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Tuesday, February 14th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 13 2012, 03:56 PM (14,134 Views)
DrewHamilton
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PhoenixRising05
Feb 15 2012, 12:41 AM
John definitely had a chip. It fell out prior to Bo and Gina's wedding. John was sitting in church and had real bad neck or head pain or something. We got that awful scene Kenny described and it fell out. Rolf, who was disguised as a Rabbi I believe, was hiding in a confessional and went by and picked it up after it fell to the ground.
Yes! Okay. Now I remember. It was during Bo and Gina's wedding in 1999. I kept recalling Bo and Hope's winter wedding from 2000 and I couldn't recall any scene with a chip falling out. Okay. I do remember John sitting at the church and having those spasms or whatever, and then the camera zoomed into his cells/bloodstream/skin and we saw the chip configuring electronically. LOL! My god, what the hell was Tom Langan smoking?!
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DrewHamilton
Feb 15 2012, 12:46 AM
PhoenixRising05
Feb 15 2012, 12:41 AM
John definitely had a chip. It fell out prior to Bo and Gina's wedding. John was sitting in church and had real bad neck or head pain or something. We got that awful scene Kenny described and it fell out. Rolf, who was disguised as a Rabbi I believe, was hiding in a confessional and went by and picked it up after it fell to the ground.
Yes! Okay. Now I remember. It was during Bo and Gina's wedding in 1999. I kept recalling Bo and Hope's winter wedding from 2000 and I couldn't recall any scene with a chip falling out. Okay. I do remember John sitting at the church and having those spasms or whatever, and then the camera zoomed into his cells/bloodstream/skin and we saw the chip configuring electronically. LOL! My god, what the hell was Tom Langan smoking?!
The sad part is Langan was a good EP until after JER left. After that, it seemed like he and Corday wanted to top what JER had done by going more and more Sci-Fi and it just kept getting more and more absurd.

That was why I hated the Princess Gina story up until real Gina showed up. That was when it got pretty good. I like Sci-Fi but all the chip stuff was just too much. They could've just accomplished it all by going the normal brainwashing route. It was all just so unnecessary and very confusing. There were times you weren't sure who exactly Hope was. Was it Gina as Hope? Hope pretending she was Gina? I mean, the Fall of 1999 was a confusing mess until real Hope returned and then it got good with her locked in the turret and Gina taking over her life.
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I absolutely loved the EJole scene...pure SEXY but EJill is so much fun to watch. Will is pushing every one of EJ's buttons and it's always entertaining to watch EJ's control slipping away, however Will should cap his cockiness it may come back to bite him where the sun don't shine. EJ is not the most rational of villains right now. He is so desperate to make sure his Nikki doesn't find out about his nasty dalliance with town hypocrite Sami.
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Feb 15 2012, 12:46 AM
My god, what the hell was Tom Langan smoking?!
I know people like to piss on JER for being so "out there" but at least none of his stories involved brain, neck or tooth chips, LoL. SSM started that shit with Vivian and Langan continued with it. From 1999 - 2002, it seemed like every character on the show had a chip implanted in them at one point or another.



And then, of course, there was Virtual Eden.



I'll take Aremid and Maison Blanche over that nonsense anyday.
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I never understood Langan. He was so hit or miss as a HW. There was no in between with him. He was either great or just plain awful with his material.

He was a HW that would've done well at ABC under Frons. He wrote alot of cheap, sweeps ratings stunts. He was good at it but there were lots of story lulls and he stopped and started alot of stories and even dropped some stories altogether.
Edited by PhoenixRising05, Feb 15 2012, 01:00 AM.
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Bottom line, the whole chips/remotes/brainwashing/subsex was done for 1 reason: Tom Langan wanted John and Hope together, but he couldn't find a way to do it without it looking like a betrayal to Marlena and Bo, so he created this outlandish tale to get them together via chips and fake personalities, so as not taint Jarlena and Bope.

It sucked. It was nasty. It made no sense. One big "fail".
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I can't believe anyone would ever refer to Tom Langan as "hit or miss". I remember back in the day everyone would call him names that would make what everyone calls MarDar & Higley look like love letters. I remember EVERYONE BEGGING to get that man fired and when it finally happened, I swear it nearly crashed SON. I remember rumors of Langan & Corday having it out over control of the show and Langan being escorted off of the lot. I remember MONTHS of nothing but Salem High where you didn't see a character older than 18. Gawd. That period of the show was AWFUL. Current day hot mess is OSCAR worthy compared to Langan's crap.
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Feb 15 2012, 01:40 AM
I remember MONTHS of nothing but Salem High where you didn't see a character older than 18. Gawd. That period of the show was AWFUL.
Not only were we stuck in Salem High hell but the stories were so juvenile I could've sworn I was watching an after-school special for pre-teens. I think Langan was pissed he never got the spinoff he wanted so he decided to turn Days into the spinoff instead, trashing the show's identity in the process. I mean, Garden of Eden? Brain chips controlling half the town? It was awful. There were some things Langan did right, like turning Nicole into a bitch, Evil Lexie and the Coronation Massacre, but aside from that, his stuff was unwatchable.

That, for me, was one of the darkest eras of the show, along with Higley '03, Higley 2008 - 2011 and Reilly mid-2004 - 2006.
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I thought he did alot of good things. The baby switch and evil Lexie and what he did with the 20/30 somethings (Eric/Greta/Brandon/Sami/Lucas/Nicole/Austin/Carrie/etc) was good. It was under him where characters stopped being isolated in their own stories. He had the Greta/Jack/Jennifer stuff, which was pretty entertaining aside from the horrible gay angle. I thought he handled the teens well early on. He did some interesting things with Victor and Kate and made Victor a badass again. It all went off the rails in the middle of 2001. That is when the show began to be one giant after school special and cast balance was tossed out the window. They stalled all the stories and gave the whole up to the teens with a little bit of Nicole, Victor, Jack, Jennifer, and Greta tossed in the middle here and there. Up until that point, the worst part of Langan was crap like Garden of Eden and his constant reliance on stunts. His stunts were good though (the coronation massacre, Kiriakis mansion fire, Salem Bombings, etc). He just relied on them too much IMO.

His reign wasn't the worst though. I still rate Higley's first reign and JER's second reign (because of the middle of 2004-the end of his stint) as worse than his reign. I would actually even rate SSM's reign as worse than his, to be honest.
Edited by PhoenixRising05, Feb 15 2012, 02:17 AM.
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Feb 15 2012, 02:16 AM
I thought he did alot of good things. The baby switch and evil Lexie and what he did with the 20/30 somethings (Eric/Greta/Brandon/Sami/Lucas/Nicole/Austin/Carrie/etc) was good.
I don't remember much of what he wrote for the twenty-somethings, but wasn't Carrie gone by the time he started writing?

Another stunt he wrote... the plane crash. Followed by the ridiculousness that was "Alice's Isle." You're right though -- the stunts were usually good. It's too bad everything else was crap.

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Kenny
Feb 15 2012, 02:23 AM
PhoenixRising05
Feb 15 2012, 02:16 AM
I thought he did alot of good things. The baby switch and evil Lexie and what he did with the 20/30 somethings (Eric/Greta/Brandon/Sami/Lucas/Nicole/Austin/Carrie/etc) was good.
I don't remember much of what he wrote for the twenty-somethings, but wasn't Carrie gone by the time he started writing?

Another stunt he wrote... the plane crash. Followed by the ridiculousness that was "Alice's Isle." You're right though -- the stunts were usually good. It's too bad everything else was crap.
He wrote Carrie's exit. His material as HW started in Octoer 1999 and she left with Mike in November 1999.

That Alice's isle crap pretty much ruined the plane crash for me. Ugh. I also recall Princess Gina's rotting corpse making far too many appearances after she died.

Edited by PhoenixRising05, Feb 15 2012, 02:26 AM.
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Feb 15 2012, 02:25 AM
Kenny
Feb 15 2012, 02:23 AM
PhoenixRising05
Feb 15 2012, 02:16 AM
I thought he did alot of good things. The baby switch and evil Lexie and what he did with the 20/30 somethings (Eric/Greta/Brandon/Sami/Lucas/Nicole/Austin/Carrie/etc) was good.
I don't remember much of what he wrote for the twenty-somethings, but wasn't Carrie gone by the time he started writing?

Another stunt he wrote... the plane crash. Followed by the ridiculousness that was "Alice's Isle." You're right though -- the stunts were usually good. It's too bad everything else was crap.
That Alice's isle crap pretty much ruined the plane crash for me.

I also recall Princess Gina's rotting corpse making far too many appearances after she died.
LoL, speaking of which...



This thread is getting a bit off topic though.

Let's try to stick to discussion about Tuesday's episode.
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^^What ever happened to that announcer? ...Kinda sounds like Don LaFontaine? If so, he's deceased now. But whoever he was, he did kick ass on old DAYS promos.

Tuesday's episode kinda sucked. The only thing that really interested me was the Sami/Carrie fight, but Ali Sweeney seems to have lost the little acting chops that she had, and Patrick....well.... no comment there. The slap was a little rushed. I would've held it til after a few scenes.


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Carrie's response to the slap was rediculously unreactionatory. Any chick slapped that way by their sister would be yelling/crying mid way through the slap. She took it to the face like Clint Eastwood. That was the only thing annoying about yesterday. Well, that and how much of a pussy Abe is. He always seems to be holding on to Lexie and Jennifer's apron strings when they are responding to the media on his behalf even though he is standing right there! Such a puss. I think I'd vote for EJ if I were a Salemite.
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Kenny
Feb 15 2012, 12:56 AM
DrewHamilton
Feb 15 2012, 12:46 AM
My god, what the hell was Tom Langan smoking?!
I know people like to piss on JER for being so "out there" but at least none of his stories involved brain, neck or tooth chips, LoL. SSM started that shit with Vivian and Langan continued with it. From 1999 - 2002, it seemed like every character on the show had a chip implanted in them at one point or another.



And then, of course, there was Virtual Eden.



I'll take Aremid and Maison Blanche over that nonsense anyday.
I liked the chip storylines. I did NOT like "virtual Eden". I may be a huge Passions fan, but that virtual Eden storyline even had me rolling my eyes back then.
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Kenny
Feb 15 2012, 01:51 AM
Matt
Feb 15 2012, 01:40 AM
I remember MONTHS of nothing but Salem High where you didn't see a character older than 18. Gawd. That period of the show was AWFUL.
Not only were we stuck in Salem High hell but the stories were so juvenile I could've sworn I was watching an after-school special for pre-teens. I think Langan was pissed he never got the spinoff he wanted so he decided to turn Days into the spinoff instead, trashing the show's identity in the process. I mean, Garden of Eden? Brain chips controlling half the town? It was awful. There were some things Langan did right, like turning Nicole into a bitch, Evil Lexie and the Coronation Massacre, but aside from that, his stuff was unwatchable.

That, for me, was one of the darkest eras of the show, along with Higley '03, Higley 2008 - 2011 and Reilly mid-2004 - 2006.
As a teeny-bopper myself in Langan's era, I loved it, lol. After Langan left is when the show went downhill for me, and other than JER's second tenure (till they went to that stupid Melaswen) I've never loved DOOL the same since. Guess it's all in your demographics at the time ;)
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blueskies
Feb 15 2012, 08:26 AM
Kenny
Feb 15 2012, 01:51 AM
Matt
Feb 15 2012, 01:40 AM
I remember MONTHS of nothing but Salem High where you didn't see a character older than 18. Gawd. That period of the show was AWFUL.
Not only were we stuck in Salem High hell but the stories were so juvenile I could've sworn I was watching an after-school special for pre-teens. I think Langan was pissed he never got the spinoff he wanted so he decided to turn Days into the spinoff instead, trashing the show's identity in the process. I mean, Garden of Eden? Brain chips controlling half the town? It was awful. There were some things Langan did right, like turning Nicole into a bitch, Evil Lexie and the Coronation Massacre, but aside from that, his stuff was unwatchable.

That, for me, was one of the darkest eras of the show, along with Higley '03, Higley 2008 - 2011 and Reilly mid-2004 - 2006.
As a teeny-bopper myself in Langan's era, I loved it, lol. After Langan left is when the show went downhill for me, and other than JER's second tenure (till they went to that stupid Melaswen) I've never loved DOOL the same since. Guess it's all in your demographics at the time ;)
Not quite. I was a teen, too, and I hated it.
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Tom Langan only did one thing that stands out as positive... the John & Marlena plane scene from 1993.
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Feb 15 2012, 12:34 PM
Tom Langan only did one thing that stands out as positive... the John & Marlena plane scene from 1993.
But he didn't write that. He just directed that. That was the responsibility of the talented team of Reilly and Anderson.

Langan had no desire to write for John and Marlena. He was all about Jope. He was the one responsible for the sub-crap. He was the one who gave an interview pissed off that viewers didn't see any chemistry between them. He said "I am like a dog with a bone" . I rejoiced when his ass was canned.
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I know he didn't write that, but Deidre Hall talked about that scene and said that the reason it came out the way it did was that Langan refused to accept any take until the one we saw on screen, which was the last one they did. She was so exhausted because Langan had pretty much just worn them both down, and it became the beauty that is that scene. So yeah, I do give him an inkling of cred for that.

I rejoiced right with you. He was going to have John violently slap Marlena in 2000 (thus ruining the character), he re-wrote whatever he felt like and ruined the show that was my first show that I was hooked on. He was Satan for any J&M fan, outside of that one moment in 1993.
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