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Friday, February 10th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 9 2012, 02:53 PM (8,422 Views)
Fairygodmother


What I'm confused about, is when did Hope have time to deliver a John child before John and Marlena's wedding? Was she missing in action for nine months somewhere? I don't get it.

The only time I remember her missing was when she and Stefano were locked up in the castle dungeon.

I don't get when this pregnancy could have happened?
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And that time while she was missing she was pregnant with Zack. We saw Zack. We saw Zack being born. We saw two marriages almost end because of Hope's lie and John's asshole-y-ness. We saw him die.
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Fairygodmother
Feb 9 2012, 07:55 PM
What I'm confused about, is when did Hope have time to deliver a John child before John and Marlena's wedding? Was she missing in action for nine months somewhere? I don't get it.

The only time I remember her missing was when she and Stefano were locked up in the castle dungeon.

I don't get when this pregnancy could have happened?
That is why this timing seems to put an end to the missing Jope baby rumors. Unless they want to say Zack was part of a set of a twins and the other child was kidnapped and fathered by John. That is the only way any child could've been concieved during John and Hope's marriage. I have a hard time believing that is going to be the case, based on the timeline they're giving us. It's stretching enough to say John and Hope got married in Alamainia before John and Marlena's marriage. Saying she had a child would be impossible, even for a soap.
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Fairygodmother


Okay, I'm rejecting my confusion. There is no Jope child. There is no Jope child. Something else must be in the works with Stefano's evil manipulations, even though I don't know what.

I hope Alice's envelope is a shattering reveal. Maybe Jack and Marlena can figure it out while Jope deal with Alamania.
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Fairygodmother
Feb 9 2012, 08:04 PM
Okay, I'm rejecting my confusion. There is no Jope child. There is no Jope child. Something else must be in the works with Stefano's evil manipulations, even though I don't know what.

I hope Alice's envelope is a shattering reveal. Maybe Jack and Marlena can figure it out while Jope deal with Alamania.
Jack and Marlena! They can bring Jack into it by having him snoop around while Bo's shadowing John and Hope to Alamania while Marlena deals with the homefront. Stefano puts his move towards Marlena, Jack's caught in the crossfire (and dealing with PTSD while in danger... you'll need a shrink nearby). They bond, then go to Alamania to save John, Bo and Hope.

I want Stefano eeeeevvvvuuullll. Is that so much to ask, really?
Edited by The Room Stops, Feb 9 2012, 08:12 PM.
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lysie
Feb 9 2012, 07:38 PM
Tammy
Feb 9 2012, 07:36 PM
I am confused. Was this John and Hope wedding (in another country) supposed to take place during the 5 minutes they were together in the submarine in 1999?
No. Stefano said it was right before John and Marlena's wedding.
I swear to God they act like viewers don't pay attention! When was John gone long enough, before his wedding to Marlena, to go to another country and get married? I remember that Hope lured John away right before the wedding ceremony... but that's it!

I know we are supposed to "suspend disbelief" for a soap... but COME ON!
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Feb 9 2012, 07:57 PM
And that time while she was missing she was pregnant with Zack. We saw Zack. We saw Zack being born. We saw two marriages almost end because of Hope's lie and John's asshole-y-ness. We saw him die.
Exactly. It was also proven that Zack was Bo's. Blood tests proved it. But that doesn't mean these writers won't pull some rewritten history out of their ass.
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AFaithL
Feb 9 2012, 08:36 PM
The Room Stops
Feb 9 2012, 07:57 PM
And that time while she was missing she was pregnant with Zack. We saw Zack. We saw Zack being born. We saw two marriages almost end because of Hope's lie and John's asshole-y-ness. We saw him die.
Exactly. It was also proven that Zack was Bo's. Blood tests proved it. But that doesn't mean these writers won't pull some rewritten history out of their ass.
Zack is a pretty special bond for Bo and Hope. I don't think even Corday would let anything change that. I don't think we have to worry about Zack's paternity being changed from the grave.
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AFaithL
Feb 9 2012, 08:36 PM
The Room Stops
Feb 9 2012, 07:57 PM
And that time while she was missing she was pregnant with Zack. We saw Zack. We saw Zack being born. We saw two marriages almost end because of Hope's lie and John's asshole-y-ness. We saw him die.
Exactly. It was also proven that Zack was Bo's. Blood tests proved it. But that doesn't mean these writers won't pull some rewritten history out of their ass.
Well, technically Zack's being Bo's son was a rewrite that a writer pulled out of his ass.
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DrewHamilton
Feb 9 2012, 08:38 PM
AFaithL
Feb 9 2012, 08:36 PM
The Room Stops
Feb 9 2012, 07:57 PM
And that time while she was missing she was pregnant with Zack. We saw Zack. We saw Zack being born. We saw two marriages almost end because of Hope's lie and John's asshole-y-ness. We saw him die.
Exactly. It was also proven that Zack was Bo's. Blood tests proved it. But that doesn't mean these writers won't pull some rewritten history out of their ass.
Zack is a pretty special bond for Bo and Hope. I don't think even Corday would let anything change that. I don't think we have to worry about Zack's paternity being changed from the grave.
Don't count in it. They'll probably rewrite history, dig up Zack's bones, and say Zack was never BOPE's to begin with, so they'll have to search for their "missing child" which will convienantly be John's, and thus Bope will be stuck with John tied to their asses forever. And Marlena will just have to deal with it.

Don't be surprised if they dig up Zack's bones soon. These people love to rewrite history...especially if the outcome is shitty for the fans.
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AFaithL
Feb 9 2012, 08:47 PM
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Feb 9 2012, 08:38 PM
AFaithL
Feb 9 2012, 08:36 PM
The Room Stops
Feb 9 2012, 07:57 PM
And that time while she was missing she was pregnant with Zack. We saw Zack. We saw Zack being born. We saw two marriages almost end because of Hope's lie and John's asshole-y-ness. We saw him die.
Exactly. It was also proven that Zack was Bo's. Blood tests proved it. But that doesn't mean these writers won't pull some rewritten history out of their ass.
Zack is a pretty special bond for Bo and Hope. I don't think even Corday would let anything change that. I don't think we have to worry about Zack's paternity being changed from the grave.
Don't count in it. They'll probably rewrite history, dig up Zack's bones, and say Zack was never BOPE's to begin with, so they'll have to search for their "missing child" which will convienantly be John's, and thus Bope will be stuck with John tied to their asses forever. And Marlena will just have to deal with it.

Don't be surprised if they dig up Zack's bones soon. These people love to rewrite history...especially if the outcome is shitty for the fans.
Rewriting history is one thing (ie, Daniel being Maggie's son, John and Hope's marriage, etc.). Destroying the special bond that's always referenced for the show's "signature couple" is a completely different thing. I just don't see it happening. Sorry.
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Feb 9 2012, 08:50 PM
AFaithL
Feb 9 2012, 08:47 PM
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Feb 9 2012, 08:38 PM
AFaithL
Feb 9 2012, 08:36 PM

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Zack is a pretty special bond for Bo and Hope. I don't think even Corday would let anything change that. I don't think we have to worry about Zack's paternity being changed from the grave.
Don't count in it. They'll probably rewrite history, dig up Zack's bones, and say Zack was never BOPE's to begin with, so they'll have to search for their "missing child" which will convienantly be John's, and thus Bope will be stuck with John tied to their asses forever. And Marlena will just have to deal with it.

Don't be surprised if they dig up Zack's bones soon. These people love to rewrite history...especially if the outcome is shitty for the fans.
Rewriting history is one thing (ie, Daniel being Maggie's son, John and Hope's marriage, etc.). Destroying the special bond that's always referenced for the show's "signature couple" is a completely different thing. I just don't see it happening. Sorry.
I hope you're right. Not optimistic though.
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lysie


I don't want them to change Zack's paternity, but Zack could be my biological child with Rex and it wouldn't make him any less Bo and Hope's son. It wouldn't destroy their bond and it won't/shouldn't make them feel differently about one another.
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lysie
Feb 9 2012, 08:57 PM
I don't want them to change Zack's paternity, but Zack could be my biological child with Rex and it wouldn't make him any less Bo and Hope's son. It wouldn't destroy their bond and it won't/shouldn't make them feel differently about one another.
Don't want it changing.
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AFaithL
Feb 9 2012, 09:00 PM
lysie
Feb 9 2012, 08:57 PM
I don't want them to change Zack's paternity, but Zack could be my biological child with Rex and it wouldn't make him any less Bo and Hope's son. It wouldn't destroy their bond and it won't/shouldn't make them feel differently about one another.
Don't want it changing.
I'm aware.
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I don't think it would destroy their bond, but it could be complicated territory since the trauma from his death has fed into so many things.

I wished Ciara had been Patrick's, because Bo would have loved her like his own, but it would have added an interesting layer to his anger when Hope took her away a few years ago. I don't know exactly what the story would be with Zack as Jope's, though.
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lysie
Feb 9 2012, 08:57 PM
I don't want them to change Zack's paternity, but Zack could be my biological child with Rex and it wouldn't make him any less Bo and Hope's son. It wouldn't destroy their bond and it won't/shouldn't make them feel differently about one another.
It certainly would to me. I've never been a fan of that honorary/symbolizing connection bullshit. Bo and Hope raised Zack so the bond is there, but it would be tarnished to hell and back if his paternity was ever changed. And it would just be such a disgusting creative choice. I just don't see it happening.
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DrewHamilton
Feb 9 2012, 09:15 PM
lysie
Feb 9 2012, 08:57 PM
I don't want them to change Zack's paternity, but Zack could be my biological child with Rex and it wouldn't make him any less Bo and Hope's son. It wouldn't destroy their bond and it won't/shouldn't make them feel differently about one another.
It certainly would to me. I've never been a fan of that honorary/symbolizing connection bullshit. Bo and Hope raised Zack so the bond is there, but it would be tarnished to hell and back if his paternity was ever changed. And it would just be such a disgusting creative choice. I just don't see it happening.
It's not honorary or symbolic. They raised him. They were his parents. DNA is irrelevant. If they raised a kid that wasn't biologically theirs and that changes their feelings for him at all they'd be the worst parents in the world, IMO. I don't want them to change his paternity again either, but I resent the idea that it would change anything about their bond or memory of their child. I mean, it didn't even do that to Abe and Lexie.
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lysie
Feb 9 2012, 09:20 PM
DrewHamilton
Feb 9 2012, 09:15 PM
lysie
Feb 9 2012, 08:57 PM
I don't want them to change Zack's paternity, but Zack could be my biological child with Rex and it wouldn't make him any less Bo and Hope's son. It wouldn't destroy their bond and it won't/shouldn't make them feel differently about one another.
It certainly would to me. I've never been a fan of that honorary/symbolizing connection bullshit. Bo and Hope raised Zack so the bond is there, but it would be tarnished to hell and back if his paternity was ever changed. And it would just be such a disgusting creative choice. I just don't see it happening.
It's not honorary or symbolic. They raised him. They were his parents. DNA is irrelevant. If they raised a kid that wasn't biologically theirs and that changes their feelings for him at all they'd be the worst parents in the world, IMO. I don't want them to change his paternity again either, but I resent the idea that it would change anything about their bond or memory of their child. I mean, it didn't even do that to Abe and Lexie.
You're right. Raising Zack gives Bo and Hope that bond forever. Abe and Lexie too. I just can't see anyone changing Zack's paternity, nor do I think Corday would allow it. I do believe Corday would look at Zack as a bond Bo and Hope have and wouldn't want that ruined because of him not being their biological child. It's not like Corday sees layers. He's proven that in the past.
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