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I certainly am no fan of GT. The thing is, MarDar didn't have autonomy either. The same PTB who were either approving their stuff or mucking around with it (according to their claims) are the ones who are still in place. If they are the ones who allowed this current stuff to air (regardless of who wrote it or tweaked it or whatever) then I have absolutely no confidence that things will get better. None.
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Does anyone know if the stuff that is airing now was filmed before or after MarDar were fired? I guess it doesnt really matter, but I wonder what the last straw was? The ratings or crappy stories?
Before.
It had to be just after. It was a few days after MarDar were fired that the cast and crew were tweeting about filming memorials and sad scenes about Lexie. ETA: or happening at around the same time if we're talking about the things that are literally on tv this week, and not for the spoiled week. Date-wise what were seeing was filmed after MD were fired.
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Does anyone know if the stuff that is airing now was filmed before or after MarDar were fired? I guess it doesnt really matter, but I wonder what the last straw was? The ratings or crappy stories?
Before.
It had to be just after. It was a few days after MarDar were fired that the cast and crew were tweeting about filming memorials and sad scenes about Lexie. ETA: or happening at around the same time if we're talking about the things that are literally on tv this week, and not for the spoiled week. The stuff airing this week was likely filmed the week mardar was fired then they broke for Easter and next week's scenes wee filmed, but this is still very much mardar's stories.
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Yeah. I think we're right on top of their firing. Which is also why I think this stiffing is going to be scrapped or at least they're going to try. This is what TomSell wanted to make a dream.
I think some changes and minimization are a given whenever the writing staff changes. Does anyone know how long it takes from the head writer mapping out the week to the scripts being handed out? By the time this stuff airs, we should be a week into TomSell's take over. I would imagine they would have had the chance to start doing a bit of what they would consider damage control at that point. We do know they had some Kiriakis scenes inserted. I wonder if the Justin scenes that aired this week were among them.
IDK, but I know who we can ask.... Wait, we know someone with this information? Let me know what they say.
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Jun 19 2012, 08:08 PM
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I certainly am no fan of GT. The thing is, MarDar didn't have autonomy either. The same PTB who were either approving their stuff or mucking around with it (according to their claims) are the ones who are still in place. If they are the ones who allowed this current stuff to air (regardless of who wrote it or tweaked it or whatever) then I have absolutely no confidence that things will get better. None.
Exactly, Marlene said they wouldnt let her tell the stories she wanted to. So whatever those stories were, we got what we're seeing now instead. Whoever was approving story and direction before is still there. The dialog might improve a bit, but I'm not expecting big 180 degree direction changes. I'd really love to know who the man behind the curtain is. It used to be KC I think, but not for over a year now.
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MarDar's stories didn't start until four months after DH was fired (HTS opening was 9/26 and DH's firing was announced 5/19). However, their changes to wrap up and re-direct DH's stories started about three months after her firing. I assume we will see something similar here. Since MarDar's firing was announced on 4/4, TomSell's re-direction and wrapping up of current stories should start toward the beginning part of July and then their own stories will begin after the Olympics, so mid-August.
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Jun 19 2012, 08:13 PM
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I'm sure some of the current story line directions will be changed, but I don't think everything we're seeing is going to be thrown out. I believe NBC has been directing and approving story, but they were very unhappy with the pacing. That may be why we're getting what feels like such a rush job on some of them.
I'm not sure what I think they will do, but we do know that Tomlin wanted to make everything a dream...which leads me to believe it's all going to change as soon as he can make it work without doing a dream. It only took MarDar a month to do that.
I believe Tomlin's intent may have been to wipe everything out and go back to stories which he likes, but NBC has their own ideas. I guess we'll soon see who prevailed.
It's definitely possible. I just have a hard time believing they'd bring him back in the first place if they didn't already have similar ideas. I could see them turning down a dream idea, because those are widely mocked. I think it's just a matter of time before we're smack dab back in the middle of early 2011. And in case anyone is confused, I don't think that's a good thing. He runs / writes a tight ship budget wise.
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Before.
It had to be just after. It was a few days after MarDar were fired that the cast and crew were tweeting about filming memorials and sad scenes about Lexie. ETA: or happening at around the same time if we're talking about the things that are literally on tv this week, and not for the spoiled week.
The stuff airing this week was likely filmed the week mardar was fired then they broke for Easter and next week's scenes wee filmed, but this is still very much mardar's stories. Oh of course (on this being MarDar's stuff). I was focusing on the point of whether or not they were employed by now.
Just looked back at Mar's tweet saying NBC kept stopping them and changing direction. It's pretty clear that someone kept stopping the stories. For the first few months, everything was pointing one way and then everything changed. I have no problem believing NBC was behind MarDar suddenly going every which way.
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I'm not sure things can get much worse. I know the writers before MarDar were bad and a LOT of the storylines sucked ass. But at least I could follow them, for the most part. Even if I didn't agree with a lot of it, it at least made sense (well as much sense as some of those stories COULD make). The stuff we are seeing right now makes ABSOLUTELY no sense at all. I'm having trouble just following some of the stories and the characters are doing things that are so out of character and wishy washy that I'm getting whip-lash. I doubt things are going to get any better, but I really can't imagine them much worse. I have to give a small amount of credit to MarDar for Will's storyline because I have enjoyed most of it, but I think they just got lucky and were so hesitant to move too fast with it and that helped. I know a lot of people are saying that the new regime will be worse and that may be true...but after reading the spoilers today I'm ready for the new stuff. I just can't take this MarDar crap any longer.
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Before.
It had to be just after. It was a few days after MarDar were fired that the cast and crew were tweeting about filming memorials and sad scenes about Lexie. ETA: or happening at around the same time if we're talking about the things that are literally on tv this week, and not for the spoiled week.
The stuff airing this week was likely filmed the week mardar was fired then they broke for Easter and next week's scenes wee filmed, but this is still very much mardar's stories. Also, keep in mind that MarDar might have been canned much earlier than when the actual announcement was made to the public. It's also possible that Tomlin was already sketching out things ("plotting") prior to that -- in unofficial consultations with Bruce Evans, Sr VP at NBC.
I'm not disagreeing that we're still seeing MarDar's stuff and will continue to do so for a while. Just pointing out that official dates and actual dates don't always line up. It's highly unlikely that this regime change happened overnight.
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I believe Tomlin's intent may have been to wipe everything out and go back to stories which he likes, but NBC has their own ideas. I guess we'll soon see who prevailed.
It's definitely possible. I just have a hard time believing they'd bring him back in the first place if they didn't already have similar ideas. I could see them turning down a dream idea, because those are widely mocked. I think it's just a matter of time before we're smack dab back in the middle of early 2011. And in case anyone is confused, I don't think that's a good thing.
He runs / writes a tight ship budget wise. But that's not his job this time around
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I wonder if Nicole loses the baby and somehow kidnaps Carrie and steals her baby. Maybe Nicole is using Dic sex to seduce-blackmail Dan into doing her bidding.
I rather her miscarry then to have then to have her steal a baby, been there, done that :shame:
Well, having her miscarry was also been there done that ;) It's rediculous that Nicole is pregnant in the first place. It's even more rediculous that she's high risk and running around screwing doctors and breaking and entering.
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It had to be just after. It was a few days after MarDar were fired that the cast and crew were tweeting about filming memorials and sad scenes about Lexie. ETA: or happening at around the same time if we're talking about the things that are literally on tv this week, and not for the spoiled week.
The stuff airing this week was likely filmed the week mardar was fired then they broke for Easter and next week's scenes wee filmed, but this is still very much mardar's stories.
Also, keep in mind that MarDar might have been canned much earlier than when the actual announcement was made to the public. It's also possible that Tomlin was already sketching out things ("plotting") prior to that -- in unofficial consultations with Bruce Evans, Sr VP at NBC. I'm not disagreeing that we're still seeing MarDar's stuff and will continue to do so for a while. Just pointing out that official dates and actual dates don't always line up. It's highly unlikely that this regime change happened overnight. I agree but I don't think that they rewrote a certain number of epis the way mardar did. We heard of inserted/rewritten to fit Justin and Adrienne somewhere in there, we've seen the cut Ian walking stick spoiler and I suspect others. I have reason to believe that was tomsells edits. We know that what we are seeing now is mardar's work even if they got canned even before we heard. I think that by mid July we should see a more clear direction and that IMHO is when we can credit tomsells more. However I still don't get why it's do inconceivable to think that maybe when tomsell came they ended all storylines and shifted gears. It's what normally happens in a writing change, look at what happened when Tomlin/dena got canned and mardar took over. That is exactly what occured.
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I wonder if Nicole loses the baby and somehow kidnaps Carrie and steals her baby. Maybe Nicole is using Dic sex to seduce-blackmail Dan into doing her bidding.
I rather her miscarry then to have then to have her steal a baby, been there, done that :shame:
Well, having her miscarry was also been there done that ;)
It's rediculous that Nicole is pregnant in the first place. It's even more rediculous that she's high risk and running around screwing doctors and breaking and entering. Nicole's problem was never conceiving it was carrying to term
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It's definitely possible. I just have a hard time believing they'd bring him back in the first place if they didn't already have similar ideas. I could see them turning down a dream idea, because those are widely mocked. I think it's just a matter of time before we're smack dab back in the middle of early 2011. And in case anyone is confused, I don't think that's a good thing.
He runs / writes a tight ship budget wise.
But that's not his job this time around Maintaining a budget is the job of everyone who works on the show. A lot of money can be saved by the way they write. MarDar wrote expensive stories.
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Another thing about the Nicole and Daniel debacle. Not only do I not believe that Nicole would risk her pregnancy this way, but for Daniel to have sex with her after he himself told her that shouldn't be under any stress. That any stress could harm the pregnancy. So he doesn't think this might stress her just a little? She's pregnant with EJ's baby and even though she's pissed at him she still loves him (or so I thought). I guess Daniel is not thinking about any ramifications this may have on her afterwards. Not counting the actual sex, I would think this may cause some stress in and of itself. But then Daniel is an idiot, so what am I saying?
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Well, having her miscarry was also been there done that ;)
It's rediculous that Nicole is pregnant in the first place. It's even more rediculous that she's high risk and running around screwing doctors and breaking and entering.
Nicole's problem was never conceiving it was carrying to term I thought after she lost the baby they told her she could not get pregnant again, that it was impossible. :shrug: But I don't quite remember.
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The stuff airing this week was likely filmed the week mardar was fired then they broke for Easter and next week's scenes wee filmed, but this is still very much mardar's stories.
Also, keep in mind that MarDar might have been canned much earlier than when the actual announcement was made to the public. It's also possible that Tomlin was already sketching out things ("plotting") prior to that -- in unofficial consultations with Bruce Evans, Sr VP at NBC. I'm not disagreeing that we're still seeing MarDar's stuff and will continue to do so for a while. Just pointing out that official dates and actual dates don't always line up. It's highly unlikely that this regime change happened overnight.
I agree but I don't think that they rewrote a certain number of epis the way mardar did. We heard of inserted/rewritten to fit Justin and Adrienne somewhere in there, we've seen the cut Ian walking stick spoiler and I suspect others. I have reason to believe that was tomsells edits. We know that what we are seeing now is mardar's work even if they got canned even before we heard. I think that by mid July we should see a more clear direction and that IMHO is when we can credit tomsells more. However I still don't get why it's do inconceivable to think that maybe when tomsell came they ended all storylines and shifted gears. It's what normally happens in a writing change, look at what happened when Tomlin/dena got canned and mardar took over. That is exactly what occured. Is not inconceivable, and they might. I don't thing it's a good idea to give the audience whiplash again. I'm still expecting a few more firings too.
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Another thing about the Nicole and Daniel debacle. Not only do I not believe that Nicole would risk her pregnancy this way, but for Daniel to have sex with her after he himself told her that shouldn't be under any stress. That any stress could harm the pregnancy. So he doesn't think this might stress her just a little? She's pregnant with EJ's baby and even though she's pissed at him she still loves him (or so I thought). I guess Daniel is not thinking about any ramifications this may have on her afterwards. Not counting the actual sex, I would think this may cause some stress in and of itself. But then Daniel is an idiot, so what am I saying? I can't believe they are going there. It's reprehensae.
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The stuff airing this week was likely filmed the week mardar was fired then they broke for Easter and next week's scenes wee filmed, but this is still very much mardar's stories.
Also, keep in mind that MarDar might have been canned much earlier than when the actual announcement was made to the public. It's also possible that Tomlin was already sketching out things ("plotting") prior to that -- in unofficial consultations with Bruce Evans, Sr VP at NBC. I'm not disagreeing that we're still seeing MarDar's stuff and will continue to do so for a while. Just pointing out that official dates and actual dates don't always line up. It's highly unlikely that this regime change happened overnight.
I agree but I don't think that they rewrote a certain number of epis the way mardar did. We heard of inserted/rewritten to fit Justin and Adrienne somewhere in there, we've seen the cut Ian walking stick spoiler and I suspect others. I have reason to believe that was tomsells edits. We know that what we are seeing now is mardar's work even if they got canned even before we heard. I think that by mid July we should see a more clear direction and that IMHO is when we can credit tomsells more. However I still don't get why it's do inconceivable to think that maybe when tomsell came they ended all storylines and shifted gears. It's what normally happens in a writing change, look at what happened when Tomlin/dena got canned and mardar took over. That is exactly what occured. When MarDar came on board, I think they were subject to the whims of a number of people, each of whom wanted to impose their story ideas, right up until the time they were let go. The BTS infighting for control of the show absolutely affected the writing.
The difference now, I believe, is that NBC has taken firm control, and will make the story line decisions. Tomlin does not have autonomy, IMO. Whether that is good or bad for the show remains to be seen.
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