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Tuesday, February 21st Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 20 2012, 02:54 PM (16,129 Views)
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Tuesday, February 21st

Jen is on phone talking to reporters about Abe not tampering with the ballots

jack sneaks up behind her
scares her
she says the phone has been ringing since the sun came up
she is in damage control
he wants to talk to her about something more important

Carrie and Austin in the hotel room
he came back from a run
she is busy with the john and Hope stuff
he complains she didnt come to bed last night, he thinks she has been avoiding him

jen says abes reputation is on the line he may be facing criminal charges what is more important than that right now
Abigail comes in
he says the 3 of us need to talk

sami is home
marlena comes to her door
she is surprised to see her
thought she was going out of town
marlena says we have a few things to take care of
sami finally invites her in
marlena says she came to see the kids
sami says they are in school
marlena says she should have called
sami says that would be nice
marlena says i want to talk to you too
rafe comes in
he says sorry i didnt knock, keep forgetting i dont live here anymore

jen tells abi to sit
down she matters the most
phone rings jen ignores it , says this is family time, reporters can wait
abi wants her to know that she hates fighting
jen says i hate fighting too
missed you
abi says i miss you too
i know you dont like me modelling but you dont have to worry
jen thinks she turned it down
abi says dont worry melanie and i made up she will be there to look out for me
im taking this job whether you like it or not
jen says not i dont like it
jack says we came here to make peace
jennifer i know you are trying to understand where abi is coming from
jack wants them to keep talking

Austin says i know you are working hard to help john Marlena , Hope and Bo
she says they are family and i will do anything for family
he says its always one thing after another in salem
she says i need to help them
he says i need you too
i cant fix this marriage on my own
stop avoiding me and lets make an effort like we promised
she says thats a promise i intend to keep
he says life here can be distracting
she hugs him
he says i think we should move back to Zurich
only place where we only have us to worry about
thinks its best for us
she says no i want to stay in salem

sami says what are you doing here
he says i was hoping i could see the kids and take them to school
she says they are already at school
he says maybe tomorrow
she says if you show up early enough
marlena is listening
he says i heard about the divorce thing with bo and hope
if i can do anything i can to help let me know
she thanks him
he says see you tomorrow
marlena says wait a minute dont go
you and sami should talk

jack says now jen what is it about the modelling job you are so against
jen says abi i think you are beautiful that is an industry that makes young women feel like they need to be perfect
i want you to be happy it would be great if you stayed in school
write for college newspaper
same experience i was lucky to have
abi says everything you said is very valid but you want me to go to college you were working a real job in college you were writing
who do i take after
jen says no one asked me to be a model
abi says i know you love me and wants whats best for me but im
not a little kid anymore
you have to trust me and step back and let me go and trust that ill make the right decisions
i had amazing parents to show me the way
jen says when did my little girl become so mature and responsible
seems like you were just brought home form the hospital
jack says the cabin
jen says and now look at you
abi says so we are ok
jen says i love you so much if this modelling things is what you need to be doing
im behind you
but if anything goes wrong call me
just want to take care of you
they hug
she leaves for class
agrees to have dinner with both her parents
jen tells jack abi is amazing
you did a great thing here
he says someone had to do something
she says sometimes i wonder what we did without you

sami says i cant believe this is happening
mar says you need to talk to rafe he is your husband
sami says this is between rafe and me you need to stay out of our business
mar says i want to help
sami says you are doing what you always do
ignore me for years at a time and you think you can swoop in and save the day well
i dont need your help
i dont want your help
i dont want you to save me from myself
mar says rafe loves you ,never seen you happier , you love him too,he loves you for who you are
and you said to me he is a man i wanted my whole life
(smug rafe face )
i dont know what happened but you cant fix it if you dont talk
sami says i would like for you to get out of here now
mar says im not going anywhere

carrie says i thought about Zurich
then thought about something marlena said
we cant run away from our problems no matter where we go the problems will follow us
i want to stay here where we have family and friends
we will work on our marriage together
build the life we talked about
he says it doesnt matter where ever you are, is where i want to be
i dont care as long as i have you im happy
we stay on one condition
you let me take you on the that romantic getaway
she says she can handle that
its a deal
he goes to get a shower

rafe says calm down
last thing i want is the 2 of you to fight
marlena thank you but im the one who messed things up im the one who kissed carrie and broke our vows i have to make things right
he says to sami i love you and im not gong to stop until i make things right with you and our family
ill call you tomorrow before i pick up kids
tells marlena good luck with everything he leaves
sami says alright lets hear your speech, you are dying to blame me for everything, tell me its all my fault get it over with
its my fault my marriage is falling apart
im to blame for all my problems with rafe
he kissed my sister how is that my fault
mar says i dont want to get into this with you
sami says you showed up here, we are gong to have it out right now

jack says you are glad im here
she says of course
what you did for abi and me
you have changed
its a good thing
you are who you are the same smart funny man i fell in love with
you are still those same things
at the same time you have become the man i knew you always could be

carrie shows up at the office
rafe is there , says he is packing up some things
she says ill come back when you
are finished
he says dont go

Austin is at his desk
abi comes in
she got his message
he says we are both adults
give it to you straight
she says i know what you are going to say

jack says are you seeing what you want to see
i really havent changed same old jerk, jack i have always been
im still the same old jerk
she says yeah you are still you
but the old jack wouldnt have charged in here like you did today
abi and i would have fought for weeks, i would have had to make the effort and fix it but i
felt like i was part of a team
like i had a partner to look out for me
he says it only took me a couple of decades to get here
she says it doesnt matter how long it takes , it matters that you are here and you care enough about our family to try , you are an amazing man jack
doesnt matter how many years of ups and downs it took us to get here
i wouldnt change anything

carrie doesnt want to stay
he says we kissed and there is nothing we can do
about it now ,i promise to keep my lips to myself as long as you can do the same
she laughs and says i have a lot of work to do
where have you been
he says library,its quiet there
she says its hot here
takes her jacket off
cant wait till the lease is up on this hell hole
he says we had some good times here
she says you paid rent, this is as much yours as it is mine
he says should i come back and work here
she says if you want to
he says ok
i dont like the library

marlena says is it a showdown
and laughs do i get my duelling sword
sami says you wanted to talk lets talk
Mar says you dont want to talk you want to take it out on somebody and thats me
sami says why do you do this
you always make me out to be the bad guy
mar says history has shown that to be the case
sami says if that is true mommie dearest i learned it from the best you taught me first hand how to tear a marriage apart
you cheated on daddy walked out on our family
im the one who witnessed it at 15 years old , i had to see that
and you didnt try to save your marriage you walked out on him went with john , started a new a family and left us all behind and never looked back
mar says your father moved on
why cant you do the same thing
sami says i bet that would be nice to forget it ever happened
you wouldnt have to face what you did
Mar says i faced my demons
Sami says literally
mar says cute what about you
sami says im looking at them
mar says i dont think so , try looking in the mirror
i will no longer let what happened between john and me be an excuse for your selfish, thoughtless, irresponsible behaviour
its about time you grew up



jen says you are so quiet
he says i dont do compliments well
she says when you came back you could have let the whole situation destroy you and you didnt
and all you wanted was for me
to be here for you and i wasnt, im so sorry
he says its what got me through
she says you weer strong and you stayed strong
seeing this change in you, seeing the effort you made for our children and me , it makes me realize how much you mean to me
i love you


rafe says so i heard you were helping john and hope with the divorce
she says im doing what i can but it has been one road block after another
he says i have an old buddy in the FBI in D.C. i will call him and see if he can pull some strings for you
we are still partners even though we arent working together still got your back

Austin says what happened between us was a mistake , i was drunk, i was upset and i took advantage
im sorry,
i love my wife
you are a wonderful girl but i love her not you
so sorry if i wasnt clear
sorry i let things get out of hand im being clear now
there can never be anything between us
you are stuck with me for the rest of this semester and
i will make it as easy as possible
ill schedule your hours when im not around
next semester i will find you any job on campus that you want
she says what will you tell them
im a hard working young eager student or tell them im an easy lay

he says i know you are hurt
she says you lead me to believe your marriage was over
so you could get into my pants
everything you ever told me has been a lie

Sami says tell me how you really feel
Mar says it may sound harsh but its the truth and its time you heard it
sami says i dont have to listen to this ,i dont owe you anything
Mar says no you dont but you owe your children something
Sami says so now you think im a bad parent
Mar says its time for you to stop being so selfish, time to take responsibility for your own actions , i know you have
gone thru hell to protect your children , but
rafe loves them and they love him if you hurt him you will be hurting them too
sami says what do i do let it go and accept the fact he has feelings for Carrie , let it go that he cheated on me
is it not possible for you to ever take my side
Mar says im not taking sides
Sami says at least i dont lie to my children
Mar says really
i would like you to take a long hard look at yourself and tell me if you like what you see

rafe tells carrie he couldnt help her but he will
keep bugging his friend
at the fbi
he gets up to go
she says are you leaving already

Sami says you are a hypocrite
you look in the mirror and tell me if you like what you see
Mar says i have many times
and if i could take back what happened i would do it , if i could take back causing you that much pain , i would do it in a moment
but i cant
all you have been thru doesnt give you the right to hurt the people who love you esp. Rafe
he made a mistake, he regrets it and he loves you more than the world but you are so
filled with self pity and rage that you cant see the best thing that ever happened to you is about to walk out that door
Sami says you let daddy walk out that door
Mar says every mistake that i have made in my life are the same mistakes you are making right now

jack says you and the kids mean the the world to me
these last few months made me look at our relationship and my role as a father in a whole new light
she says i can see the changes in you
he says i want to be better
she says you are perfect , i want you back, i want us to be a family again
she hugs him
he says i dont know what to say
she says i thought you felt the same way thought you wanted the same thing
he says i want you more than anything but i have changed its helped me to see our relationship and the patterns
every time you open your heart to me and every time i turn around and i break it without question without fail
Jen says this time you wouldnt hurt me
he says i wouldnt want to but i will
im through being selfish, i wont put you through this again
its better that we are separated you will see trust me
she says i cant believe this really jack
he says im not doing this because i dont love you im doing this because i do
he kisses her
and runs out
she yells after him to wait

Abi says i hope you are not breaking my heart for nothing ,if you really want to fix things with Carrie you have to tell her everything about you and me and us and the affair
he says it was one night
she says so that makes it right
he says no
she says ok we will tell carrie today

rafe says maybe sharing this office isnt a good idea
she says we can make it work
he says we dont want sami and Austin seeing us together
getting the wrong idea
she says we will come up with a schedule
ill work the first couple of hours and you work the next
he says ill come back for my stuff later
he leaves

Sami says im nothing like you, i would never do to my family what you did
Mar says look what you are doing to Will, dont you see it?
what he is going through right now, dont you recognize it ,the rage the rebellion the lies
it is exactly what you went through and if you werent so selfish you would see that yourself
sami says you know something dont you
Mar says it doesnt matter what i know
what matters is that you fix it
Sami says fix what
Mar says its not my place to say
Sami says tell me what you know and you tell me right now
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Go Marlena! Give it to "The Beast"!
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Marlena to Sami, i will no longer let what happened between john and me be an excuse for your selfish, thoughtless, irresponsible behaviour its about time you grew up


QUOTED FOR TRUTH! :hail:
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Didn't like the line about Marlena walking out the door and not trying to save her marriage. That's absolutely not what happened - she tried many times, and ROMAN was the one who left and told her "no".

The scenes sound good - we'll have to see if Ms. Sweeney just screams in Deidre's face or actually brings something to the scenes.

Thanks Skye!
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

Oh man...the Marlena/Sami show down sounds great!

Thanks for the write up, Skye! :)
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mar says i dont think so , try looking in the mirror i will no longer let what happened between john and me be an excuse for your selfish, thoughtless, irresponsible behaviour its about time you grew up :applause:
ITS ABOUT FREAKIN' TIME! Now if only this convo included a bitch slap from Marlena, the scene would be perfect. :lol:
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Now this sounds like a good show! Especially the Jack/Jennifer and Marlena/Sami stuff. Can't wait!
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Ellie
Feb 20 2012, 03:03 PM
Didn't like the line about Marlena walking out the door and not trying to save her marriage. That's absolutely not what happened - she tried many times, and ROMAN was the one who left and told her "no".

The scenes sound good - we'll have to see if Ms. Sweeney just screams in Deidre's face or actually brings something to the scenes.

Thanks Skye!


ICAM!
Edited by AFaithL, Feb 20 2012, 03:26 PM.
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Skye
Feb 20 2012, 02:54 PM
mar says i dont think so , try looking in the mirror
i will no longer let what happened between john and me be an excuse for your selfish, thoughtless, irresponsible behaviour
its about time you grew up
This needs to be engraved over a marble plaque and placed in Sami's door.

Preeeeeach it, Marlena!!!! :whee: :whee:
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Aldo
Feb 20 2012, 03:10 PM
Skye
Feb 20 2012, 02:54 PM
mar says i dont think so , try looking in the mirror
i will no longer let what happened between john and me be an excuse for your selfish, thoughtless, irresponsible behaviour
its about time you grew up
This needs to be engraved over a marble plaque and placed in Sami's door.

Preeeeeach it, Marlena!!!! :whee: :whee:
ICAM! I'm beyond sick of Sami using Jarlena's affair as an excuse for her nasty behavior. I got it when she was a teenager, but now she's a 35(?) year old grown ass woman. LET. IT. GO. I'm glad Marlena said that to her and I cannot wait to see these scenes.
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You aren't the selfish one Jack :shame:
Edited by LanaluvsBroe, Feb 20 2012, 03:25 PM.
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Hmm. Too bad this obviously rewritten J/J scene was done so hastily there isnīt any article about this pretty big movement. I would love to hear Missy to comment on that. Of course, it proves once again MarDar have absolutely no idea what these characters and show is supposed to be about and are just collecting ideas from internet. This sounds and feel like a complet fanfiction in no relation to whatīs been going on so far.

I honestly donīt know what is worse. Hacks like Langan or Higley who seemed to getting off on sticking it to fans left and right or MarDar who are probably trying their best to write the best show possible but are just that incompetent.
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Ellie
Feb 20 2012, 03:03 PM
Didn't like the line about Marlena walking out the door and not trying to save her marriage. That's absolutely not what happened - she tried many times, and ROMAN was the one who left and told her "no".

The scenes sound good - we'll have to see if Ms. Sweeney just screams in Deidre's face or actually brings something to the scenes.

Thanks Skye!
(She didn't just try and try to fix it, she literally fell to her knees and begged. She did everything he asked except give him Belle. He just left. He left Sami too, while she was going through things, which Sami, of course, doesn't blame Roman for. And then Marlena was celibate for three years after Roman left. Just... in case we wanna care about factoids for little Samantha.)

PREACH IT, MARLENA! PREACH! :rockon: I love that Marlena stands up for herself and for John, and finally tells Sami to grow the hell up.

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sami says why do you do this
you always make me out to be the bad guy
mar says history has shown that to be the case


sami says im looking at them
mar says i dont think so , try looking in the mirror


Oooo, BURN!

At least John and Marlena loved each other, and took responsibility for it. Marlena even let Sami blackmail her using their love for her family.
Edited by The Room Stops, Feb 20 2012, 03:34 PM.
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The Jack and Jennifer scenes sound good. I'm looking forward to watching them! I just wish that Jack would have continued with his analysis of "the pattern." Yes, Jack messes up a lot and he hurts Jennifer, but HER contribution in the pattern is to lose faith and jump into bed with the closest man in order to punish Jack. THAT part of the pattern still needs to be addressed.

I'm happy that Jack rejected Jennifer. I just wish it wasn't out of such a one-sided sense of guilt. Jennifer still needs to be called out for her own failings.
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Thanks for posting!

As a non-fan of Sami, I'm glad she got told off, and that Marlena is through letting herself be guilt-tripped over something that happened so long ago and with which everyone but Sami has come to terms.

It sounds like Abigail is really believing her own delusions now. Scary stuff.

Once again, Jack comes through for his girls. I'm taken aback, though, by his continuing readiness to take all the blame for the problems in his and Jennifer's relationship. I wonder if he's afraid to admit that he does feel anger and disappointment towards Jennifer--maybe he thinks he had no right to feel those things, so he insists that everything is his fault, instead of letting Jennifer take her share of the responsibility. It's in character, but frustrating. He really does need to hold her to account for her choices, or, at the very least, admit that she's hurt him as much, if not more, than he's hurt her.

As for Jennifer . . . hoo boy, still a long ways to go with her. I will say that this dialogue does not make her sound as if she considers Jack a consolation prize or that she only wants him because Daniel isn't around. And at least she's realized that she wasn't there for Jack when he needed her most and that she let him down. But she's still sorely in need of self-reflection. Jack has gone through a painful and prolonged period of growth--he's been evolving for the last 20 years. Jennifer seems to be stuck somewhere in late adolescence, with her unrealistic expectations and demands. Not so long ago Jack couldn't do anything right in her eyes, and now all of the sudden he's "perfect" and will never hurt her? No wonder he's backing away--how could he possibly live up to that?

Jennifer needs to develop a more realistic view of not just Jack but herself, and of relationships in general. If she doesn't, she'll fall back into her own destructive pattern of looking around for someone new and shiny instead of fixing the relationship she's actually in.

Still, the stage is set for Jennifer to pursue Jack again, which was always a more interesting dynamic than Jack having to compete for her fickle favors with her latest Rebound Guy. After almost 20 years of that, it's high time for a change.
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Feb 20 2012, 03:30 PM
I honestly donīt know what is worse. Hacks like Langan or Higley who seemed to getting off on sticking it to fans left and right or MarDar who are probably trying their best to write the best show possible but are just that incompetent.
I don't think Marlene and Darrell are as bad as you think they are, but in either case, the Langan/Higley approach is FAR worse imo. They didn't just get off on sticking it to fans, they got off on sticking it to actors too (Nighttime Hope). The whole show had this dirty, retaliatory feeling to it. I do see your point about Marlene and Darrell taking input from the internet, but I mean, would you rather (as an online fan) be able to give input, or would you rather have the writers trying to do the opposite of what you want?
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What The Hell sense when has Sami known Rafe all her life she hasn't known him all her life and it sounds like the person thats being talked about that shes known most of her life that Marlena is talking about is Lucas not Rafe and this whole conversation between them doesn't make a bit of sense and Rafe has not known Sami most of her life and Sami wasn't cruising on Rafe most of her life that would be Austin who she was cruising on and the person Sami has known most of her life is Lucas for her and Lucas came on the scene together in 1993 and Rafe didn't even exsist not untill 2009 at least and Sami has known Lucas not Rafe most of her life and who Marlena is talking about is Lucas and not Rafe and Sami didn't know Rafe at all back in 1993 but did know Lucas since then so this whole conversation is a What The Hell Conversation in itself and things keep getting weirder and weirder and weirder like this is all one big dream or nightmare and that someone will be waking up soon from it and something tells me some of these people don't even exsist and that Rafe is one of those persons that don't exsist and never did and perhaps others don't exsist as well.

From this conversation alone their is definately a lot of What the Hell moments going on in this conversation between Sami and Marlena for Sami has not know Rafe all her life and who Marlena is talking about about who Sami loves and has always loved is Lucas so again I hope this is a clue that somethingelse is going on here and that a lot of whats being said doesn't add up at all for Sami has known Lucas most her life and not Rafe and Rafe only came on the scene in 2009 and wasn't here before that but Lucas was.
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The J/J scene is clearly MarDar's reaction to the fan reaction to the Jack/Jen/Daniel triangle. And I can appreciate that they realized they screwed up and decided to try and fix it. The problem is that they went for the quick fix. We should have scene Jennifer realizing her feelings for Jack again more gradually. Then this big moment with Abby might have made some kind of sense.

But as it is, it comes out of the blue and just makes Jennifer look fickle. Jack's running away because he doesn't want to hurt her again at least feels more like the Jack I know, but it makes all of his "I've changed" sound a bit hollow.

That said, if having recognized their mistake, they make up for it even more with the next part of the story then it's probably worth the 180 degree chance in direction. And if the next part of the story involves Jen looking at her own mistakes and Jack realizing that part of why he ran away is that he's afraid of being hurt again, then I might just send MarDar flowers. But I'm not holding my breath.
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Feb 20 2012, 03:46 PM
What The Hell sense when has Sami known Rafe all her life she hasn't known him all her life and it sounds like the person thats being talked about that shes known most of her life that Marlena is talking about is Lucas not Rafe and this whole conversation between them doesn't make a bit of sense and Rafe has not known Sami most of her life and Sami wasn't cruising on Rafe most of her life that would be Austin who she was cruising on and the person Sami has known most of her life is Lucas for her and Lucas came on the scene together in 1993 and Rafe didn't even exsist not untill 2009 at least and Sami has known Lucas not Rafe most of her life and who Marlena is talking about is Lucas and not Rafe and Sami didn't know Rafe at all back in 1993 but did know Lucas since then so this whole conversation is a What The Hell Conversation in itself and things keep getting weirder and weirder and weirder like this is all one big dream or nightmare and that someone will be waking up soon from it and something tells me some of these people don't even exsist and that Rafe is one of those persons that don't exsist and never did and perhaps others don't exsist as well.

From this conversation alone their is definately a lot of What the Hell moments going on in this conversation between Sami and Marlena for Sami has not know Rafe all her life and who Marlena is talking about about who Sami loves and has always loved is Lucas so again I hope this is a clue that somethingelse is going on here and that a lot of whats being said doesn't add up at all for Sami has known Lucas most her life and not Rafe and Rafe only came on the scene in 2009 and wasn't here before that but Lucas was.
Um, she says "Has wanted my whole life", not "known".
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Feb 20 2012, 03:25 PM
You aren't the selfish one Jack :shame:
Being around Marlena has done wonders for Jack. Stand up for yourself, Jack m'boy! Go hang around your new BFF, maybe she'll help you see that you should help Jennifer see that she's sometimes coming off as more a sanctimonious bitch than an actual goody-two-shoes.
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