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SOD & SOW: Sami is exposed / Will's first kiss with another guy!; 2/28 Issues (SOW articles on page 10)
Topic Started: Feb 15 2012, 10:30 PM (16,995 Views)
razorbacks78
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magicsteacher
Feb 16 2012, 03:22 PM
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Feb 16 2012, 01:50 PM
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Feb 16 2012, 01:45 PM
razorbacks78
Feb 16 2012, 01:43 PM

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Let rafe be the dad but Carrie rejects him and wants Austin to raise the baby as his. Karma anyone?
Hahahah nice. Dunno if the Caustin marriage will be fixed that easy...she seems to have lost interest..I bet she'll be secretly pretty stoked that she's having Rafe's baby.
Carrie's been known to lose interest in Austin before, but she always ends up going back with him. It seems as tho the Austin/Abby thing is over by May since she seems to have a new love interest, but will she have done something to "stick it to Austin" before she's done with him-- like changing the DNA results to make Rafe the daddy of Carrie's baby instead of Austin, ala old Sami? Wouldn't surprise me.
And then the truth will come out the baby is Austin's and Caustin will reunite. Cafe have to have sex before Rafe can be considered a possible daddy
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Feb 16 2012, 03:27 PM
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Hahahah nice. Dunno if the Caustin marriage will be fixed that easy...she seems to have lost interest..I bet she'll be secretly pretty stoked that she's having Rafe's baby.
Carrie's been known to lose interest in Austin before, but she always ends up going back with him. It seems as tho the Austin/Abby thing is over by May since she seems to have a new love interest, but will she have done something to "stick it to Austin" before she's done with him-- like changing the DNA results to make Rafe the daddy of Carrie's baby instead of Austin, ala old Sami? Wouldn't surprise me.
And then the truth will come out the baby is Austin's and Caustin will reunite. Cafe have to have sex before Rafe can be considered a possible daddy
Well, true that!!
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Feb 16 2012, 12:10 PM
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Feb 16 2012, 09:25 AM
Now, the question is how much longer we have to wait for Will to say the words. What happens after the kiss? I find it ridiculous that this is the only storyline going slower than friggin sloth.
They're moving slow with it because the writers are still afraid of making Will gay. Have you noticed that every step forward in his story has come with some convenient out that makes it possible for them to change their minds in the end?

For example, Will finally kisses another guy but it doesn't count because he's drunk/not in his right mind. He finally comes out but not really because he asks if kissing a guy makes him gay rather than coming right out and confirming it himself.

The one thing I keep asking myself is why have the writers have decided to tell this specific story "slow and realistically" yet they rush through everything else? There has to be a reason for that. The only explanation I can come up with is that they're still nervous about making Will gay and they want to leave it an option for them to change their minds in the end just incase the fans react negatively to it. I can hear their spin already: "It was never our intention to make Will gay. We planned from the start to have him question his sexuality and realize in the end that he's straight. The lack of stability in Will's life left him vulnerable and confused and it led him on a path to self-discovery, but he isn't gay. In fact, we have a great reunion planned for him and Gabi."
Yep! I'm inclined to think that you may be right with this. And I think the "outs" actually started from the get-go. For instance, Will seemingly having uneasy feelings about Gabi but never displaying any obvious affection towards members of the same sex. Also, intertwining the gay story with Will catching his mother and EJ having sex. Will arriving home from the pub, he takes a look at a picture of himself with Sami, then walks over to the mirror and spits, and now him getting drunk in order to kiss boys. It really does seem like they're being cautious and don't know what to do.
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Feb 16 2012, 02:39 PM
DrewHamilton
Feb 16 2012, 01:58 PM
This. All. Sounds. So. Good.

And I don't think for one second the show is going to reverse Will being gay. They've received way too much praise for the decision to go that route.
I hope not. They're done one thing right, and that is building the relationship between Marlena and Will to the point where any way Will chooses to come out to her, it will seem natural. We already know how she'll react, because she knew before he did. They can't go back.

They think the gay community/supportive community is loud when they do something right? Try taking it back and doing it wrong. Just ask Ramin Setoodeh.
I don't know about that. IIRC the community praised OLTL to high heaven and the show won awards, but when the show blamed the gay characters for the decline in its ratings and announced not only would it end the storyline, but would also send the characters off canvas, outside of an official letter to the TPTB requesting a reconsideration, nothing else really happened (again, as I recall). And I think the explicit and official blaming of gay characters is far worse than deciding not to follow through with making a character gay, at least IMO. Maybe if it was a high profile show there'd be a big stink, but a low rated soap? Hmmm
Edited by badaddiction, Feb 16 2012, 04:51 PM.
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Feb 16 2012, 04:47 PM
The Room Stops
Feb 16 2012, 02:39 PM
DrewHamilton
Feb 16 2012, 01:58 PM
This. All. Sounds. So. Good.

And I don't think for one second the show is going to reverse Will being gay. They've received way too much praise for the decision to go that route.
I hope not. They're done one thing right, and that is building the relationship between Marlena and Will to the point where any way Will chooses to come out to her, it will seem natural. We already know how she'll react, because she knew before he did. They can't go back.

They think the gay community/supportive community is loud when they do something right? Try taking it back and doing it wrong. Just ask Ramin Setoodeh.
I don't know about that. IIRC the community praised OLTL to high heaven and the show won awards, but when the show blamed the gay characters for the decline in its ratings and announced not only would it end the storyline, but would also send the characters off canvas, outside of an official letter to the TPTB requesting a reconsideration, nothing else really happened (again, as I recall). And I think the explicit and official blaming of gay characters is far worse than deciding not to follow through with making a character gay, at least IMO. Maybe if it was a high profile show there'd be a big stink, but a low rated soap? Hmmm
I agree with this too! High praise, which OLTL's KISH definitely got, wasn't enough to save them. The show dumped this already established gay couple anyway. I'm still annoyed by it to this very day because KISH were just about to embark on the next phase of their relationship: Gay parenting.
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Feb 16 2012, 04:12 PM
I think the "outs" actually started from the get-go. For instance, Will seemingly having uneasy feelings about Gabi but never displaying any obvious affection towards members of the same sex. Also, intertwining the gay story with Will catching his mother and EJ having sex.
Also, rather than having EJ blackmail Will with the fact that he knows he's gay (as we were originally led to believe would happen), the writers made up fake history so EJ could blackmail him with the fact that he knows he shot him four years ago.

It's so obvious what the writers are doing. They're trying to have their cake and eat it too with this story. They're afraid of backlash so they're pussyfooting around the real issue so they can change their minds at the last minute if they so desire. "I guess it's time for Will to kiss a guy, but first let's have him get drunk so we can blame it on the alcohol just incase we decide to make him straight again. We need EJ to blackmail Will with something, but rather than blackmailing him over his sexuality, let's make up history so we don't have to acknowledge that Will is gay." It's stuff like that over and over and over. Eventually though, they're going to have to shit or get off the pot because you can't tell a coming out story without acknowledging the fact that the character at the center of it is gay. They can't keep straddling the fence.
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Feb 16 2012, 01:13 PM
The eyes of the LGBT community are on them very watchful on how they deal with the story.

Just imagine the reaction if they release something similar to that last sentence of your reply after they went public about their plans for Will couple of months ago. It would result in getting very bad press and a wide array of negative epithets.
I'm not so sure about that. Like cyndabell posted, OLTL was brazen enough to come right out and blame their low ratings on the gay characters and it didn't spark a national outrage. People were upset about it, but it certainly didn't stop the show from purging the gays.

Ken Corday is a conservative man. The fact that he gave the go-ahead to even test this story was nothing short of a miracle. If he thinks for one second that Will being gay is causing the ratings to drop or turning off his long-time viewers, he'll tell the writers to reverse it in a heartbeat. That's why they've given themselves so many outs (Will getting drunk before kissing a guy, "coming out" but not really, etc.). This story has been in the works since last Spring and there's yet to be a single line of dialogue confirming that Will is actually gay. There's a reason for that.
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cyndabell
Feb 16 2012, 04:55 PM
badaddiction
Feb 16 2012, 04:47 PM
The Room Stops
Feb 16 2012, 02:39 PM
DrewHamilton
Feb 16 2012, 01:58 PM
This. All. Sounds. So. Good.

And I don't think for one second the show is going to reverse Will being gay. They've received way too much praise for the decision to go that route.
I hope not. They're done one thing right, and that is building the relationship between Marlena and Will to the point where any way Will chooses to come out to her, it will seem natural. We already know how she'll react, because she knew before he did. They can't go back.

They think the gay community/supportive community is loud when they do something right? Try taking it back and doing it wrong. Just ask Ramin Setoodeh.
I don't know about that. IIRC the community praised OLTL to high heaven and the show won awards, but when the show blamed the gay characters for the decline in its ratings and announced not only would it end the storyline, but would also send the characters off canvas, outside of an official letter to the TPTB requesting a reconsideration, nothing else really happened (again, as I recall). And I think the explicit and official blaming of gay characters is far worse than deciding not to follow through with making a character gay, at least IMO. Maybe if it was a high profile show there'd be a big stink, but a low rated soap? Hmmm
I agree with this too! High praise, which OLTL's KISH definitely got, wasn't enough to save them. The show dumped this already established gay couple anyway. I'm still annoyed by it to this very day because KISH were just about to embark on the next phase of their relationship: Gay parenting.
I loved Kish. They had great, romantic chemistry.
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nevermind.
Edited by mer4santo, Feb 16 2012, 07:15 PM.
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SOW: Will's First (Guy) Kiss

This week, Will stumbles into his first gay kiss.

After Sonny listens to Will vent about family woes, he tries to brighten his pal's day. "Sonny and his friends are partying and he invites Will," previews Freddie Smith. "Will has been so uptight lately, so this is a chance for him to loosen up and have some fun." Chandler Massey adds, "Since Sonny has come back to Salem, he and Will have grown close as friends. In fact, Sonny has become his best friend."

Will accompanies Sonny to a club at the town square, where Sonny's pals have already assembled. Several of them are engaged in a drinking game and they invite Sonny and Will to join them. "Sonny doesn't accept the offer," notes Smith. But Will is eager to join the fun. "Sonny actually tries to talk Will out of it," Smith says. "He tells Will, 'You're not old enough to be drinking.' Will's attitude is, 'No, you wanted me to have fun, so that's what I'm going to do, have fun.'"

Sonny turns his attention to other friends, while Will gets carried away kicking back shots. "After living with self-loathing and self-disgust, and not being able to accept something about himself, compounded with all the stuff that is going on in his life, Will is tightly wound," voices Massey. "He gets a few drinks in him because it makes him feel less awkward in the situation."

Later, Will meets a handsome friend of Sonny's named Neil and strikes up a conversation with him. "Will has had too much to drink," notes Massey, "and he's starting to feel very relaxed."

Sonny touches base with Will and immediately senses there is a problem. "Sonny is being like the older brother for a minute," explains Smith. "He advises Will to calm down with the drinking, but Will is letting loose for the first time in a long while. He kind of goes crazy and gets real wasted." Will insists that he'll be fine and encourages Sonny to talk with his other friends.

Later, Will makes an aggressive move and kisses Neil. "It's like there is a break in the dam, and Will grabs this guy and pulls him in for a kiss. He allows himself to do something that he would not normally do in a sober situation, " details Massey. "Before Will realizes what he's doing, he sees Sonny. It's one of those moments when Will wishes he could turn invisible."

Will then runs away, "Sonny has been there before, he knows what it feels like," says Smith. "So he just wants to have Will's back. Sonny doesn't want to press too much, because he knows how it is. It just takes time. When Will is ready, he'll talk about it."

Later, Will shows up at Marlena's, still in turmoil about the kiss. "At this point, Will knows what he's feeling, but he doesn't want to accept it," says Massey. "He's looking for his grandmother to tell him that he's okay."

SOW: The Truth Comes Out About Sami And EJ

Will meets with Sonny at the Brady Pub and confides that he walked in on his mom having ex with her ex-hubby. Uh-oh: Rafe is there and overhears. He beelines for the loft, where he confronts his wife. "Rafe doesn't understand how she could be unfaithful, especially with EJ, of all people, no matter what the circumstances," says Galen Gering. "This is a guy who has spent years trying to destroy their lives, and now he has ultimately succeeded." Rafe accuses Sami of being hypocritical, because she made such a big deal about his kiss with Carrie. Sami insists that she still loves Rafe and wants to save their marriage. "Rafe has been blindsided," notes Gering. "He has several different emotions going on. He's angry, distraught and upset."

Meanwhile, EJ arranges a romantic picnic for Nicole in front of the DiMera mansion fireplace. The meal culminates with EJ presenting Nicole with a ring and suggesting that they give their marriage a completely fresh start. "EJ arranges everything so perfectly that Nicole just eats it up," notes Arianne Zucker. The romantic mood is ruined by a loud knock at the front door. Rafe pushes his way in, closely followed by Sami. Rafe throws a punch at EJ. "Nicole definitely comes to EJ's side," shares Zucker. "Obviously, something has happened, because Rafe is usually very calm and collected." Rafe blasts EJ for sleeping with Sami, which cuts Nicole to the core. "EJ was finally trying to do right by Nicole," points out Zucker. "He withheld the truth because he was afraid of losing Nicole. But I think if he trusted Nicole enough to tell her, they may have been able to work it out."

Instead, Nicole is so angered by EJ's behavior that she tosses back his ring and leaves.
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Later, Will makes an aggressive move and kisses Neil. "It's like there is a break in the dam, and Will grabs this guy and pulls him in for a kiss. He allows himself to do something that he would not normally do in a sober situation, " details Massey.


I understand the concern that Corday might reverse course, but Will being the aggressor in the kiss would seem to make that a little more difficult. It doesn't sound like the other guy swoops in for a quick peck and Will doesn't push him away, which would be more weak. I'm definitely interested in seeing how it plays out.

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Rafe accuses Sami of being hypocritical, because she made such a big deal about his kiss with Carrie.


This better not fucking suck, is all I'm sayin'.
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SAMI loves Rafe now that he knows she's a cheating hypocritical whore???? LMFAO!!! I am glad he calls her a hypocrite. Hope he leaves and starts flaunting his feelings for Carrie now. Sami is such an utter LOSER. She always has, always will be.

I hope Rafe fucks the shit out of Carrie, TAPES it, then mails it to Sami so she can watch :) And then knocks her sister up! ;)
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Feb 16 2012, 08:00 PM
The romantic mood is ruined by a loud knock at the front door. Rafe pushes his way in, closely followed by Sami. Rafe throws a punch at EJ. "Nicole definitely comes to EJ's side," shares Zucker. "Obviously, something has happened, because Rafe is usually very calm and collected." Rafe blasts EJ for sleeping with Sami, which cuts Nicole to the core. Instead, Nicole is so angered by EJ's behavior that she tosses back his ring and leaves.
This, plus WilSon looks like a must see. Next week will be so good. Only if the show had more of these dramatic moments more often and not like 10 times in a year.
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Finally, a great-sounding week!!
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Feb 16 2012, 12:10 PM
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Feb 16 2012, 09:25 AM
Now, the question is how much longer we have to wait for Will to say the words. What happens after the kiss? I find it ridiculous that this is the only storyline going slower than friggin sloth.
They're moving slow with it because the writers are still afraid of making Will gay. Have you noticed that every step forward in his story has come with some convenient out that makes it possible for them to change their minds in the end?

For example, Will finally kisses another guy but it doesn't count because he's drunk/not in his right mind. He finally comes out but not really because he asks if kissing a guy makes him gay rather than coming right out and confirming it himself.

The one thing I keep asking myself is why have the writers have decided to tell this specific story "slow and realistically" yet they rush through everything else? There has to be a reason for that. The only explanation I can come up with is that they're still nervous about making Will gay and they want to leave it an option for them to change their minds in the end just incase the fans react negatively to it. I can hear their spin already: "It was never our intention to make Will gay. We planned from the start to have him question his sexuality and realize in the end that he's straight. The lack of stability in Will's life left him vulnerable and confused and it led him on a path to self-discovery, but he isn't gay. In fact, we have a great reunion planned for him and Gabi."
:laugh: The last part made me L-O-L. I can see that happening!
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Feb 16 2012, 12:45 PM
Given that they have to wait at least three months from the time they film until the time fans can have a reaction it's going to be tough to get any sort of momentum going on the story. At some point they will simply have to go for it - one way or another. Unless they back way off the shooting schedule and allow themselves to shorten the length of time between filming and air date (which they NEED to do!) I can't see how they have much opportunity to gauge fan reaction on anything.
There's good news for the writers: If they went balls to the wall and made Will come out, if fans reacted negatively to the story, they could always blame the spectacle on a chip in his penis.

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Don't get up. So how are you? What happened, eh? Let me guess, Stefano told you that you could fly,and you jumped off a building. HeHe It's funny right, no I'm sorry Bad EJ, I should'nt be that cruel!

Oh let the game begin, Toast to Safe demise :cheers:

thanks for posting.
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Feb 16 2012, 08:00 PM
Rafe accuses Sami of being hypocritical, because she made such a big deal about his kiss with Carrie. Sami insists that she still loves Rafe and wants to save their marriage.
Oh sure. Now that he knows you're a lying cheating skank you're all about forgetting past transgressions and trying to save the marriage. Hypocritical bitch.
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Feb 16 2012, 11:00 PM
Oh let the game begin, Toast to Safe demise :cheers:

thanks for posting.
As they say down in the big easy...let the good times roll....
I toast to this...cheers :cheers:
Fucking 3 years to long with this Safe shit :frustration:
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I am doing the happy dance, it's time for Sami to pay the piper, she guilts the hades Rafe for kissing Carrie but she is the one that had sex with EJ, poor Nicole she is blind sided by this, but she should have known that there was more to EJ hiring Will then what he said.
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