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SOD & SOW: Sami is exposed / Will's first kiss with another guy!; 2/28 Issues (SOW articles on page 10)
Topic Started: Feb 15 2012, 10:30 PM (16,997 Views)
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Hopeless_Dreamer
Feb 16 2012, 08:43 AM
Aliaron
Feb 16 2012, 08:00 AM
Nicole fighting Sami is stupid. If anything she should confront and pimpslap EJ. I want the strong Nicole back. She's been missing for several years. She needs to lay into EJ bringing up all he's did to her and all she's had to forgive. He basically destroyed her family. She needs to be more than EJ's sidekick.
If Ej gets attacked for the beastsex by Rafe then Sami should have to face the consequences as well considering she is just as much responsible. I'd like to see someone anyone take the beast down a few notches, but of course I have my doubts whether AS will allow that to happen.
Truth be told, though - Nicole and EJ weren't 'together' when EJami had sex - but Rafe and Sami were supposedly happily married. I can see why Rafe would have a more violent reaction toward EJ than Nicole would to Sami. Nicole's only reason to be pissed is the fact that EJ's been hiding it from her. Sami doesn't have much to do with that.
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Feb 16 2012, 11:52 AM
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Feb 16 2012, 08:43 AM
Aliaron
Feb 16 2012, 08:00 AM
Nicole fighting Sami is stupid. If anything she should confront and pimpslap EJ. I want the strong Nicole back. She's been missing for several years. She needs to lay into EJ bringing up all he's did to her and all she's had to forgive. He basically destroyed her family. She needs to be more than EJ's sidekick.
If Ej gets attacked for the beastsex by Rafe then Sami should have to face the consequences as well considering she is just as much responsible. I'd like to see someone anyone take the beast down a few notches, but of course I have my doubts whether AS will allow that to happen.
Truth be told, though - Nicole and EJ weren't 'together' when EJami had sex - but Rafe and Sami were supposedly happily married. I can see why Rafe would have a more violent reaction toward EJ than Nicole would to Sami. Nicole's only reason to be pissed is the fact that EJ's been hiding it from her. Sami doesn't have much to do with that.
I know. I guess I just like the thought of Sami getting punched in the face over and over like I know Ej probably will be.
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Feb 16 2012, 09:25 AM
Now, the question is how much longer we have to wait for Will to say the words. What happens after the kiss? I find it ridiculous that this is the only storyline going slower than friggin sloth.
They're moving slow with it because the writers are still afraid of making Will gay. Have you noticed that every step forward in his story has come with some convenient out that makes it possible for them to change their minds in the end?

For example, Will finally kisses another guy but it doesn't count because he's drunk/not in his right mind. He finally comes out but not really because he asks if kissing a guy makes him gay rather than coming right out and confirming it himself.

The one thing I keep asking myself is why have the writers have decided to tell this specific story "slow and realistically" yet they rush through everything else? There has to be a reason for that. The only explanation I can come up with is that they're still nervous about making Will gay and they want to leave it an option for them to change their minds in the end just incase the fans react negatively to it. I can hear their spin already: "It was never our intention to make Will gay. We planned from the start to have him question his sexuality and realize in the end that he's straight. The lack of stability in Will's life left him vulnerable and confused and it led him on a path to self-discovery, but he isn't gay. In fact, we have a great reunion planned for him and Gabi."
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Feb 15 2012, 11:40 PM
I won't believe Safe is dead until GG is gone, which isn't going to happen.

To me, they just wanted another triangle involving Sami. They knew they couldn't have EJ involved with her again and they didn't want to go back to her and Austin so they bring Lucas back and make it a Lucas/Sami/Rafe/Carrie/Austin story. Sami and Lucas will bond while she and Rafe are on the outs and just as Sami and Lucas start to become romantic, Rafe will jump back in the picture. I would be shocked if they ever truly end Safe.
Exactly my take on the situation.

This is a soap and on soaps we know that cheating takes place all the time, but it doesn't mean the death of a couple, rather more angst for them. I hardly believe tptb spent almost 3 1/2 years on this couple and are throwing it all away over this. I get that many want them apart permanently to make room for their couple, but I just don't see that happening.

Mardar do seem to want to write triangles for most if not all the couples, so Safe will probably not be any different. As you said, Lucas will return as a friend to Sami, things will develop between them again, and then bam! Rafe will be back in the mix. Sami's men are never out of her orbit unless they leave the show, and as you said, GG isn't going anywhere.
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Kenny
Feb 16 2012, 12:10 PM
Aldo
Feb 16 2012, 09:25 AM
Now, the question is how much longer we have to wait for Will to say the words. What happens after the kiss? I find it ridiculous that this is the only storyline going slower than friggin sloth.
They're moving slow with it because the writers are still afraid of making Will gay. Have you noticed that every step forward in his story has come with some convenient out that makes it possible for them to change their minds in the end?

For example, Will finally kisses another guy but it doesn't count because he's drunk/not in his right mind. He finally comes out but not really because he asks if kissing a guy makes him gay rather than coming right out and confirming it himself.

The one thing I keep asking myself is why have the writers have decided to tell this specific story "slow and realistically" yet they rush through everything else? There has to be a reason for that. The only explanation I can come up with is that they're still nervous about making a main character gay and they want to leave it an option for them to change their minds in the end just incase the fans react negatively to it. I can hear their spin already: "It was never our intention to make Will gay. We planned from the start to have him question his sexuality and realize in the end that he's straight. The lack of stability in Will's life left him vulnerable and confused and it led him on a path to self-discovery, but he isn't gay. In fact, we have a great reunion planned for him and Gabi."

Well, that would be a big letdown. :(
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Feb 16 2012, 12:10 PM
Aldo
Feb 16 2012, 09:25 AM
Now, the question is how much longer we have to wait for Will to say the words. What happens after the kiss? I find it ridiculous that this is the only storyline going slower than friggin sloth.
They're moving slow with it because the writers are still afraid of making Will gay. Have you noticed that every step forward in his story has come with some convenient out that makes it possible for them to change their minds in the end?

For example, Will finally kisses another guy but it doesn't count because he's drunk/not in his right mind. He finally comes out but not really because he asks if kissing a guy makes him gay rather than coming right out and confirming it himself.

The one thing I keep asking myself is why have the writers have decided to tell this specific story "slow and realistically" yet they rush through everything else? There has to be a reason for that. The only explanation I can come up with is that they're still nervous about making Will gay and they want to leave it an option for them to change their minds in the end just incase the fans react negatively to it. I can hear their spin already: "It was never our intention to make Will gay. We planned from the start to have him question his sexuality and realize in the end that he's straight. The lack of stability in Will's life left him vulnerable and confused and it led him on a path to self-discovery, but he isn't gay. In fact, we have a great reunion planned for him and Gabi."
I think you are 100% right. They are waiting for fan reaction on this one.
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Given that they have to wait at least three months from the time they film until the time fans can have a reaction it's going to be tough to get any sort of momentum going on the story. At some point they will simply have to go for it - one way or another. Unless they back way off the shooting schedule and allow themselves to shorten the length of time between filming and air date (which they NEED to do!) I can't see how they have much opportunity to gauge fan reaction on anything.
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Feb 16 2012, 12:15 PM
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Feb 15 2012, 11:40 PM
I won't believe Safe is dead until GG is gone, which isn't going to happen.

To me, they just wanted another triangle involving Sami. They knew they couldn't have EJ involved with her again and they didn't want to go back to her and Austin so they bring Lucas back and make it a Lucas/Sami/Rafe/Carrie/Austin story. Sami and Lucas will bond while she and Rafe are on the outs and just as Sami and Lucas start to become romantic, Rafe will jump back in the picture. I would be shocked if they ever truly end Safe.
Exactly my take on the situation.

This is a soap and on soaps we know that cheating takes place all the time, but it doesn't mean the death of a couple, rather more angst for them. I hardly believe tptb spent almost 3 1/2 years on this couple and are throwing it all away over this. I get that many want them apart permanently to make room for their couple, but I just don't see that happening.

Mardar do seem to want to write triangles for most if not all the couples, so Safe will probably not be any different. As you said, Lucas will return as a friend to Sami, things will develop between them again, and then bam! Rafe will be back in the mix. Sami's men are never out of her orbit unless they leave the show, and as you said, GG isn't going anywhere.
but think about it....the show spend over a decade practically building up Lumi and they threw them away for a couple that they didn't even have much faith in. IMHO, that is what happens all the time especially with a change in writers. I totally see them not being as committed to Rafe and Safe as Dena and Tomlin were.
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Feb 16 2012, 12:45 PM
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Feb 16 2012, 12:15 PM
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Feb 15 2012, 11:40 PM
I won't believe Safe is dead until GG is gone, which isn't going to happen.

To me, they just wanted another triangle involving Sami. They knew they couldn't have EJ involved with her again and they didn't want to go back to her and Austin so they bring Lucas back and make it a Lucas/Sami/Rafe/Carrie/Austin story. Sami and Lucas will bond while she and Rafe are on the outs and just as Sami and Lucas start to become romantic, Rafe will jump back in the picture. I would be shocked if they ever truly end Safe.
Exactly my take on the situation.

This is a soap and on soaps we know that cheating takes place all the time, but it doesn't mean the death of a couple, rather more angst for them. I hardly believe tptb spent almost 3 1/2 years on this couple and are throwing it all away over this. I get that many want them apart permanently to make room for their couple, but I just don't see that happening.

Mardar do seem to want to write triangles for most if not all the couples, so Safe will probably not be any different. As you said, Lucas will return as a friend to Sami, things will develop between them again, and then bam! Rafe will be back in the mix. Sami's men are never out of her orbit unless they leave the show, and as you said, GG isn't going anywhere.
but think about it....the show spend over a decade practically building up Lumi and they threw them away for a couple that they didn't even have much faith in. IMHO, that is what happens all the time especially with a change in writers. I totally see them not being as committed to Rafe and Safe as Dena and Tomlin were.
There is like an odd man out in that group...so maybe Rafe will float between Lumi and Caustin? I dont think Rafe will forgive Sami anytime soon and then when Carrie finds out about so called sex between Austin and Abby, she will be upset too. I think they may move Cafe towards each other but then they always end up back with Caustin. Abby's obsession with Austin must be over by May with new Dr. coming on for her
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LuvingLumi
Feb 16 2012, 12:45 PM
magicsteacher
Feb 16 2012, 12:15 PM
PhoenixRising05
Feb 15 2012, 11:40 PM
I won't believe Safe is dead until GG is gone, which isn't going to happen.

To me, they just wanted another triangle involving Sami. They knew they couldn't have EJ involved with her again and they didn't want to go back to her and Austin so they bring Lucas back and make it a Lucas/Sami/Rafe/Carrie/Austin story. Sami and Lucas will bond while she and Rafe are on the outs and just as Sami and Lucas start to become romantic, Rafe will jump back in the picture. I would be shocked if they ever truly end Safe.
Exactly my take on the situation.

This is a soap and on soaps we know that cheating takes place all the time, but it doesn't mean the death of a couple, rather more angst for them. I hardly believe tptb spent almost 3 1/2 years on this couple and are throwing it all away over this. I get that many want them apart permanently to make room for their couple, but I just don't see that happening.

Mardar do seem to want to write triangles for most if not all the couples, so Safe will probably not be any different. As you said, Lucas will return as a friend to Sami, things will develop between them again, and then bam! Rafe will be back in the mix. Sami's men are never out of her orbit unless they leave the show, and as you said, GG isn't going anywhere.
but think about it....the show spend over a decade practically building up Lumi and they threw them away for a couple that they didn't even have much faith in. IMHO, that is what happens all the time especially with a change in writers. I totally see them not being as committed to Rafe and Safe as Dena and Tomlin were.
Agreed. The three and a half years spent building Safe was done almost entirely under a different regime of writers. Since MarDar took over I've not seen much indication they are investing anything in Safe. It seems they're more interested in writing for the 'old' Sami rather than the Marlena-ized version we got with Dena. Marlena and Carrie are back on canvas - they have no need to write Sami as the damsel in distress she's been throughout the entire Safe relationship.
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Feb 16 2012, 12:45 PM
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Feb 16 2012, 12:15 PM
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Feb 15 2012, 11:40 PM
I won't believe Safe is dead until GG is gone, which isn't going to happen.

To me, they just wanted another triangle involving Sami. They knew they couldn't have EJ involved with her again and they didn't want to go back to her and Austin so they bring Lucas back and make it a Lucas/Sami/Rafe/Carrie/Austin story. Sami and Lucas will bond while she and Rafe are on the outs and just as Sami and Lucas start to become romantic, Rafe will jump back in the picture. I would be shocked if they ever truly end Safe.
Exactly my take on the situation.

This is a soap and on soaps we know that cheating takes place all the time, but it doesn't mean the death of a couple, rather more angst for them. I hardly believe tptb spent almost 3 1/2 years on this couple and are throwing it all away over this. I get that many want them apart permanently to make room for their couple, but I just don't see that happening.

Mardar do seem to want to write triangles for most if not all the couples, so Safe will probably not be any different. As you said, Lucas will return as a friend to Sami, things will develop between them again, and then bam! Rafe will be back in the mix. Sami's men are never out of her orbit unless they leave the show, and as you said, GG isn't going anywhere.
but think about it....the show spend over a decade practically building up Lumi and they threw them away for a couple that they didn't even have much faith in. IMHO, that is what happens all the time especially with a change in writers. I totally see them not being as committed to Rafe and Safe as Dena and Tomlin were.
Which is why I say that men are never out of Sami's orbit unless they leave the show. I doubt they would have dropped the idea of Lumi if BD hadn't been let go. I don't know if these writers are as committed to Safe as Dena; that's something we don't know yet. Just because they have broken them up for now, doesn't mean a whole lot, as we don't know the purpose for it.
I agree with Phoenix Rising; I don't see Rafe/GG going anywhere, and I don't see the end of Safe permanently.
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razorbacks78
Feb 16 2012, 12:54 PM
LuvingLumi
Feb 16 2012, 12:45 PM
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Feb 16 2012, 12:15 PM
PhoenixRising05
Feb 15 2012, 11:40 PM
I won't believe Safe is dead until GG is gone, which isn't going to happen.

To me, they just wanted another triangle involving Sami. They knew they couldn't have EJ involved with her again and they didn't want to go back to her and Austin so they bring Lucas back and make it a Lucas/Sami/Rafe/Carrie/Austin story. Sami and Lucas will bond while she and Rafe are on the outs and just as Sami and Lucas start to become romantic, Rafe will jump back in the picture. I would be shocked if they ever truly end Safe.
Exactly my take on the situation.

This is a soap and on soaps we know that cheating takes place all the time, but it doesn't mean the death of a couple, rather more angst for them. I hardly believe tptb spent almost 3 1/2 years on this couple and are throwing it all away over this. I get that many want them apart permanently to make room for their couple, but I just don't see that happening.

Mardar do seem to want to write triangles for most if not all the couples, so Safe will probably not be any different. As you said, Lucas will return as a friend to Sami, things will develop between them again, and then bam! Rafe will be back in the mix. Sami's men are never out of her orbit unless they leave the show, and as you said, GG isn't going anywhere.
but think about it....the show spend over a decade practically building up Lumi and they threw them away for a couple that they didn't even have much faith in. IMHO, that is what happens all the time especially with a change in writers. I totally see them not being as committed to Rafe and Safe as Dena and Tomlin were.
There is like an odd man out in that group...so maybe Rafe will float between Lumi and Caustin? I dont think Rafe will forgive Sami anytime soon and then when Carrie finds out about so called sex between Austin and Abby, she will be upset too. I think they may move Cafe towards each other but then they always end up back with Caustin. Abby's obsession with Austin must be over by May with new Dr. coming on for her
I personally feel Austin is toast....one way or another and they will move along with Cafe. The writing is on the wall....when Carrie find out that Austin 'slept' with Abby and then Rafe tells her that Sami slept with EJ, they will find comfort and go with that....
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Feb 16 2012, 01:01 PM
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Feb 16 2012, 12:45 PM
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Feb 16 2012, 12:15 PM
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Feb 15 2012, 11:40 PM
I won't believe Safe is dead until GG is gone, which isn't going to happen.

To me, they just wanted another triangle involving Sami. They knew they couldn't have EJ involved with her again and they didn't want to go back to her and Austin so they bring Lucas back and make it a Lucas/Sami/Rafe/Carrie/Austin story. Sami and Lucas will bond while she and Rafe are on the outs and just as Sami and Lucas start to become romantic, Rafe will jump back in the picture. I would be shocked if they ever truly end Safe.
Exactly my take on the situation.

This is a soap and on soaps we know that cheating takes place all the time, but it doesn't mean the death of a couple, rather more angst for them. I hardly believe tptb spent almost 3 1/2 years on this couple and are throwing it all away over this. I get that many want them apart permanently to make room for their couple, but I just don't see that happening.

Mardar do seem to want to write triangles for most if not all the couples, so Safe will probably not be any different. As you said, Lucas will return as a friend to Sami, things will develop between them again, and then bam! Rafe will be back in the mix. Sami's men are never out of her orbit unless they leave the show, and as you said, GG isn't going anywhere.
but think about it....the show spend over a decade practically building up Lumi and they threw them away for a couple that they didn't even have much faith in. IMHO, that is what happens all the time especially with a change in writers. I totally see them not being as committed to Rafe and Safe as Dena and Tomlin were.
Which is why I say that men are never out of Sami's orbit unless they leave the show. I doubt they would have dropped the idea of Lumi if BD hadn't been let go. I don't know if these writers are as committed to Safe as Dena; that's something we don't know yet. Just because they have broken them up for now, doesn't mean a whole lot, as we don't know the purpose for it.
I agree with Phoenix Rising; I don't see Rafe/GG going anywhere, and I don't see the end of Safe permanently.
Lumi was dropped in 2008. Two years before he was let go. It certainly seems they aren't as committed as Dena/Tomlin were, look at the way they are breaking them up, it certainly didn't need to happen that way. Rafe could have kissed Carrie and had all these feelings AFTER the reveal, then they could always chalk it up to the typical rebound relationship....they aren't even doing that.
Edited by LuvingLumi, Feb 16 2012, 01:05 PM.
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Feb 16 2012, 12:54 PM
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Feb 16 2012, 12:45 PM
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Feb 16 2012, 12:15 PM
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Feb 15 2012, 11:40 PM
I won't believe Safe is dead until GG is gone, which isn't going to happen.

To me, they just wanted another triangle involving Sami. They knew they couldn't have EJ involved with her again and they didn't want to go back to her and Austin so they bring Lucas back and make it a Lucas/Sami/Rafe/Carrie/Austin story. Sami and Lucas will bond while she and Rafe are on the outs and just as Sami and Lucas start to become romantic, Rafe will jump back in the picture. I would be shocked if they ever truly end Safe.
Exactly my take on the situation.

This is a soap and on soaps we know that cheating takes place all the time, but it doesn't mean the death of a couple, rather more angst for them. I hardly believe tptb spent almost 3 1/2 years on this couple and are throwing it all away over this. I get that many want them apart permanently to make room for their couple, but I just don't see that happening.

Mardar do seem to want to write triangles for most if not all the couples, so Safe will probably not be any different. As you said, Lucas will return as a friend to Sami, things will develop between them again, and then bam! Rafe will be back in the mix. Sami's men are never out of her orbit unless they leave the show, and as you said, GG isn't going anywhere.
but think about it....the show spend over a decade practically building up Lumi and they threw them away for a couple that they didn't even have much faith in. IMHO, that is what happens all the time especially with a change in writers. I totally see them not being as committed to Rafe and Safe as Dena and Tomlin were.
Agreed. The three and a half years spent building Safe was done almost entirely under a different regime of writers. Since MarDar took over I've not seen much indication they are investing anything in Safe. It seems they're more interested in writing for the 'old' Sami rather than the Marlena-ized version we got with Dena. Marlena and Carrie are back on canvas - they have no need to write Sami as the damsel in distress she's been throughout the entire Safe relationship.
And I think them every day for that. There is no need to have the Marlena/Carrie version of Sami when we have the original recipe right there on canvas. I have been missing this hot mess/bitch/villainess version of Sami for some time now. I hope she stays and never leaves again.
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Feb 16 2012, 12:45 PM
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Feb 16 2012, 12:15 PM
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Feb 15 2012, 11:40 PM
I won't believe Safe is dead until GG is gone, which isn't going to happen.

To me, they just wanted another triangle involving Sami. They knew they couldn't have EJ involved with her again and they didn't want to go back to her and Austin so they bring Lucas back and make it a Lucas/Sami/Rafe/Carrie/Austin story. Sami and Lucas will bond while she and Rafe are on the outs and just as Sami and Lucas start to become romantic, Rafe will jump back in the picture. I would be shocked if they ever truly end Safe.
Exactly my take on the situation.

This is a soap and on soaps we know that cheating takes place all the time, but it doesn't mean the death of a couple, rather more angst for them. I hardly believe tptb spent almost 3 1/2 years on this couple and are throwing it all away over this. I get that many want them apart permanently to make room for their couple, but I just don't see that happening.

Mardar do seem to want to write triangles for most if not all the couples, so Safe will probably not be any different. As you said, Lucas will return as a friend to Sami, things will develop between them again, and then bam! Rafe will be back in the mix. Sami's men are never out of her orbit unless they leave the show, and as you said, GG isn't going anywhere.
but think about it....the show spend over a decade practically building up Lumi and they threw them away for a couple that they didn't even have much faith in. IMHO, that is what happens all the time especially with a change in writers. I totally see them not being as committed to Rafe and Safe as Dena and Tomlin were.
Agreed. The three and a half years spent building Safe was done almost entirely under a different regime of writers. Since MarDar took over I've not seen much indication they are investing anything in Safe. It seems they're more interested in writing for the 'old' Sami rather than the Marlena-ized version we got with Dena. Marlena and Carrie are back on canvas - they have no need to write Sami as the damsel in distress she's been throughout the entire Safe relationship.
Well,since these writers have chosen to change Rafe's character, he and the "old" Sami may fit together just fine. We don't know how far these writers are willing to take Sami back to the old version. I just don't see her being the drugging, test switching, Stan version of Sami we saw once; lying, blaming others, scheming, yes.
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but think about it....the show spend over a decade practically building up Lumi and they threw them away for a couple that they didn't even have much faith in. IMHO, that is what happens all the time especially with a change in writers. I totally see them not being as committed to Rafe and Safe as Dena and Tomlin were.
Agreed. The three and a half years spent building Safe was done almost entirely under a different regime of writers. Since MarDar took over I've not seen much indication they are investing anything in Safe. It seems they're more interested in writing for the 'old' Sami rather than the Marlena-ized version we got with Dena. Marlena and Carrie are back on canvas - they have no need to write Sami as the damsel in distress she's been throughout the entire Safe relationship.
Well,since these writers have chosen to change Rafe's character, he and the "old" Sami may fit together just fine. We don't know how far these writers are willing to take Sami back to the old version. I just don't see her being the drugging, test switching, Stan version of Sami we saw once; lying, blaming others, scheming, yes.
It's hard for me to see how these writers have changed Rafe much because I don't feel like we've ever known all that much about him to begin with. While Rafe had certainly seemed to be devoted to Sami prior to this stuff with Carrie we have no idea if he's had the inclination to stray in past relationships. They've never really given Rafe any sort of temptation until now.
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but think about it....the show spend over a decade practically building up Lumi and they threw them away for a couple that they didn't even have much faith in. IMHO, that is what happens all the time especially with a change in writers. I totally see them not being as committed to Rafe and Safe as Dena and Tomlin were.
Which is why I say that men are never out of Sami's orbit unless they leave the show. I doubt they would have dropped the idea of Lumi if BD hadn't been let go. I don't know if these writers are as committed to Safe as Dena; that's something we don't know yet. Just because they have broken them up for now, doesn't mean a whole lot, as we don't know the purpose for it.
I agree with Phoenix Rising; I don't see Rafe/GG going anywhere, and I don't see the end of Safe permanently.
Lumi was dropped in 2008. Two years before he was let go. It certainly seems they aren't as committed as Dena/Tomlin were, look at the way they are breaking them up, it certainly didn't need to happen that way. Rafe could have kissed Carrie and had all these feelings AFTER the reveal, then they could always chalk it up to the typical rebound relationship....they aren't even doing that.
Rafe kept telling Sami how much he loved her but he never answered her or Kayla in regards to feelings for Carrie and Carrie keeps saying no feelings for Rafe yet she has flashed to that kiss twice since it happened
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but think about it....the show spend over a decade practically building up Lumi and they threw them away for a couple that they didn't even have much faith in. IMHO, that is what happens all the time especially with a change in writers. I totally see them not being as committed to Rafe and Safe as Dena and Tomlin were.
Which is why I say that men are never out of Sami's orbit unless they leave the show. I doubt they would have dropped the idea of Lumi if BD hadn't been let go. I don't know if these writers are as committed to Safe as Dena; that's something we don't know yet. Just because they have broken them up for now, doesn't mean a whole lot, as we don't know the purpose for it.
I agree with Phoenix Rising; I don't see Rafe/GG going anywhere, and I don't see the end of Safe permanently.
Lumi was dropped in 2008. Two years before he was let go. It certainly seems they aren't as committed as Dena/Tomlin were, look at the way they are breaking them up, it certainly didn't need to happen that way. Rafe could have kissed Carrie and had all these feelings AFTER the reveal, then they could always chalk it up to the typical rebound relationship....they aren't even doing that.
I think there was a definite purpose for breaking them up the way they did. Sami cheated on Rafe and Rafe cheated on Sami, each committing the ultimate betrayal . It opens the door for them to forgive each other down the road. If Rafe would have waited to kiss Carrie until after the reveal, and Rafe had remained the straight as an arrow husband, I doubt he would have ever forgiven Sami. Now, the playing field is somewhat leveled. Will they break up now? Sure they will, and Carrie and Rafe will probably be together, each devastated over their spouse's betrayal. It almost has to happen that way. No way would two people forgive each other that easily, but doesn't mean they are done forever.
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Feb 16 2012, 12:10 PM
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Now, the question is how much longer we have to wait for Will to say the words. What happens after the kiss? I find it ridiculous that this is the only storyline going slower than friggin sloth.
They're moving slow with it because the writers are still afraid of making Will gay. Have you noticed that every step forward in his story has come with some convenient out that makes it possible for them to change their minds in the end?

For example, Will finally kisses another guy but it doesn't count because he's drunk/not in his right mind. He finally comes out but not really because he asks if kissing a guy makes him gay rather than coming right out and confirming it himself.

The one thing I keep asking myself is why have the writers have decided to tell this specific story "slow and realistically" yet they rush through everything else? There has to be a reason for that. The only explanation I can come up with is that they're still nervous about making Will gay and they want to leave it an option for them to change their minds in the end just incase the fans react negatively to it. I can hear their spin already: "It was never our intention to make Will gay. We planned from the start to have him question his sexuality and realize in the end that he's straight. The lack of stability in Will's life left him vulnerable and confused and it led him on a path to self-discovery, but he isn't gay. In fact, we have a great reunion planned for him and Gabi."
I do understand and agree on your points, Kenny.

I've always been concerned about this story. However, if they were afraid about the whole storyline they should not have come out to the press and confirm to the national press that Will is gay.

Once EW "broke" the news on October 31 with confirmation from the producers, it went everywhere. Add to that all these interviews by Chandler Massey and Freddie Smith where they confirmed and reconfirmed the story and went further on details about it. And they keep doing it! Example of that is this article from SOD which we are replying.

Now the eyes of the LGBT community are on them very watchful on how they deal with the story.

Just imagine the reaction if they release something similar to that last sentence of your reply after they went public about their plans for Will couple of months ago. It would result in getting very bad press and a wide array of negative epithets.

Thank God for the internet because the evidence is there and there is plenty of it.
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Which is why I say that men are never out of Sami's orbit unless they leave the show. I doubt they would have dropped the idea of Lumi if BD hadn't been let go. I don't know if these writers are as committed to Safe as Dena; that's something we don't know yet. Just because they have broken them up for now, doesn't mean a whole lot, as we don't know the purpose for it.
I agree with Phoenix Rising; I don't see Rafe/GG going anywhere, and I don't see the end of Safe permanently.
Lumi was dropped in 2008. Two years before he was let go. It certainly seems they aren't as committed as Dena/Tomlin were, look at the way they are breaking them up, it certainly didn't need to happen that way. Rafe could have kissed Carrie and had all these feelings AFTER the reveal, then they could always chalk it up to the typical rebound relationship....they aren't even doing that.
Rafe kept telling Sami how much he loved her but he never answered her or Kayla in regards to feelings for Carrie and Carrie keeps saying no feelings for Rafe yet she has flashed to that kiss twice since it happened
Carrie has admitted to Marlena that she has feelings for Rafe. She has chosen not to admit it to Austin or Sami.
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