will give J&M to absorb this. Bo and Hope got half an episode and according to some (and I don't necessarily disagree) it was too short. J&M will get two seconds and the effect this has on them will be completely overlooked.
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Some Thoughts:
Marlena-Wtf? I know this is an unpopular opinion but she said what I expected she would when Pwecious Carrie is involved. Who cares about Ejami sex it is a separate issue altogether for me....
Right behind Carrie (besides Melanie) as Worst Character on DOOL is RAFE. I used to be a fan, but he disgusts me now! Just as my last straw with EJ was the Taylor fiasco, of all things. But at least with Junior, we knew he was an ass. Rafe you are worse you were a good guy he did not know about Couchgate at the Dimeras and STILL did this kiss thing.
oh well you were never a good substitute for Lucas!!
BOPE :sleep: Sorry bope fans, like them as individuals though. Maybe she fainted in the chair because she is pregnant with an eggbaby from John! What a weird dichotomous name-Hope Black! :puke:
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Jake & Marley ~ Jarley <333

Kenny
Feb 6 2012, 11:20 PM
Meanwhile, I don't like that Bo and Hope open the envelope at the beginning of the episode and by the middle of the episode John knows what's inside it as well. The writers are rushing through the beats. Bo and Hope should've been given at least a full episode to absorb the shock of what they just read before rushing off to John's place. Let them stew on it a minute -- give it a minute to marinade -- then let them head across town to deliver the news to J&M. It would've been a great way to end tomorrow's episode rather than having John learn the truth at the halfway point in such an anticlimactic way. The way it was written has an incredible lack of suspense. Do the writers know nothing at all about the art of the tease?
I actually didn't have a problem with that at all. I thought they had enough time alone to deal with it and process it, and it made total sense to me that they would want to rush over to John's to tell him the news since he is directly involved. I mean, do we really need another entire episode of Bo and Hope processing information that they learn? I have been waiting for weeks for others to get involved in this story...I don't need them to drag it out any longer. And I don't think they're rushing through the beats at all. The next three episodes all it's going to be is Bo/Hope/John/Marlena dealing with this news. That's definitely not rushing it IMO.

I am enjoying this story so far even though it's just started. I am so looking forward to seeing these scenes for myself tonight. Can't wait to see John's reaction and then Marlena's the next day.
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Jake & Marley ~ Jarley <333

AlisonLou
Feb 7 2012, 02:45 AM
Ellie
Feb 6 2012, 11:27 PM
Kenny
Feb 6 2012, 11:20 PM
Meanwhile, I don't like that Bo and Hope open the envelope at the beginning of the episode and by the middle of the episode John knows what's inside it as well. The writers are rushing through the beats. Bo and Hope should've been given at least a full episode to absorb the shock of what they just read before rushing off to John's place. Let them stew on it a minute -- give it a minute to marinade -- then let them head across town to deliver the news to J&M. It would've been a great way to end tomorrow's episode rather than having John learn the truth at the halfway point in such an anticlimactic way. The way it was written has an incredible lack of suspense. Do the writers know nothing at all about the art of the tease?
Well, the answer to your last question is "yes they know nothing at all about it", but aren't they doing it this way so that Marlena can bear the full brunt of everyone except her knowing it? If Deidre delivers in her performance, it might be worth it. I watched most of Tuesday's show, and I really didn't like how Kristian reacted at all... it was such an unnatural falling into the chair thing.
I didn't like how Kristian did the reaction to it either.
I got the feeling that she wasn't happy about what the secret was or that she likes the sl. I don't blame her. The sl is terrible.
Peter was great though. I feel the writers haven't done enough to fix Bope since the whole Carly debacle happened. The writers seem to not be writing them in character enough.
How can you tell that Kristian isn't enjoying this story, especially based on one little reaction? :blink: Has she ever said that? Everything I've read was her saying how much "fun" she's having...don't think that translates into her not enjoying it. Plus, she loved the Princess Gina storyline in the past so why wouldn't she like it this time? As an actor, I think it would be a hell of a lot better doing something like that than sitting around reading notes and going through bank statements. :blink: How boring! I'm sure she's excited to finally have something to do now. And I've heard it more than once that there is nothing more boring than just sitting around being happy all the time...actors want drama in their stories and if this Princess Gina storyline gives Kristian that, I highly doubt she's unhappy about the story.
Edited by MidnightRain, Feb 7 2012, 08:53 AM.
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The Hope/John marriage thing is STUPID STUPID STUPID. I fail to see why this is such a huge, devastating thing? WHO CARES if they are married to each other? Is the certificate in Hope's name or Gina's? And if they were married in another country, is that even acknowledged here? Big deal if they have a piece of paper that says they are married.... burn it and let things be as they always have been. Problem solved. SOOOOOO disappointed with that revelation.

Have a feeling I'll be disappointed with Steffy's little secret too.

If they were going to have Rafe cheat with ANYONE (and yes, I consider the kiss cheating because of the length, the total lack of self control on both parties, and the way they've been wanting each other for weeks now), I'd prefer it be with Nicole. I saw so much potential there when Rafe was a "newbie" and they had scenes together. I think Sami is overreacting about the kiss (more so than she normally would) because mostly it's a "leave him before he leaves me" thing. She has had so much in her life disappear and spiral out of control this past week (granted, most was self imposed as usual).... perhaps she wanted to take control of something somewhere.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens when Kate finds out Sami was partaking in corporate espionage before becoming a team player. And, naturally, the way everyone reacts to finding out Ej and Sami yet again put themselves and their own needs ahead of everything and everyone else. And if Nicole goes crawling back to that selfish SOB, she deserves every heartache he deals her. She needs to smarten up and leave his sorry, selfish, self serving behind and find someone who'll appreciate, RESPECT, and treat her like she's someone who's worthy of love and honesty. Not just honesty when it serves HIS needs. EJ deserves to be alone, or better yet: with a woman who'll screw him over as many times and as heartlessly as he has others. THAT would make me jump for joy.

LOVING the Will s/l!! Chandler is AMAZING and lately he's the only actor that's been making any impact on me emotionally. Can't wait to see how his s/l unfolds either. :) :cheer:
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