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Tuesday, February 7th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 6 2012, 02:42 PM (13,371 Views)
SocRMum1
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

Tabbie
Feb 6 2012, 08:46 PM
Well considering Marlena already knows what Sami did was much more worse, I don't see the need for her to bring up Sami's feelings.

And until she calls Sami out for being the hypocritical beast she is I'm not interested in her telling Carrie off.
It's not really a matter of Marlena telling Carrie off. Carrie called her and shared what happened - so it stands to reason Marlena should have something to say about it. And to say she did nothing wrong or that she didn't mean to hurt anyone just doesn't cut it.

I agree that Marlena should have long ago had a conversation with Sami about the EJami romp. Primarily because Marlena knew what it was doing to Will (and his relationship with Sami among other things) and that Sami was not clued in to why Will was hurting so much. I wouldn't expect her to condone what Sami did anymore than I expected her to do so with Carrie - but since she's opted not to confront Sami with what she knows you can't really compare the two things. Marlena has had the option all along to have it out with Sami or support her, whatever she chooses. But what happened with Sami and EJ doesn't change the fact that Carrie crossed a line with Rafe and together they've both betrayed their spouses/sibling/inlaw.
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OMG with a mother like Marlena Sami is better off not having her in her life the past few years, a mothers love is supposed to be unconditional not stabbing your daughter in the back, telling Carrie who is not related to Marlena that kissing Sami husband is alright. Carrie is messing with Sami head and now Marlena is! This show has turned into a pathetic cesspool of S/L, none of which are believable, no connection to anything, just words with no meanings! They have the guts to call this entertainment! :eyeroll:
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lovinsafe
Feb 7 2012, 10:39 AM
OMG with a mother like Marlena Sami is better off not having her in her life the past few years, a mothers love is supposed to be unconditional not stabbing your daughter in the back, telling Carrie who is not related to Marlena that kissing Sami husband is alright. Carrie is messing with Sami head and now Marlena is! This show has turned into a pathetic cesspool of S/L, none of which are believable, no connection to anything, just words with no meanings! They have the guts to call this entertainment! :eyeroll:
This makes me irrationally angry.
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lovinsafe
Feb 7 2012, 10:39 AM
OMG with a mother like Marlena Sami is better off not having her in her life the past few years, a mothers love is supposed to be unconditional not stabbing your daughter in the back, telling Carrie who is not related to Marlena that kissing Sami husband is alright. Carrie is messing with Sami head and now Marlena is! This show has turned into a pathetic cesspool of S/L, none of which are believable, no connection to anything, just words with no meanings! They have the guts to call this entertainment! :eyeroll:
Exactly. Carrie's the daughter of Marlena's ex husband and Anna and that's it. I don't care if Marlena helped raise her, she isn't a blood relative. No matter what Sami has done, Marlena is her mother, and a mother gives uncondtional love to her CHILDREN, not her ex hubby's kid. I don't get the writer's point with this whole thing. Are they trying to fool the audience into thinking that Carrie is still the "good child" after she cheated with her sister's husband? Are they trying to set up a total Marlena/Sami break or a total Sami/Carrie break? The writers totally missed the boat on this one, IMO. Mardar you suck!
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magicsteacher
Feb 7 2012, 11:20 AM
lovinsafe
Feb 7 2012, 10:39 AM
OMG with a mother like Marlena Sami is better off not having her in her life the past few years, a mothers love is supposed to be unconditional not stabbing your daughter in the back, telling Carrie who is not related to Marlena that kissing Sami husband is alright. Carrie is messing with Sami head and now Marlena is! This show has turned into a pathetic cesspool of S/L, none of which are believable, no connection to anything, just words with no meanings! They have the guts to call this entertainment! :eyeroll:
Exactly. Carrie's the daughter of Marlena's ex husband and Anna and that's it. I don't care if Marlena helped raise her, she isn't a blood relative. No matter what Sami has done, Marlena is her mother, and a mother gives uncondtional love to her CHILDREN, not her ex hubby's kid. I don't get the writer's point with this whole thing. Are they trying to fool the audience into thinking that Carrie is still the "good child" after she cheated with her sister's husband? Are they trying to set up a total Marlena/Sami break or a total Sami/Carrie break? The writers totally missed the boat on this one, IMO. Mardar you suck!
Seriously? Wtf? Being a blood relative has nothing to do with love or parenting.
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lysie
Feb 7 2012, 11:24 AM
magicsteacher
Feb 7 2012, 11:20 AM
lovinsafe
Feb 7 2012, 10:39 AM
OMG with a mother like Marlena Sami is better off not having her in her life the past few years, a mothers love is supposed to be unconditional not stabbing your daughter in the back, telling Carrie who is not related to Marlena that kissing Sami husband is alright. Carrie is messing with Sami head and now Marlena is! This show has turned into a pathetic cesspool of S/L, none of which are believable, no connection to anything, just words with no meanings! They have the guts to call this entertainment! :eyeroll:
Exactly. Carrie's the daughter of Marlena's ex husband and Anna and that's it. I don't care if Marlena helped raise her, she isn't a blood relative. No matter what Sami has done, Marlena is her mother, and a mother gives uncondtional love to her CHILDREN, not her ex hubby's kid. I don't get the writer's point with this whole thing. Are they trying to fool the audience into thinking that Carrie is still the "good child" after she cheated with her sister's husband? Are they trying to set up a total Marlena/Sami break or a total Sami/Carrie break? The writers totally missed the boat on this one, IMO. Mardar you suck!
Seriously? Wtf? Being a blood relative has nothing to do with love or parenting.
No, it doesn't, and I'm not saying that Marlena shouldn't love Carrie and vice versa and guide her if she needs it, but for her to continously choose Carrie, who isn't her daughter, over Sami who is, to me is ridiculous. For her to tell Carrie that she did nothing wrong in kissing her daughter's husband is ridiculous. Are we supposed to think that Marlena doesn't love or care what happens to Sami's marriage with Rafe because of this? I know she knows Sami had sex with EJ, but Carrie doesn't know that, and what she's hearing is that Marlena is condoning what she did by saying she did nothing wrong. If Sami had done it, would she have told Sami that? I sincerely doubt it.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

magicsteacher
Feb 7 2012, 11:32 AM
lysie
Feb 7 2012, 11:24 AM
magicsteacher
Feb 7 2012, 11:20 AM
lovinsafe
Feb 7 2012, 10:39 AM
OMG with a mother like Marlena Sami is better off not having her in her life the past few years, a mothers love is supposed to be unconditional not stabbing your daughter in the back, telling Carrie who is not related to Marlena that kissing Sami husband is alright. Carrie is messing with Sami head and now Marlena is! This show has turned into a pathetic cesspool of S/L, none of which are believable, no connection to anything, just words with no meanings! They have the guts to call this entertainment! :eyeroll:
Exactly. Carrie's the daughter of Marlena's ex husband and Anna and that's it. I don't care if Marlena helped raise her, she isn't a blood relative. No matter what Sami has done, Marlena is her mother, and a mother gives uncondtional love to her CHILDREN, not her ex hubby's kid. I don't get the writer's point with this whole thing. Are they trying to fool the audience into thinking that Carrie is still the "good child" after she cheated with her sister's husband? Are they trying to set up a total Marlena/Sami break or a total Sami/Carrie break? The writers totally missed the boat on this one, IMO. Mardar you suck!
Seriously? Wtf? Being a blood relative has nothing to do with love or parenting.
No, it doesn't, and I'm not saying that Marlena shouldn't love Carrie and vice versa and guide her if she needs it, but for her to continously choose Carrie, who isn't her daughter, over Sami who is, to me is ridiculous. For her to tell Carrie that she did nothing wrong in kissing her daughter's husband is ridiculous. Are we supposed to think that Marlena doesn't love or care what happens to Sami's marriage with Rafe because of this? I know she knows Sami had sex with EJ, but Carrie doesn't know that, and what she's hearing is that Marlena is condoning what she did by saying she did nothing wrong. If Sami had done it, would she have told Sami that? I sincerely doubt it.
I agree that it's ridiculous for Marlena to seemingly side with Carrie in this - but I'd think it was just as ridiculous if Belle (her biological daughter) was swapping spit with Sami's husband as it is with Carrie.
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Rafe and Jack need to become friends, they will never be accepted into the Horton/Brady inner circles.
Caustin having sex to repair their broken marriage?? I won't watch it. I so wanted CAFE in bed together, moving these characters in to their own SL. Caustin is so over... why do they need to torture us with this crap. Sex solves nothing and we know Carrie is so over her marriage, which is just going to lead to more CAFE angst and lots of learing and longing, that I am so not interested in watching.
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magicsteacher
Feb 7 2012, 11:32 AM
lysie
Feb 7 2012, 11:24 AM
magicsteacher
Feb 7 2012, 11:20 AM
lovinsafe
Feb 7 2012, 10:39 AM
OMG with a mother like Marlena Sami is better off not having her in her life the past few years, a mothers love is supposed to be unconditional not stabbing your daughter in the back, telling Carrie who is not related to Marlena that kissing Sami husband is alright. Carrie is messing with Sami head and now Marlena is! This show has turned into a pathetic cesspool of S/L, none of which are believable, no connection to anything, just words with no meanings! They have the guts to call this entertainment! :eyeroll:
Exactly. Carrie's the daughter of Marlena's ex husband and Anna and that's it. I don't care if Marlena helped raise her, she isn't a blood relative. No matter what Sami has done, Marlena is her mother, and a mother gives uncondtional love to her CHILDREN, not her ex hubby's kid. I don't get the writer's point with this whole thing. Are they trying to fool the audience into thinking that Carrie is still the "good child" after she cheated with her sister's husband? Are they trying to set up a total Marlena/Sami break or a total Sami/Carrie break? The writers totally missed the boat on this one, IMO. Mardar you suck!
Seriously? Wtf? Being a blood relative has nothing to do with love or parenting.
No, it doesn't, and I'm not saying that Marlena shouldn't love Carrie and vice versa and guide her if she needs it, but for her to continously choose Carrie, who isn't her daughter, over Sami who is, to me is ridiculous. For her to tell Carrie that she did nothing wrong in kissing her daughter's husband is ridiculous. Are we supposed to think that Marlena doesn't love or care what happens to Sami's marriage with Rafe because of this? I know she knows Sami had sex with EJ, but Carrie doesn't know that, and what she's hearing is that Marlena is condoning what she did by saying she did nothing wrong. If Sami had done it, would she have told Sami that? I sincerely doubt it.
I don't agree with how Marlena is handling this either (thiughbincould change my mind once I actually see it) but it has nothing to do with which daughter shares her DNA. Idk if Marlena would condone it if Sami did it, but right now she seems to be making identical excuses for both girls. Regardless, I find the notion that Carrie isn't Marlena's daughter simply because she isn't married to Roman to be...honestly I don't have a strong enough adjective for it.
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Feb 7 2012, 08:37 AM
Kenny
Feb 6 2012, 11:20 PM
Meanwhile, I don't like that Bo and Hope open the envelope at the beginning of the episode and by the middle of the episode John knows what's inside it as well. The writers are rushing through the beats. Bo and Hope should've been given at least a full episode to absorb the shock of what they just read before rushing off to John's place. Let them stew on it a minute -- give it a minute to marinade -- then let them head across town to deliver the news to J&M. It would've been a great way to end tomorrow's episode rather than having John learn the truth at the halfway point in such an anticlimactic way. The way it was written has an incredible lack of suspense. Do the writers know nothing at all about the art of the tease?
I actually didn't have a problem with that at all. I thought they had enough time alone to deal with it and process it, and it made total sense to me that they would want to rush over to John's to tell him the news since he is directly involved. I have been waiting for weeks for others to get involved in this story...I don't need them to drag it out any longer.
Just because the story has inched along at a snails pace 'til now doesn't mean everything needs to be rushed from this point forward.

I understand the logic of wanting to tell John as soon as possible, but it's not just Bo and Hope who need a little time to allow the levity of the situation to sink in -- the viewers need that as well. This twist is a big curveball for people who don't read spoilers and they need a minute to absorb the shock before rushing along to the next plot point. They need a minute to stew and figure out for themselves how this is possible. Plus, it just isn't dramatic to have John find out in the middle of the episode like this. Where's the suspense? It would've played much better if Bo and Hope showed up at John's door at the end of today's episode and then dropped the bomb on him tomorrow. Then again, I haven't seen the episode yet so it might play out better than it sounds, but based on the day-ahead writeup, it sounds very rushed.
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magicsteacher
Feb 7 2012, 11:32 AM
lysie
Feb 7 2012, 11:24 AM
magicsteacher
Feb 7 2012, 11:20 AM
lovinsafe
Feb 7 2012, 10:39 AM
OMG with a mother like Marlena Sami is better off not having her in her life the past few years, a mothers love is supposed to be unconditional not stabbing your daughter in the back, telling Carrie who is not related to Marlena that kissing Sami husband is alright. Carrie is messing with Sami head and now Marlena is! This show has turned into a pathetic cesspool of S/L, none of which are believable, no connection to anything, just words with no meanings! They have the guts to call this entertainment! :eyeroll:
Exactly. Carrie's the daughter of Marlena's ex husband and Anna and that's it. I don't care if Marlena helped raise her, she isn't a blood relative. No matter what Sami has done, Marlena is her mother, and a mother gives uncondtional love to her CHILDREN, not her ex hubby's kid. I don't get the writer's point with this whole thing. Are they trying to fool the audience into thinking that Carrie is still the "good child" after she cheated with her sister's husband? Are they trying to set up a total Marlena/Sami break or a total Sami/Carrie break? The writers totally missed the boat on this one, IMO. Mardar you suck!
Seriously? Wtf? Being a blood relative has nothing to do with love or parenting.
No, it doesn't, and I'm not saying that Marlena shouldn't love Carrie and vice versa and guide her if she needs it, but for her to continously choose Carrie, who isn't her daughter, over Sami who is, to me is ridiculous. For her to tell Carrie that she did nothing wrong in kissing her daughter's husband is ridiculous. Are we supposed to think that Marlena doesn't love or care what happens to Sami's marriage with Rafe because of this? I know she knows Sami had sex with EJ, but Carrie doesn't know that, and what she's hearing is that Marlena is condoning what she did by saying she did nothing wrong. If Sami had done it, would she have told Sami that? I sincerely doubt it.
I don't really think she's siding with Carrie though, more like comforting her when she knows how upset she is over it.

But I TOTALLY get why she would side with Carrie over Sami, who has been a turd to her for quite a long time now.

Of course, she LOVES her butthead of a daughter, but that doesn't mean that she LIKES her all that much.

Would you?
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Feb 7 2012, 11:47 AM
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Feb 7 2012, 11:32 AM
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Feb 7 2012, 11:20 AM

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Seriously? Wtf? Being a blood relative has nothing to do with love or parenting.
No, it doesn't, and I'm not saying that Marlena shouldn't love Carrie and vice versa and guide her if she needs it, but for her to continously choose Carrie, who isn't her daughter, over Sami who is, to me is ridiculous. For her to tell Carrie that she did nothing wrong in kissing her daughter's husband is ridiculous. Are we supposed to think that Marlena doesn't love or care what happens to Sami's marriage with Rafe because of this? I know she knows Sami had sex with EJ, but Carrie doesn't know that, and what she's hearing is that Marlena is condoning what she did by saying she did nothing wrong. If Sami had done it, would she have told Sami that? I sincerely doubt it.
I don't agree with how Marlena is handling this either (thiughbincould change my mind once I actually see it) but it has nothing to do with which daughter shares her DNA. Idk if Marlena would condone it if Sami did it, but right now she seems to be making identical excuses for both girls. Regardless, I find the notion that Carrie isn't Marlena's daughter simply because she isn't married to Roman to be...honestly I don't have a strong enough adjective for it.
Biology is not what makes someone your child, and I despise it when anyone suggests it.

Carrie is Marlena's daughter. She had visits with Anna in the 80s, but Carrie lived with Marlena, even when Roman was gone. From pretty much the second Anna and Carrie arrived in Salem, Marlena was her primary caregiver, even moreso than Roman was (who was chasing Stefano). The same was true of John from the second he and Marlena married in 1986, he was Carrie's father. That continued in the 90s, with Carrie feeling much more closer to John and Marlena than Roman or Anna. She is their child, period. If nothing else, they proved this at their ceremony in 1999 when she was included as such.

Carrie has treated John and Marlena as her father and her mother. Anna wasn't a disciplinarian (and Anna knew it, she loved Carrie enough to realize that Marlena was better for her), Marlena was. Marlena set the rules of the household that Carrie, Sami and Eric grew up in together.

That is what makes Marlena Carrie's mom alongside Anna.

Add to that the fact that Carrie has only treated Marlena (and John) with respect, their closeness is understandable.

It also makes this stupid line of Marlena's all the more stupid. Yes, it was just a kiss in the heat of the moment, but Marlena would let Carrie know that she stepped over the line, and then ask her what she's feeling.

The fact that Sami is still allowed within 50 feet of Belle, John, Marlena and Will tells me that Marlena loves her more than even a mother should. Yes, the love a mother has for a child is beyond all else, but "unconditional" as it were, ends when the daughter uses that love to get away with rape, kidnapping, lies, ruining people's lives and pretty much... murder. Unconditional shouldn't mean that she accepts everything.
Edited by The Room Stops, Feb 7 2012, 12:45 PM.
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Watching live again today. I'm just as excited about it today as I was yesterday.
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I'm glad the show started with a replay of Hope's crappy reaction from yesterday. Really reels you in.
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Is Marlena wearing black with brown?
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Feb 7 2012, 01:00 PM
I'm glad the show started with a replay of Hope's crappy reaction from yesterday. Really reels you in.
LMAO!
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My gosh Brady. What a moron! Who does that! She should have punched him right in the face. What a creeper! What a creeper with nice arms.
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I don't like the dialogue in the Safe scenes. Rafe is saying it only happened once, but he's also saying "It's finally out in the open." Sami should have jumped all over that.
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I'm glad Bo's at least questioning that maybe it's a set-up from Stefano.
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lysie
Feb 7 2012, 01:01 PM
Is Marlena wearing black with brown?
Ruh roh...she really IS trying to get on your bad side, isn't she? :unsure:
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