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Topic Started: Jun 4 2012, 07:38 PM (17,284 Views)
J&J4eva


Tomlin can go back to Dannifer and back burner all the vets I won't be watching. Regardless of his position within the creative team we know his style, we know his writing and I have no interest in his vision. I'II return to Days if Matt is rehired and the vets are written for. So I'll keep campaigning for those things whilst boycotting a show that has been written for those in charge, rather than it's fans, for too long and has lost it's vision and it's heart.
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Harcourt
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The idea of Dannifer 2.0 is galling to me, but I won't be sticking around to watch it. And considering how underwhelming it all was the first time around, I don't expect any fireworks to go off this time either. The writing is not there, and it's never going to be. The acting is not there either, though MR was once quite good when paired with MA. Also, the idea of romance is clearly dead on this show. It's a tawdry mess, and most of the people in charge of fixing it, are too close to the situation to figure how just what's wrong. Or maybe they are just incompetent. I wonder if they even watch any of these shows once they get them in the can? It doesn't seem like it. If they do, they obviously think very little of their viewers, or they have even less taste than any working writer, producer, and director should have and still get paid for it.

Also, though I find the idea of Dannifer 2.0 appalling and unwatchable, I, at least, know that this duo can not, and will not ever be able to equal the sheer magic of JnJ. TPTB can pimp it and prop it all they want to, but in reality it'll just be like watching two soulless, heartless, bloodless, emotionless mannequins going through the motions. There is this HUGe disconnect that DAYS has allowed to spring up between it's viewers and the characters on the screen. None of the characters are worth investing in. None of them are trustworthy from one episode to the next. Even fiction has to make sense. That's Writing 101. DAYS is no longer "must see" tv. It inspires more outrage than devotion. People want to be entertained, not spit on, and PO'd all the time. Is this really their idea of entertainment? REALLY?

ETA: I really hate that Matthew Ashford has been fired, again, but what I hate most is that his character is never allowed to leave on a high note. They always send him out on as low a note as possible, and with his tail stuck between his legs, usually. How is this doing Jennifer any favors? They tear Jack down to prop her up, when the simple thing to do is to just let Jack find love and happiness with someone else, and then let him cut Jennifer loose. Jennifer has had one fake happy ending after another. Let's give Jack his own happy ending, and let him leave town with a smile on his face, a song in his heart, and free of Jennifer's fickleness and whining, for once? Jennifer once loved Jack, and knew how to show it. This show is not about love, or romance anymore. It's about whatever they were going for when they put EJ and Taylor together. The tackiness of that was rather obvious, but they couldn't see that, and probably still don't. That same tacky scenario has been playing out among all of the couples on this show, IMO, if you'll just take a closer look. Heartless, thoughtless, empty, clueless, and cold as ice.

In any case, we fans know, AND WILL ALWAYS KNOW, how it was meant to be for JnJ, but for some reason TPTB won't let it be. And we, as fans, are not in any real position to change that. Our letters, and campaigns have made it clear what we want for 20 years now. It continues to fall on deaf ears, and the audience continues to grow smaller. They seem OK with that. Perhaps cancellation will make them ecstatic.
Edited by Harcourt, Jun 9 2012, 05:01 AM.
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isthmus


^ Totally agree with your description of Dannifer. I'm still shaking my head in disbelief that there may be Dannifer 2.0. It was just so embarassing the first time round.

I don't know why I am so mad as I have not been emotionally invested in this show since JnJ's first run (heck, now I only watch when MA is on so it's not often) but it still stings as it is spoiling that old magic for me (MR has really riled me up.)

I've already twittered TPTB to express my distain and will continue to do so but the whole situation is so fucked up. MA got shafted for Dannifer - so wrong!!
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lysie


I have another list of crappy things Tomlin did. Can't decide if it's worth it to do it on the weekend. I kind of don't think it matters. Either way, it's cathartic.
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DesignatedShelley
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I'm going to spend the weekend compiling a list and then unleash it starting Monday.
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lysie


By the way, I'm doing these "Remember when..." tweets because y'all aren't wrong. I mean, we haven't seen his new stuff yet. I'm trying to show that it's based on something.
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Kevin_Buchanan
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Won't mind Jennifer & Daniel. I think they're a pretty good couple! So sick and tired of going back to the past with Jack and Jennifer, when they get back together, they never have much of a storyline or written off. I want Matt Ashford(Jack) back, but rather they put Jack with Billie. I think Matt Ashford & Lisa Rinna had great chemistry together a few years back when they teased them as a couple.
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mellymet


I am thoroughly enjoying the #FireTomlin tweets. The man along with NBC will run this show into the ground. I hear he has a personal vendetta against certain people and that will 100% influence the stories he writes, who he writes for, and who he doesn't write for. The opinion of some is that NBC just wants the show to die and it will go out a mess. I will keep campaigning with all to get rid of Tomlin and even if the show is cancelled at least end on a high note.
Edited by mellymet, Jun 9 2012, 09:01 PM.
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NocturnalBlondie
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lysie
Jun 9 2012, 09:36 AM
By the way, I'm doing these "Remember when..." tweets because y'all aren't wrong. I mean, we haven't seen his new stuff yet. I'm trying to show that it's based on something.
I'm enjoying your tweets!
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leela46
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I know that Tomlin was Exec. Producer before and actually hasn't been HW since the early eighties. I'm still going to hope that he and Whitesell do a good job. Does anyone know what stories Tomlin was responsible for when he was HW in the past. Maybe this will give us an idea of the kind of stuff we'll be seeing from them. I must admit the rumors that Dannifer will be back together isn't giving me a warm, fuzzy feeling.
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ProphecyGirl


Tomlin was Executive Producer during Higley's reign (and it was admittedly awful in all of 2011, IMO).

Meng was Executive Producer during MarDar's crap.

Time for my Fire Meng campaign. It won't work, I know.
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ProphecyGirl
Jun 9 2012, 12:48 PM
Tomlin was Executive Producer during Higley's reign (and it was admittedly awful in all of 2011, IMO).

Meng was Executive Producer during MarDar's crap.

Time for my Fire Meng campaign. It won't work, I know.
Meng was already fired - early on in the reboot. I actually thought it was a mistake to fire Meng. He made the show look a lot better. Better lighting, interesting camera angles, etc. Maybe he was fired for going over budget?

I think NBC likes Tomlin, because he saves the show money. But at such a high cost!!! This shooting so far in advance is seriously killing the show.
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six
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Greg Meng hasn't been fired. You're thinking of Noel Maxam.
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AHM


Kevin_Buchanan
Jun 9 2012, 11:03 AM
When they get back together, they never have much of a storyline or written off. I want Matt Ashford(Jack) back, but rather they put Jack with Billie. I think Matt Ashford & Lisa Rinna had great chemistry together a few years back when they teased them as a couple.
But there was very good story potential that went unused for Jack and Jennifer this time that should have come before putting them back together---lots of angst and issues that the show never touched. At any rate, Dannifer is a bore either way and I don't see anything that sets them apart from any other run-of-the-mill pairing, so I just don't understand undercutting JnJ and their history for such a pairing. I think it mainly comes down to SC's apparent hotness.

At any rate, I don't think revisiting Dannifer will do much for ratings, and I think going back to that pairing is more about Tomlin's hubris. I don't like the sense I get that his agenda comes first. I don't like what Tomlin allowed with characterizations during his time as producer. I don't like how little he cares about the show's history. And I don't think Tomlin is willing to write for characters like Jack who are more difficult to use in what seems to be his interchangeable parts mentality

Also, I like the "remember when" tweets.
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ProphecyGirl
Jun 9 2012, 12:48 PM
Tomlin was Executive Producer during Higley's reign (and it was admittedly awful in all of 2011, IMO).

Meng was Executive Producer during MarDar's crap.

Time for my Fire Meng campaign. It won't work, I know.
I'm not sure what I think of Meng. I think if the reboot was Meng's vision, it was a very good idea. I think MarDar unfortunately came with it, and maybe it was also some NBC interference that helped make MarDar's stuff feel so disjointed and crappy. But I think going back to Tomlin is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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six
Jun 9 2012, 01:00 PM
Greg Meng hasn't been fired. You're thinking of Noel Maxam.
You're right. Thanks! LOL.
But I like Meng. He was the one that championed the re-boot idea, bringing back the vets, etc. I hope he wins the backstage power struggle. But what do I know? I'm just making wild inferences from interviews, etc.
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happy
Jun 9 2012, 12:57 PM
ProphecyGirl
Jun 9 2012, 12:48 PM
Tomlin was Executive Producer during Higley's reign (and it was admittedly awful in all of 2011, IMO).

Meng was Executive Producer during MarDar's crap.

Time for my Fire Meng campaign. It won't work, I know.
Meng was already fired - early on in the reboot. I actually thought it was a mistake to fire Meng. He made the show look a lot better. Better lighting, interesting camera angles, etc. Maybe he was fired for going over budget?

I think NBC likes Tomlin, because he saves the show money. But at such a high cost!!! This shooting so far in advance is seriously killing the show.
It was not Meng but Maxam who was fired early on. Meng is still EP and frankly, I'd rather see him stay in that position because he might be able to keep T&W 2 in check, at least partly. And he did go on tour and ask what fans wanted to see. His error was in choosing an inexperienced team like MarDar as headwriters. GT was a horrible EP who greenlighted DH's stuff and favored newbies over vets, and now, as HW, seems heavily invested in turning DAYS back to where it was last year and running the show like his personal fiefdom. I have no hope with him and Whitesell back in the drivers' seat. May their second tenure be far shorter than their first!
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DesignatedShelley
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I still think MarDar were well intentioned enough, they just were bad, they were not competent enough to be HW's. I think they sincerely wanted to use fan favorites again, even if they weren't going to center the show around Bope & Jarlena etc. They didn't always get the characters right, no, but I think they tried. I think they listened to the fans so much that they kept changing course every 3 months due to negative feedback. IOW, they didn't know how to use the negative feedback wisely, but they did note it and try to use it.

I think they were just incompetent above all, they didn't know how to give fans what they wanted or string a solid story together from A to Z. Their pacing was awful and they took on way too huge of a canvas. But I think better of Meng for hiring them and giving the reboot a chance than I think of anyone who hired Tomlin -- again.
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Agreed. I feel bad for MarDar. They appeared to be sincerely enthusiastic about Days and early on they brought an energy to the show that it hadn't had in years. Their inexperience and eagerness to please (and probably a lot of network interference) did them in.

The production values were a lot better and more up to date early on, too. IDK if that was because of Maxam, but if it was, it's too bad they let him go.
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Keith
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According to jason47 and Matt's lovely Un-SORASED thread, I was able to determined that the show had a mass exodus early in 1980 and several short-run headwriters leading into GT's first HW stint. It seems he was brought in as a co-headwriter to the Michelle LiSanti, who was brought in 10 episodes earlier than him and continues to serve as a staff writer according jason47's site. They both inherited a show that was largely unrecognizable thanks to the mass exits in 1980. They wrote together for exactly a year (10/20/80-10/20/81).

The Chandler takeover that may have been mentioned before had already begun. They inherited it. Stories they inherited in their first week include the crumbling of Don and Marlena's marriage, the Jessica Blake paternity story, Sunny Chisholm-Chandler's murder (Joshua Fallon's mother), the Lee/Doug/Julie triangle, the Tod Chandler/Cassie Burns/Jessica Blake triangle, the beginnings of the Neil/Liz love story, lots of angst. For all intents and purposes, their stories were decent, but moved too fast, but there were A LOT of triangles and musical beds. The show declined in numbers but showed in increase in ratings as far as ranking goes, dropping from 6's to 5 1980-1981 and jumping from static at 10 up to 9.

Renee was their creation. The popular Wesley Eure exited and had to be replaced as Mike. Lots of new characters, something that started before them but they continued. David Banning was brought back. Kellam's rape of Marlena followed by his murder and exit was them. The Marie/Alex/Mary Anderomn triangle was them. Maggie became a surrogate mother under them. We got a teenaged pre-KA Hope. Doug and Julie's second wedding. Don/Liz were an item, but Marlena/Don was still being teased. Jake Kositchek arrives in Salem. Alex Marshall was shot. Jessica's DID story. Their stories were a mixed bag, some popular, some not. It is difficult to tell, IMO, how that will pay out with stories today, but the stories he greenlit as co-EP don't give me much Hope, especially with PR/KA's seeming concern.
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