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SOD: John and Hope Leave Salem!; 2/28 Issue
Topic Started: Feb 15 2012, 10:35 PM (9,017 Views)
lysie


The behavior in this thread is out of control. Leave fans out of the discussion. We get that some people dislike this story and some people are waiting to see it play out. You don't have to keep repeating it. No one in here is the voice of the entire audience or even an entire fanbase. This thread is for discussion of a spoiler article, not for discussion of someone's speculation.
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gailwinters
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So Rafe has contacts in Alamania........if he's so well connected, you'd think he could find a job. Guessing this is a setup for when he has to help John/Hope out down the road.
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WOW.MarDar killing two couple with one figurative stone. This absolutely makes no sense. I can see we're starting of 2012 on sound footing :censored:
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OK, I'm coming out of lurk mode to voice my opinion. Just can't help it. People, we have to remember this is a story, with no real life ramifications.

That said.....I can think of a million things that would be better than this. We always go chasing John or Hope's secret past, but why do the writers seem to forget Marlena was missing for a long time as well. The only time we ever saw anything about her missing years was during the Cassie and Rex debacle, and that was rewritten to push Winston and Kate (LOL Lysie, that's right....I said Winston)

No mention of that nearly four year stretch after Marlena blew up in the plane with Orephus as RoJohn watched. Zilch. Nada. But we get a retread of a storyline that IMO, started the downward spiral of this once epic series.

Stefano brainwashing Hope to copy art work.....John loving "Gina", and therefore screwing Hope thinking she's "Gina". Just laughable and not suspenseful. Been there, done that, Got the t-shirt....and turned the fucking channel. I stopped watching that shit a few weeks in back in the late 90's/early 2000's.

So they pick to revisit the storyline that crippled this show.

As for the rest........Saying and actor is too old is part of the problem with this industry. How many legendary performers have lost work or have been placed on the backburner because of age? How many shows have lost loyal viewers due to this trend? We need a young cast, but when you take away story because of age, you set in motion a situation that will destroy a show. Drake, Dee, Peter, Kristian, and actors like this are essential elements for a show like Days, and have to be used. If they were 80, bald, and eating oatmeal through a straw, I would likely feel the same way.

The problem is not the performers in the storyline! Objectively, I think this show has balance right now for the most part. I could do with less Sami, but although I fucking loathe her, she is a legacy character with plenty of history. In all, we have a great set of vets, a nice assortment of younger characters with historic ties to the show's main families, and new characters like Madison and Ian who have potential to shake things up. We have the best balance we have had in over a decade.

Throwing the BIG 4 into a story together makes good sense and COULD help reguvinate this show. MarDar, from the beginning, have understood that these four are important. It's about the ONLY thing they have right (Although I LOVE Will under their pen...). The problem is Story. Thats been the problem with this show since the last time we saw Gina seduce John in the submarine. For fourteen years, I have watched a show I love with bad writing. If I'm going to watch a suckfest story, then atleast it's a story with these four involved. It's the ONLY consolation.
Edited by Daysfanatic79, Feb 16 2012, 09:55 AM.
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Marlena's missing years don't exist apparently, even though that actually happened physically for four years for the viewers. But Sami seems to ignore it, they re-wrote the very little that referenced it, so I guess it does no longer exist.

I stopped watching before, I'll do it again, and I am not alone. It doesn't matter how much they try to push it, because the audience already showed (by shutting off their TV screens and writing angry letters) that they are not interested in a romantic pairing. There would be nothing wrong with this if it was a John/Marlena, Bo/Hope story. But as they're making it look (the way they're selling it, which is meant to draw us in, is it not?), it's not.
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Wow, I actually feel embarrassed for the actors in this storyline. And that I like this show lol.
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Hamilton
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Sounds like we are in for a lot of contrived/forced moments ahead. The CAFE checklist is now being handed over to John and Hope to be completed.
Edited by Hamilton, Feb 16 2012, 10:27 AM.
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I actually liked Princess Gina and Father John and how they hid their love from Steffy. But that was FATHER JOHN and GINA...here, they're trying to tell us that there's going to be lingering feelings from something that happened over 15 years old. Not only that, the people who had feelings for each other dont really exist.
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Liz<3Days
Feb 16 2012, 10:31 AM
I actually liked Princess Gina and Father John and how they hid their love from Steffy. But that was FATHER JOHN and GINA...here, they're trying to tell us that there's going to be lingering feelings from something that happened over 15 years old. Not only that, the people who had feelings for each other dont really exist.


That's the part they're seriously leaving out.

Father John/Jawn didn't actually exist. Physically, his body did, but his mind was created by Stefano. John won over that when he managed to be his own person with no influence by Stefano, who fell in love with Marlena and had children, and a real family. Princess Gina was just cray-cray and Stefano's little helper. The cray-cray and Father John got it on after a heist, yes, but that doesn't equal John and Hope physically having had feelings for each other. EVER.
Edited by The Room Stops, Feb 16 2012, 10:36 AM.
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Liz<3Days
Feb 16 2012, 10:31 AM
I actually liked Princess Gina and Father John and how they hid their love from Steffy. But that was FATHER JOHN and GINA...here, they're trying to tell us that there's going to be lingering feelings from something that happened over 15 years old. Not only that, the people who had feelings for each other dont really exist.
Yup. I didn't hate Gina and FrJohn. But this is John and Hope. And silly, contrived moments. It's bad. Lol.
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lene
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DrakeDBEST
Feb 16 2012, 06:54 AM
AlisonLou
Feb 16 2012, 06:46 AM
They have NO chemistry! Drake can't act. His acting has been bad since he returned. And he has over botoxed his face.
He looks ugly now.
I disagree with everything you said. Drake and Kristian DO have chemistry, Drake is a fabulous actor and for the record he doesn't believe in Botox, that would be Deidre that believes in Botox and plastic surgery. I think he is GORGEOUS but whatever, I'm not going to argue with you. I'm entitled to my opinion and you to yours.
Heyyy heyy, lets not forget this...



LOLS
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Feb 16 2012, 10:35 AM
Liz<3Days
Feb 16 2012, 10:31 AM
I actually liked Princess Gina and Father John and how they hid their love from Steffy. But that was FATHER JOHN and GINA...here, they're trying to tell us that there's going to be lingering feelings from something that happened over 15 years old. Not only that, the people who had feelings for each other dont really exist.


That's the part they're seriously leaving out.

Father John/Jawn didn't actually exist. Physically, his body did, but his mind was created by Stefano. John won over that when he managed to be his own person with no influence by Stefano, who fell in love with Marlena and had children, and a real family. Princess Gina was just cray-cray and Stefano's little helper. The cray-cray and Father John got it on after a heist, yes, but that doesn't equal John and Hope physically having had feelings for each other. EVER.
It would be more believable if they get to the island and they are drugged and brainwashed. They dont know it, but we get to see the procedure. We dont even know its Steffy either...it could be Ian or someone else? Then John and Hope are left there to figure out why they have this attraction and maybe be put in situations where those feelings are tested.

Bo and Marlena are finally able to go to get their perspective spouses, but they dont realize that something's been done to them.

Now I can believe that then John and Hope (sans brainwashing) "bump" into each other and POOF insta-feelings emerge.
Edited by Liz<3Days, Feb 16 2012, 10:44 AM.
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OldDaysFankat


Days problem continues to rely on nostalgia and to tell predictable one dimensional stories and to make every couple on this show utter predictable.Evert story since the reboot has been dull and predictable other than Will's and I fear we are headed to after school special territory with that story.I am down to watching 1 day a week even during sweeps which despite the Carrie/Sami moments has been dull.
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lene
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Wonder how long a flight to NOWHERE will take... ugh this story is lame!
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lene
Feb 16 2012, 10:39 AM
DrakeDBEST
Feb 16 2012, 06:54 AM
AlisonLou
Feb 16 2012, 06:46 AM
They have NO chemistry! Drake can't act. His acting has been bad since he returned. And he has over botoxed his face.
He looks ugly now.
I disagree with everything you said. Drake and Kristian DO have chemistry, Drake is a fabulous actor and for the record he doesn't believe in Botox, that would be Deidre that believes in Botox and plastic surgery. I think he is GORGEOUS but whatever, I'm not going to argue with you. I'm entitled to my opinion and you to yours.
Heyyy heyy, lets not forget this...



LOLS

OMG! That is PAINFUL!!! LOL!!!
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Liz<3Days
Feb 16 2012, 10:41 AM
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Feb 16 2012, 10:35 AM
Liz<3Days
Feb 16 2012, 10:31 AM
I actually liked Princess Gina and Father John and how they hid their love from Steffy. But that was FATHER JOHN and GINA...here, they're trying to tell us that there's going to be lingering feelings from something that happened over 15 years old. Not only that, the people who had feelings for each other dont really exist.


That's the part they're seriously leaving out.

Father John/Jawn didn't actually exist. Physically, his body did, but his mind was created by Stefano. John won over that when he managed to be his own person with no influence by Stefano, who fell in love with Marlena and had children, and a real family. Princess Gina was just cray-cray and Stefano's little helper. The cray-cray and Father John got it on after a heist, yes, but that doesn't equal John and Hope physically having had feelings for each other. EVER.
It would be more believable if they get to the island and they are drugged and brainwashed. They dont know it, but we get to see the procedure. We dont even know its Steffy either...it could be Ian or someone else? Then John and Hope are left there to figure out why they have this attraction and maybe be put in situations where those feelings are tested.

Bo and Marlena are finally able to go to get their perspective spouses, but they dont realize that something's been done to them.

Now I can believe that then John and Hope (sans brainwashing) "bump" into each other and POOF insta-feelings emerge.
Nope, I don't even want that. I'm over John and Hope being brainwashed. Bad memories. I want Stefano to have this perfect plan that eventually doesn't work simply because Bo knows Hope's body and Marlena knows John's body, and their love for them is more powerful than his plan.

I want them to get there, and they're both killed when the plane crashes. Except that when Bo and Marlena are brought in to identify their bodies, it looks like their spouses, but they sit down and they turn to each other and both say "That's not Hope", and "That's not John". They realize that was Stefano's plan, and John and Hope are in serious danger. They get on a plane, then use a boat to get into the country illegally, and decide to save their loved ones.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

This is just plain STUPID. I was one of the ones that was keeping an open mind simply so that the KA, PR, and the DH's would have a front burner story, but this is really dumb.
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OldDaysFankat
Feb 16 2012, 10:45 AM
Days problem continues to rely on nostalgia and to tell predictable one dimensional stories and to make every couple on this show utter predictable.Evert story since the reboot has been dull and predictable other than Will's and I fear we are headed to after school special territory with that story.I am down to watching 1 day a week even during sweeps which despite the Carrie/Sami moments has been dull.
The show lacks courage.

JER, like him, love him, or hate him....had the gonads to write something that is risky. Marlena floated above her bed for Christ' sake. Look at what happened to Sami! Up to that time, Days had not made a legacy character turn bitch since Julie. Making the show's leading Heroine's daughter a total Bitch was outside the box. It was a risky move after the good vs. evil, supercouple driven 1980's.

Even the 1980's had risky moments. Child abuse and marital rape brought viewers to dark places before good ulitimnately won the battle over evil.

Sooooo, You are 110% correct. With the exception of Will, and MAYBE Jack's PTSD story, the show has been predictable as hell. Take the John story

1) John's arrested

2) Town turns on John

3) The "good" characters support him....but the "bad" ones wonder about his innocence

4) Evidence mounts against him

5) The Dimeras are revealed to have planned it all

6) John goes to jail

7) Heros (cafe) save the day and find proof of innocence

8) John and Marlena have a Christmas Miracle and make love to celebrate Jesus' birth

9) Now Cafe has bonded......

Blah, Blah, Blah....and now we have this, and it's going to play out like a typical boring story.

No one will buy Jope, so what's the point of it all? It will end with fan outcry and a big 4 reunion. Why should anyone care? God knows Jope is a bad, bad idea, but something needs to happen that is life altering to shake it up. It doesn't have to be a triangle! How about illness? How about Marlena having a crazed, lunatic patient like Stella? Why not have Bo get shot and have to go into hiding to protect his family, leaving Hope alone and vurnerable? Why not have John be the one in trouble (no financial issue, lol...REAL trouble...ala Maison Blanche...) and Marlena has to figure out how to save HIM.

All of those mentioned are typical, but if you throw the right twist, it can become entertaining and unpredictable. Just give us a story where we aren't force fed a chemistry deprived pairing. Otherwise, the show, in it's current position, maye be doomed.
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Seriously, Mardar. Seriously. Another, I tripped and fell into his arms/lap plot device?

Didn't we just see this happen with Sami and Austin and somewhat with Carrie and Rafe? Isn't this exactly what they just did with Carrie and Rafe? Two people deeply in love with their spouses that didn't feel anything for another, all of a sudden are forced into situations where they are alone and start having these looks, etc. It's all another contrived plot point that's unbelievable.
Now we are going to have John and Hope alone in Alamania, with Bo and Marlena at home conjuring up all sorts of scenes in their minds which may or may not happen. Are these writers out to do to John's and Hope's characters exactly what they have done to Rafe's?

There are so many storylines that John and Hope could have on Days. Too bad that they chose to go this route.
Hope tptb don't scratch their heads too long trying to figure out why the ratings are bad. This storyline is a great example.
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I swear, I read all of this and think that Stefano is just mind-fucking them for fun. Everything is about how they know that Stefano is involved so there must be more going on and they are looking for a trap around every corner. Stefano doesn't even have to do anything because these 4 are so paranoid they do it all for him. Not that I don't understand why they are paranoid, but at some point the paranoia itself takes over and runs things.

In fact, it's kind of like some of the reactions around here. MarDar don't actually have to do anything more to keep people properly freaked out about the storyline. They just use fans own paranoia (coming from years of abusive writers) against them. If it wasn't so enraging, it would be kind of hilarious.
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