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SOD: Days First Gay Kiss Sparks Controversy; 3/20 Issue
Topic Started: Mar 8 2012, 05:02 PM (6,566 Views)
jenesais



One's sexuality IS NOT A CHOICE!!! Damn it! WHO still believes that? And do not TELL me "Christianity FORBIDS homosexuality". It does not. The author of that religion hung out with the dregs of society and said the most important thing in ANY religion or moral ethos: "LOVE ONE ANOTHER".
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To be honest, both kinds of bashing or judgement bug me: the ones judging homosexuality and the ones judging Christianity, but I can see why those who judge Christianity do why they do. They are feeling attacked, and frankly...the image of Christianity seen is NOT the life Jesus portrayed. I prefer to look at Saint Teresa as an example of true Christianity. So, if anyone has a sour taste in their mouths about Christianity because of what some espouse and condemn, that's the religion, NOT the Man. And, actually, Jesus wasn't a Christian. He was a Jew. His followers begat Christianity. A lot of harm has been done in the name of Christianity, but a lot of good has, too. I think it was Ghandi who said, "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."
Am I judging now? Yeah, probably. And, to be honest, seeing two men kiss is something I'm not quite used to, but I attribute that to my small-town upbringing. I am willing to keep an open mind and overcome this.
MUCH more disgusted at Rush Limbaugh than anything else. ;) And, I should keep politics out of this, LOL.
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Mar 9 2012, 11:49 PM
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As a matter of fact, I am far from racist.
I didn't say you were.
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I am marrying a black guy in the spring.
Congratulations. At least it'll be legal for you, LoL.
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I don't hate gays, I just don't like homosexuality.
Please forgive the bluntness of this question, but why not? It's not hurting you. If someone were to rob you -- an obvious sin -- if would affect your life in a direct way. Murder -- same thing. Taking issue with those things makes sense because they directly affect people in a negative way, but homosexuality? It doesn't affect anyone except the consenting adults who engage in it. Why waste your energy disliking something that has no impact on your life when you when you know God will take care of it in the end anyway? Why not let it be his burden? Or are you that much of a believer in "love the sinner, hate the sin?"
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I have a lot of gay friends and I love them to death, they know how I feel about their lifestyle...There is a difference between the person and their lifestyle.
Wait a minute. What's this "lifestyle" you speak of?

I might be gay, but I'm not an alien. For all our differences, we're probably much more alike than any of us realize, so to suggest that gays live their lives differently just because of who they're attracted to seems like a bizarre generalization to me. But who knows. I've never been straight so I'm not able to make the comparison.
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Homosexuality is a very complicated issue and it's one that gets debated a lot. It's really a no win situation when it gets discussed, everyone has their own feelings...
See, here's what I don't understand.

Someone says something about black people, it's unacceptable. Someone says something about Jewish people, it's unacceptable. Someone says something about Asian people, it's unacceptable. Yet, let someone say something about gay people and suddenly we're supposed to "be open to another point of view." Why is that? Gay people are humans with feelings just like everyone else. Where's the consideration? Why is there zero tolerance for racism and such, but when it comes to negative talk of homosexuality, it's open for debate? Why is that? Is it because of the Bible? The Bible speaks ill of homosexuality, but it speaks ill of lots of things that aren't adhered to in today's society, so I'm not sure why that particular issue is a sticking point for so many people while everything else falls to the wayside.
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Taelyn
Mar 11 2012, 06:38 PM
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Mar 10 2012, 07:43 AM
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Mar 10 2012, 02:12 AM
LuvingLumi
Mar 8 2012, 05:02 PM
SOD: Days First Gay Kiss Sparks Controversy

Will's first gay kiss on February 23 has generated a passionate response from Days of Our Lives viewers, who are divided in their opinion.

"Been a longtime viewer of Days for over 50 [years]....the day [two] men kissed could be my last episode. I realize that in today's times people think that it is all right, but [it's] pretty sickening to me," D.S emailed Digest.

In sharp contrast, M.R. wrote to us saying, "I have never been so proud of the show as I was when I watched Will's first kiss with another guy. That was the most intense and real depiction I have seen for a 'first kiss' on daytime between two guys. Thank you, DAYS, for showing how it is and for not watering it down. Will has tried to hide himself away for his entire life. I am so glad he finally acted on his true feelings and I cannot wait to continue watching him come to terms with being gay. Chandler Massey [Will] has been amazing with this story thus far!"

The show is also getting feedback from fans. Co-Head Writer Marlene McPherson tells Digest, "We are hearing [from] fans that they could relate to what Will is going through and they are glad we are taking a chance to portray something in such a realistic way."

Deidre Hall (Marlena) adds, "With the possible exception of the 'possession' storyline, I have never been so besieged by fans as I was this weekend wanting to talk about the Friday show and Will's confession about kissing a man. We had shot the scenes so long ago I had forgotten that I literally held my breath as Chandler played the scene. I was stopped by fans, actors, and even a photographer who wanted to tell me he wept during the scenes. I wrote a thank you to the fans for supporting the storyline on my Facebook page. Over 200 posts talked about what the Friday scenes meant to them. Well done, everyone!"

Credit: http://secondchanceslumi.com/topic/6692371/1/
Im actually am enjoying the story more than I thought. And I think Chandler is doing an awesome job. But I also think DOOL needs to tread carefully. And heed The more conservative without shutting out the more progressive. This story CAN be told without focusing too much on the extreme. That kiss was pretty extreme for a first kiss, kinda rough and raunchy... If RThe cute guy had pulled him into a slow brief tenative kiss, then Will pushed him away .. but cant get it out of his mind I think it would have been more realistic.. For Will ..And Some times Less IS more, I mean.. Look at Sonny. He is doing a fabulous job as well, and he isnt throwing himself at any man, Because Gay or Straight we are not ALL about SEX. This story can be done tastefully, and still show the love that can form between any 2 people, but more important than any relationship is the awakening of feelings and confusion about his identity.. I hope Days take into consideration ALL the Audiences opinions, And whats important about this story, Its the Human aspect.. Not the SHOCK factor.


It was not rough and raunchy. It was real and I am glad it wasn't made into some cheap second flash-by where if you blinked you missed it. It was about a young guy that was finally trying to be who he has wanted to be for a long time. If it was a straight person having a kiss like that (which happens all of the time) there would be no question about it. I am so tired of the double standards regarding seeing gay on tv. It is 2012 where now more than the majority of people in this country believe in gay marriage. I for once hope DOOL continues to tell it how it is or I will consider this story a complete cop out. I think they are treating Sonny like a freakin monk right now. We should be seeing him at least gong on dates with other guys and acting like a young good looking and intelligent guy would be acting like on tv, regardless of sexual orientation. If Sonny were straight we wold have seen him with a bunch of different chicks by now. I think it's insulting how they are portraying Sonny right now. That being said, they have taken such a long time to build Will's coming out. I hope we get to see Will and (hopefully Sonny with him) show what it is to be a gay couple...acting like a real couple...holding hands, kissing, dating, etc and they get a love scene at least comparable to Kish on OLTL. With Wilson they could actually show what a respectful relationship is about with two people that love each other and act on that love(without completely watering it down ) vs. most other couples on this show that are lucky to be with each other two seconds before they having skanky porn sex with somebody other than their significant other.
Well That ok, Opinions vary.. For me its not about Staight or Gay.. I just think its was a bit much for a first kiss.. And while yes Will has kissed before.. As a Gay Man he is a virgin, and usually first kisses are more tenative. But thats just my opinion.
The fact that he was drunk,and clumsy And pulled the blonde guy in for the kiss hard and fast seemed forced and over the top for me.. I would have no problem with heavy passion later after he is more comfortable with who he is though. And Im definately fine with holding hands and public affection, as much as Id be with any straight couple.Im enjoying the emotional struggle and awareness he is dealing with, to me that is the meat of the story

I do agree that Sonny should be dating, He should be setting the stage for Will
I disagree...Given what Will was going through at the time, I think the "intensity" of this kiss was far more realistic than if he had given the kid a shy peck. I interpreted it as a release of feelings that had been building up for essentially his whole life finally just exploding in a sort of to Hell with it, I'm going all out kind of moment. And I love that. I think intensity=drama and that's what this show needs. I think the fact that it was just a quick fot of passion and not an emotional situation made it work. If he were actually in love with the guy then I'd expect their first kiss to be a little more timid.

I do agree with others here who said Sonny should be dating tho. I like that Sonny checks guys out whenever they hang out but it would be nice if we got to actually see him with someone instead of talking about it.
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Kenny
Mar 11 2012, 06:58 PM
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Mar 11 2012, 04:43 PM
If you want to talk about ignorance and intollerance, the constant attacks on Christians and the Christian faith I run across here that's tolerated is rediculous. Apparentyly here, saying you don't care for two men kissing is reason to mock and attack posters (which I thought was against the rules) by calling them ignorant and hatemongers. But those same people who are so easy to label someone else as hateful don't mind being just as closed-minded and hateful to people they don't understand.
See, it's all about decency.

Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you have to share it -- especially if it's likely to hurt/upset/offend someone -- and if you do share it, expect that you're going to be met with less than savory feedback. That's just the way it is. You can't say something to offend an entire group of people and then cry foul when they dare to challenge your beliefs.

Thankfully, there have been no personal attacks in this thread... just lots of generalizations.

My personal opinion? Christianity is a choice. Homosexuality isn't.

Religious beliefs shouldn't trump human decency.
Cheers. I could go on a tirade about how anti-religion I am...but I don't care to open up that can of worms nor do I feel it necessary to do so. So I won't. I really love your responses here kenny. You are pretty much putting into words exactly how I feel. And doing so without bein g an asshole which I can't say that I would be able to do lol

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I think the debate on this board has been very respectful and hasn't resorted to name calling or personal attacks - on either side.

My feeling is people are free to say whatever they want and believe whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt someone else. The problem with the Christian side is that it doesn't stop with speech. They have groups within that exist solely to make life difficult for gay people - from banning gay marriage, preventing gays from adopting, trying to keep it okay for them to get fired from their jobs, just to name a few. Basically, preventing them from living a normal life. Just this past week a gay teacher got fired for getting married, not to mention the young girl who committed suicide due to bullying over being gay. That's a direct consequence of religious influence. They are trying to control other people lives based on their religion - one that not everyone believes in. The worst the gay groups are doing to the religious groups is saying "please don't say mean things to us". Everyone should be able to live their own life the way they want, without someone else interfering. So maybe if the religious groups stopped their crusade against gays, the gays wouldn't feel the need to speak out against religious bullying.
Edited by WGuyMd35, Mar 12 2012, 09:09 AM.
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Religions start wars. Homosexuality doesn't.
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WGuyMd35
Mar 12 2012, 08:57 AM
I think the debate on this board has been very respectful and hasn't resorted to name calling or personal attacks - on either side.

My feeling is people are free to say whatever they want and believe whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt someone else. The problem with the Christian side is that it doesn't stop with speech. They have groups within that exist solely to make life difficult for gay people - from banning gay marriage, preventing gays from adopting, trying to keep it okay for them to get fired from their jobs, just to name a few. Basically, preventing them from living a normal life. Just this past week a gay teacher got fired for getting married, not to mention the young girl who committed suicide due to bullying over being gay. That's a direct consequence of religious influence. They are trying to control other people lives based on their religion - one that not everyone believes in. The worst the gay groups are doing to the religious groups is saying "please don't say mean things to us". Everyone should be able to live their own life the way they want, without someone else interfering. So maybe if the religious groups stopped their crusade against gays, the gays wouldn't feel the need to speak out against religious bullying.
Please don't lump all Christians in one pot. That would be like comparing all Muslims to the Talibad. I certainly don't belong to any hate groups and abhor them. I think this is why Christians feel bashed. Don't judge us based on the Westboro Baptist Church.
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Please don't lump all Christians in one pot. That would be like comparing all Muslims to the Talibad. I certainly don't belong to any hate groups and abhor them. I think this is why Christians feel bashed. Don't judge us based on the Westboro Baptist Church.


I wasn't lumping you or anyone in particular on this board into that group. I think its clear from the comments on this board that there are Christians here who are supportive of gays. What I said was "they have groups within that exist solely to make life difficult for gay people". And it's not just the Westboro Church. The Pope had anti-gay comments last week. The Mormon church bankrolled overturning gay marriage in California. Its groups like "Focus on the Family", "Million Moms", and all the other "protect marriage" groups that exist solely to attack gays. The common thread between them is they funded and supported by religious-extremeists.

So yes there may be a perceived guilt-by-association, but the same goes for some people thinking gays are all promiscuous rainbow-flag waving child molesters. It's the few bad apples that get all the attention and ruin it for everyone else.
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I understand that for some people, homosexuality is something they view as a sin and, therefore something they cannot support. I don't agree with that belief, but I do try to understand it and as long as that belief is not pursued as the law of the land, I can even tolerate it.

But, if you want to know why I think the way Days handles Will's coming out story is important and why I will fight tooth and nail against laws, policies, and other forms of sanctioned discrimination against people based on sexuality or gender identity, just read this article:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/one-towns-war-on-gay-teens-20120202?print=true

Abstract beliefs and philosphical discussions about sin and society are one thing. I can have a civil discourse with somebody who disagrees with me and it's all just kind of an intellectual exercise. But, for these kids, and others all over this country, it's not an intellectual exercise. It's hell. And that is when my tolerance disappears.

And to follow up the above story. The district just settled a lawsuit in which the district acknowledge it had failed these kids and is required to provide programs and policies to address and prevent harassment and bullying based on sexuality or gender identity.
Edited by esp13, Mar 12 2012, 10:52 AM.
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esp13
Mar 12 2012, 10:49 AM
I understand that for some people, homosexuality is something they view as a sin and, therefore something they cannot support. I don't agree with that belief, but I do try to understand it and as long as that belief is not pursued as the law of the land, I can even tolerate it.

But, if you want to know why I think the way Days handles Will's coming out story is important and why I will fight tooth and nail against laws, policies, and other forms of sanctioned discrimination against people based on sexuality or gender identity, just read this article:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/one-towns-war-on-gay-teens-20120202?print=true

Abstract beliefs and philosphical discussions about sin and society are one thing. I can have a civil discourse with somebody who disagrees with me and it's all just kind of an intellectual exercise. But, for these kids, and others all over this country, it's not an intellectual exercise. It's hell. And that is when my tolerance disappears.

And to follow up the above story. The district just settled a lawsuit in which the district acknowledge it had failed these kids and is required to provide programs and policies to address and prevent harassment and bullying based on sexuality or gender identity.
:hail: :hail: :hail:
I had a former student who committed suicide because of his depression about his homosexuality and how his family handled it (poorly). This means a lot to me. The kid had a great heart and so much to offer.
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SO sick of people with their narrow minded views. I respect that people have a right to their own opinion but there is a time and place and way to go about it. I think Will's storyline is the best on Days right now. Chandler is hitting his scenes right out the park. They guy is amazing! I also see no problem with having Will and Sonny become an official couple. All people deserve to be loved, and be with the people that make them feel alive. As long as they are of age and not cheating, its not hurting anyone. Sorry just had to say that. People's ignorance offends me. I will not and can not support Hate
Edited by daysfan20yrs, Mar 12 2012, 06:39 PM.
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I am not saying Christianity is a problem. I am saying people who use it as an EXCUSE infuriate me. I agree with a previous poster who said as a black man, in his opinion people have a right to say I don't approve of inter-racial kissing. I'll bet this poster would NOT agree with someone calling it a SIN and the kissers SINNERS for doing it. I can not get that "hate the sin, not the sinner" post out of my head. It's outrageous to claim one's reasons have to do with a Christian probibition. Show me where JC says homosexuality is a sin, and I will be wrong. But you can't.

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We're going to close the thread at this point. We don't want to discourage discussion of this topic, but where the posts are now crossing the line into breaking our rules, and the thread is no longer about the show or those scenes, it's time to close it. I'd like to thank most of you in the thread for the respectful way in which you've posted about this.
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